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Speaker 1: This is a podcast about failure with me.

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Speaker 2: Lola Berry, author, nutritionist, and yoga teacher, join me as

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Speaker 2: we get to know these guests and learn about how

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Speaker 2: their failures have ultimately shaped their dreams. Welcome to Fearlessly

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Speaker 2: Failing with Lola Berry. Hello, good morning, If it's morning

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Speaker 2: for you, if it's not, good afternoon, good evening. Today's guest,

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Speaker 2: I am so pumped. She's a bit of an icon

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Speaker 2: of Byron Bay. It is the plastic free Mermaid aka

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Speaker 2: Kate Nelson. Now, this girl has been free of using

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Speaker 2: single use plastics for over eleven years now is a

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Speaker 2: massive eco warrior. She taught me so much stuff that

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Speaker 2: I didn't know about micro plastics, about the impact of

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Speaker 2: just little things like planning your food scraps in the

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Speaker 2: back of your in your backyard and like hit them plastics, microfibers,

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Speaker 2: so much stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be really honest with you. I a lot

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Speaker 1: of it was.

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Speaker 2: Kind of new to me, all the words I'd heard

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Speaker 2: but didn't really understand. So I'm really excited for you.

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Speaker 2: I hope you've learned so much from these. She's really

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Speaker 2: inspiring and she's so passionate. Please enjoy the wonderful plastic

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Speaker 2: free mermaid. Kate Nelson twenty Squat's mate, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: That's right? The squats alone went off and we had

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Speaker 3: to do it. Thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 2: You've inspired me. I think I've got to set this

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Speaker 2: alarm and just do it. I can see myself on

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Speaker 2: Christmas date. Sorry guys, pause, Chrissy.

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Speaker 3: That's right, everybody. You can have more of a pudding

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Speaker 3: now or whatever you eat here? Yeah, it's what is

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Speaker 3: it in America? Well, it's winter there, so we have

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Speaker 3: like heavy dishes. I tried to beat cookies the other

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Speaker 3: day and I just couldn't do it. It was way

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Speaker 3: too high and humid here. Yeah, you have been a

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Speaker 3: dream too. I call it like an inster stork. And

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Speaker 3: when I've got a guest on a like deep dive

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Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: There are so many things I want to ask you.

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Speaker 2: Of course we've got to talk about your new book,

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Speaker 2: but also plastic pollution. But there's one thing I'm nerding

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Speaker 2: out about. Yeah, free diving, the swimming with the sharks,

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Speaker 2: whale sharks.

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Speaker 1: I have done that too.

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Speaker 3: Where did you go?

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Speaker 2: I did it in the Maldives or mel digs and

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm a little land I felt tiny

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Speaker 2: in comparison. But I love your love for the ocean

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Speaker 2: because I've got a bucket listing that i really want

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Speaker 2: to do, and I feel like I'm just going to

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Speaker 2: say it now and then I'll get into the plastic stuff.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear it.

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Speaker 1: I want a free dive with Orca whales in Norway. Amazing.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen any of the videos of it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Incredible. Orcas are also on my bucket list, and

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Speaker 3: I've been trying to do a mermaid retreat them for

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Speaker 3: so long, but they're so unpredictable. It's really hard to find.

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Speaker 3: They're so wild, which is like the perfect you know,

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Speaker 3: it's such an incredible kind of connection to nature to

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Speaker 3: so hard to predict and so hard to find and

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Speaker 3: have that is make it that much more special, I know.

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Speaker 2: And up in Canada, I think you can like coactly there,

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Speaker 2: and then you weren't too far from that because you

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Speaker 2: grew up in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, so quite Inland. So we I live

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Speaker 3: in such a beautiful part of the world. That's where

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Speaker 3: all of the Great Lakes kind of spill into the US.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, real, it's none of the land of

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Speaker 3: ten Thousand Lakes. It's where the Lakers are from. Originally

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Speaker 3: it's yeah, it's really puddly in foresty and beautiful, and

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Speaker 3: then it kind of flattens out to farmland in the

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Speaker 1: And that's where all this bigar isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Isn't this where you learn, Holy smokes, plastic ain't so great?

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Speaker 3: Yep? Yep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where the activism started.

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Speaker 1: Okay, help take me through.

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Speaker 2: I love the story of how you quickly look like

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Speaker 1: As soon as that doco came out.

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Speaker 3: Which one it was, the Plastic Ocean, Yeah, I was.

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Speaker 2: It'd be about three to four maybe longer now, yep,

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Speaker 2: but for you, so, I think we'd have been only

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Speaker 2: open for like a few months and we could like, wow,

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Speaker 2: I'm talking overnight. We were like, we need to switch

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Speaker 2: everything good for you. But the best bit the consumers

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Speaker 2: were the ones that were like, don't because you'd run

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Speaker 2: out of the good the good straws and you'd run

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Speaker 2: out of them and you'd be like, what are we

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Speaker 2: We got the backup ones and people be like, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't. That's it. Yes see.

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Speaker 3: I love that story because it shows that individual impact matters,

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Speaker 3: like it builds a collective impact, Like if we all

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Speaker 3: vocalize and are you know, let the people know why

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Speaker 3: we're making that decision that oh, sorry, I don't want

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Speaker 3: to use the plastic straw, I'll just use a spoon

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Speaker 3: or my lips whatever. It's so important to be vocal

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Speaker 3: it's the plastic. And you're like, I know, I watched

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's quite of love that it's becoming so socially acceptable

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Speaker 2: to bring your own use your keep cup all. Like

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Speaker 2: everything that you live doesn't feel like it's only a

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: But you have been plastic free for ten years now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so what was that moment?

