1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Whilst you're getting ready to hear a little something from 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: my radio show. I just wanted to share something which 3 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: I've been very proud of the last couple of months. 4 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: You've probably heard me on the show talk about this 5 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,239 Speaker 1: new podcast called The Stuff of Legends. I've had some 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: amazing guests like Ricky Gervase, Celeste Barber, Russell Brand. Today, 7 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: I want to share a special bonus with you. It's 8 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: the final episode of the current series, and my guest 9 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: is Matthew McConaughey. And if you like what you're hear, 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: and you want to hear Ricky Gervas or Russell Brand 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: or Will Anderson or Celese. Barber and actually play list 12 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: are free. Just search for Stuff of Legends in your 13 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: podcasting app. I hope you enjoy. I'm lucky enough to 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: have conversations with so many interesting people from all over 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: the world, and my favorite ones are when they share 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: something about themselves that's real, honest and revealing. And I 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: think that the objects of our lives have so much 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: meaning you to stop and think about them, and that's 19 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: what the show is about. I've asked some of the 20 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: world's funniest and most interesting people to choose three of 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: their most treasured objects and share the stories behind them, 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: stories you've never heard before. 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: We love a good yarn and a good story and 24 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: get passed down, you know we. I grew up in 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: a family that that's what we did at dinner, and 26 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: all of us were pretty good storytellers. So you had 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: to work your butt off to get in there, and 28 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: once you were in you better pull it off well 29 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: because if you started to fumble the ball in the story, 30 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: somebody took it over from you, you know what I mean. 31 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 3: So it was hard to get a word in Edgeway, 32 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: so you had to be a good one. 33 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: I'm Christian O'Connell and this is the stuff of legends, 34 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: and today what a treat for us. 35 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 4: Matthew McConaughey, I am Matthew David McConaughey born in nineteen 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 4: sixty nine, November fourth, I got just the very end 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 4: of a really really vit ol decade. 38 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Matthew doesn't really need on introduction, but let's just 39 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: remind ourselves. Hugely successful, versatile actor made his start making 40 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: a lot of romantic comedies, then suddenly becomes a very 41 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: serious Oscar winning dramatic actor. He's a philanthropist, a very 42 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: devoted dad, and even a college professor, and he's written 43 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: an amazing book called Green Lights, where he's really doing 44 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: the thing he does best. 45 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 3: I am a storyteller, that is what I am. 46 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: I tell stories from behind the camera, in front of 47 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: the camera, and doing my best to tell a great 48 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: story in the big show cold life. 49 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what he's doing. When you listen to 50 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: Matthew speak to stories he tells, they really draw you in. 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: And the book is full of these incredible, wild experiences, 52 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: but he writes them like he's been doing it forever. 53 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: Maybe that's because he has as his first item shows. 54 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 3: All right, so look, this is an easy one. 55 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: But it would be that treasure chest of diaries that 56 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: I've been keeping for thirty six years that led me 57 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: to writing this book. That has always been one one 58 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: of the things where I said, look, you know, besides 59 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: the dog, besides the pets, the house burns down, get 60 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: that treasure chest full of diaries. 61 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: I've had them all. 62 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: They're in ziplock bags in case I was somewhere where 63 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 2: it flooded or what have you. And I've always taken 64 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: them with me and had them next to my desk, 65 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 2: you know, just because I knew those were of the 66 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 2: most import of me. 67 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: There were so many things in there that I would forget. 68 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 2: They were in my first handwriting, and I'm you know, 69 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: I've always shotted those things down. Nowadays, when I write 70 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: things down, I'm doing it on my phone, and I 71 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 2: have to tell people all the time at a dinner party 72 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: or something, I said, I'm not being rude. I'm not 73 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: talking to anyone else here. I'm actually writing something down 74 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: that we just said. As soon as I'm done here, 75 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna hand it to you and ask you if 76 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: you said that, if you can sign it. So I 77 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: write to myself still to this day, seventy percent of 78 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: the time I'm using my phone, but those diaries, because 79 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: you know, I noticed I've been curious about the same 80 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: things today at fifty that I was curious about at fourteen. 81 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: It's not my I was so surprised because I thought, 82 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: I mean, I was much more awkward about how I 83 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: went about trying to figure out things back then, and 84 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: I was really asking the existential questions of who, what, where, when, 85 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: why about everything? And I've answered a lot of those questions. 