1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: This episode of Outspoken is brought to you by Sitting 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: Pretty Halo Hair. This is Outspoken, the podcast is not 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: afraid to say exactly what you're thinking. Our names are 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Amy Kay and Sophie Torba. We're identical triplets, but we 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,320 Speaker 1: often don't have identical opinions, so sometimes things can get heated. 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: Outspoken covers all things reality TV, influences, entertainment, and issues 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: facing women. That is so fatch. Thank you. What an 8 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: absolutely crazy week this has been the last time we 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: spoke to you, guys, we were predicting that we would 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: be having to do our podcast virtually over zoom. Thank 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: god we're all sat in the same room together. Yeah. Well, 12 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: I was nearly going to have to be via the 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: phone because I only literally ten minutes before we wanted 14 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: to record the podcast, got a text saying that I 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: was COVID free. I feel so sorry for the people 16 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: at clinpath or whatever clinical place you have been hounding 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: over the past two days. Clinical labs. I well, one like, 18 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: I didn't even know you could ring these people. I 19 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: assume that you just had to wait patiently to get 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: a text message to say you got the all clear. 21 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: But Katea's been on the phone to these people probably 22 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: about ten times. Look, I haven't been patient, but give 23 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: me a break, because Sophie and Amy got their COVID 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: test done earlier in the week, and they got theirs 25 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: back within twenty four hours. So me, being a hypochondriact, 26 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: I woke up on Saturday morning was like a little 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: bit of a sore throat. Now we had left our 28 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 1: air condition on all night, and I knew realistically this 29 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: was why my throat was saw but I thought I'll 30 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: go get tested just in case for peace of mind. Yeah, 31 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: it took forty eight hours, but it is good that 32 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: you made sure because that's what the government are telling 33 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: everyone to do. Go and get a COVID test if 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: you need to. Yeah, And I understand I sound so 35 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: impatient and like such a dickhead, because yes, forty eight 36 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: hours is actually pretty quick for a COVID test, considering 37 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: they've tested like over twenty thousand people in Adelaide this week. Now, 38 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: the elephant in the room, of course, is that we 39 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: got out of lockdown early. We were supposed to do 40 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: six days, ended up only doing three, and that was 41 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: because of a pizza shop light. Yeah. So when you 42 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: say a pizza shop lie. It actually sounds a bit 43 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: like a movie What's happened? I could not believe watching 44 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: the press conference when this revelation came out from our premier, 45 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: Stephen Marshall, and I have loved the memes that have followed, 46 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: and also the press coverage. I was watching Channel nine 47 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: and they kept calling him the pizza shop liar, Like 48 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: it just seems so juvenile to call someone a liar, 49 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: but everyone's jumped on board. It's like everyone's so excited 50 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: that they're out of lockdown that they can sort of 51 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: also blame someone as well. So for those who don't know, 52 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,519 Speaker 1: this man basically said that he had gone to collect 53 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: a pizza from the Woodville Pizza Bar and he had 54 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: contracted COVID from the box, so he failed to mention 55 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: that he in fact worked at the pizza shop. And 56 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: this is because this gentleman also worked as a kitchen 57 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: hand at one of the medi hotels. So it's all 58 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: very twisted. There's a lot to it, but I'm just 59 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: so glad that we're out of lockdown, and I thought 60 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: it'd be really interesting to put up a thread in 61 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: our Facebook community about what lie you have told that 62 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: it's got really out of hand quickly. Can I just 63 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: say also, it has given me so much respect for 64 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: our Melbourne listeners who endured such a long lockdown. I 65 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: mean I was literally got twelve days. I know, I 66 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 1: was literally going crazy yesterday. I was a real asshole 67 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: to be around. Gosh, I can't even imagine how awful 68 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: you would have been, Kay, if we'd gone into one 69 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: hundred and twelve days of lockdown, I probably wouldn't have 70 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: a boyfriend. Probably not, did you guys? See though, when 71 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: we came out of lockdown in the early hours of 72 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: Sunday morning, everybody in Adelaide seemed to flock to MacDonald's. 73 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: This shocked me. I mean, we were kind of throwing 74 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: around the idea as a joke with our cousins. But 75 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: the thing that shocked me the most is this supposed 76 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: outbreak has happened at a painter shop, and personally, I 77 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: don't really want to go to a drive three where 78 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: I can't see what is happening with my food. So, 79 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: for those who haven't seen it, Shit Adelaide, who is 80 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: just an iconic Instagram account in Adelaide. They have a 81 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: new account called just Adelaide. Things and they shared a 82 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: video of the lineup to the McDonald's and it is insane. 83 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: It actually looks like a show from the news, you know, 84 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: when they had all the cars lining up for COVID test. 85 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: It looks like there's that many people there. Look, I 86 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: don't really blame them. I feel like, after what was it, 87 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: three nights of home cooking, that a lot of people 88 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: deserved a bit back. You have your own McDonald no way. 89 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: Influencer Sarah's Day has come under fire for publicly calling 90 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: out a small business to a one point one million 91 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: Instagram followers. The self proclaimed holistic health princess labeled a 92 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: homewar's brand a scam and their actions fraudulent sending stands 93 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: into a frenzy. Okay, what actually went down? I feel 94 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: like we're getting ready for some sort of political debate. 