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Speaker 1: Welcome to wine and snacks.

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Speaker 2: I've got a bottle of the Jacobs Great Classic Piano

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Speaker 2: and WA Vintage twenty twenty. Wood's got a pack of

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Speaker 2: harvest snacks. And today we're bringing together pet the pan,

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Speaker 2: my girlfriend's dad, and wood Is romp in a van.

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Speaker 1: In broom as we explore the Inner Child. New sack

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Speaker 1: of wine.

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Speaker 3: This is a tasty burger in the US, and they

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Speaker 3: very rich people like to drink of wine.

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Speaker 4: Bring me what do you guys want?

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Speaker 3: Sour cream and onion ships with some beef jerkeys and

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Speaker 3: peanut butter and some honking does ice cream, cornbin crackers.

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Speaker 1: Yelly, that's it. I like to drink mine more lest

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon, gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: So we are talking about the Inner Child today, Will

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Speaker 2: Woody and Joel something Each of my sister brings something

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Speaker 2: which we think will contribute to or help us understand

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Speaker 1: Woods, you got to question, well, can you raise your hand?

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Speaker 1: Can you just pass the one? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: By the way, boys, I'm going to be tough to

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Speaker 5: beat today the NHL chapter. Just quietly when we bring

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Speaker 5: something every podcast and when I've Broughtez you talk a

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Speaker 5: big game game.

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Speaker 2: Game, Well, you know, she wanted to kick it off

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Speaker 2: with something that level, he says as he opens the one,

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Speaker 1: A pass one.

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Speaker 5: I want to drink my owner job.

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Speaker 1: So the movie, funnily enough, the movie Hawk, which is

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Speaker 1: a movie that we all love. Eat your heart out.

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Speaker 5: You've crinkled, wrinkled.

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Speaker 1: You're a very old mannered young man. You plugging warm?

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Speaker 3: Come on, you can do it in that can believe

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Speaker 3: you're encouraging.

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Speaker 4: Yes, show me a fastball, spraining you puts your sag

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Speaker 4: bottom too, pot.

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Speaker 6: My happy part three days to pay you guess what

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Speaker 6: I want?

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 1: My happy heart on?

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Speaker 5: Was it?

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons that I love the movie or

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Speaker 2: is the narrative of Peter pan Is. I feel like

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Speaker 2: the inner Child is something in a lot of narrative,

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Speaker 2: a lot of fairy tales that we get told that

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Speaker 2: your future is going to get solved by something outside

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Speaker 2: of the Prince is going to come and kiss you,

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Speaker 2: or you're going to become the king of this land,

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Speaker 2: or you're going to turn out to be an outrageously

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Speaker 2: the great story about Peter Pan or Hook.

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Speaker 1: In that movie with Robin Williams. If you haven't seen it,

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Speaker 1: then you're dead to me. Where have you? Where have

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Speaker 2: So in that movie Hook, the great part about it

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Speaker 2: Great, successful adult. But the fairy tale is that he

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Speaker 1: But anyway you talk.

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Speaker 5: First, and then an idiot as well, you silly things

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Speaker 2: But the truth is, and what I found out is

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what we're going to be talking about today.

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Speaker 2: And the reason this reason this came up for me

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Speaker 2: do it. And so the meditation was a change up,

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Speaker 2: and there's a real disconnect right now between who I

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Speaker 2: in reading about this is that there are so many

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Speaker 2: pretty much all of our fears and insecurities as adults

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Speaker 2: completely unaware of them. So, for example, this is a

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Speaker 2: be an example Hitler, Adolf Hitler, Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 1: How the hell did we get to Hitler? So let

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Speaker 5: Hitler's meditating in a bunker.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't in his bunker. Well, he was in his

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll get to it. But he deserves that. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: but like, oh absolutely, I'm not talking about him.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about like, you know, at the end of

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Speaker 1: They're all bunker down in Berlin, which is where they were. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Hitler then goes like, all right, guys, well I'm going

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Speaker 1: invited people to his bunker one hundred percent. They're all

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Speaker 1: think the bunker was? I thought it was just him

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Speaker 1: Actually absolutely.

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Speaker 6: Yes, a lot of wealth from the shaving company. Of course,

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Speaker 6: That's why Adolph's mustache was always so tough. He had

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Speaker 5: Robin Williams missed his kids baseball game. I believed was

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, we're at the bunker.