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Speaker 2: So you were were you already part of an organization,

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Speaker 3: I kind of grew up always volunteering. Like my family,

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Speaker 3: And then I was volunteering for Jean Michel Cousteau's Ocean

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Speaker 3: And she said, well, you know, plastic doesn't break down

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Speaker 3: up into millions of tiny little pieces and they're irretrievable

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Speaker 3: impact of those little micro organisms then making their way

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Speaker 3: Right, and it actually biomagnifies these The toxicity gets worse

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Speaker 1: All the America mobies.

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Speaker 2: And then you shared that journey with insta YouTube, everything

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Speaker 2: you've done, because what I love, like deep diving and going.

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Speaker 1: All the way back over the years in your Instagram.

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Speaker 1: You make it so.

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Speaker 2: Attainable because I think, and this is where this podcast

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Speaker 2: When you start to think, Okay, I want to look

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Speaker 3: I hope we get there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally totally, But like it can get overwhelmed out

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Speaker 2: And then just you feel like an uppeel.

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Speaker 3: And you know, there's like six stages of change, and

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Speaker 3: not just like, oh, I'm never coming back. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: But instead of saying it's over, it's done, I'm off

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Speaker 3: set ourselves up for a success.

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Speaker 2: Again, same with imnutritionists, so same with health. It's the

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Speaker 2: exact same pattern with health. But I've also noticed there's

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Speaker 2: this sense and I feel like you do it perfectly

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Speaker 1: Who you are.

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Speaker 2: So my barista's in Melbourne, which is where I lived

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Speaker 2: before here, they would get used to me because I

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Speaker 1: Like, just pop the coffee on top. It's all good,

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Speaker 3: I love he use plastic, you have to tax them

435
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 3: like a gold coin or something. You know, so you

436
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 3: can make it playful for the people you live with.

437
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 3: And if you think like a bit of like public

438
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 3: humiliation will help your family members, your loved ones, if

439
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,719
Speaker 3: they can take a bit of teasing, that can be

440
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 3: persuasive too.

441
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: Do you know when I finished nutrition school, I went through.

442
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 2: I was living on the Gold Coast studying, and I

443
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 2: went down to my albourn and visited my dad and

444
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 2: I went through. I was like twenty two, went through

445
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 2: his cupboard and put cross some bones on all the

446
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 2: stuff that I thought.

447
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,639
Speaker 3: Was no what like a sticker.

448
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: I drew it with a marker, like a permanent marker,

449
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: and and he was mortified and like literally and had

450
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 2: gluten sugar numbers like all the additives. Not so much gluten,

451
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 2: but I knew he couldn't eat gluten. And so I

452
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 2: was just like poison writing poison. What the ego of myself?

453
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,479
Speaker 1: I was like, you cannot eat this is like, oh

454
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: my godness, Lola, come down.

455
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 3: But did it work?

456
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 1: It actually has.

457
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: He's come around for he's a vet, right, So people

458
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,439
Speaker 2: that care about animals, that care about the bigger picture too. Actually,

459
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: So you mentioned something that I'm really pumped about, and

460
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 2: you said, you know, if we put things in a

461
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: recycle and there's a better chance they might end up

462
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 2: as a bikini one day. Now, I heard a podcast

463
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 2: where you said often like it's the kind of the

464
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 2: fashionable thing now to be like this is sustainable fashion,

465
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 2: This is made from upcycled bottles or what you know,

466
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: or sorry, recycled bottles, and you were like, you know

467
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: some companies literally make the bottle and then turn it out.

468
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: Is that I was like, mind blowing.

469
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: I know, it's so sad, right, yeah, I mean it's

470
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: tricky navigating this, Like the environmental movement is hectic because

471
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: so many people are like, I care about the environment,

472
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: I want to get on board, but they're not a

473
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 3: plastics expert, So how are they supposed to know what's

474
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 3: legit and what's not. Because then you have suppliers out

475
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: there who are like, oh cool, the environmental market recycled

476
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 3: plastic mark there's a market for this. Let's supply them

477
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 3: with what they want. But again, it's not cost efficient

478
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: really to recycle plastic. You have to clean it because

479
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 3: so many people are throwing dirty plastics into the bin.

480
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: So they have to clean it, separate it, remove the

481
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: glue and the label and all the die or whatever,

482
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 3: melt it down with like plastic, and then and it's

483
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: usually contaminated because it's so hard to get rid of

484
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 3: all the glue and the ink and the food whatever.

485
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: And then they have to mix it with a little

486
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: bit of virgin plastic to make sure it's actually the

487
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,959
Speaker 3: quality that they want. So that's a huge process. If

488
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 3: they just are like, here's some bottles, let's just turn

489
00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 3: these straight into the thing, it's cheaper. So it's really

490
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 3: tough to navigate. And that's why I'm such an advocate

491
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 3: for transparency. And it's really difficult for companies just starting

492
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 3: out to be transparent because usually they've had to make

493
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: a few sacrifices in their ethics or you know, just

494
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 3: along the way to actually be able to afford to

495
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: do the thing. Rarely does someone starting up can they

496
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: do it perfectly environmentally? You know a lot of the

497
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: big B corporations have had to make sacrifices. Yeah, an

498
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 3: big businesses, even Patagonia, you know, like they haven't all

499
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 3: been able to do one hundred percent perfect. It's impossible

500
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 3: to be one hundred percent perfect. We just have to

501
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 3: like live in a cave and eat berries, and even

502
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 3: then we're still going to create waste. So it's how

503
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,719
Speaker 3: do we manage even that small, tiny, little footprint. So

504
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 3: I think the best thing to do is to always

505
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 3: just ask questions, which, like, as you know, having been

506
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 3: a business owner, like it helps inform what your customers

507
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 3: want as well, so as you say where is this made,

508
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 3: what is it made from? Where do you get that material,

509
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 3: what's the process, and that helps them become more accountable

510
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 3: as well, because maybe they haven't asked those questions and

511
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, like I should find out. Like I

512
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 3: just was at a dress shop earlier this today and

513
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: I was like, what's the button made of?