95 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of facts here that I need 96 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: to go through to kind of explain what's happened. But 97 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: essentially we're talking about an influencer and a Moroccan pillow. 98 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: Pretty serious stuff, and this issue has actually caused a 99 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: lot of debates amongst ourselves off Mike, some that got 100 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: very heated. So I'm a bit concerned about what's actually 101 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: going to transpire during this podcast. We're going to keep 102 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: it PG no swearing. So anyway, what's happened is Sarah. 103 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: Sarah has shared with her one point one million followers 104 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: that she was unhappy because she bought a pillow insert 105 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: and unfortunately it never arrived. Now she has followed up 106 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: with the brand. She's taken screenshots of the email she 107 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: sent to the brand asking for further information about where 108 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: the pillow was now. She originally purchased the pillow on 109 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: the fifteenth of October, and she followed the brand up 110 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: on the sixth of November on Instagram and on email. However, 111 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: the brand never responded to her, and then a day 112 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: after she messaged again on Instagram, but again no reply. 113 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: Well you could tell that Sarah was very upset by this. 114 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: She posted a total of thirteen Insta stories about the brand. 115 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: She actually tagged the brand in one of the initial 116 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: Insta stories, she wrote, I found this store at Sabi 117 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: in Seoul and spent one hundred dollars on cushion inserts 118 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: over a month ago. The money was taken straight out 119 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: of my account and the email said that I'd receive 120 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: a secondary email shortly to let me know my order 121 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: had been packaged and sent off. The next slide said, 122 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: so now I'm just like, okay cool. Was that a 123 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: scam or question mark? The next slide then said, anyway, 124 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: I'm genuinely not doing this to hate on the brand. 125 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm just sharing my frustration of this brand's negligence and 126 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: lack of customer care. I put so much effort, time, 127 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: and care into customer service and the teams that run 128 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: them that I simply cannot understand when a brand chooses 129 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: to go mia on emails dispatching, but yet continue to 130 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: take people's money with nothing in return. That's just fraud. 131 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: My friend. God, I love the humble brag about having 132 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: to list every single business that she owns, especially when 133 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: like two of them are skincare Range. I don't think 134 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: as a humble brag. I think she's trying to reiterate 135 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: the fact that she's actually had experience in running a 136 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: number of businesses, and that's why she's being so critical 137 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: of this business's protocols. What was interesting was what followed. 138 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: So after Sarah shared this Instagram story, a lot of 139 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: her followers reached out to her and claimed that they 140 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: had had the same experience with this brand. Well, she 141 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: actually said that she had about twenty different followers contact 142 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: her in the space of a number of minutes saying 143 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: that they had had the same issues with this brand, 144 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: and she in fact blurred out the names of the 145 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: people so they weren't identified. I found this kind of 146 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: peculiar because she started to share the responses, and within 147 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,359 Speaker 1: the screenshot you could see that she had messaged people back. 148 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: And while I do think she was sharing them to 149 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, everyone's had the same experience 150 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: as me, I do feel like it motivated Sarah's younger 151 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: and impressionable audience to maybe message her something that was 152 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: not factually true, just to get her attention. I don't 153 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: really know if I agree with that, because if I 154 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: was an influencer and I'd put up a complaint about 155 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: a brand and people were reaching out to me, I 156 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: don't know if I'd generally jumped to the conclusion that 157 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: they were only messaging me, you know, small bits of 158 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: information about their experience. Interestingly, Sarah then deleted all of 159 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: the stories naming the brand, and then shared this message 160 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: to her Instagram story. She wrote, Okay, I've written numerous times. 161 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: But let me get straight to the point. I've decided 162 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: to delete my previous stories about how money was taken 163 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: out of my account for a product I never received, 164 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: and then a Brackets I made an online purchase for 165 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: our homewares. I stand by everything I said and don't 166 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: want any other customers falling victim to this. But I've 167 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: seen the negativity it has created on this brand's page, 168 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: and that doesn't sit well with me. Even if the 169 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: IG page isn't even a five anymore. Now, I'm not 170 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: really sure what that was meant to mean. I just 171 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: don't like the kind of commenting and language. I value honesty, kindness, 172 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: and compassion, and I'm now practicing the third. Yes, the 173 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: money was taken out of my account and the issue remains, 174 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: but I have this platform to promote kindness and love 175 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: above anything else. Yes, I feel responsibility to spread awareness 176 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: and protect others from potentially having the same issue as me, 177 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: But I want to spread happiness even more. Anyway, It's 178 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: all good, guys. Let's just all be good people. Research 179 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: before you purchase online, and don't leave the hate comments, 180 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: no matter what the circumstance is. Now, of course, Sarah 181 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: is referring to the fact that a number of her 182 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: followers went online to Sarbi and Soul and started leaving 183 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: lots and lots of negative comments on the Instagram page. Yeah, 184 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: there were a lot of people writing scam and then 185 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: people sharing their own personal story, and the owner of 186 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: Sabi and Soul was writing back to a lot of 187 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: people asking them, look, can you please provide some details 188 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 1: around your identification so she can look in the system. 