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Speaker 2: We're at Hitler's with his with his wife who invented

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Speaker 6: Clim you somehow I need to go back, because you

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Speaker 6: were somehow going to transition from you doing a self

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Speaker 1: Yes to Hitler.

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So I was talking about the fact, because

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Speaker 2: we're talking about this inner child thing, about the fact

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Speaker 2: that your development is arrested, your feelings are arrested.

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Speaker 1: If they're a rest as a.

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Speaker 2: Child, you then grow up as an adult still with

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Speaker 2: the hurt inside you. Yes, and that can spontaneously contaminate

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Speaker 2: your behavior as an adult and you and off and

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Speaker 2: you have no control over that.

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Speaker 1: That's something which is propelled out of you because of

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Speaker 2: And the example that I that I had was that

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Speaker 2: Hitler was the bastard son of a Jewish landlord who

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Speaker 2: was like rich, ritualistically beaten, chronically beaten by his dad.

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Speaker 1: And you know, it doesn't excuse what he did, know,

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Speaker 1: but you can, but the causal.

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Speaker 2: Link between any pretty much any badness's badness.

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Speaker 1: Is not a word.

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Speaker 2: Any awful thing that somebody does as an adult is

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Speaker 1: Just terrible.

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Speaker 6: To light up a little bit, You and I Jela

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Speaker 6: both chubby puppies. We refer to me and jol as

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Speaker 6: reformed chubby puppies. Yeah, and that's because when we were

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Speaker 5: I was merely just gaining weight to grow quite a

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Speaker 6: Was deactly the same, and I was always called porky

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Speaker 6: convinced in your head you were convinced. I told myself

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Speaker 6: I was porky.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And then to this to this day, I'll

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Speaker 1: always see myself as it's really interest, which is why.

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Speaker 2: Actually, funnily enough, I brought up this thing that you

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Speaker 2: had in broom in the van with this other person. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I know, because when you got back. You told

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Speaker 1: Someth yeah, yeah, yeah, so I was.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 1: I was also reading a book called which I highly recommend.

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Speaker 6: It's called It's Not Always Depression, and it's all about

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Speaker 6: accelerated experiential psychotherapy something. Oh he was so close, perfect,

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Speaker 6: so close, It's something like that, but which is all about.

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Speaker 1: Going to the podcast should be called so close. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: that was all about sitting with emotion and stuff.

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Speaker 6: And then I was, so I was reading this book

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Speaker 6: and part of the book also said going to revisit

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Speaker 6: or visiting young you. Yeah, and I was reading about it,

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Speaker 6: dada da. But then I happened to fall asleep one

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Speaker 6: night and I did it and it was a wild experience.

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Speaker 1: And so can you run me through the actual experience though,

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Speaker 1: like what actually happened?

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Speaker 6: House party, a nondescript house party, and it was feelings

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Speaker 6: of caring so much about people thought of you, thinking

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Speaker 6: a moment to finally get outside and have a Wii

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Speaker 6: at a bush? How well were we at the hose

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Speaker 6: at the house party fifteen sixteen, So you would have

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we were rocking that ship in class of my

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Speaker 1: The hang on, hang on, I am you twenty years

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Speaker 2: You don't have to run through that, fifteen year old

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Speaker 1: This is me twenty years later on I'm in a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you're going to have the best time. There's people

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Speaker 1: Guesses how much have we drunk? It's both dead, both

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Speaker 2: And what else could I bring from a hook that

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Speaker 2: Hoffman just would be about to be a big get

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Speaker 1: I mean it'll be big toodles. No, he's long gone

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Speaker 5: Sure that he's kicking about.

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Speaker 2: My girlfriend's dad, actually Frank, who's specializes good.

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Speaker 1: But you can fly, you know, Frank. Frank.

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Speaker 1: Frank, are you going?

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Speaker 1: is Joel Hi.

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Speaker 4: There, guys.

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Speaker 2: The reason I've got you on so for because I

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Speaker 2: narrative therapy, which I noticed something you've got a bit

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Speaker 1: Can you explain a little bit about like how that works?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the narrative therapy, Yeah, place, the.

