1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: This episode of Two Good Sports was recorded on Warundery 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: and Gadda good Land. This land was never seated, always 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: was always will be. Hello and welcome to two Good 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Sports sports news told differently. 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: I'm Georgie Tunney and joining me again this. 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 3: Week is miss Nevas. Is that my bit is that 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 3: when I come in, that's that's when you come in. 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: We didn't rehearse it, but we nailed it. We nailed 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: it me. I'm back Nevo. 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: We absolutely loved having you on the podcast last week. 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: Thrilled that you could be back with us. You want 12 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: to kick off good sport, bad sport. We're kicking off 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: with a good sport or a bad sport. 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: I'm going good sport again. I liked it. 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 4: I got to play good cop last week and you 16 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 4: played bad cop. I appreciated that. So look I'm leaning 17 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 4: back in. I did an a leagues game on the weekend, George. 18 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 4: We're out at Campbelltown Stadium, Sydney f C playing MacArthur 19 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 4: Bulls and there was a red card about thirty minutes in. 20 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 3: You know when it's a couple of tackles, few players. 21 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 4: On the ground and everything pauses and you know what 22 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,639 Speaker 4: VA video ref. Someone's having a word in the referees 23 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 4: here and he came on over. 24 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:04,919 Speaker 3: He had a look at the screen. 25 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 4: But my good sport is because Joe Lolly, the Blokeku 26 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 4: was tackled, the bloke who was at the receiving end 27 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 4: of the allegedly red card. 28 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: Bad moment. Yes, he was said to the ref, No, mate, 29 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 3: there wasn't enough contact there, don't send him off. He intervened, 30 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 3: He inter intervened, the ref didn't listen, still produce the 31 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,639 Speaker 3: red card ended up off the park. 32 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 4: But I was talking to Joe Lolly afterwards and he 33 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 4: said it again in our conversation it shouldn't have been 34 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 4: a red and I appreciated that. 35 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: I find this fascinating Nevo because as someone who you know, 36 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: grew up watching rugby league like that's my footy, right, 37 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: you grew up watching both. How do you feel about 38 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: diving in the game? 39 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: Oh not a fan? Ye're not a fan. We don't 40 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: need it. And do you know what, it doesn't happen 41 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: in women's football. 42 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: Yes, I would totally agree with this as well, like 43 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: us covering the w League back then, but a league 44 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: women's like us covering that for so many years, You 45 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: just never saw it. It didn't exist. So I would 46 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: actually watch men's football and be like, what is happening here? 47 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's with the rolling around on the ground? 48 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 4: Completely agree, although in this case, just to be clear, 49 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: there was no rolling around on the ground. 50 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: That's right. 51 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: It was no dive and Molly was trying to be 52 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: like guys, no, no, no, no, no, I'm fine. 53 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 3: I'm fine. 54 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: At first glance, though, did it look innocuous or did 55 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: it look quite specky and that you were like, oh, 56 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: you know the VA, this is the right call. 57 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 4: It looked innocuous, and then you saw the replane you thought. 58 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 3: Oh, studs up. However, if the player says yes, studs 59 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 3: were up, but look contact was minimal, yeah, I'm happy 60 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 3: to go with the player on that. 61 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: My good sport bad sport. 62 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 1: This week I'm awarding both to one Miss Taylor Allison 63 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: Swift because she's a good sport because she has gifted 64 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: me with another amazing album. She is a bad sport 65 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: because she gifted me with another amazing album. And I 66 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: was meant to be productive this weekend. Did I do 67 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: anything other than cry and listen to this album? No? 68 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: No, I didn't. 69 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 3: I did not why is it so just sad album? George? 70 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 3: I thought she was in a good place. 71 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: She is now, she is now, but this album tackles 72 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: a period of her life where she was very manic, 73 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: very very manic. 74 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 2: And so I've really liked Lentin. 75 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: I've lent in not even the Broncos win and I 76 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: was like Rees Welsh being amazing. I was just like, yes, boys, 77 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: I think. 78 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: Not enough, We're still gonna win the premiership. 79 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: But that's okay, Oh George, I know, I know my 80 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: good sport bad sport. But you know, of course she wins. 81 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: Of course she wins both because she wins everything. 82 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 4: I just can't believe we got this far into the 83 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 4: episode before Tay was mention. 84 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I am a professional because. 85 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 3: That is remarkable effort, the restraint shown. 