189 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: And there was one particular person from South Africa who 190 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: was a nurse that she looked up and said, look, 191 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: there is no record of you even purchasing. And so 192 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: there were a lot of question marks around whether these 193 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: people had actually purchased something or if they were Sarah's 194 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: stans trying to get Sarah's attention. Now, the owner directed 195 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: people to the frequently Asked question page, which basically outlined 196 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: that as of August twenty twenty, the cushion inserts had 197 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: to be purchased alongside cushion covers, and those who had 198 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: purchase only inserts their orders would be canceled due to 199 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: the limited stock. And this appears to be what happened 200 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: with Sarah's order, because in her screenshop she had only 201 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: ordered pillow inserts without the actual cushion, so it appears 202 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: that her order has been canceled automatically. However, there hasn't 203 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: been any follow up customer service emails to let her 204 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: know about it or a reply to her customer questions. 205 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: So we decided to follow up with the owner of 206 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: Sabi and Soul because we thought it was important to 207 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: hear her side of events. Now, she was willing to 208 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: share a few details with us, but she did tell 209 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: us that she was taking legal actions and so she 210 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: couldn't say too much. However, she did share a screenshot 211 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: with us that appeared to show that she had given 212 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: Sarah a refund on the day that Sarah had purchased 213 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: the pillow, which was on October fifteenth. Do you know what, 214 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: I think? The whole thing is so sad because it 215 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: does seem as if Sarah has been refunded the amount, 216 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: but perhaps Sarah didn't see it because I looked into 217 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: this business and I could not find an ABN on 218 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: this website. Not to say it doesn't have an ab 219 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: and I'm sure there is an ABN attached, but sometimes 220 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: these businesses are under different names. So the refund might 221 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: not have come in as Sabi and soul, so she 222 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: might not have seen it. But you've got to be 223 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: sure when you're calling out a business, don't you. Oh, 224 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: exactly right. I mean, you've got to remember she has 225 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: a responsibility. She has one point one million followers on Instagram. 226 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: As soon as she tags a page, she would know 227 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: that she has crazy stands that are going to go 228 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: across to their platform and cause trouble. And that's exactly 229 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: what happened. And I just think if I was going 230 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: to call out a brand, I would make sure it 231 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: had dotted the i's and cross the t's because normally, 232 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: like I get funny if I haven't received something, So 233 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: if something's running late, I'll go and check the website 234 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: and look at the frequently asked questions and see how 235 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: my parcels tracking. You know, I would have checked that 236 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: page out, and on that page it clearly did state 237 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: that there were issues with COVID and that the PILO 238 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: inserts would not be being sent out, that the orders 239 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: would be automatically canceled. What is kind of questionable, though, 240 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: was that messaging didn't actually appear on the cushion insert page, 241 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: and that was subsequently added the day that Sarah made 242 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: her Instagram post. Yeah, I felt very tech savvy. I 243 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: work at a web company, so I kind of did 244 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of like looking into the coding, and 245 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: as Sophie said, I looked that that page had been 246 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: updated the date that Sarah put up the post. So 247 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: it's clear that either the owner wanted to reiterate that 248 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: message on the page or maybe kind of cover the 249 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: fact that the messaging was there. I suppose we don't 250 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: know what the intentions were, but I think it's good 251 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: that the page has now been updated with that information. 252 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I am surprised that there wasn't a pop 253 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: up box that automatically told you that you couldn't purchase 254 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: the item without purchasing cushion covers. But I suppose we've 255 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: got to remember again that this is a side hustle 256 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: for this woman. But that being said, though, if you 257 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: look at the website, it's not clear that it's some 258 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: side hustle, do you know what I mean? It looks 259 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: like it's a big company. She sells rugs that are 260 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: between one thousand to two thousand dollars. But that's just 261 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: the what has happening now with online stores and the 262 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: ability to market stuff from home, like you can make 263 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: the smaller shop look large on the internet. Yeah. But 264 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: that being said, Sarah doesn't know that this is a 265 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 1: one woman shop. She doesn't know that at all. So 266 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: when she's calling out the brands like she has been 267 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,479 Speaker 1: known to call out brands in the past, like Hawaiian Airlines, 268 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: that's a huge brand, you know, just playing Devil's advocate. 269 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: Do you guys think that that's okay to call out 270 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: a huge brand but it's not okay to call out 271 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: a small brand? Personally, I do think the size of 272 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: the brand or business does matter. At the end of 273 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: the day, this is a one woman show, and it 274 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: is also a very difficult time for a lot of 275 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: small businesses during COVID, So I do really feel for 276 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: this woman. It sounds like she's had a lot of 277 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: sleepless nights over it. I think that the reason it 278 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: is different is because a big brand is an established 279 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: business who has the right protocols in place to be 280 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: able to deal with this sort of demand, and you 281 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: expect more from a big brand in regards to customer 282 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: service than a smaller brand. If this is someone's side, hustle. 