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Speaker 3: Narrative therapy is all about recreating stories.

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Speaker 4: Recreating stories, so you what you get is that.

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Speaker 3: As a child, You, you, you, You create a narrative

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Speaker 4: And is that really true? Is that really the only

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Speaker 3: Narratives that can be made thicker so to speak? So

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Speaker 1: So, frank, why would you want to change your narrative?

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Speaker 5: So you know, if it isn't a true narrative, but

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Speaker 3: Because you have a lot of trouble with it? So,

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Speaker 1: Exactly right, So you try and reform that narrative.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Frank. As a kid, interesting, I was I

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, because it solves things. It solves the whole.

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Speaker 4: You say, how can I support you? What is it

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Speaker 1: Like you're gonna like exactly, you know you're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 6: be around other people.

447
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 3: But then exactly and what you need is and yeah, yeah,

448
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 3: and that it's all right to have that feeling, yeah, because.

449
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 4: That's most of the times. That's something that I lack

450
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 4: with many people that are in my kind.

451
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 3: Of job, is that it's it's quite all right to

452
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 3: be insecure as a fifteen year old.

453
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,160
Speaker 4: Yes, there's no prob don't have to do anything. Yeah,

454
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,120
Speaker 4: you don't have to change anything.

455
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 5: Hey, Frank, my name is Joel. I pressed the buttons

456
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 5: for Will and Woody, and I've got a five year

457
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 5: old now, who's you know, sort of on that straight line,

458
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 5: turning the corner, getting very quickly to almost six year old.

459
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,479
Speaker 5: And I guess as a father, I'm sort of starting

460
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 5: to think geez. I think my first memories in life

461
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 5: started to form around four and five, So he's now,

462
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 5: you know, a lot of these memories are now going

463
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 5: to be set in concrete for the rest of his life.

464
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 5: So I think a lot about some of the stuff

465
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,399
Speaker 5: that I talk to him about or teach him. And

466
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 5: you're talking about, you know, talking to your inner child.

467
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 5: Would you give anyone who's like a young father, who's

468
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 5: got like a five year old on anything they should

469
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 5: be thinking about with this sort of stuff when maybe

470
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 5: talking to you to your five year old.

471
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, one thing I want to say to all.

472
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 3: Young parents is that you will make mistakes, and there's

473
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: no harm and making mistakes. And when I say making

474
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: mistakes is that you do the things you do or

475
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 3: the raising of your children that you do, you do

476
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,120
Speaker 3: it with the best of your intentions. And one thing

477
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 3: that I would like to tell young young parents is

478
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 3: that you always separate, you separate the being from the doing.

479
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 3: So once I came back from the office at six

480
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: o'clock in the evening and my wife was cooking, she

481
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: was in the kitchen, and the children, the two girls

482
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 3: were finger painting in the living room and we had

483
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 3: just decorated the.

484
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 4: Whole the whole room, and and.

485
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: And and they were they were having fun because I

486
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 3: could hear it when I entered the front door, and

487
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 3: there was a.

488
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 4: Lot of screaming and yelling and laughing.

489
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 3: And I entered the door and the whole wall that

490
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 3: was just painted was completely a finger painted with all

491
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: kinds of color.

492
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 7: I was, I mean, it was amazing.

493
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 4: And I became angry, so, which which is a normal reaction.

494
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 4: I mean, it happens. So I was pissed off, and

495
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 4: I told them, no, don't do that.

496
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: Finger paint is not for the walls and.

497
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: Things like that.

498
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: So I was extremely upset until five minutes later I

499
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 3: could laugh about it, because of course it's it's the

500
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: It's the nicest thing you can do fingerpaint a white wall.

501
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 4: I mean, what else is there to be done.

502
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 3: But then what you should do as a parent is

503
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 3: to separate the behavior from the being. Because they were

504
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 3: having fun and and and I didn't use that much

505
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 3: force in my voice that I.

506
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 4: That I didn't kick out the playfulness.

507
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: Of the kids. So what you have to do is

508
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: to say, listen, listen, girls, I love it that you're

509
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 3: playing like this. I love you having fun. I love

510
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 3: you painting. However, you shouldn't paint the wall. It's meant

511
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 3: to go on the paper, and there you.

512
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 4: Make the distinction between their behavior and their being.