514
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: She was like, oh, I'm not sure?

515
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: You know, so like is it shell or is it

516
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 3: fake shell? It's just like trying to figure out, you know,

517
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: what are these things that we're using? What because that's

518
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 3: again voting to support that we want do we want

519
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: to live? And if it's real shell? Okay, how is

520
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: it harvested? Was it sustainable? You know, like what's the process?

521
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 3: What are we actually buying? Because that's the world we're creating.

522
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 2: I'm a crystal girl and I've had a lot of

523
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: people write to me though and go have you bothered

524
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: to find out where and how that's been, where it's

525
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: come from, the ethic and the method to obtaining this crystal.

526
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: And I was like shivers, No, I just thought it

527
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: was a hippie crystal that was going to make me

528
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: feel good when I put under my pillow, like yeah,

529
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: and I was, and I saw a post it and

530
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: it was like gone in the days that we get

531
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: to live blissfully in ignorance, you know, And I think

532
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 2: now is the time we've got to be like, hey, yeah,

533
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: where was this mind? Like where did this come from?

534
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: What is and think like, oh my gosh, I'm so

535
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 4: grateful and like feel so fortunate to have a network

536
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 4: that holds me accountable, you know, because like I'm an

537
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 4: expert on plastics and I can talk all about that,

538
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 4: but I'm not an expert on everything.

539
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: You know, how could I be? That would be ridiculous.

540
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 3: That's why I purposely try to say, look, guys, I

541
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 3: don't have an opinion on these subjects because it's healthy

542
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 3: to not be a warrior for every cause, you know,

543
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: like that was so draining when we try and get

544
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 3: into all the battles on those things. But let's be

545
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 3: compassionate and supportive as we all figure all these things out.

546
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 3: Because yeah, like crystals have such an impact and I'm

547
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 3: like a big crystal face roller, Like I love a

548
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 3: jade egg, you know, like there's all these things that

549
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: I love and I was the same I had no

550
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 3: idea where they came from, and I was like, oh

551
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 3: my gosh, how responsible. But that is so part of

552
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 3: the journey. We're just keep awakening, a growing, keep learning

553
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: big time.

554
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 2: And I think it comes back to how you were

555
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: saying that cycle of like failing as.

556
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: Actually we learn from it every time.

557
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, And also why we need to stay humble, because

558
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: like we're never going to know everything, you know, We're

559
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: never going to be one hundred percent perfect. I make

560
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,199
Speaker 3: mistakes all the time, you know. I'm I've found so

561
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 3: many plastics in my life over my journey that I'm like,

562
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, that's single use plastic too. Like, and

563
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: you just keep expanding the awareness outward and like welcoming

564
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,239
Speaker 3: other people and not shaming or you know, it's just

565
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 3: like this beautiful journey. Do you know.

566
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: Right before you came here, and my boyfriend's like, I

567
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: think we live a pretty plastic free life.

568
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: I was like, mate, go into the bathroom.

569
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: I was like, and I've recently seen a photo that

570
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: you put up where you were like, this is what

571
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: your shampoo bottle will look like in a year or

572
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: two at ocean and it's these little cut up pieces

573
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 2: of heart plastic.

574
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 3: Basically the microplastic.

575
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, like confetti kind of thing almost, And I was like,

576
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, Like, so can we talk microplastics quick,

577
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: take it away, because that's something that is very new

578
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 2: to me.

579
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: Yes. Yeah, So, like I said, plastic doesn't break down,

580
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: but it does break up. So it's it does degrade,

581
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: it weakends. We've all seen our like camping tarp start

582
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,439
Speaker 3: to flake away little bits, or we've seen something melts

583
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 3: in the microwave. We know that it does degrade, especially

584
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 3: in sunlight and heat. In different conditions, it will eventually

585
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: start to degrade. And those little bits that flake off,

586
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: those are called microplastics. So there's different stages. You've got macroplastics,

587
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 3: which are about the size of a fingernail, and then

588
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: the microplastics are a bit smaller. They're like a sesame

589
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 3: seed on too. We can't see with the naked eye.

590
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 3: And then you've got nanoplastics, which are are not visible

591
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 3: to the naked eye. Yeah, so those are kind of

592
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: what we find on the beach cleans, mostly these little macroplastics,

593
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 3: and we see we don't see lots of reds or

594
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: yellow or oranges washing up on the beaches because that's

595
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: what fish can see underwater, so that's what they're eating.

596
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: So it's the blues and greens and whites and blacks

597
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: that wash up on the ocean is really interesting. And

598
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 3: especially you'll see them along the tideline. So next time

599
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 3: you guys go on your beach walk, just look at

600
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: that tideline and see you know, that's a great place

601
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 3: to start to pick up little things and you can

602
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: do art with them or you know, put them in

603
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: a little jar whatever. But those those are the tiny

604
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 3: little plastics we have to look out for because that's

605
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: what's going to then break down into the nanoplastics, which

606
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: we cannot retrieve. It's it's a lot of people's plastic

607
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: awareness or their awakening begins with the cleanup, like a

608
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 3: beach cleanup. They're like, oh my gosh, plastic, I get

609
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 3: it now. And then you once you see the plastic matrix,

610
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: you can't unsee it. Like you're just like, oh my gosh,

611
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 3: that's plastic. That'sus. Like, oh, you're at the beach. You're

612
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: like cigarette butts, Oh my gosh, plastic bottle whatever. And

613
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 3: you start cleaning up, which is like such an important

614
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: stage in your plastic journey, because it once you've done

615
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: a bunch of cleanups, you're like, oh my gosh, I

616
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: cannot contribute to this mess because even when you put

617
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: it in the trash can, you don't know if that

618
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: trash can is going to fall over or the wind's

619
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: gonna get it or whatever. It's like when you throw

620
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: something away that's such a vague term, like where is

621
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: a way? Where is it going? It's so not done

622
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 3: with its journey, you know. It's like I've got a

623
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 3: thousand years left on the planet. So like being responsible

624
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: for your own plastic is That's why I keep a

625
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 3: trash jar so I can keep track of all the

626
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 3: plastic I use, which is harder in partnership because you're like,

627
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: am I responsible for your plastic tear? And they're like,

628
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 3: I'm that plastic pree mermaid like you I.