283 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: Maybe it's more reasonable that perhaps this woman miss some 284 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: of the emails, or that they weren't these shop features 285 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: set up in place. Yeah, and the thing we've got 286 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: to remember is that when you are directly sending one 287 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: point one million people to a brand, that is going 288 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: to be damaging, even if it's a small or large brand. 289 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at a large brand, there 290 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: are individual people that work in say the marketing sector. Now, 291 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: if Sarah was to say when she slammed Hawaiian airlines, 292 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: there are people actually genuinely associated to that customer complaint, 293 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: and because it's done on such a large scale, then 294 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: those people could possibly lose their jobs. So for me, 295 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: I really don't think influencers should be using their platforms 296 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: to slam brands at all. We'll just playing devil's advocate. 297 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: What about if a large influencer has been scammed? So, 298 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: say Sarah was scammed by a business and she wants 299 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: to put the message out to warn her one point 300 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: one million Instagram followers. Should she be allowed to do 301 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: that or should influencers just not have their say on anything. 302 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a risky game to play. I think 303 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: that you need to look at what the influencer's motivation is. 304 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: If your motivation is to single handly destroy a business, 305 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: I don't think you should be calling someone out. If 306 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: your motivation is to simply warn people about something, I 307 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: think you can do that, but you've got to be 308 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: very very sure of your facts. And I think in 309 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: this case, it's very clear that there has been a 310 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: terrible breakdown of communication between the owner and Sarah. The 311 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: owner didn't reply to multiple messages from her, which led 312 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: Sarah to believe that this was in fact a scam. 313 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: And I think the saddest thing is from a PR perspective, 314 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: this was an incredible opportunity for this owner to actually 315 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: get huge exposure. On a positive level, the fact that 316 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: this influencer had reached out to her. Can you imagine 317 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: if she'd actually noticed the DM and given her a 318 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: rug or given her something else like. I'm not saying 319 00:14:58,520 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: that she has to give things for free, but they 320 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: could have in great brand exposure. This could have been 321 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: handled in a completely different matter to what it has 322 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: been handled in. Can I just say, though, I do 323 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: call bullshit on the fact that Sarah said she was 324 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: trying to raise awareness for this. I'm sorry, but this 325 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: is a brand that has two thousand followers on Instagram. 326 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: It's not a mainstream brand. It's not a brand that 327 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to be duped by. 328 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: So I kind of feel like it seemed a little 329 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: bit immature and reckless of Sarah to call this brand out, 330 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: particularly when we found out from the owner that Sarah 331 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: had purchased the item through PayPal. Now, anyone that uses 332 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: PayPal will know that there isn't a process you can 333 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: go through to get your money back. Why did she 334 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: not seek that process and instead choose to publicly slam 335 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: this small business? And her actions could completely destroy this 336 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: bridge business. I agree with what you're saying. I don't 337 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: think she should have taken to Instagram to name this business. However, 338 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: this is a business that is selling rugs that cost 339 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: up to two thousand dollars. If you look at us, 340 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: not a huge that's not a huge ticket item aims, 341 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: especially in daycore. I mean, you sell videos for you know, 342 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars to your clients, but you and Sophie 343 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: are still a small business. So if an influencer called 344 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: you guys out and sent their followers to you, I 345 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: think you would feel very different, and I completely I 346 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: feel very sympathetic towards this woman. I think the difficult 347 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: thing from my perspective is though that this is clearly 348 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: a side business that perhaps hasn't got enough attention to 349 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: detail in looking over there. No one's disputing the fact 350 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: that the customer service was not good enough. But I 351 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: do think that this really raises an important question about 352 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: how influencers use their platform, and in this instance, despite 353 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: Sarah pushing the point that it was used for kindness 354 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: and to raise awareness, I don't think it was at all. 355 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: I literally think she was pissed off that she didn't 356 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: get a pillows and lashed out. What I think is 357 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: so fascinating though, which this topic has really brought to life, 358 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: is of course there are stands, but I feel like 359 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: there's almost something we've got to come up with the name. 360 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: It's almost anti stands. It's people that hate that influencer. 361 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: It's people who hate that influencers so much that they 362 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: are so excited that something like this has happened and 363 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: they would jump to the defense of someone that they 364 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: don't know, just to have a bit of a middle 365 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: finger stuck up at the person. Yeah, well, I did 366 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: have a look at taddle Life who were talking about 367 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: this issue, and what I found interesting was that there 368 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: was talk that they were going to start a go 369 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: fundme page to help this woman prosecute Sarah's Day for defamation. 