513
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 3: And what I noticed too often is that there are

514
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 3: that there are people who still suffer where they they

515
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: became human human doings and not human beings. So you

516
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: should always say you, as a kid are fine. As

517
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: a kid, You're fine, You are okay. As a as

518
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 3: a human being, you are okay. You do things that

519
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 3: you do, and the.

520
00:26:54,320 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: Action exactly doing human doing as well, said mate, I

521
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: don't think you were helped in that scenario at all

522
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: by the fact that your wife at the time was

523
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 2: an absolute psychopath and probably encouraged the painting.

524
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: On the walls.

525
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: As I understand it, she was the one who put

526
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: the paint on the walls first, she was doing it,

527
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: she was she was the one who encouraged it.

528
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 1: There was a mole wild, absolutely wild.

529
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great.

530
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: It's been amazing to talk to you, mate.

531
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for all your insights, for joining us,

532
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 2: for joining us on wine and snacks.

533
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure.

534
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, all your vice advice is redundant because your daughter

535
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: is a complete failure and a horrible person.

536
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: So we all know your parent, mate, we all know it.

537
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 1: I live with the proof, with the fact that you're

538
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: a ship parents. I don't even try and lecture me.

539
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to get home and my fucking walls would

540
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: be painted. I know it. Thanks for joining us, mate,

541
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: Thanks for taking the time out. I really appreciate it.

542
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 4: I was talking to you guys.

543
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: Thanks, Frank, all right, so right, bye, bye bye.

544
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 5: What a lovely man with your father in law?

545
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 6: What he's a legend, amazing guy, amazing dude, Frank, great dude, Yeah.

546
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: Really good dude. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Tough to have

547
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: your father in law in the podcast. I'm going to

548
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: be honest. What do you mean, it's just hard to interject.

549
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 5: You know, he's the only man I've heard where you've

550
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 5: tried to start talking and shut up. Mate, I haven't finished.

551
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 5: I've still got two points, which I've only heard my

552
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 5: dad do.

553
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: It's pretty much.

554
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: It's also pretty much only the man, the only other

555
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: man that I would actually listen to.

556
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, No, the flora is yours, Frank, Well, no, yeah, no,

557
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: that's that that happened. That was embarrassing. We enjoyed it

558
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: played Frank. Frank, come back to the interesting thing.

559
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: About this stuff though, because we keep talking about like

560
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 2: how you know damage when you are a kid is

561
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: going to hurt you at an older age. The interesting

562
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 2: thing about it, or the truth about it, is that

563
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: it's going to happen to everybody. So the question for

564
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 2: me then is like how do you get damaged as

565
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: a child and how does that stay with you? And

566
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: funnily enough, when I was doing the Share My Mood

567
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: podcast recently, which was to release this this mental health

568
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: app one of the chats I had was with this

569
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: psych in Perth called Curse Nansen Ridge, who told me

570
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 2: that it's basically inevitable that every parent is going to

571
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 2: damage their child.

572
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: There's just no way. I mean, by the second one off,

573
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: your kids are so we need to get them out

574
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: of it.

575
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: Actually, this podcast has just been a way to distract

576
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: you so that we can get child services in there

577
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: to extract them.

578
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: I've got one, Will's got the other one.

579
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 5: It's probably a good idea.

580
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: Your wife was all for this, by the way.

581
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: Just keep him in the studio over for an hour

582
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: and we can get them out of it. Oh God,

583
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: So you're actually inevitably going to damage them. There's and

584
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: the really heartbreaking part about this is that no parent

585
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: can ever avoid damaging their child. And this happens like

586
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: when you're an infant as well. So what I was

587
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: interested investigating is that as adults, we feel like a

588
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: burden when we talk to somebody else, like often when

589
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: we talk about our feelings. And apparently the reason that

590
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,479
Speaker 2: you feel like a burden is because when you're an

591
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: infant and you're screaming out to.

592
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: Your mum and dad to come and help you with something.