86 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: I don't have any less questions, but to see how 87 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: I've been the same things that kept me up, or 88 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: what woke me up at two in the morning to 89 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: write down, or something that in life that happened that 90 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 2: was peculiar to me. To see how those were very 91 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 2: similar than to what they are now was very surprising 92 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: to me. So the diaries would be that the items 93 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: that trust chest you. 94 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: Try to get the quality of our questions determines a 95 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: lot of the quality of our life. Life we should 96 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: see is one continuous conversation that we're having with ourselves 97 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: and with nature in the universe about what is going on? 98 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: Who are we? What is this? 99 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: What are we doing here? Man? 100 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: I mean, what better mystery? Yeah, to investigate then what 101 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 2: the heck are we doing here? And who are we 102 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 2: in it? 103 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: You know that? 104 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: I think that's forever entertaining. It's not always easy. I 105 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 2: talked about that a lot in the book. I actually 106 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: enjoy solitude, but not only not because I'm always having 107 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 2: a great time in it. I've had a lot of 108 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 2: solitude moments where I cannot stand the company me. Yeah, 109 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 2: and I've just tried to learn, hey, don't pull the 110 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: parachute yet. If you're not enjoying your company right now. 111 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: There's a good reason you will get to where you 112 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 2: do enjoy the company. 113 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: But stay here. 114 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 2: Don't go to the easy things of entertainment or call 115 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: a friend, these outs that you can get to get 116 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 2: your mind off of it. Don't go grab the bottle, 117 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Sit in the discomfort. You'll 118 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 2: come out the other side and you'll be like, ah, Okay, 119 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: I finally shook hands with the one person I can't 120 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 2: get rid of me. 121 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 3: Glad we're getting along. Let's do this. 122 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: That's so true, Mathe. You're right. Sometimes it's so hard 123 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: for us to become a friend to ourselves, to actually 124 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: sit opposite ourselves and like what we see, all parts 125 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: of it, the shadowy parts to barts we don't like 126 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 1: to admit or share with the world. Yay, most of 127 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: us avoid that, don't we with our phones or pornography, 128 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: booze whatever. 129 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: Sometimes it is too much and you just don't want 130 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 2: to You want to escape it, you want to face it. 131 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: But what I've noticed is that those ugly sides of 132 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: ourselves they're gonna bubble up somewhere down the line, and 133 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 2: usually in a very awkward way. 134 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 3: That you really end up regretting and going, oh, geez, 135 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: I really wish i'd handled that. I really wish I 136 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: would have handled that. 137 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: And when I was on my own, when I had 138 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: the walls padded and had a helmet on and a mouthpark. 139 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, bad wolves come out that night. 140 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: Come on, they're coming out, you know. 141 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: And why did you start, first of all a very 142 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: young age, to do what Roman leaders did, where they 143 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: would make journals to try and make sense of it 144 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: or get it all on paper. I think there was 145 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: one epistis or somebody said that all war belongs on page, 146 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: the act of getting it from here onto a page. 147 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: But at a very young age you started to do that. 148 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: Why do you think that was well? 149 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: I think early on I was going to my journals. 150 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: The main reason most people go to a diary or 151 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 2: a journal, the times of confusion, times of sadness. Oh 152 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: you know, Gretchen broke up with me. My heart hurt, 153 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: some crying, what happened? Why do I got pimples on 154 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: my face? What's going on now? But bye bye bye, 155 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 2: bye bye bye. Then in my early twenties, I remember 156 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: when going through the diaries, all of a sudden I 157 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: started writing a lot of things down when things were 158 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: going well, when I actually was catching green lights in life, 159 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: when my relationships were well, I was making grades at school, 160 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: I had a job at to money in my pocket, 161 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: I was kind of rolling. And I remember thinking at 162 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: that time, and I even wrote my diary about it. 163 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: I was like, make sure you're dissecting the times when 164 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: you feel like you're succeeding, Matthew, because we're so often 165 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: taught to dissect failure, Well, why not dissect the success. 