86 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: Well. 87 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: I am very excited though, to talk about our main 88 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: topic of discussion, Nevo, because I feel like we can 89 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: take this chat into so many different areas. But if 90 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: you have existed just in the world, and you have 91 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: a social media account and you have a pulse, you 92 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: would have been seeing the name Caitlyn Clark pop up everywhere. 93 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: And if you haven't actually gone and clicked on it 94 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: and looked through the headlines and seen exactly what this 95 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: all is about. Nivo and I have you covered because 96 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: she is taking over world basketball. She is changing the game, 97 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: But I'm honestly, at the moment, I don't think that 98 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: the game itself is keeping up with her. So how 99 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: did these incredible codes? Is incredible world sports cope when 100 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: they have a player of the caliber as someone as 101 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Clark. 102 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 2: We'll get into our deep dive next. 103 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: So, Nevo, when was the first time, if you can 104 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: remember clearly, the first time that you kind of started 105 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: noticing the name Caitlyn Clark. 106 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: Do you know what in the last few months, George, 107 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 3: and I think for a lot of people, twelve months ago, 108 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 3: they wouldn't have known the name at all outside the 109 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 3: college basketball system and die hard fans of collegiate basketball 110 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: in the US. But March Madness this year felt like 111 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: it really was insane, And all of a sudden, she 112 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: started popping up in Nike advertisements and they were doing 113 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: some really cool stuff online with that unveil, and you 114 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 3: started to dive a little bit deeper into why people 115 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,679 Speaker 3: really were going crazy about Caitlyn Clark. What clarkconomics actually 116 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: are I. 117 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 2: Love those clock stomics? 118 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, see for me as well, I feel like 119 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: it really has You've nailed it with the March madness 120 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: right and with the WNBA draft approaching and the lead 121 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: up to all of that and what happened thereafter. But 122 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: I think that the story of Kaitlyn Clark really became 123 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: an international one because people started to share things that 124 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: she was doing on the court, and people were interested 125 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: there was she was taking over social media feeds, so 126 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: you could kind of grasp the relevance of her in 127 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: a broader set to what she was doing and what 128 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: she means for basketball, the sport itself. So let's go back, 129 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 1: because Caitlyn Clark, she's an incredible basketball player. That seems 130 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: to be a very simplistic way of summing up exactly 131 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: who this person is right now, but she is the 132 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: name on everybody's lips, every basketball fans lives. For instance, 133 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: I was just at the gym just before we came 134 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: in to record this episode, and I was talking to 135 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: my personal trainer and I said, have you have you 136 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: heard of Kaitlyn Clark? And he actually stopped walking and 137 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: was like, I love her, and this is someone who 138 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I know follows basketball a little bit, but 139 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: has been completely drawn into her story. And I think 140 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: that she is a story really at its heart about 141 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: being a role model and being this prophetic talent that 142 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: can then go on to change the game itself, because 143 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: she started up playing so many different sports when she 144 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: was younger, if we go back to her actual childhood, 145 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: but she's stuck with basketball because and I love I 146 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: heard this story while I was researching her history, and 147 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: apparently she used to play basketball so much just at 148 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: her home on the driveway. Her dad had set up 149 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: like a little mini court for her just and had 150 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: cut like this little driveway into the grass. Then had 151 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: to keep extending the driveway because her shoots at the 152 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: hoop were so good. 153 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 3: And she less grass, more driveway needed, more driveway needed. 154 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: So that she could keep improving just how far back 155 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: she was just nailing these shots. And from there she 156 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: just stuck with basketball. There was a chance that she 157 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: was going to play soccer, but from pretty early on, 158 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: I think it was clear that people knew that she 159 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: was going to be something something pretty special. 