593
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 2: At one stage, it doesn't matter if you're the most balanced,

594
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: equanimous parent on the planet. You're going to be like,

595
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: I actually haven't got time for you because I'm worried

596
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: about my mortgage, my weight, my hangover, my best friend

597
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 2: not talking to me. So you will have a response

598
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 2: to that child where are like, mate, I can't deal

599
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: with you right now. And that's going to happen a

600
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: few times naturally, and then forever that child will then

601
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: feel like a burden on people when it's asking for

602
00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: help because it's parents, we're just trying to look after themselves,

603
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: and that happens always, So no one is no one

604
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: can escape the fact that they're in a child will

605
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: get damaged. That's the hard truth about this. The good

606
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 2: news is you can actually connect with the most traumatic

607
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: moments of you in a child, and you can realize

608
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: how they're impacting you as an adult. And for a

609
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: lot of people. That's why I brought up Hitler before.

610
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: I mean, like he enacted he's inner child's trauma on

611
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 2: a whole race of people. But you can enact your

612
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: inner child's trauma on the people around you all the time.

613
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: And that might be because you have a fear of

614
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: not fitting in. You know, you might be overly narcissistic,

615
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 2: so you attract, you try and attract lots of love

616
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: from other people to fill the void of the love

617
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: you didn't get as a child.

618
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: You might be very, very afraid.

619
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: You might have some sort of fear that was put

620
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 2: in you as a child, so you might get very

621
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: angry when you're afraid. So you might have a real

622
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: issue with your temper. So these are triggers that people

623
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 2: have in their subconsciousness which pretty much define their greatest

624
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: emotional and personality hang ups. But they have no chance

625
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: of addressing them unless they get in touch with this

626
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: kid who was hurt twenty thirty forty years ago.

627
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 5: Jeez yeah, Like I can totally relate with what you're

628
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 5: saying as a parent, Like the amount of unintentional kids

629
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 5: tells about its about to call these kids and listen, mate,

630
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 5: I can't see you. I'm doing a podcast, all right, Harlan.

631
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 5: If you're listening, it's dad.

632
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: I'm doing wine and snacks. Make your own dinner. I

633
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: told you. The vacuum is next to the broom. We've

634
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: alden there.

635
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 5: You know, I screamed at my child for three hours

636
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 5: last weekend because you know, it doesn't know how to

637
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 5: put socks on.

638
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: It happens, Is it coming? Is it company?

639
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 5: Daddy never told me how to put socks on, So

640
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 5: I take it out of them boy, and he took.

641
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: It out on his son and his Just imagine, Harlan,

642
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 2: it like that's Joel's son, Harland. Just like working at

643
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: a sock shop and some in the future absolutely cracking it.

644
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: You put socks on.

645
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 2: Daniel is at the athlete's foot, you know, when you

646
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: don't rock up with your socks Like, sorry, mate, do

647
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: you mind if you've got any spare socks? Out of

648
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: the fact we don't have many just punching something.

649
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: It's your fault. My father was a horrible man. Sorry,

650
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: you were going to go. But is it comforting? Is

651
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: it comforting for you to know that every parent is

652
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: like that? Yeah?

653
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you you get a moment where you reach

654
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 5: your breaking point where you need someone who has kids

655
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 5: that pulls you aside and says, listen, you you don't

656
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 5: see me twenty four to seven with my kids. You're

657
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 5: having a bad day, a real bad day, and you

658
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 5: just need that reassurance.

659
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes we're all screwing it up.

660
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 5: We're all doing this, and you're not seeing me doing

661
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 5: what you're doing right now, and you're going home feeling

662
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 5: like the worst parent in the world. We're doing this.

663
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And well Will and I can't haven't

664
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 6: got kids relates that at all, Joe, So keep it

665
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 6: to Dad's club.

666
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 5: It's probably a good time for me to bring my

667
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 5: item though. Yeah, yeah, that would be perfect. This is

668
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 5: the dude who wrote Winnie the Pool.

669
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: Actually don't know who that is. I don't know his

670
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: first name. What is what is? You thought it was?

671
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: One knows? I thought it was.

672
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: Do you think that people go for the initial first

673
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: names when their names are just a bit ship probably

674
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: the worst name starting with the.

675
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 8: Yeah joke for everyone? Do you just mean someone drunk?

676
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 8: Now someone's first name is an That's what I was

677
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 8: going for. You're going to show you up before you

678
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 8: go into this tangent?

679
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: Yes, please, yeah, fiel me out. But no, this isn't

680
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: a it's not actually a silly or funny quote. But

681
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: I quite enjoy it. It's not the whole pumpish, just

682
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: the end.