166 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 2: And I'm remember writing, maybe you'll be able to look 167 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: back at these when you're failing again later in life, 168 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: or you're in a rut, or you hadn't found your frequency, 169 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: and maybe they can help you. 170 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 3: And Dan sure if they did. 171 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: I mean at times when I look back when I 172 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: would get in a rut, which we all eventually will 173 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 2: and do again and again and again. And I was 174 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: able to look back at times when I was having 175 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: more joy and satisfaction in my life, and I was 176 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 2: able to see, oh, here's some habits you were falling, 177 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: here's you were hanging out with, here's where you were going, 178 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 2: here's what you were drinking, here's what I'm sleepier getting 179 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: here's what you were doing to start your day. And 180 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: I noticed, oh, some of those habits, you don't You've 181 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: gotten complacent with those, you don't follow those anymore. Maybe 182 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: if I start practicing those, I can recalibrate and get 183 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: back on my frequency. And they helped become a roadmap 184 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: to get back on my frequency at times when I 185 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: was off it. 186 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: Because success leaves clues, doesn't. 187 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: It sure does, just as failure does. 188 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: And I think we're just you know, taught to usually 189 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 2: go into introspection right in our journal or diary when 190 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: we're lost, when we're not found, when we're off our frequency, 191 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 2: when we're clumsy, when we can't figure shit out, And 192 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: that's a good reason to go. 193 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 3: But also go there when you when you're like when. 194 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: I'm on it right now, things are working. Me and 195 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: the world are in a great dance right now, and 196 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: I'm giving it out and I'm receiving it. Every line 197 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: I'm walking into the supermarket, it looked like the longest woe, 198 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: but it was the fastest line in the checkout, you 199 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: know what I mean, I'm catching them, you know, So 200 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: what are those things when your timing's on with the world, 201 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 2: where you're getting a recipricious response that you're giving out 202 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: from the world. 203 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: Go write those things down. 204 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: As well, because we tell ourselves what I at least 205 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 2: know I do many times. Oh, things are going great, 206 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: this is the mean, this is obviously I'll never forget 207 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: this because this is who I am, this is the 208 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: ultimate me, and I'll never forget this. 209 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: I don't need to write this down. 210 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 2: Well, bullshit, yes you do, because you will forget and 211 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: you will, and then you know times are going good. 212 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 3: You think they're gonna last forever. No they don't. You 213 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: do get to run again and you're like where to go? 214 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: You know, and you can if you write it down 215 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 2: and got a few things down, you can have some 216 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 2: things that can help nudge you back on the right track. 217 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: And tell me about the journals. What are they not is? 218 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: Are they just cheap notebooks or do you always get 219 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: the same type and just fill them up and then 220 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: fill up another one. 221 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: They're all different kind of notebooks. The ones that I 222 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: like the most, I like a good paper stock. They 223 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: don't have to be very big because I write very small, 224 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: but they're usually leatherbound. It doesn't really matter which kind 225 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 2: of leather bound. I just want one that, for instance, 226 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: I don't like one. You know, you open some of 227 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 2: those books that they're bound here where they won't stay 228 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: open and it's hard to get to write and hit 229 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: this part. 230 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 3: You want something that's gonna but you. 231 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: Can lay flat and going to give you full access 232 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: to the entire page. 233 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: It's not going to pinch up like that. So that's 234 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 3: very important. 235 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: No, I get I'm the same because you want to 236 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: feel like, well, this is how Hemingway, Picasso. They would 237 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: have had this kind of note, but they weren't getting 238 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: all folded up in the midway through some important point 239 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: or essay or picture, were they? 240 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: I hope not? Not the way I see. I'm with 241 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: you on that. 242 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 243 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 3: I started off before journals. 244 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 2: It was, you know, twenty percent, twenty five percent of 245 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 2: my journals was bags and bags full of beer coasters, napkins, 246 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: a picture I took of something I wrote on my 247 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: arm when I was out and didn't have my journal 248 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: on me, a match box, anything I could write on, 249 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: or i'd write on a you go out to eat 250 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 2: and I would write on the table and then just 251 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,839 Speaker 2: to have a picture of what I'd written on the 252 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 2: t and then take a picture that printed out. 253 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 3: Put it in my stack of diaries. 254 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: I love that. I'm Christian O'Connell and this is the 255 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: stuff of legends today with Matthew McConaughey. So we've seen 256 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: how this love of storytelling began. Let's find out his 257 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: next most treasured item. 258 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: Next item the book The Greatest Salesman in the World. 