160 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 4: Well, game recognizes game as well, right, So Sam Kerr 161 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 4: has already shown that she's got a Caitlin Clark jersey. Yeah, 162 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 4: both Nike athletes. But I love that because it means 163 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 4: that all of a sudden, that impact that she has, 164 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 4: and you described her as a game changer, George, and 165 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 4: that is exactly what she's going to be. And that 166 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 4: changing the game can happen inside basketball, yeah, but it 167 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 4: can also happen internationally for basketball, and it can happen 168 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 4: more broadly for women's sports. And for both of those athletes, 169 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 4: Sam Kerr and Caitlyn Clark, they have the ability to 170 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: cause these gender pay equity conversations, for example, across the world, 171 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 4: across sport, across our communities, and so they can drive 172 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 4: change beyond the basketball court, beyond the football field, And 173 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 4: that is such an incredible thing, especially in someone who 174 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 4: has literally just turned pro, yes only just now. 175 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: I mean she's twenty two years old, she's from Iowa, 176 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: she's six foot tall, she fell in love with basketball 177 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: at a really early age, decided to pursue it as 178 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: a full on career. If we truncate that history, just 179 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: know she was it's very very very very very very 180 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: very with three underlines good. 181 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: She was so good. 182 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 4: O'Neil has described her gone on the record and said 183 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 4: she is the best female collegiate player ever. Wow, Steph Curry, 184 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 4: She's already broken his three point record in a season, 185 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 4: and Steph Curry has said, I love the comparisons between 186 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 4: us because she is incredible. 187 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: And it goes back to her training on her driveway 188 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: just being able to shoot it from anywhere, because that's 189 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: what Steph Curry is so good at, right, Like he 190 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: just looks like he's having fun because odds are he 191 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: just puts the ball up, it's going to go straight 192 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: through the hoop. And this is what we're seeing with 193 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark, and this is what I mean by she 194 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: is that absolute natural talent, but then you meet that 195 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: with drive and you've somehow created She's got comparisons to 196 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan. And I'm not sure, Nevo, if you've seen 197 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: that incredible documentary Last Dance on Netflix that follows Michael 198 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 1: Jordan's career and his life. 199 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 2: But in that my biggest takeaway was just how. 200 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: Almost unlikable he was as a teammate because he was 201 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: so good and he held himself to such a high standard. 202 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: And there has been some rhetoric going around now that 203 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark. You know, she breaks every single record you 204 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: possibly could in junior school basketball, in high school basketball, 205 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: goes to college, breaks all of the records there as well, 206 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: and people. 207 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: Go, oh, yeah, but she's kind of like she's a 208 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 2: little bit prickly. 209 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: She can be a little bit prickly because you know, 210 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: she thinks that everyone should be as good as her. 211 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: Not necessarily everyone can be as good as her. Not 212 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: everyone is willing to be as disciplined as her or 213 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: put in that much training as her. And I'm really 214 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: not sure if I like that kind of rhetoric nevo, 215 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: because I feel like, if it is, I think it 216 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: is a gendered thing. Because for Michael Jordan, people just 217 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: held him up and was just like, God, he's just 218 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 1: so cutthroat, isn't he He's just got that laser like focus. 219 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: But then you have it for Kaitlyn Clark, and people go, oh, is. 220 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: She a bit bitchy? She a bit of a cat? Like, 221 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: what's what's happening with this? 222 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't be too aggressive, don't be too competitive. Yeah yeah, 223 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 4: be the best in the world, but do it in 224 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 4: this really beautiful, nice, friendly kind way. And you know what, 225 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: more broadly, I love listening to her off the court, 226 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 4: the stories that she tells, the way she engages fans 227 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 4: is incredible and is nice and friendly and all of 228 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 4: those things that, hey, we want from our female athletes, 229 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 4: from our female leaders. But it's just happened in the 230 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 4: Barbie movie, didn't it. It's like, be the best, do 231 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 4: it in a beautiful way. Also look the best, but 232 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 4: don't look too good. Yeah, you know, And that's the 233 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 4: same as the Kaitlyn Clark effect, isn't it. We have 234 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 4: these expectations, we have a way that we speak about 235 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 4: male athletes, and we have these different expectations and a 236 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 4: different way that we speak about female athletes. 237 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,439 Speaker 3: But the great thing is, George, it causes conversations. 238 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, conversations like this, and conversations that lots of people 239 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 1: are having in a game that is still so dominated 240 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: by the men's game. Yeah, you know, the NBA versus 241 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: the WNBA, they're completely different. But before we get into 242 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: exactly what's happened now and the disparity that still exists there, 243 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: I think it is important to truly just hammer home 244 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: how good Caitlin Clark is in that throughout her college 245 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: basketball career. And you're right, Nevo. People take college ball 246 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: very seriously. A few years ago, I went to the 247 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: States on a fellowship. I was touring around lots of 248 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: different colleges and I got to witness it. And I 249 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: went to some NC DOUBLEA games of basketball, and the 250 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: fans there are like as passionate as you and I, 251 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: and even on a State of Origin night like, they 252 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: take that so seriously. It is life and death for them. 253 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: And she was packing out stadiums. She was, and it 254 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: was really just her and her games. I'm confident in 255 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: saying it's her. She was the reason that there was 256 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: record breaking viewership for college games. 