683
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 6: It's but now I am six, I'm as clever as clever,

684
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 6: so I think I'll be six now forever and ever and.

685
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: For me yep.

686
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 6: I love the messaging there that is like you you

687
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 6: don't have to grab. I love the delusional optimism of

688
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 6: a six year old there to go, I'm fucking six now,

689
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 6: I've got this stuff sorted. And I think as adults

690
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 6: we can look at six year olds and go, they

691
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 6: actually know more about life than us.

692
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: We've we've we've we've gone the wrong way since six, yeah,

693
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: because we care about all this bullshit.

694
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 6: And you look at a six year old that's the

695
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 6: most mindful motherfucker you've ever seen. Just like in the moment,

696
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 6: enjoying no one knows what's important. That's why I love

697
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 6: that little quote there, anal Milm.

698
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: That's a great point al can say. I've never looked

699
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: at a six year old and been like, God, you

700
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: mindful motherfucker.

701
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 5: I'll tell you best. My five and a half year

702
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 5: old is having the fucking time of his life. He

703
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 5: gets up, he last going to school. Think about when

704
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 5: that moment switches in your life where you're just like,

705
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 5: oh God, get up and go out of bed and

706
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 5: dress myself and go to school. He is literally a

707
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 5: lightning bulb out of bed, like I get to go

708
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 5: to school.

709
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: Today, and what was that?

710
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 4: What?

711
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: What?

712
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: What was?

713
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: Because you're talking about being a six year old, it's

714
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: quite a rich age, you know, to be a kid

715
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: as a six year old?

716
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: Was your number one moment? Let's go day to day.

717
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: Let's get rid of birthdays and Christmases and special occasions.

718
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,959
Speaker 5: The first thing to mind is mum or dad more dad?

719
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 5: If I'm being honest, making a spontaneous decision to like

720
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 5: go and get ice creams, Oh my god, mim was

721
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 5: exactly the same.

722
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: That that's it.

723
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 6: It was like you'd be sitting there, beautiful, and you'd

724
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 6: be sitting there doing homework and Dad walking your door

725
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 6: and go like, mate, put that down, let's go and

726
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 6: get asking what what what?

727
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: What has happened on Tuesday? Dad goes, stuff it, Let's

728
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: go and get ice creams. And you were just like

729
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: holy yeah, that was totally wild. And then you get

730
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: there and they're like, all right, guys, Vanilla Dixie is

731
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: only one you've got.

732
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: You've got the four dollar magna mego in your handle.

733
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna be up that night because you've

734
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: had too much of it.

735
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: No ice creeping spontaneous choice to get ice cream is

736
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 2: exactly what my I was. And you're getting wrapped up

737
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 2: getting picked up from school and being like, you know what.

738
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: Let's just get ice cream all the way, and I'm like,

739
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: what crazy the world? It was?

740
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 2: There was something about because your parents are in charge

741
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: of the rule book. So when they say I'm shooting

742
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 2: up the rule book, that's just like, yeah, that's just Heroin.

743
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 2: That's just like as good as it gets.

744
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: That's just like another one.

745
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 5: Not that Heroin is as good as we do not

746
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 5: condern Heroin will need to drink out. Oh god, we

747
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 5: all is the only sober one, and he's brought up

748
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 5: some serious cons has quite controversial content. Content I'm going

749
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 5: to segue from Heroin I think reminds me of that

750
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 5: childhood moment and six years old and yeah, weirdly I

751
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 5: didn't go ice cream, but I completely agree with that one.

752
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 1: But for me, it was walking to the video store

753
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: with my mom, Oh video store, and yeah, so renting movies.

754
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 5: And as we're all basically the same in here, despite

755
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 5: a few odd things that are different about our personalities.

756
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 5: One of us has got a fascination with Hitler, but no,

757
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 5: like we all love love movies, and that's why we're

758
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 5: doing what we're doing now. I think because part of

759
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 5: our brain just sort of took over with creativity and

760
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 5: watching these films. And for me it was Robin Williams,

761
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 5: and we've talked about this. We could do ten episodes

762
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 5: on our love that man. But I love how this

763
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 5: beautifully segues into Hook. Yeah, I was doing that and

764
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 5: I would rent Hook every chance. And this is where

765
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 5: I'm going to bring out my.