259 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: Oh wow, tell us about what that means to you. 260 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: Well, this is a book that found me. I've never 261 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: been a big reader. 262 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: And I was at the end of my sophomore year 263 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 2: in college, and I was headed towards law school. And 264 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: for about four months leading up to this moment, I 265 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: was not sleeping so well with the idea of law school, 266 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: the idea that oh, I graduate, then I go to 267 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: three or four more years of law school, I get out. 268 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: I'm actually don't have a job or putting my mark 269 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: in the world until I'm in my thirties. 270 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: I really don't want to spend my twenties learning only learning. 271 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: And I had been writing a lot and writing and 272 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: shared some short stories with the friend of mine as 273 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 2: writers like these are good. 274 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 3: So well, I want to go to film school. 275 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: But I didn't have the courage to even believe it 276 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: myself much less calm my dad and asked to do so. 277 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 2: I went to I was going to my final exams 278 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 2: that year. 279 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 3: In my sophomore year, I'm at. 280 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: A buddy's house and I've got three hours before my class, 281 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 2: and I was a study bug. 282 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 3: I had three point eight two GPA out of four. 283 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: I made a's and I would use all the time 284 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: I could study and wouldn't spare a minute. 285 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 3: For whatever reason. This day, after. 286 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: I open up my books to study, I'm like, you 287 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: got this, McConney, don't study anymore. 288 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: You got it? 289 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 2: Never done that before remote control. I turn on the TV, 290 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: turn on the ESPN. I'll watch any sports in the world. 291 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I'll watched the Strongest Man competition. I watched 292 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 2: freaking Ping Pong championships. I love sports. I am a 293 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 2: cricket fan. 294 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: By the way. 295 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: I've gone through. There's a great game on. It's even 296 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: one of my teams was playing baseball. Whatever reason I'm 297 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: bors can be. I turned the thing off. 298 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, huh. 299 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: I look over this stack next to me of magazines, sports, 300 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: illustrated Playboys another thing I like. I pick up playboys. 301 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: Now I found what I want to do how I'm 302 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: going to pass the time I'm flipping through I get 303 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: bored of that for a minute. Now I'm like, wait 304 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: a minute, keep digging down through the magazines, and seven 305 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 2: deep in the magazine stack was this white paperback book 306 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: with Red Curser writing that said the Greatest Salesman in 307 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: the World. And I remember saying to myself as I 308 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: reached in grab and I said, who is that? I 309 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: pick it up and I start reading. I spent the 310 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 2: next two hours reading all the way up to the 311 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 2: very first scroll, and it had told me, basically, the 312 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 2: greatest salesman in the world is whoever's reading this book. 313 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: And this book's gonna teach you how to be the 314 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 2: greatest salesman the world. 315 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: And you're going to read. 316 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: These ten scrolls, scroll one three times a day for 317 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: thirty days before you move to scroll two, scroll two 318 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: three times day thirty days two you move to scroll three. 319 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: So it takes ten months to read. Well, of a sudden, 320 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: I just felt this energy. This book found me for 321 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: a reason. Yeah, I looked up tim minutes before my exam, 322 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: I said, can I can I borrow this book? My 323 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: buddy woke up and goes man, you can have that book. 324 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 2: My dad gave it to me. It's a great book. 325 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: I took the book, went into my exam, ripped through it. 326 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: I think I failed it just because I went through 327 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: it so fast, because I was so sure, No, I'm 328 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 2: going to go to film school. I'm gonna have the 329 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 2: courage to call my dad and ask him if I 330 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: can go to film school. And that night I went 331 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: home because I had that book and found me whatever 332 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: it did, it was something special. 