257 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: Like series that she was a part. 258 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 1: Of got ten million viewers compared to the WNBA Finals series, 259 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: which you know, got like a tenth of that. 260 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 3: And the thing is, George, she's packing stadiums for home 261 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 3: games for the teams that she plays for, but also 262 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: for away games, yes, and so opposition fans want to 263 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 3: see her play as well. And that's the spike we've seen. 264 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 3: We talk about clarkconomics. 265 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 4: It's not just for the teams she plays plays for 266 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 4: that have ticket price spikes. So Indiana Fever home games, 267 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 4: their ticket prices are jumped by one hundred and thirty 268 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 4: three percent. Already, traffic across their social pages is up 269 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty percent, and that those numbers were 270 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 4: before they signed her. Yeah, nuts, because they thought she 271 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 4: was coming. So the impact that she has is on 272 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 4: the court and the stadiums that she's feeling, but it's 273 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 4: also in terms of broadcast as you say, record numbers 274 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 4: of eyeballs watch those games, and record numbers of fans 275 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 4: wanting to be at games that she has the potential 276 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 4: to play at in the future. 277 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: Do you think that, I mean, all of this sounds 278 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: like a lot of pressure to put on one person, 279 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: and I know that American athletes seem to be built 280 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: a little bit differently. I mean, Americans in general, they 281 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: seem to be able to like welcome it and be like, yeah, guys, 282 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: give it to me, like I want all of the 283 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: attention kind of thing. But I mean, surely you it's 284 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: hard not to buckle underneath that too. 285 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: And that's where I think she has been so remarkable 286 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 4: so far. For someone so young and really so new 287 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 4: to this sporting professional journey, she has this amazing ability 288 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: to articulate herself to connect with fans. She seems to understand, 289 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 4: and she talks about female sports stars who are her 290 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 4: idols growing up. I love that as well. She doesn't 291 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: just name the Michael Jordan's and the Shaquille o'neils. She 292 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 4: has female basketball legends that she grew up admiring, and 293 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 4: she seems to really recognize the responsibility that comes with 294 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 4: being an incredible standout athlete, but also an incredible standout 295 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 4: female athlete and the power then that she holds to, 296 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 4: as we said earlier, change basketball, but also change the 297 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 4: sporting landscape for female athletes more broadly. And that kind 298 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 4: of recognition for someone so young feels pretty incredible. It 299 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 4: feels like she has an understanding off the court that 300 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 4: will help her achieve what. 301 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 3: She can achieve on it. 302 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: And it's so interesting that you raise that because I 303 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: feel that she has learned that from her ultimate role model, 304 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: who she's on the record of saying is Serena Williams. Yeah, 305 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: like there's I mean, if you're trying to emulate someone's 306 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: career and the change that is possible within the sport 307 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: that you love, I don't think that there is a 308 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 1: better role model than that. So Caitlin Clark, she is 309 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: playing for Iowa and College. She's been there for a 310 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: few years. She's completely changing the landscape of that team 311 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: in particular, and also just viewers minds, fans minds, people 312 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: start following exactly what she's doing more than they're even 313 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: looking at the men's game some way, and we know 314 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: how big the NBA is in America as well. But 315 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: then there's the discussion which happens where it's like, do 316 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: college athletes go pro? Now? Why this was actually a 317 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: big bit of a conversation and a bit of a 318 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: talking point in with Caitlyn Clark in particular, is that 319 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: a few years ago the rules change. So it used 320 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: to be that college athletes couldn't earn any income from 321 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: the use of their name or any branding, sponsorships, things 322 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: like that, because they're student athletes, right, They're not meant 323 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: to be getting paid. That changed, and so while she 324 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: is breaking all of these records for Iowa, she starts 325 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: earning some pretty big dollars. She gets the Nike sponsorships, 326 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: she gets all of the attention. 327 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 4: She does different as a Caitlin Clark Cereal, That's what 328 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 4: I want. 329 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: I'd love to have a breakfast cereal. 