766
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: Say points for bringing out your your item that you're

767
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: bringing today, segueing into it, Yeah, I feel like.

768
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: Mine was a bit clunky, was a bit I think

769
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: that you bringing up Hitler was clunky. You're bringing a

770
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: bit clunky Woods. We kind of you know, stumbled into

771
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: your was the only Joel has called him an Milne.

772
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: Well, I just thought that was smooth. That was amazing,

773
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 2: And we were at Heroin two minutes ago and now

774
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: we're talking about it.

775
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 6: That Also, if you're about to bring up hook, that

776
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 6: has been like a theme which you did not know

777
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 6: for the whole podcast.

778
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 5: And now you're about to bring up something about hook.

779
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 5: When when Will mentioned hook at the start, my eyes

780
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 5: just lit up. No, it was extraord This is amazing.

781
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 5: So what I want you to to do right now? Okay,

782
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 5: now what I know about you in the short time

783
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 5: we've worked together, it's no short time. Actually, it's coming

784
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 5: up to three years anniversary.

785
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: Books.

786
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys have been childhood best mates around all

787
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 5: early high school.

788
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

789
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, for the listener, imagine your closest friend at fifteen

790
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 5: came to school one day and went, my dad's moving

791
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 5: his business and I'm going to another state. So that's

792
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 5: what happened to me when I was fifteen. My closest friend,

793
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 5: we've been best friend since year five, played he got

794
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 5: me interested in footy. I'm now passionate about my footy team.

795
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 5: The Adelaide Crows both went for them. We went through

796
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 5: all the previescent things that you go through as an

797
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 5: eleven year old to a fifteen year old liking girls,

798
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 5: all of that together and then poof, he's gone. So

799
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 5: my example that I'm bringing about in a child is

800
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 5: a tattoo which I have tattooed on the inside of

801
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 5: my arm, which says Judgy for life.

802
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: I've always wondered what that thing was, and that's what

803
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: it is.

804
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 5: So my chucchy So his name is Judgy. He's a

805
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 5: little Indian boy who is not chutchy.

806
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: That's no, I have another drink.

807
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 5: So you're in love with Judge. You're confessing your love

808
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 5: for a small Indian boy called Judge. You're better than

809
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 5: will now and save me will turn his mic up. No, sorry,

810
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 5: So when he was when he was a young boy,

811
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 5: which works in with everything that you've been bringing to

812
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 5: this about.

813
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: How I was kind to say before you go on,

814
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: I've always wondered what that touch because I've only ever

815
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: seen the full life. Yeah, he sticks out of the

816
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 2: bottom of my shirt and I've never seen the upwards.

817
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: Yea, the side of it. I was never sure. Sometimes

818
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: I just supplemented things in my brain in there. What

819
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,720
Speaker 1: else did you think Joel was for life? For PEPSI.

820
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: I didn't advertising campaign back when I was doing radio,

821
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: and when I saw my soul bro I lost a bet.

822
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: It was one thousand dollars. No, I actually I actually

823
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: had no idea what it was like legit.

824
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 5: So closest mates at childhood and all had a fascination

825
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 5: with Robin Williams and Peter Pan and the idea of

826
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 5: let's never grow up. It's just another word from mate.

827
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 5: But we're special mates and this is our thing. It's

828
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 5: no one else's. So we're judges for life, so no

829
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 5: one can take that away from us.

830
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: Could you nominate a judge?

831
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 6: And that's a follow up question obviously A Will and

832
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 6: I in Judgy areas absolutely.

833
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 5: If you said to Jaren, if you said to Jaron, yeah,

834
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 5: I know a couple of judges. Sorry, I thought you've

835
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 5: had his say his name was judgy, and I was like,

836
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 5: what's judgy? So he didn't make make up a word

837
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 5: at all?

838
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: Is just oh my god, other people's namely mean it?

839
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: You're mean for life?

840
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 4: Yeah?

841
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: Ye, shattering moment.

842
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 5: So it all makes sense. So I guess what I'm

843
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 5: trying to say there that whole story. I'm sorry it

844
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 5: was a bit longer than what it should What what

845
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 5: the relationship that is special about this guy and and

846
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 5: this group of friends that we've made together, and his

847
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 5: brother and everything that I just love him dearly, like

848
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 5: they just reconnect me with my childhood and all those.