629
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: Have to beat you know, and I'm like you have to.

630
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: But yesterday morning, and I'm so glad you mentioned you

631
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: noticed it, even just you'll see it on the tideline.

632
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: Yesterday morning at sunrise, I was doing a shoot at

633
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: Brunswick Heads and as I walked back to the car

634
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: in the car park, there was that little sushi fish

635
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: plastic yep. And I walked past it and I was like,

636
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: oh my god, I caught myself with it about a

637
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 2: second or two and I walked back and I.

638
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: Was like, pick that little thing up's u?

639
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: I did throw it straight in the bin, But now

640
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to probably start collecting my trash just out

641
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 2: of interest experiment as well.

642
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 3: You know, man, you can always tag me so I

643
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 3: can see, so I can be like, you go, I'll

644
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 3: give you that positive affirmation.

645
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: Well, and that's the.

646
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: Other thing that got me started as well. And I

647
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: know your friends with tims, but the take three for

648
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: the sea, I would always just be like, it's so

649
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: easy to implement, that's.

650
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: Right, another amazing legend who made it so accessible.

651
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: Right.

652
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 3: It's like if you see a huge beach of plastic,

653
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: You're like, I don't have time to clean this whole beach,

654
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: but I can take three pieces, right and want my

655
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: one hand that's free. Like, it's so such a great motto.

656
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: Can you explain me just on the microplastics micro fibers?

657
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: Yes, great, great distinction, really new to me. Yeah, okay,

658
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: So you know the majority of clothing these days is

659
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: made of synthetic fibers, So instead of cotton, we're using

660
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: plastic in our clothing because it's so cheap. Oil is

661
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: so affordable, I mean, it's it shouldn't be. It's not

662
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: actually cheap for the planet, but it's been subsidized so

663
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: heavily because the oil industry is so powerful globally, so

664
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: that that resource, that extraction, process, the production, all of

665
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: that is subsidized, so that oil, so that plastic is

666
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: so cheap. We like I think I think there's so

667
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: many different kinds of plastic thread. So there's rayon, nylon, elastine, subspandex.

668
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: I'm forgetting a bunch, but there's lots. So you can

669
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: start looking at your tags of your clothing and start

670
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: to see what has plastic in it. And what I

671
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: advise is to try and buy as much natural clothing

672
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: as possible, so that you're wearing natural things, you're supporting

673
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: the natural, like the businesses using those those natural fibers,

674
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: but also so that your wastewater when you wash your

675
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 3: clothes doesn't have these plastic fibers. Anytime we wash our

676
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: clothes in a laundry machine, the gyration shakes up fibers,

677
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: so thousands of fibers are shaken loose every wash. If

678
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 3: you have natural clothing, it's just natural fibers that are

679
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: washed out into the waterways, which are fine. If you

680
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: have plastic clothing, it's plastic microfibers that are washed out

681
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: in our waterways. And this is detrimental of course, because

682
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: we can't see these with our eyes, so the little

683
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 3: microorgan again are ingesting these these microfibers, and thousands upon

684
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: thousands of fibers are shaken loose, and so they're really

685
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: hard to avoid. Right, Like I live an active wear

686
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: and even my bamboo has a small percentage of plastic

687
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: because it performs so well, and there's nothing that we

688
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: have so far, there's no fiber that will stretch out

689
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: and also stretch back. So all of our active wear

690
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: and our swimwear all has to contain plastic, some sort

691
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: of plastic like five ten percent. So you want to

692
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 3: try and get natural with a low percentage of that stretch.

693
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 3: Usually it's the lasting. If you're getting swimwear, try to

694
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: get recycled. Now, this is an opportunity for us to

695
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 3: ask and ask for transparency and say are you sure

696
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: they're recycled plastic bottles, they weren't just bottles, you know.

697
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: That's like an opportunity to get clarity on that and

698
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 3: to also help the brand or the designer to really

699
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: tighten up there to make sure that it is legit.

700
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: So I personally wash my active wear anything that has

701
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: plastic in it in a bucket in the backyard, and

702
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 3: then I just chuck that waste water in the garden

703
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 3: that's contained, not my food garden, but like flowers that

704
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 3: helps contain the fibers. Obviously, I'm hardcore do what works

705
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: for you guys. No, I love it and there are

706
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 3: it's the problem is just something that we really need

707
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: to handle because the plastic fibers are one of the

708
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: biggest polluters. If you think about it. We may be

709
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: eating from the farmer's market, growing our own food, but

710
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 3: we all wear plastic clothing. We just can't avoid it.

711
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 3: So the waste water, the treatment plants that filter usual

712
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 3: things out of the like toxins and things like that,

713
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: they can't filter out the plastic particles. They're too small,

714
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 3: so that just goes straight out to the ocean. So

715
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 3: it's a huge thing that humans, like especially Western or

716
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: the global North Companies or countries are contributing to ocean

717
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: pollution so much through these fibers. In fact, there is

718
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: a study done about the different types of plastic pollution

719
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: in Indonesia in the fish they were finding in Indonesia

720
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: and in northern California near San Francisco fish markets in

721
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 3: both places, and the fibers found in the San Francisco

722
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: study were probably four times higher than they were in

723
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 3: Indonesia because they don't have as many plastic clothing, they

724
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: don't have as much like washing. But in these urban

725
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: environments we're washing so much more clothes. So whilst Indonesia

726
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: had more like kind of food packaging plastics, our fibers

727
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: coming from Western countries are just insane. We really need

728
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 3: to get a hold on that.