370 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 1: Now that really is next level of standing against someone 371 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: so hating on something. Well, I think what is positive though, 372 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: is a lot of those people in that community are 373 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: wanting to help out this small business owner, So it 374 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: is actually quite an active kindness to be donating to 375 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 1: such a cause. Yeah, this issue has literally had everything 376 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: that's had, the anti stands, the stands, everyone's been going nuts. 377 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: So we would really love to hear your opinion in 378 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: our Facebook community. Please share your thoughts on whether you 379 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: think influencers should be allowed to call out brands on 380 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,199 Speaker 1: their platform. Maybe I could compose a regular memo with 381 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: how it's all going okay, why do you drop that 382 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: in my pigeon hole? Great? Where's that those sir? Any Ben? 383 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: Any rubbish ben you see in or indeed day of 384 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 1: the school. Just pop all your thoughts in a rubbish 385 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: bin and they'll get to me. Let's get into our 386 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: reality wrap. Cake, can you tell us what's making headlines 387 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: this week. This really excited me. Married at First Sight 388 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: have released the teaser for their twenty twenty one series. 389 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: How are you guys feeling about this being back on 390 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: our screens next year? Well, I think I'm so sick 391 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: to my back teeth with a bachelor that I'm excited 392 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 1: for something new to come out. I'm really hoping this 393 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: year we see more genuine people on there. I personally 394 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: am a huge fan of the first series and the 395 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: way that it was more of a documentary style. Look, 396 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: I would be happy if it went back to the 397 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: Martha Cyrel series too, and that was my absolute favorite. 398 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: Like I was hooked. I love seeing the wine throwing incident. 399 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 1: It was trash at its best, and I think if 400 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: we all take it with a grain of salt and 401 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: think of it as being trash, then we'll all enjoy 402 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: it a lot more. I mean, well, I disagree, because yes, 403 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,360 Speaker 1: I did enjoy that series, but I think that that 404 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: has led it to a very dark path. We are 405 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: now just getting absolute fuck wits on who their only intention, 406 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: of course, is to be in Instagram. What reality tea 407 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: V show doesn't attract insult in the first But in 408 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: the first series, we actually had people that now have children, 409 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: like have had keys. Oh my god, can I Let's 410 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: just be honest, No one is watching this show for 411 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: the love stories. We are watching it for the brawls 412 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 1: at the dinner parties. I think what their producers should 413 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 1: be focusing on this year, though, is getting at least 414 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: a few love stories. Yeah, we need a cam and jewels. 415 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: We need that sort of love story juxtapositioned with the brawling. 416 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: And I personally used to love was the awkwardness of 417 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: people moving in together, the awkwardness of meeting families. I 418 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: don't know, I just love the first serious Do you 419 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: know what I love about Married at First Sight is 420 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: how everybody knows it's this huge reality show that's like 421 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: full of gossip and bullshit, But the way they narrate 422 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: it as if it's some serious documentary, that's what I 423 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: love about it. Well, that's the thing. The teaser actually 424 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: was sort of making it as if it's really serious. 425 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: So the camera's positioned behind the brides and the grooms, 426 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: and you can't see any of their faces, and it's 427 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: sort of like making this leap of faith and getting married, 428 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: so it never really he promotes what it actually is. 429 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: I love the fact that the parents also were stealing 430 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: in on that weather, like, oh, I can't believe they're 431 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: murring are strangers if they've never seen the concept of 432 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: the show before, we all know it's a fake wedding, 433 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: or they're so surprised at the dinner where all the 434 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 1: cameras are that they're being told that their child's going 435 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: on married at her side. We're just moving on to 436 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: Batchy News and Paul Becky Miles. Can she be any cuter? 437 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: She's had a bit of a faux pa with not 438 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: being able to understand a bit of Instagram lingo. Well, 439 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: I felt for her because I had no idea what 440 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: this meant either. So runner up Adrian, who is rumored 441 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: to be back with Becky, and I suppose this comment 442 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: signals that they might be back together. He wrote YTG 443 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: with three fire emojis and a fist pump of a 444 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: picture of Becky and her friends. Now, Becky said she 445 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: had to google what YTG was, and she said, clearly, 446 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: I'm not up with the young kids, wink, you're pretty 447 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: great yourself now. Unfortunately, Becky thought that YTG meant you're 448 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: the greatest now currently it actually means yeah, the girls. 449 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: So this to me, I mean, yes, I am known 450 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: to date younger guys. He's a kookar to me, this 451 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: would kind of be a signal like maybe they're a 452 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: bit young, but I'm not getting this linger. Like if 453 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: anyone that I was going out with use the term 454 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: that's lit or that's fire, I think I would just 455 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: have to leave and just end the relationship there. When 456 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: I used to get the thirty sixers hanging out with 457 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: all the young players, they would legitimately say that and 458 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: I tried not to scoff like it just made me laugh. 459 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 1: I think I'm going to start using YTG over everything. 