333 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: I felt it was a sign. 334 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: Called my dad to ask if I go to film school, 335 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: thinking he might say you want to do? 336 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: What done? 337 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 2: And instead he told me three of the greatest words 338 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: he's ever told me. He said, well, if that's what 339 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: you want to do, I suggests, sirre he goes, don't. 340 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: Half ass it. And I was like, oh yes, and 341 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: so here I am. 342 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: What a great thing. Just those three words. And in 343 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 1: that moment, you calling your dad, You're stepping up to life, 344 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: aren't you standing up in yourself? In those moments, that's 345 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: when you become a man. Isn't it you work out 346 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: this is actually who I am now, not your expectation 347 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: of me. Dad. 348 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 2: You know I've noticed that is a consistency for children 349 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: in general with their parents and in the world that 350 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: we live in. Our parents give us a formation, The 351 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 2: government gives us a formation. Laws and regulations give us 352 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: a formation. Hey, stay in the lines here, follow these rules, 353 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 2: and there's an initiation to. 354 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 3: Get out of it. 355 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: But if you get out of it and you really 356 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 2: mean it, and you're like, I'm not asking permission, this 357 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 2: is what I'm doing, all of a sudden, the world 358 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: or your parent goes. 359 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 3: There, we go. That's what I was hoping you do. 360 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 2: I was waiting my dad in that phone call, telling 361 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: him I want to go to film school, when I 362 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: thought he was not going to like the idea at all. 363 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: Without saying it, I know he was happy on the 364 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 2: other end, going my son just said, he's going his 365 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: own way. 366 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: Yes, that's it, job done. He was. 367 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: He was proud of me being a rebel at that point. 368 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: Do you ever go back to the book if you 369 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: still got a copying out? Yeah? 370 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 3: I owned many copies of that book. 371 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, my original copies are taped up because I carried 372 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: him everywhere. They've been rained on, they've been stomped on, 373 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 2: I had been eaten by dogs and everything else. My 374 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: original copy is in about four ziplocks held at home 375 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 2: in the safe and then I have subsequent copies that 376 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: I've gotten that are pretty weathered but still kind of readable. 377 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: I love that it means stole that much to you. 378 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: It's in the safe well. 379 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: And like I said, I'm not a big readers. There's 380 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: something about it. 381 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 3: You know. 382 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 2: It's different if somebody would have given it to me 383 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 2: you should read this book, or different if the teacher says, hey, 384 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: go do your homework. This was something that after I 385 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 2: said I don't want to study, I don't want to 386 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: watch sports or look at naked ladies. It was down 387 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: there hiding And why did that grab my attention at 388 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: that moment? And I'm not even a big reader at all, 389 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: And I go great, at salesman in the world, who's dad? 390 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 3: And then read enough to go, oh, it's the reader. 391 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 3: Let's see what this is. This sounds like an adventure. Oh, 392 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 3: let's go. 393 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: And then what's your next object. 394 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 3: There's a ring my dad gave me that he wore. 395 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: He didn't give it to me, he wore it until 396 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: he moved on from this life. And it's a gold 397 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: ring and he's got a big m engraved in it 398 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 2: for McConaughey, and it was a meltdown of my mom 399 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 2: and dad's clash rings from the University of Kentucky. 400 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: And gold on my mom's teeth. 401 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: Wow, that surprized possession one that he wore it. 402 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: To, what it's made of, and where'd you keep it? 403 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 3: That's in safe as well. 404 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: That's a lot in that safe. I mean, I hope 405 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: it's guarded. 406 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 2: There's actually not much more in that safe. I gotn't 407 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: cash in that safe and a gun. But other than that, 408 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: there's that ring, and there's a few, you know, silver 409 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 2: dollars some friends gave me. But other than that, not 410 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 2: a lot of jewelry. Just really that ring in that 411 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 2: original paperback, great salesman. 412 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: So the ring. Did you don't give you that before 413 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: he passed away? Will you give them that afterwards? Because 414 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: obviously your two older brothers. 415 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 3: I was given that afterwards. 416 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: I did mom give it to you or Mom gave 417 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: it to me? 418 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And we all sat around with all the dad 419 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,199 Speaker 2: stuff and the family agreed that that should be mine. 420 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: It's amazing. In the book, I still get the feeling 421 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: that you have a very strong relationship with your dad, 422 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: even though he's not here on this physical plane, but 423 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: he still has a big presence in your life, doesn't he. 424 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 3: I hope. 425 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 2: So I think I could do better at maintaining that relationship. 426 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 3: I try to. It's where just keep living. 427 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: The model just keep living came from and that came 428 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: to me, you know, five days after he moved on, 429 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: where I realized, Oh, physically. 430 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 3: He's not here, but you can keep his spirit alive. 