729
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: So the best thing people can do is start to

730
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: raid their libel and kind of question the companies a

731
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: little bit, because there are a lot of sustainable, well

732
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: eco friendly, sustainable, or getting like.

733
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: You see these names thrown around with the marketing.

734
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 3: Skill and that's just greenwashing unless you, as a consumer,

735
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 3: really hold them to it. So really check the label,

736
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 3: check their processes, make sure that it's actually environmental, which

737
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: is a little bit more effort, but it's rewarding if

738
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 3: you know you've invested in something legit.

739
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: Can you explain greenwashing?

740
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's basically I mean, it's like this is

741
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: it's one of my favorite topics because there's so much

742
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 3: to like bust and call out and greenwashing. Like it's

743
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 3: it's where you think, you know, you advertise something as environmental,

744
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: but it's not actually environmental. So you've washed something that

745
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 3: isn't maybe like a white pick of fence, but you've

746
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: washed it green, and you're like, it's ego because it's green.

747
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: You know. It's like all these natural anything that has

748
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: a natural label or a leaf on it or it

749
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 3: says green. All of these marketing claims as you said,

750
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 3: that are not regulated, are not enforced. There's no certification

751
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 3: that is that they've had to go through to be

752
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: able to claim green or eco or natural or any

753
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: of them, even plastic free. Like no one is, no

754
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: one is regulating these claims. So it's all greenwashing. It's

755
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: all just like claiming to be ego, and we're so

756
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: we fall for it because our ethics, our hearts are

757
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 3: in the right place, and so we're like, it's and

758
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 3: that's what I say about with veganism as well, with

759
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 3: any sort of like hard boundary we set ethically, and

760
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: with any sort of ideology that we choose to kind

761
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: of like attach or align with. It's like, all right, yeah,

762
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: hold your boundary. But if you have just a one

763
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 3: sentence definition that you're adhering to, you better be open.

764
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: You better be I'm doing a lot of research to

765
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: back that up. You know, like I'm plastic free, but

766
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: what does that really mean? Like I have to go

767
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 3: and like look at all these labels to know what's

768
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 3: in my clothing to make sure I'm really plastic free.

769
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: You know, I have to go so deep on all that.

770
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: If you're just reading Eco Green Natural, you have to

771
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: read the ingredients. If you're just reading gluten free, you

772
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: have to read the ingredients to make sure it's actually

773
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: healthy for you. You know, you're trying to make a

774
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: decision for your health. Yeah, you know. It's like go

775
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 3: deeper than just believing the company, this massive company that's like, oh,

776
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: we'll just put green on the label and we know

777
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: people to buy it. We'll just package it in like

778
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: cardboard and we know people will be like that's eco.

779
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: Like we have to be a little bit more committed

780
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: to the cause in order to see through all this bullshit.

781
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 2: I freaking love that you just went there, So thank

782
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: you for sharing, because even for me, I know that

783
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: I've one hundred percent full in victim and probably been

784
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: a little bit lazy if I'm honest. I mean, like, oh, yep,

785
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 2: that says sustainable. I'm gonna buy that with.

786
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 3: It because you trust them.

787
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, but we know.

788
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: I think when I teach all my nutrition clients, I'm like,

789
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: be a detective, slip the label over if I always say,

790
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: for what feels like you're in year eleven chemistry class,

791
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 2: the ingredient list is probably not going to nourish the body,

792
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: and the meal might outlive you, Like you don't want that, right,

793
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: And it's the same kind of thing like what I

794
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: love about your book I quit plastics, which anybody that

795
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: is listening to this going, oh, I want to learn more.

796
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: It feels a bit overwhelming, but I know I want

797
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: to learn more.

798
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: What I love about your book it's got a bit

799
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: is it sixty DIY recipes for just kind of like

800
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: changing your life.

801
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: But this is what why I'm so pumped.

802
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: Have you on the podcast, You're so approachable and because

803
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: you're anti the guilt thing. It's like, hey, have you

804
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: thought about trying this? And you've got recipes for toothpaste.

805
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: And shampoo but also like raw vegan treaty.

806
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and chips and crackers and dips, all the usual

807
00:39:58,120 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 3: plastic stuff. Yeah.

808
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 2: But I And that's what I love about your book.

809
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: It's very approachable, it's very just easy, and I don't

810
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: think you feel like and I don't feel like I

811
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: need to implement all of this overnight.

812
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 1: By night.

813
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 2: I can just feel a bit inspired and be like, oh,

814
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: I'm going to try that, I'm going to take Like

815
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: even after preparing this podcast, I was like, boss, we need.

816
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: To figure out our shampoo and conditioners. Yeah, this is

817
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: my nickname for my boyfriend brother. And you know, it's

818
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: just little things.

819
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 2: So anybody that wants to learn more out there, especially

820
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: DIY stuff, I would highly recommend your book.

821
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: I've Got Plastics, which is now available on your website

822
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah.

823
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and lots of independent little book stores around Australia.

824
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: I saw I have Utopia, which is where I order.

825
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 2: I love ordering all my ownlinecause it's so fast.

826
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 3: Okay, but that's a great I just want to say

827
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: that you don't have to diy your way into this

828
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: lifestyle too, Like, we are so fortunate that so many

829
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 3: little markets are popping up, so many makers. You can

830
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: buy shampoo bars, you can buy toothpaste tabs. You know,

831
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: there's so many plastic free options out there, and then

832
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: supporting an individual who is in the.