849
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: Special moments that we have.

850
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 6: My mum separates me and my dad at family dinner

851
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 6: for that reason because she sees something in him where

852
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 6: it's like you're bringing out that stupid side of him,

853
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 6: and she says, you guys are stupid together.

854
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: You need to split up at the table.

855
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 5: It's the same thing. Yeah, it's it's absolutely the same thing. Actually,

856
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 5: I actually have a strong belief that if if.

857
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 6: You want to feel like a like a real joy

858
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 6: in your life, just do anything that reminds you of

859
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 6: a feeling from childhood.

860
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

861
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 6: So, and that bike riding is huge for that. So

862
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 6: you started bike riding to work every day, well, and

863
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 6: I was like, ah, not really a bike rider. As

864
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 6: soon as you get back on a bike, it's very

865
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 6: suddenly just get reminded of being a child again, and

866
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 6: you're like, oh my god.

867
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're whizzing around so happy.

868
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, if anything, And that's I think watching a movie

869
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 6: because you know how you brought up walking to the

870
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 6: movie store with your parents. Watching a movie for me

871
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 6: reminds me of being a kid, and.

872
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 5: That connection to Hook. Jaren and I have this unb

873
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 5: believable bond with that film for that reason, because what's

874
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 5: great is, like I mentioned, I haven't seen him in

875
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 5: three years, and like he'll say something weird that I

876
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 5: haven't picked up obviously not hanging around him, and I

877
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 5: just turn him and go, oh my god, he's forgotten everything,

878
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 5: and we'll just die with laughter.

879
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: Oh we've been through it, we've been away for a while.

880
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: Did you manage to fit into those smashing types as

881
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: it beaten? Three days? I want my war good form?

882
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a and and funnily enough, you know, it

883
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: all kind of ties back into what we were saying

884
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: before in and around that you can't everything that you

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Speaker 2: search for as an adult. And this is the message

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Speaker 2: in the movie Hook is you won't be able to

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Speaker 2: find if you've neglected that, you're not going to be

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Speaker 2: able to replace the thing that's been damaged.

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Speaker 1: You just can't.

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Speaker 2: That's where life was, as you said, was most free,

891
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 2: most happy, most fun. And if there are things that

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00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: you need to do to remind you of that, if

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00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: it is writing, a bike or whatever it is, you're

894
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: going to be unhappy until you actually like have a

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00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: look inside and like figure out, Hey, that's actually that

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Speaker 2: thing that I'm missing from when I was a kid.

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Speaker 2: And so it's actually to finish today. I've got this woods.

898
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: You store my thunder with a poem.

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Speaker 5: Ah, can you read it as his poems writer? I

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Speaker 5: can read it as Dustin Hoffman from Hook if you like.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, nic is a poem from Dustin Hoffman. No,

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Speaker 1: absolutely not, cheers, that would have been far more impressive.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: So a guy called Christopher Morley, and he said, the

905
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Speaker 2: greatest poem ever known is one all poets have outgrown

906
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: the poetry innate. I'm told of being only four years old,

907
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: still young enough to be a part of nature's great

908
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: impulsive heart, born comrade of bird, beast and tree, unself

909
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: conscious as the tree, and yet with lovely reasons, skilled

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Speaker 2: each day new paradise to build a late explorer of

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00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 2: each sense, without dismay, without pretense. In your unstained, transparent guys,

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00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: there is no conscience, no surprise, life's queer conundrums. You

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Speaker 2: accept your strange divinity, still kept, and life that sets.

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Speaker 1: All things in rhyme.

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Speaker 2: May make you poet too in time, but there were

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Speaker 2: days tender elf when you were poetry itself.

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Speaker 1: Nice well said, nice guy called Christopher Morley.

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Speaker 2: I love that line, But there were days of tender

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Speaker 2: elf when you were poetry itself.

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Speaker 1: Not sure why we're talking to elves, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I gotta be confused that we can't even bring it

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Speaker 1: back to the hook gives at the end morning. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed the podcast on in a Child. Guys,

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. You can fly, you can fight.

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Speaker 5: H