431 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 2: You can keep the values that he initiated in you 432 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 2: that he wanted you to learn, even in those times 433 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: when you find out the message was different than the messenger, 434 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, which we all find out, 435 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: and even things that I was like, Oh, he maybe 436 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: didn't follow through on. 437 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: Those, but he taught them to me for a reason. 438 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: Oh, I can keep those alive and integrate them into 439 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 2: my life and be active with those even though he's 440 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 2: no longer here. And actually I need to do it 441 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 2: more so now because he's gone and I can't rely 442 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 2: on him to have my back to get me back 443 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: in line. He'd loved this job, this career. I have 444 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 2: loved reading a script. He would love talking to me 445 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 2: about a character. He will love breaking down movies. You know, 446 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 2: I didn't know we had any artistic bones in our 447 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: body as a family. But then after my father passed away, 448 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 2: we go in the attic and find all this beautiful 449 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 2: pottery and these an easel and these paintings and drawings, 450 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: like what are these? My mom says, Oh, that's your dad. 451 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 2: He used to do that in the garage after y'all 452 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 2: go to bed. Really, I did not know that, never 453 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 2: knew it, never knew it. 454 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: That's incredible. So part much of him was hidden away. 455 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: And have you told your kids? Have you got the 456 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: ring out from your dad? Have you told your kids 457 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: about that what it means to you? 458 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 3: Yes? 459 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: I have shown the kids, and you know, obviously the 460 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 2: part that they being as young as they are, the 461 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: part they got the biggest kickout of was that that's 462 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: gold from their grandmother's teeth. 463 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: That's kids, right. 464 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 3: Yeah. 465 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, listen, Matthew. I love the movie Dazed 466 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: and Confused. And then when I'm reading your book, I 467 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: always wondered, how did you get into this movie? 468 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 2: On you? 469 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: It was your first role. And then I read the 470 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: book and I found out that before that the work 471 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: you were getting was a hand model and it looked 472 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 1: like you were going to have a grot and they 473 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: are beautiful hands. I mean, look at them. Those are 474 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: the greatest hands I've ever seen. Can I just say 475 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: that time? And then please just tell us one last 476 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,239 Speaker 1: story about how you got the role and came up 477 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: with the three words to change your life? Really? 478 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, So here we go. 479 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 2: I go take my girlfriend at the time out to 480 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 2: this bar at the top of the high at in Austin, Texas. 481 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 2: The reason I go to this bar is because the 482 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 2: bartender was in film class with me and he would 483 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: give me free drinks. 484 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 3: So I go in there order a drink and he comes. 485 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 2: This guy comes on and goes, hey, there's a guy 486 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: at the bar and down he's producing a movie. 487 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 3: And I said, oh cool, I look down there. I 488 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 3: go down and introduce myself. 489 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: Name is Don Phillips, Don Phillips and I and get 490 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 2: to have and vacca donks and Don's telling stories and 491 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 2: he's a golfer and I'm a golfer. 492 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 3: And he you ever played this course? 493 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: Yeah? 494 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: I played this guy. What'd you hit on your second shout? 495 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: I hit a seven? 496 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: You hit at seven and you did not? No way, 497 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: You're not that long? Yeah, man, I am Wow. Anyway, 498 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 2: we get roud. He get kicked out of the bar, 499 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 2: mainly because he's being so loud and we have no 500 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 2: interest in me kicked out of the bar because I 501 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: was getting lilliled with him and having a great time. 502 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 3: Got to four hours later, We're. 503 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 2: Now kicked out of the bar and I'm in a cab. 504 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 2: He's riding the cab with me all the way home. 505 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: He's gonna drop me off and then catch a cab 506 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: back to his hotel. All the way he's like, you 507 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 2: ever done any acting? And I said, joos, I mean 508 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: a little bit. I was in a middle LIGHTE commercial 509 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 2: for button that long, and you know it was a 510 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: hand model. He goes, Hi, well, you might be right 511 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: for this part. It's this older guy is still hanging 512 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: around high school. He likes the high school chicks, but 513 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: he's like twenty one to twenty two. Come to this 514 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: address tomorrow morning, pick up the script. I show up 515 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 2: the next morning, which was about five hours later, nine thirty. 516 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 2: There's the script waiting for me. Handwritten note from Don Phillips. 517 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: Three scenes marked, three scenes, three lines. I go work 518 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: on those three scenes and three lines for two weeks. 519 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 2: I come back, I read I get the audition. 