833
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: DA way, yeah brush, I've with your bamboo tooth brush.

834
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

835
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 3: And so there's a lot of greenwashing out there. So

836
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: if you need advice on the right people, please come

837
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 3: find me plastic free ramaid on all the channels, because

838
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: I will help you navigate what is real and what's not.

839
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: Like the bamboo toothbrush, there's only one that has actually

840
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: one hundred percent bio based bristles. Most of them are

841
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: like Ego toothbrush, one d percent biodegradable and they're not.

842
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: So that's a big one that a lot of them

843
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 3: don't even realize too.

844
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: I know, mental I got sent like a sustainable, compostable,

845
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: bidegradable gift yesterday, but it was in a plastic like

846
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 2: plastic bubble.

847
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 3: Like and I was just like, oh, but even.

848
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: Me, Like I own a coffee company and we send

849
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: out our coffee, but we wrap it.

850
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: Usually in the more.

851
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's called. It's like the cool

852
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: it looks like woodsy paper. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the

853
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: gym it's called gym paper. But basically it's like it's

854
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: the more with the slits in it.

855
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, got it.

856
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: I don't know what it's called though, but some when

857
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 2: we first started, the boxes of coffee were all getting

858
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: squashed in the mail, and we started using bubble up

859
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: because we're like, it's the only thing that's going to

860
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: protect it. So I can I understand both ends, Like,

861
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 2: as the consumer, you want to make the right choice.

862
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: And my mum, who's like fuller eco warrior, pulled me

863
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: outside away and she's like, what's going on with the

864
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:22,280
Speaker 2: coffee packaging?

865
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: So she was like do not Yeah, what a.

866
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: Legend, mama.

867
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: Mummiused to go to my smoothie bar.

868
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 2: She was like, I've got my own container, and she'd

869
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 2: get us her coffee dates smoothie Maide every every week

870
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 2: and she'd bring her own like we did a sneakers slice,

871
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: which I know, oh yeah, and she just bring a

872
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 2: little plate and she like, put on my plate, I'll

873
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: have it here. Yeah, she's as a kid should always

874
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 2: be like we're buying our worm guarden today, we're sitting up.

875
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 3: She's always been that is amazing. We have so much

876
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: to learn from like our holders, and the kids too,

877
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 3: like it's just such a lesson and listening intra generally,

878
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: like the kids are so onto the dolphins and the turtles.

879
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 3: The adults many of them like remember back in their

880
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: day when they did more, they had the milkman or whatever.

881
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 3: That's what we need to remember and start implementing more

882
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 3: of these reuse, repurpose systems, because that's what really works.

883
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 3: That's the real solution, none of this disposable stuff.

884
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: My mom said with COVID stuff.

885
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: She's like, you know, we're actually living a more simple

886
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: lifestyle because we were you know, at home more. We

887
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: were cooking more meals from scratch. We weren't getting fast food,

888
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 2: we weren't getting take away we were And she's like,

889
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: you know, this is how she's like my grandparents lived. Wow,

890
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: And I was like, mate, and you quickly figured out.

891
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: But did you like cause I felt that way too,

892
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 3: Like up here we started growing way more food. Everybody

893
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: like you couldn't buy chickens because everybody was buying chickens,

894
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: and you know it was just like like everyone with

895
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: Bunnings was sold out of seedlings. Like this was just

896
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: so cool. But in the States, in LA in particular,

897
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: and a lot of my friends were saying that they

898
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: were just ordering everything, all the food, like they were

899
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 3: ordering war more food online so they were getting so

900
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 3: much more delivery. So it was just more and more

901
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: plastic containers. Did you experience that at all?

902
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: Or in so Melbourne, where I lived before this, we

903
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: had two lockdowns.

904
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: So in the first one.

905
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: Which was shorter, it was six weeks, it was the

906
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: same one that I think was national.

907
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: Yes, everyone was like.

908
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: Ubery, like just take away, take away, but I think

909
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 2: people felt like their health was compromised and the end

910
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: of that and I put on a bit if they

911
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: call it the COVID kilos inway true. And so the

912
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: second time round, I don't think that happened as much

913
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: big Well, I know within my community we were Matt

914
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,879
Speaker 2: and I we were like, oh, we feel like a treat.

915
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: Let's let's go get some armor meal and let's make

916
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: it from scratch. And I remember the only thing we

917
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: actually went out and bought was a pie dish that

918
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: we kept using over and over again to keep making

919
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: it so for us it worked well, but I get

920
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: that everybody's having a different experience. I do quickly want

921
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: to talk to you about the harmful effectives in our

922
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: ystrogens and the class stas on human beings, because even

923
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: if you've got here because of the environmental petro, it's

924
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: also the pictre on your own health.

925
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. I love talking about this because I've

926
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 3: had probably three major plastics awakening awakenings in my journey. First,

927
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: when I realized that I was you know, the first

928
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 3: major awakening where I was like, plastic doesn't vitigrade, and

929
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: I use so much of it on a daily basis.

930
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 3: I have to quit this stuff. And then kind of

931
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 3: just realizing that everything was a single use plastic, like nothing.