330 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark Cereal Clarkonomics. Yes, what would your breakfast cereal be? 331 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 4: It would be musically related, some kind of a combination. 332 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to put some thought into this, George, 333 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 4: because you want to get this right. 334 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, what would your cereal be? 335 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 3: Oh? 336 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: Do you know what? Originally it would have been? 337 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: It already exists, like cocoa pops, like a chocolate milkshake 338 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: on the crumbchy, because I love chocolate milkshake, Like that's 339 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: who I am as a human. 340 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 2: But right now it has to have something with cranberryes 341 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: in it. I just love that, you know. Yeah? Yeah, God, 342 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: where's such a wet. 343 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 3: Big shift? 344 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 4: Isn't it? Basically a chocolate milk in a bowl? 345 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 3: To Oh, some cranberries. 346 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 2: Would be great. It's growing up, Nevo. It's called maturing. 347 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 3: I was so much more adult than I was anticipating. 348 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 3: I'm so proud of you right now, George. 349 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:41,719 Speaker 2: I love it. 350 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: When we have Caitlin and we'll get Caitlin on the 351 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: show and it'll be the three of us just with 352 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: our own cereals. 353 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 2: It'll be amazing. We need to taste test, yeah. 354 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 3: More than reports only. 355 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 4: See. 356 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: I love this. I love this. So she's broken every 357 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 2: single record. But why why this. 358 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: Is a conversation because she has her own cereal, so 359 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: she can earn lots of money if she stayed in 360 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: college ball for just another year. Whereas if she was 361 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: decided to go pro and go to the WNBA, which 362 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: she has now decided to do, and we had the 363 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: draft and all of these things, she's only going to 364 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: earn around seventy six thousand dollars in her first season, 365 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: Like that is the base salary for what you can 366 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: earn as a w NBA player in your first year. 367 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 4: And obviously that's outside of all the sponsorship dollars that 368 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 4: will continue to roll in because she's a goddamn superstar. 369 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: Yes, of course, of course, So I mean she's not 370 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: going to be doing badly. She's not going to be 371 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: doing badly, let's just make that clear. But what I 372 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: want to focus in on is the choice from her 373 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 1: to go to the WNBA to pursue that as being 374 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: a professional athlete, because I think that it has the 375 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: potential to improve things and change things for the better 376 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 1: when it comes to finances, especially for female athletes in 377 00:18:59,000 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: this code. 378 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: Because if you. 379 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 1: Compare the number one draft pick in the NBA last 380 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: year Infector women Yama. He got more than twelve million 381 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: dollars in his rookie season. Just a reminder that Caitlin Clark, 382 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: first pick to the Indiana Fever, gets seventy six, five 383 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five dollars bit of a difference, which. 384 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 4: Is reportedly less than some NBA mascots are paid for 385 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 4: their work over the course of a season. No way, 386 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 4: the number one player in the women's game will learn 387 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 4: less than some NBA mascots. 388 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 2: No way, that's crazy. That's that's absolute bloment. 389 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: Also, I'd heard something as well that was like a 390 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: fine in the NBA, like if you got fined for something, 391 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: you might get fined one hundred thousand dollars. 392 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: That's more than. 393 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: Her entire first year Korea in the WNBA, just to 394 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: fine from one of the male players for doing stupid, Like. 395 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 2: What is happening? What is happening? 396 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: That is why we need people like Kenn Clark to 397 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: be so amazing at at this sport and what they 398 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: do that then they can try at least to push 399 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: for change. 400 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 4: Well, one of the things I love with that push 401 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 4: for change is that WNBA players aren't coming out and going, hey, 402 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 4: we want pay parody. You know, that's not their starting point. 403 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 4: What they're asking for is for the same percentage of 404 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 4: revenue shared. So even in terms of this conversation, their expectations, George. 405 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: Aren't that's exactly what we want. 406 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 4: And we know that the NBA has fifty years longer 407 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 4: behind it, fifty years more contract negotiations, fifty years more 408 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 4: of fighting for those salary increases, of building your fan base, 409 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 4: of building that broadcast rights pool that ultimately pays players. 410 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 4: So they're not going this is where we should be, 411 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 4: and we should be there right now. They're asking for 412 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 4: the same percentage of revenue shared. 413 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,719 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Las Vegas Aces play a Kelsey 414 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: Plum said on The Residency podcast. 