520 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: Now I got the part. 521 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: Wow, this is. 522 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 3: Gonna be fun. 523 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: Before you go to work on a film, you have 524 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: to do it's called a makeup of a hair and 525 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 2: a wardrobe test. Mean, you go to the set, they 526 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: do your hair, makeup, wardrobe. The director comes over and 527 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: looks at you and sees if he approves. I was 528 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: not supposed to work this night. I was only on 529 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 2: set to get that makeup, hair and wardrobe test. In 530 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: the break, the director, Richard Lincolner comes up to me 531 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: and he looks at me. He's like, ah, yeah, great, 532 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 2: this is Woterson. This is great, like the hair man, 533 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: the peach pants. 534 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: This is cool. I'm like, cool, cool, cool. 535 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 2: As I'm about to say see you later, because I 536 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 2: think my first day of work was the next week, 537 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: he goes, hey, wait a minute, He goes, you know, 538 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 2: Waterson's a. 539 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 3: Kind of guy. He's probably been with all the typical 540 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: hot chicks. It's cool. 541 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 2: Do you think he'd have any interest in the red 542 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 2: headed intellectual I'm like, oh yeah, man, what are some 543 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 2: likes all kinds of girls. He's like, well, Marissa Rabisi 544 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: is this red headed intellectual girl that's playing CYNTHI in 545 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 2: the movie, and she's over here in the car at 546 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 2: the top knots drive through with her three nerdy friends 547 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: in the back seat, and I don't know, maybe what 548 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 2: are some you want to pull up and you know, 549 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 2: try and pick her up. I'm like, yeah, he goes great, 550 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 2: I go give me thirty minutes. So I take a 551 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 2: walk with myself. Okay, who's my man? Who's Woodson? All 552 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 2: these things? Right, next thing I know, I'm in a car. 553 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: I've got a lava, my cook up to me about 554 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: to shoot my very first scene in the movie. No 555 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 2: lines are written. Thirty minutes ago. The director said, hop 556 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 2: in the scene and go pick her up. And I'm 557 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: going over in my head, who's my man? Who's Woodson? Right, 558 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 2: I'm getting a little nervous. I tell myself, all right, 559 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: Waterson's about his car. I'm like, well, I'm in my 560 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 2: seventy Chevelle. There's one, I said, Waterson's about getting high. 561 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: I said, oh, well, Slater's riding shotgun. He's always got 562 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: to do. We rolled up. There's two, I said, Waterson's 563 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 2: about rock and roll. I said, well, I got ted 564 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: nus and strangleholding the eight track, right, now there's three. 565 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: And that's when I heard action. And I look up 566 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: across the drive through and there's Cynthia, the redhead intellectual. 567 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: And to myself, I say, and Waterson's about picking up chicks. 568 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 3: I got three out of four. 569 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: Put it in drive, all right, all right, all right, 570 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: he'll get the fourth. 571 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: It's such a great story, well told, and it changed 572 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: your life. Those three words. 573 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: I ended up working three weeks. Those words still precede me. 574 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 2: People ask me if I get tired of it. I'm like, 575 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: hell no, I don't get tired of it. This the 576 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 2: first three words I ever said in the job that 577 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 2: I didn't know. I thought it might be a one 578 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 2: off hobby in the summer of ninety two and I 579 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 2: might never do it again. It turned into a career 580 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 2: twenty eight years later. So when people say those words, 581 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 2: that's a callback. My father passed away five days after that, 582 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 2: so it's a callback to I had just finally started 583 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 2: something in my life that became a career while my 584 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 2: dad was alive. It's the first thing ever started that 585 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 2: became a crystal. He was alive, you know, he wasn't 586 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 2: there in person. He was alive for the time when 587 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: I found what would become my career. 588 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, Edisa, Matthew, thank you so much for writing this 589 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: book and I look forward to reading part two in 590 00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 1: fifty years time. 591 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 3: All right, I think I'll be up for it. Appreciate it, Hughes. 592 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: Thank you to today's legend, Matthew McConaughey. His new book, 593 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: then Green Lights really does reflect the way he looks 594 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: at the world and how he lives this creative storyteller life. 595 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: The stories are wild. I mean, the stuff about is 596 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: Mum and Dad is just nuts. But the insights to 597 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: life to us are also just as incredible. I have 598 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: actually brought several copies to give away to people. It 599 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: really is that book. Can't recommend it enough. It's called 600 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 1: Green Lights. Give it a go, Available now at any 601 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: good bookshop or online from Hatchet dot com dot au. 602 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: That's it for our first season of Stuff of Legends. 603 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: If you've missed any episodes, take a listen to the 604 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: many incredible chats we've already had, and stay up to 605 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: date when we return. 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