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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily Os. It's Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty fifth of October. Budget day. Very exciting.

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Speaker 3: I'm Zara, I'm Sam.

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Speaker 2: In today's deep dive, I am speaking to the Deputy

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Speaker 2: leader of the Federal Liberal Party, Susan Lee, about her

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Speaker 2: efforts to attract more women to the party. We'll get

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Speaker 2: to that deep dive in just a second, but first Sam,

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Speaker 2: what's making headlines?

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Speaker 3: Zara? As you said, it's a bit like Christmas here

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Speaker 3: at the Daily Ors because the Federal government will hands

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Speaker 3: down its first budget later today. Treasurer Jim Chalmers is

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Speaker 3: expected to address Parliament at seven thirty pm tonight. Despite

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Speaker 3: recent speculation, the government has confirmed it will not reverse

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Speaker 3: the controversial Stage three income tax cuts.

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Speaker 2: A twenty eight year old woman has been tragically found

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Speaker 2: dead in floodwaters near Mudge. It comes as the Bureau

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Speaker 2: of Meteorology reported that the severe weather system that slashed

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Speaker 2: New South Wales and Queensland this week is now moving

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Speaker 3: Green's Senator Lydia Thorpe has referred herself to the Senate

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Speaker 3: Privileges Committee, saying she quote is more than willing to

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Speaker 3: participate in any inquiry. It comes after Thorpe resigned as

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Speaker 2: And the Good News. Hindu's Seekhs and James across the

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Speaker 2: world have marked the third day of Diwali, which is

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Speaker 2: I'm speaking to Deputy Leader of the Liberal Party, Susan

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Speaker 2: And part of listening or representing women is to have

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Speaker 4: Well, Peter Dutton as our leader, is incredibly supportive of

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Speaker 2: But from that, leading from above perspective, we all want.

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Speaker 4: you're getting more with less. And for those who live

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Speaker 4: on low and fixed incomes, you know that's a huge

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Speaker 4: challenge for older women who don't have the access to

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Speaker 4: super that younger women have. You know, they are our

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Speaker 4: most rapidly rising group of homeless Australians. I represent rural

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Speaker 4: Australia where a lot of people live on low and

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Speaker 4: fixed incomes. I'm acutely conscious of the cost of living

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Speaker 4: crisis and i know that it disproportionately affects women.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: We will be keeping a keen eye on the budget

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Speaker 2: to see what is in there for women. Susan Lee,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us today on the

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Speaker 2: Daily OS.

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Speaker 4: It's a pleasure