415 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 5: We are not asking to get paid what the men 416 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 5: get paid. We're asking to get paid the same percentage 417 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 5: of revenue shared. 418 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 3: Okay, you know what I'm saying. So that's a huge misconception. 419 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 5: It's a huge mises for. 420 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 3: Sure, because every video is like, oh this person can 421 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 3: paid this. 422 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 423 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to be really clear by that. 424 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 5: I don't think I should get paid the same as 425 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 5: Lebron right, But the percentage of revenue. Like, for example, 426 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 5: they saw my jersey in midla BA, I don't get 427 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 5: a dime. 428 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: You don't get any money from jersey sales. 429 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 5: In the NBA, they have percentages of revenue shared for 430 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 5: the players, right, so jersey sales obviously their TV contracts 431 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 5: you see these every year. These contracts get bigger and 432 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 5: bigger and bigger, right, yeah, massive, But that's because their 433 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 5: CBA negotiates where the you know, if the owners are 434 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 5: making certain types of money, they get that as well. 435 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 5: In the WBA that's. 436 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 2: Not the case. 437 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: I just had to prevent the eye roll there because 438 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: I love what Kelsey is saying, don't get me wrong, 439 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: and I like that it is a moment of learning 440 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: full lots of people, but God, the amount of times 441 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: that we have to women explain things which should be 442 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: quite simple, do you know what I mean? It's like, 443 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: of course, of course, why with respect to those male broadcasters, 444 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: they're they're just like, oh my god, that's insane, and 445 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's so, that's just that's just life. 446 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 2: That's just life. 447 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: That's what we're facing with. That's why we need athletes 448 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: like Caitlin Clark to carry this Torch and I can't 449 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: believe we're still having this conversation in twenty twenty four. 450 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 4: I looked, George when we were looking into this conversation 451 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 4: at the gender pay gap that exists in Australia just 452 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 4: in the community, and it's around twenty percent in terms 453 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 4: of average gender pay gap. Obviously very different in terms 454 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 4: of percentage to the one that we're talking about here 455 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 4: in the US, but at the current rate, we're looking 456 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 4: at almost three hundred years before we get internationally to 457 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 4: gender equity. To achieve that gender equity internationally, and what 458 00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 4: Caitlyn Clark and players like her, athletes like her, can 459 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 4: do is force that change faster. 460 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: Three hundred years. Neither the world may not exist in 461 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: three hundred years. 462 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I get capitalism, right, how do we get that? 463 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 4: We get that. I'm not going to woman explain that 464 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 4: to anyone out there. It's a concept we understand. But George, 465 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 4: you've got the Tate shirt on right now. What we 466 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 4: also understand is that female focused entertainment, whether it's music, 467 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 4: your good. 468 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 3: Sport, bad sport, off. 469 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 4: The top, whether it's movies, whether it's sport, it is 470 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 4: smashing records right now, Tata Barbie, the movie The Women's 471 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 4: Will Cut that we had here in Australia last year. 472 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 4: Caitlin Clark with those incredible viewership numbers in stadiums, on 473 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 4: TV wherever she is. So it is not a case 474 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 4: of women being second class citizens. Now we are in 475 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 4: this moment, we're living it. We're just waiting them for 476 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 4: the pay packets to catch up. 477 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: Nevo. I'm going to award you the professor of clark Onomics. 478 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,400 Speaker 3: That is a professorship. 479 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: I'm here for hey, basically, thank goodness for people like 480 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 1: Kaitlyn Clark. Hopefully the world can actually keep up with 481 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 1: her and move at slightly more than a glacial pace 482 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: would be good. 483 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: And it's that cross pollination effect, isn't it. 484 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, Kaitlin Clark Sam Kerr posting about each other, two 485 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 4: female sports stars who are raising each other's profiles but 486 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:35,360 Speaker 4: also the profiles of their sports internationally. And so we're 487 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 4: seeing that we're living at George and it's becoming the 488 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 4: new normal. 489 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: And I also do get emotional, like imagine like I 490 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: now would love to go to America and go to 491 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 1: a WNBA game. I mean I would anyway, because I'm 492 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: that type of person. But I would love to go 493 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: see Kaitlyn Clark, like I'm booking my ticket to see 494 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: Kaitlin Clark before I'm booking my ticket to see Steph 495 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 1: Curry right now. And that's the power that she has. 496 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 4: And that is going to continue to grow. And when 497 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 4: you go and see Caitlyn Clark play, you'll notice some 498 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 4: other player on the court alongside her or playing against her, 499 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 4: trying to mark her out of the game, and all 500 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 4: of a sudden, that's another player. 