460 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to go post that on your Instagram photos now, 461 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: I hope. So I can't wait to see you commenting that. 462 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: The other one that I'm going to start using just 463 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: to sound young is banging twenty year old influences That 464 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 1: from Barker's always if she has something that's banging. Oh, 465 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: I did notice that it is not really new though. 466 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: The thing is, I've heard all these young people using it. 467 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: I feel like that's from Barker quote though so he 468 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: sounds so old. 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I recently got my 478 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: hair cut into a bob and I got some extensions 479 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: cut the same length, and it's so good because they 480 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: just sit perfectly and they are not uncomfortable at all. 481 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: They are so comfortable and easy to put on. I 482 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,360 Speaker 1: have previously worn clipping hair extensions, and by the end 483 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: of the day when you take them out, your head 484 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: is just aching. But these you forget that they're on. 485 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: Oh they're like magic. Like there's like this little thin 486 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: kind of fishing wire bit that you attach on and 487 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: then you just flip your hair over it. My boyfriend 488 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: always tries to watch me put these on because he's like, 489 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: how does it work? I can't work it out. And 490 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm really grateful for Sitting Pretty because they are allowing 491 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: us to give away some sitting pretty halo hair extensions 492 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: to a listener. Now, these perfect for anyone that's looking 493 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: for a good hair day all the time. Now let's 494 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 1: get into the influencer wrap. And I did thoroughly enjoy 495 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: this one. Influencer Madison Wally shared on her Instagram story 496 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: that she uber eats two minute noodles to her house 497 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: very late on a Tuesday morning. I'm surprised she didn't 498 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: uber eat s McDonald's or Hungry Jacks or something like 499 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: two minute noodles. That must have been a real craving 500 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: for her. Well. I know someone who used to ober 501 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: eats tubs of ice cream to their house and the 502 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 1: delivery fee cost more than the ice cream itself, so 503 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: I'm assuming that would have been the case for these 504 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: two minute noodles as well. I feel like such a 505 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: tight us. I don't really like even using uber eats 506 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: for like a main meal, so I can't imagine having 507 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: to justify the delivery spend on some two minute noodles. 508 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 1: Let's put this in our community group. I would love 509 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: to hear what are the things that you have drunk 510 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: ordered that you literally regret in the morning, because the 511 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: next day I had a look at Madison's Instagram and 512 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: she'd actually taken the story down, so it must have 513 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 1: been a bit of a regret. It's like that with 514 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: two minute noodles, though. I find there's certain foods that 515 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: you eat and you really crave them, and as soon 516 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: as you've had them, you can't have them again for 517 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 1: a while. That's like me with our mini lockdown. Brandon 518 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: bought all these packets of Alfredo pasta, which I used 519 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: to love growing up, and I was craving it so much. 520 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: I had one packet and then I just couldn't face 521 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: it again. Well, does anyone realize that today is actually 522 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: quite a special day? Really? What it is Steph Claire 523 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: Smith and Josh Miller's first wedding anniversary? Now? Is it 524 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: just me? Or I don't actually give a shit? I 525 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: know you guys love. I mean, I think it's cool, 526 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: but I don't care. And Wow, for me, that year 527 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: has just flown by, like I cannot believe it. We 528 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: would have been at this time last year. We were 529 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: on our phones waiting to see the dress. I wasn't Yeah, 530 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: well anyway, Amy, you don't get it? Well, Josh being 531 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: the amazing Instagram husband that he is gave Steph a 532 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: gorgeous ring that looks a lot like her wedding band, 533 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: and it made me think, isn't the first anniversary meant 534 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: to be? Paper well? I feel like when you've gone 535 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: through lockdown and your wife's pregnant, you've kind of got 536 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: a rap the bar with a good presence. I'm sure 537 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: he puts down a lot of paper to get it. Yeah, 538 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: paper well. I wonder where her push present will be. 539 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: This will be very interesting to keep an eye on. Now, 540 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: let's get into the controversy surrounding English YouTuber Saffron Baker. 541 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: In a blog a few weeks ago, she shared a 542 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: video with her brother where she answered questions that she 543 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: had been trying to avoid and there were some answers 544 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: that came up that shocked a lot of people weren't 545 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: there so well, it did surprise me. So she revealed 546 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: that when she was eighteen, she did get breast implants 547 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: done and that was to even out her breast because 548 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: they weren't the same size. Now, a lot of her 549 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 1: fans have hit out, calling her a liar because she 550 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: has not addressed this earlier. I just find it so 551 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: funny because in Adelaide, we've had the pizza shop liar, 552 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 1: Now we've got the breast implant liar. Isn't that her business? Though? 