932
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 3: We can reuse a lot of things, we can repurpose

933
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: a lot of things, but it's still just packaged. You know,

934
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 3: all these shampoo bottles and trip chip bags, all of

935
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: this stuff is single use. And then the third, oh gosh,

936
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 3: like it's so bad and it's never Yeah, So that

937
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: was another hard one. And then the third big one

938
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: was that it actually acts like estrogen in our body,

939
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 3: so we are we are basically dosing ourself with this

940
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: sex hormone, and we have receptors around our body for

941
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: different hormones like hunger. We have way more receptors for

942
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: estrogen around our body, way more than hunger or any

943
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: other hormones. So when we ingest or we mostly ingest

944
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 3: plastic through a variety of means, which I'll get to,

945
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 3: But when we expose ourself to this estrogen, it's triggering

946
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 3: all of these receptors all of our body. Telling our body,

947
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 3: which can't tell the difference between synthetic estrogen and the

948
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 3: natural occurring hormone, it's telling our body estrogen estrogen estrogen,

949
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: which leads to weight gain, which leads to reproductive disorders,

950
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 3: which lead to mood fluctuations. Like it kind of has

951
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: that effect like you're pregnant or like you're on your period.

952
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 3: Like it's an understandable reaction, and it's causing you know,

953
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: a lot of really negative health impacts, not just globally,

954
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: in communities all over the world, because everybody, no one

955
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 3: is immune to plastic, so we're all so exposed to

956
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: it because it's such a ubiquitous material, because it's so cheap,

957
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 3: which is yeah, a reason to just try and phase

958
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 3: it out. Yes, for the whales and dolphin in the environment. Yes,

959
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 3: because it's the responsible thing to do, but also because

960
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 3: we want to prevent against our own uh diseases. We

961
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: want to prevent against heart disease, cancers. I mean, it's

962
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 3: a if you think about it, it's a swelling, it's

963
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: a growth impact. It's causing cells to grow and to

964
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 3: So that's that's cancer, that's obesity, that's heart disease, and

965
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 3: that is it can because it's a sex form when

966
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: it can affect our reproductive system, so it can lead

967
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: to infertility. Do you want me to go into how

968
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 3: we expose ourselves to USA? Okay, So there's two ways.

969
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 3: Like we have the flakes, so the actual particles, so

970
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: we know that anytime we crinkle plastic wrapping or or

971
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,240
Speaker 3: a chip bag, or we take a lid on and off,

972
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: any sort of touching of that plastic sheds little plastic particles,

973
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: little microplastics. Even walking on synthetic carpets or drawing synthetic curtains,

974
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 3: or sitting in a synthetic chair, like all of that

975
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 3: is causing that plastic to adjust and rustle and shed

976
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 3: these little plastics. So, and plastic is really buoyant. We've

977
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 3: all seen a plastic bag in the wind, like it

978
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 3: hovers in the air. So it's in the air, it

979
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: settles as dust. We breathe it in, so we're inhaling

980
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,880
Speaker 3: so much plastic, especially at stop lights and stop signs,

981
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 3: like all the tire dust. We're breathing that all in.

982
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: So like hold your breath so we can inhale it.

983
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: It also sheds into the chips, or it sheds into

984
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: the water bottle or wherever. And so then we drink it.

985
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: That plastic kind of receipt paper, you know, when you

986
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: keep it apa it's.

987
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 3: Coated in plastic. Yeah, so you don't touch your receipts,

988
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 3: don't you do it all electronic? Take a picture and

989
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 3: then let the cashier throw it away. Some people carry

990
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 3: like a special container for their receipts. If they still

991
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 3: keep them, you can have them put the receipt in there,

992
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: you know, exposing them to the plastic. Game. So that's

993
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 3: when you just don't you don't want to touch those.

994
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: It's a really toxic plastic and so but that's that's

995
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: more the chemical, that's the leaching, so we're still on particles.

996
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: So the particulate plastic shedding, we inhale it, we drink it,

997
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: if it's in shedding from our tupperware container, whatever, then

998
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: we have the chemical exposure. So not only does plastic

999
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: degrade over time and flake these nasty little particles, but

1000
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 3: it also is infused with all these different chemical additives,

1001
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: so you know, different chemicals to give it color or

1002
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 3: opacity or malleability or flexibility or whatever it is to

1003
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: give it plastic all these other wonderful characteristics that we

1004
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 3: love plastics so much. For all these additives and chemicals,

1005
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 3: they all mash up to make this crazy, usually toxic

1006
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 3: combo that is not labeled anywhere, so we don't know

1007
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: what we're actually being exposed to. But we do know

1008
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 3: that most of the plastics that are labeled with the

1009
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: little green washing recycling number on the bottom, even those

1010
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 3: plastics are toxic, so they leach their chemical toxicity into

1011
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 3: whatever they're containing and often into the air. So when

1012
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 3: they're fresh, brand new plastics, they'll off gas, so a

1013
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 3: lot of those chemicals will just like seep out into

1014
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 3: the air. So when you get in a brand new

1015
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 3: car and you smell that brand new car smell. That's

1016
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 3: the plastic off gasing toxins.

1017
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know that's bad. That's bad for you.

1018
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: So not only are they doing that, but there's three

1019
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 3: like circumstances for plastic to leach these toxic chemicals. Heat, fat,

1020
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 3: and duration. So anytime plastic it's holding something hot.

1021
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: So coffee coffee, because that lining's no good run.

1022
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: It's plastic, even the plant based linings there, it's not

1023
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: just a leaf in there. There's some chemical additives that

1024
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: been added to this bio base, and we don't know

1025
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 3: what those are, even most of the distributors don't know

1026
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 3: what they are. So do you want to risk it?

1027
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 3: Or do you want to just bring your own cup

1028
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 3: that's like ceramic and beautiful and you're like just looking

1029
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: like a legend at the cafe. I just think like,

1030
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: that's my motto is just keep it simple and you

1031
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 3: don't have to worry about what you're exposing your body to.

1032
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 3: We're already exposed to so many toxins and pollutants, Like,

1033
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: keep it simple. So yes, heat, if you put something

1034
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 3: hot into plastic, that plastic is definitely leaching into your beverage.