501 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 3: That you're there to support. And through that hype that she. 502 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 4: Brings, the whole game around her, and the stories of 503 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 4: the players around her get told and it starts to grow. 504 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: Nevo. 505 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: Now that we've calmed down and I've stopped crying because 506 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's been, what an episode, What a rollercoaster 507 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: an episode this has been, it is time for a 508 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: fun fact. 509 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 2: Are you ready? 510 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: I'm so ready? Are you taking us back to Queensland? 511 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,719 Speaker 2: I'm actually not week No, I'm okay, okay. 512 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: You've been on a couple of times, and yes I 513 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: may have mentioned Queensland ocasionally, just every now and then, but. 514 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 2: Wow, wow, to be called out Wow, No, Nevo, because 515 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: I'm a professional. 516 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 1: Today we're staying in America, and we're staying with the NBA, 517 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: because did you know the shot clock was introduced to 518 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: the NBA in nineteen fifty four to increase scoring and 519 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: eliminate delay tactics. So that and try and prevent teams 520 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: just running out the game clock, which I have to 521 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: admit I do still see. I do still see that 522 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: every Now, even with this shot clock, they're trying, you know, 523 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: they're trying. So the invention of the shot clock is 524 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: credited to Leo Ferris, who was general manager of the 525 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: team now known as the seventy six ers. 526 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: Now Leo worked. 527 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: Out the formula for a shot clock by scribbling on 528 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: a napkin. Now, now this can't be true scribbling on 529 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: a napkin, nevo. Apparently he analyzed the box scores from 530 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 1: the previous season and concluded that the most entertaining games 531 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: usually featured about one hundred and twenty shots per game, 532 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: and that was with both teams combined. So he then 533 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: divided that number by forty eight minutes or two eight 534 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty seconds, which is the total time of 535 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,719 Speaker 1: an NBA game. The answer twenty four seconds. So you 536 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: have twenty four seconds to get from one side of 537 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: the court to the other to shoot before you have to, 538 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: you know, give it up to the other team. 539 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 3: Can we just go back to the fact that he 540 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 3: figured that out on a nap. 541 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: I can't. 542 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 4: I get my calculator out on my phone to help 543 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 4: me with my daughter's homework. 544 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 3: She's in year two. She's like, Mama, mama, how do 545 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 3: you do this one. 546 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, babe, let me let me step you 547 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 4: through it using my calculator. 548 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: Don't worry, don't worry. 549 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: I've got a degree in clarkonomics, so don't you worry. 550 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 2: I can just skip a few, just skip a few. 551 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: Pay women athletes more. 552 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 3: There we go. 553 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: Let's the answer. There's the answer. Babe, brought it down. 554 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 3: How much more? I'm gonna need my calculator. 555 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 2: My calculator, but I think it's more than seventy six 556 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: thousand dollars. I'm just going out on a limb, but 557 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: I think that's what it is. Oh my god, I don't. 558 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 2: I mean, how do people do this? I do? 559 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 1: I do appreciate the shot clock as someone who used 560 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: to play water polo, because there's a shot clock in 561 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: water polo as well. 562 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 2: And I tell you water polo. How did you not 563 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: know this about me? 564 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: I can't believe this should be the fun fact. 565 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, fun fact number two, Oh my god, two fun facts. Yes. 566 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: I used to play water polo, which is basically Netbull's 567 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 1: crossed with Rugby League in the water and it was 568 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: a mess. 569 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 2: It was a shot clock. 570 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: But I really appreciated that though, because here is a 571 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: lot of swimming and sometimes you need a break, you 572 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: need a little break, and it's like, oh, thank god, 573 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: I don't have to keep swimming just forward. I can 574 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: just like like Bob in the pool for a little 575 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: bit because we're now defending and I don't have to 576 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: do that, you know, I'm just gonna. 577 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 3: Float here on back for a moment. Yeah. I can't 578 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 3: imagine why you didn't make it professionally. 579 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: And on that note, thanking you so much once again, 580 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: dear listener for joining us on two Good Sports at 581 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: iHeart Production. Thank you so much to my Good Sport 582 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: in residence Nevo, for joining us once again on the 583 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: podcast this week. 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