553 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: If she doesn't want to share at eighteen that she's 554 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: got breast implants, surely that's her business. I thought it 555 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: was fairly obvious she had breast implants. I remember saying 556 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: to you, has she had a boob job? Like? No, No, Well, 557 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: I actually personally like the fact that she did keep 558 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: it personal because I think that she has such a young, 559 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: impressionable audience following her that I think if she was 560 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: to document that process, it would look as though she 561 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: was urging young girls to also get it done. So 562 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: I respect the fact that she kept it quiet and 563 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: then spoke about it at a time when she felt 564 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,959 Speaker 1: that she was mature and old enough to do it. 565 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: And Evil takes a human Forum and Regina George before 566 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: because she missed him like your typical selfish, backstabbing, slight 567 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: based whole bag. But in reality, she is so much 568 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: more than that. Mum and Me's latest podcast that Undone, 569 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: has come under fire for already being done. Listeners were 570 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: quick to draw comparisons between Mom and MEA's newest podcasts 571 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 1: aimed at women in their twenties and the podcast they 572 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: so famously passed on Shameless. So there's a bit of 573 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: a backstory before we delve into the new podcast now. 574 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: For those who aren't aware, the host of Shameless are 575 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: Michelle Andrews and Zara McDonald and they worked as right 576 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: as at Muma Mea for a number of years. Now, 577 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: they were given the opportunity to host a Mum and 578 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: me A podcast called batch Chat, and that was after 579 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: a number of staff heard their sophisticated chats and banter 580 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,959 Speaker 1: about the real show. Now, Zara and Michelle started brainstorming 581 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: podcast ideas to pitch to the Muma Mea team. They 582 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: decided on a podcast about celebrity and pop culture as 583 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't something that was really covered yet in Australia. Now. 584 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: That was in July twenty seventeen and their pitch was 585 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 1: initially accepted by Mamma Mea but then rejected. And although 586 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: Mama Meir liked the idea, according to Michelle and Zara, 587 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: they didn't like the idea of using them as hosts. 588 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: So Michelle actually was quoted as saying it hurt we 589 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: struggled with the way it was put to us, in 590 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: the way that we interpreted that maybe we weren't going 591 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: to be right for the show. So I think it's 592 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: quite interesting that they seemed quite offended by the fact 593 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: that their podcast wasn't picked up as you would if 594 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: you were working there. It would make it quite challenging. 595 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:43,919 Speaker 1: So the girls decided to ask their bosses if they 596 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: could record the podcast independently, and of course, Shameless was born. 597 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: It was launched in March twenty eighteen and has been, 598 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: as Zara McDonald would say, a smash hit ever since. 599 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: Well ten weeks after the girls started the podcast, things 600 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: got a little bit awkward at work because the podcast 601 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: was a big hit and it raised the question can 602 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: they still be working at Mum and mea when they 603 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: have a hugely successful podcast. It just seemed like a 604 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: huge conflict of interest to me, the fact that these 605 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: two writers were hosting their own independent podcast, despite the 606 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: fact that Muma Mia has one of the largest podcast 607 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: networks in Australia. It just made it appear as though 608 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: there was some conflict between them and me and Friedman. 609 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it seemed like it was a conflict 610 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: I think the issue was that this was a podcast 611 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 1: that is competing against a Muma mea podcast. Well, it 612 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: just seems stupid because it seemed like they had pitched 613 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: the idea to Mum and Mia, it wasn't good enough, 614 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: so they kind of then had to go tail between 615 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: their legs and start it themselves. And then the awkward 616 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: thing was that it took off. It was an amazing podcast, 617 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: and then Mama Mia looked a bit stupid for passing 618 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: it down. Well, I think it was awkward too, because 619 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: they did start sharing stories about the fact that their 620 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: idea was turned down, So it did all feel a 621 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: bit awkward and murky considering they still work for that 622 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: employer well over the years. Reading Between the Lines, there 623 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: does seem to be a bit of an issue between 624 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia and the Shameless Girls. In their book The 625 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: Space Between, they did outline what it was like working 626 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: at a toxic workplace, and it just felt really awkward 627 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: because they didn't name Amma Mia in the book, but 628 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: everyone knows that they worked there now. Talking about The 629 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: Space Between, the book covers very similar topics Tomma MIA's 630 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: new podcast, The Undone. Yeah, it's funny because I compared 631 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: the little blurb about the space between and then the 632 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: Undone podcasts, and there are so many similarities. It's all 633 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: about the awkwardness of being in your twenties, not really 634 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: being an adult, all the fun along the way. However, 635 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: I felt like Shameless's blurb was written in quite a 636 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 1: sophisticated way. However, when I looked at the Undone I 637 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: felt like there was almost a person in their forties 638 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: writing the description. It did seem a little bit condescending 639 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: and as if someone is older and looking down at 640 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: them and thinking the things that they do is stupid. 641 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: To be fair, though, it seems as though the Undone 642 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: podcast isn't touching on issues that Shameless talk about. Because 643 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: Shameless talk about pop culture subjects, they don't talk about 644 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: growing up in your twenties, albeit their book did. But 645 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: is it really such a crossover that Mamma Mia have 646 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: a podcast. Surely they have this podcast because they are 647 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: looking to appeal to that twenty year old demographic. And 648 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: that being said, Amy, I don't really think that Shameless 649 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: own the topic of speaking about your twenties. I don't 650 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: really think that's some unique concept that they've come up with, 651 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: and they're not saying that at all. This is other 652 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: people speculating online. Yeah. Well, I've been doing a little 653 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: bit of research into Mamma MIA's podcast because at the moment, 654 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: they do have twenty seven podcasts in their podcasting network, 655 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: and after the success of Shameless, Mama Mia actually launched 656 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: their own daily entertainment podcast on the eighteenth of July 657 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. So that podcast still runs and it's hosted 658 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: by Laura Brodnick and Key Reese, and the podcast is 659 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: a daily podcast that talks about the top pop culture 660 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: stories of the day, and it's described itself as a 661 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: smart look at celebrity news. Now does that not sound 662 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: familiar to you guys, Well, a little bit. But I 663 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,239 Speaker 1: mean I'm always desperate to listen to new podcasts, so 664 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: I don't a problem with other people talking about pop culture. 