1035
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: If it's hot out if you're in a hot climate,

1036
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: like we are all in your Like you know, plastic

1037
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: bottles are being delivered to a restaurant and then they

1038
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 3: get put in the fridge, but it's hot when they're

1039
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 3: being delivered, that plastic is leaching into the water, regardless

1040
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 3: of whether they make it to a fridge later in

1041
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 3: their life. So heat causes plastic to leach these toxins fat.

1042
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 3: So these toxins are lipophilic, so they're attracted to fat.

1043
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: So again, if you have a hot coffee, or say

1044
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 3: you have a cold coffee and you're in a plastic cup,

1045
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 3: but you put milk into that coffee, then the plastic

1046
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,919
Speaker 3: is still going to leach because it's like, ooh, what's

1047
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: that fat. We're gonna go over there. And it goes

1048
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 3: to that. This is true for also like beauty products

1049
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 3: and things that have fat in them.

1050
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: Most of them have hate, most of them have.

1051
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 3: Creams, and you know, all these oils and things that

1052
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 3: are so good for our skin, but not if they're

1053
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: stored in plastic. Because I mean the plastic, like, these

1054
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: toxins are aging for sure, Like they're causing us to

1055
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 3: have all sorts of health problems that we are not

1056
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 3: going for when we're using beauty products, you know, so fat.

1057
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 3: You know. This is also like our takeaway containers. If

1058
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: you put hot you know, noodles with oil, like it's

1059
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 3: leaching all toxins into your food. It's just not worth it.

1060
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 3: And then the third is duration, So it's like any

1061
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: timeframe as going to each but especially if it's been

1062
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: sitting on a shelf for a while, it's slowly making

1063
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 3: its way into whatever it's containing.

1064
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: Dude, do you know I could talk to you all

1065
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 2: frigging day about this. I just just for listeners that

1066
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: are like, Okay, I'm I'm inspired, I'm ready to go.

1067
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: What are three if you if people could just do

1068
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: three things today, yep, to look after yes, the ocean.

1069
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 1: Also ourselves and mother nature in general.

1070
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 3: I think incorporating reusables into your daily routine. So bringing

1071
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 3: your reasonable water bottle is a super healthy practice to bring.

1072
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: I mean, just so good to stay hydrated and also

1073
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: just to have that vessel on you in case you

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Speaker 3: want to get a coffee in there, or you want

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Speaker 3: to get some kombuta or whatever. If if coffee is

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00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 3: your thing, bring your coffee cup, keep it in your bag.

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Speaker 3: Maybe bring a reusable produce bag to put your coffee

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Speaker 3: cup in so it doesn't spill all over things. You know,

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00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 3: start to build these habits. If you're going to have reasonables.

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00:53:57,800 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 3: Then the second thing is that you need to incorpor

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Speaker 3: rate a washing routine into your life. So like, switch

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Speaker 3: your mindset around washing up, because it's going to be

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00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 3: an essential part of your life if you're going to

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00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 3: replace disposable plastics with your reusables, which is my first tip,

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Speaker 3: So the second tip is to switch your mindset around washing.

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00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 3: You want to rinse all your reusables straight away so

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00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: that they don't get crusty with coffee, with a smoothie, whatever.

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00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: You've rinsed them at a cafe or you know wherever,

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00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 3: and then at home it's less of a process and

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00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 3: less of a chore to keep these things clean and

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00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 3: you build a positive association with this, this reuse system

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00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 3: that you've implemented in your life. So bring reasonables. Wash up.

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Speaker 3: And then the third is to I would say, buy

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Speaker 3: fresh food. Just start supporting your local farmers. You know,

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00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 3: most of our plastics that were incorporating or we're bringing

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00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 3: into our life that we're exposing ourself to as packaged

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00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: around food. So start buying more fresh fruits and vegetables.

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00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: They're healthier for you anyways. Yeah, and you'll probably need

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Speaker 3: a compost system because if you don't have the packaged food,

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Speaker 3: then you're gonna have the natural packaging, which is the

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00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: skins and the pits and the seeds. So try and

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Speaker 3: plant those seeds. You'll be surprised a lot of them

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00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 3: will grow and otherwise throw them out. And then I'm

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Speaker 3: just going to say a fourth one because maybe I

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Speaker 3: can combine the first two and don't be afraid to

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00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 3: make stuff. Try to make your own toothpaste, make your

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00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: own deodorant. The recipes are so simple, it's so basic.

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00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 3: It's like coconut oil bycarb arrow rude or cornstarch, Like

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00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: that's deodorant. It's done. So yeah, just get a little

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Speaker 3: bit more involved in the things that you use and

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Speaker 3: put on your body.

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Speaker 2: Oh do you know my next challenge I'm going to

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00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: get rid of my bin line is because I saw

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00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: that on your Instagram. I was like, that's my next

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Speaker 2: good for you got a backyard now so we can

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Speaker 2: plant out. Yeah. I'm going to end on a beautiful

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Speaker 2: quote I found actually on your Instagram.

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Speaker 1: What if we only took what we need? How good? Right,

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Speaker 1: so true? Thank you so much for you daring so

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Speaker 1: much of your time.

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Speaker 2: I'll put all your installnks to use Uber Links, book Link.

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Speaker 2: I can't speak highly enough of I quit plastics.

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Speaker 1: Love it. Also, I'm going to hold you to an

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Speaker 1: Orca way or retreat one day, and I'm the.

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Speaker 2: First person signing up. I'll be petrified, but I just

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00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: love Orcas so much.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. Great car, I'll do it.

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Speaker 1: Also, done deal. Thank you, Thank you, Lola.

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Speaker 2: That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing. As always,

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Speaker 2: thank you to our guests, and let's continue the conversation

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Speaker 2: on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I'm at Yamo Lola Berry.

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