665 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: Everyone's got a different opinion, and let's be fair, Mamma 666 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: Mia was around first, so it's really hard. You can't 667 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: just be pointing fingers at people for copying one another. Oh, 668 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm not saying there's any copying. I do find it 669 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: interesting that Muma Mia did pass on Shameless. However, now 670 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 1: it feels like they have a big focus on that 671 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: twenties audience because previously they've had a lot of pregnancy podcasts. 672 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: But they're very smart in the fact that they're trying 673 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: to branch out and attract women of all ages. It's 674 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: definitely not the first time Muma Mea have launched a 675 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: podcast aimed at women in their twenties. They've had The 676 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: Social Squad hosted by Tulli Smyth, and they've also had Overshare, 677 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: and these podcasts have sort of lasted for about six 678 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: months and then stopped. And the interesting thing is, because 679 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: it's such a large podcasting network, they use so much 680 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: cross promotion to kind of get excitement about these new podcasts. 681 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: But after a couple of months they seem to sort 682 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: of full flat, which is what I'm expecting for Undone. 683 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: What I think is interesting though, is they're clearly trying 684 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: to move away from using influences in the hosting roles. 685 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: You mentioned Tully Smythe's was the host of the Social Squad, 686 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: flex Mammy was the host of the other one. They 687 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,479 Speaker 1: have kind of plucked these writers out from nowhere, so 688 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: maybe they see the appeal that you know, Shameless were 689 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: just regularly girls who started a podcast, let's get people 690 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: who were actually relatable. I think it's more that it 691 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 1: makes more business sense to have somebody who works at 692 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: Mamma Mia as the host, because Mama Mia would own 693 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: the intellectual property right of that podcast. But you know, 694 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: with podcasts that are hosted by you know, for example, 695 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: Tully smythe if she goes, the branding is completely off 696 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: well now, and we saw that with the podcast that 697 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: Maura from Love Island hosted with Boohoo, Like as soon 698 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: as she left, no one was really interested in it. 699 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: But it's interesting you pointed out out Amy because that's 700 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: exactly what Michelle Andrews said. She said that they're so 701 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: lucky that Mamma Mia didn't pick up their podcast because 702 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: they wouldn't own it. The hosting jobs would have been replaceable. 703 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: They wouldn't be the face of the Shameless because you 704 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: see with Mama Mia out Loud, that's been going for 705 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: four years and the hosts have changed quite a lot 706 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: over that time. Now, with all of this copycat calling out, 707 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: we should also mention that Shameless have also been accused 708 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: of copying Mom and mea out Loud. They constantly do 709 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: the same topics as one another. Unfortunately, with Shameless, though 710 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: there's podcast, there's always a couple of days after Muma Mia. 711 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: So for example, this week Shameless spoke about Pete Evans 712 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: and Andreie Kent. However Muma me had spoken about that 713 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: the week before. Now that just reminded me the work copycat. 714 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: We also got called copycats by launching our own pop 715 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 1: culture podcasts. So I mean there's a lot of it 716 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: going on in the industry. Yeah, and to be fair, 717 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: there's only a number of topics each week that are 718 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: really going on in the Australian media to talk about 719 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: that relate to that pop culture audience. But I know 720 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: with us, we always try and be careful and listen 721 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: out to see what other people have discussed because we 722 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: don't want to be, you know, doing the same topic 723 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: as other podcasts. It's boring to hear the same topic 724 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: dissected multiple times. Well, just to wrap it up, there 725 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: were some quite funny similarities between Muma Mea and Shameless's podcasts. 726 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: So I noticed that Mama Mea launched their own Mamma 727 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: Mia recaps of reality TV shows back on the thirty 728 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: first of January twenty nineteen, and then in October of 729 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Shameless launched their fourth podcast, reality Check, So 730 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: I people are going to talk about copycatting. You know 731 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: who knows they're I almost forgot about reality Check because 732 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: that really did teeter off. I think they're probably glad 733 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 1: everyone forgot about that, but they have produced Love, etc. 734 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: And that is a winner. So well, that's all we've 735 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: got time for. If you would like to continue the conversation, 736 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: please go to our Facebook page, which has outspoken the 737 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: podcast community. I'm really excited. We've almost hit a thousand 738 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: members in there, and I know that might not sound 739 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: like a lot, but it is actually so much fun 740 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: chatting in there to everyone. We will be talking to 741 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: Eliza Reid from Bargain Homework and she'll be giving us 742 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: all of her tips aware to find a bargain this Christmas.