Speaker 1: Hello, Peter, Hell, are you here? Welcome to you Ain't
Speaker 1: seen nothing yet? The Movie Podcast we're our chat to
Speaker 1: a movie lover about a classic or beloved movie they
Speaker 1: haven't quite got around to watching until now. And today's
Speaker 1: guest comedian Danielle Walker.
Speaker 2: All below. I want to stay here with you, the jobble,
Speaker 2: my hat, snake shocked, Why hail.
Speaker 1: Happening?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: So don't see nothing here.
Speaker 1: Danielle Walker has gotten into the habit of winning things.
Speaker 1: This hilarious rural Queenslander burst onto the Aussie comedy scene
Speaker 1: by taking out Raw Comedy at a twenty sixteen Melbourne
Speaker 1: International Comedy Festival. She then won Best Newcomer at the
Speaker 1: same festival in twenty eighteen with her debut show Bush Rat,
Speaker 1: which she took to London to rave reviews. More recently,
Speaker 1: Danielle took part in the inaugural season of Taskmaster Australia,
Speaker 1: in which she you Guessed It won GIOSO wins with
Speaker 1: every appearance she makes, from Get Cracking to Tonightly with
Speaker 1: Tom Ballard. Right now, she has struck gold in the
Speaker 1: new ABC historical comedy Gold Diggers, in which she stars
Speaker 1: alongside Claire Lovering as sisters who arrive in an eighteen
Speaker 1: fifty three Australian gold rush town on a mission to
Speaker 1: find themselves two rich idiot men to marry and get
Speaker 1: rich from. You know they're gold diggers. Danielle's comedy has
Speaker 1: been called dark and strange, but I can tell you
Speaker 1: that Danielle is an absolute joy to be around. Experienced
Speaker 1: recently of bumping into Danielle on the red carpet at
Speaker 1: the Logi Awards and the joy on her face when
Speaker 1: she saw Scott Cam. It wasn't just a joy in
Speaker 1: her face, it was the tears welling in her eyes.
Speaker 1: I then managed to grab Scott Cam and bring him
Speaker 1: over and introduce Danielle to Scott Cam and she was,
Speaker 1: oh my god. She was like a child, like a
Speaker 1: fourteen year old child at a supermarket in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: six meeting Kylie Mino. That's how excited she was to
Speaker 1: meet Scott Cam from the block. They had photos. It
Speaker 1: was a lovely moment. And it's got who Danielle is.
Speaker 1: She's got a joyous I find she's talented, she's hilarious,
Speaker 1: she's inventive, she's funny, and I'm bloody stoked to be
Speaker 1: hanging with her today.
Speaker 5: Hello, my name is Daniel Walker. My three favorite films
Speaker 5: are Andre the Seal. He came to us from the
Speaker 5: wild and I named him Andre after a famous seal train.
Speaker 5: He's my best friend, and our favorite colors Bom.
Speaker 6: Relic.
Speaker 1: It's here.
Speaker 2: Under the bed, No, there's nothing under the bad nam,
Speaker 2: Are you sure?
Speaker 6: And Hunt for the Wilder People. Haukner is Cork.
Speaker 5: Cork Asian, while they got their own because you're obviously white.
Speaker 5: And up until last night, I hadn't seen Goodfellas.
Speaker 7: As far back as I can remember, I always wanted
Speaker 7: to be a gangster.
Speaker 1: I know I'd go from rides through. It's in the
Speaker 1: mid to late nineteen eighties. Martins Corsese rings, author of
Speaker 1: Mafioso crime bestseller Wise Guys, and declares, this is the
Speaker 1: book I've been waiting my whole life for. The author replies,
Speaker 1: this is the phone call I've waited my whole life for.
Speaker 1: So begins the partnership that brings us one of the
Speaker 1: all time great crime films. The mere fact that it
Speaker 1: gets mentioned in the same breath as Coppler's The Godfather
Speaker 1: films says enough. As far back as he could remember,
Speaker 1: Henry Hill wanted to be a gangster, and he works
Speaker 1: his way up through to the various ranks to become
Speaker 1: a good fella. What follows is a violent, tense, funny,
Speaker 1: at times epic, featuring one of the great voiceovers of
Speaker 1: all time, an Oscar winning performance from Joe Pesky as
Speaker 1: the sassiopath thing skinned. Tommy di Niro is brilliant as
Speaker 1: Jimmy Conway, but it is the late great Railaiotta as
Speaker 1: Henry Hill who anchors his thrilling ride. It's also worth
Speaker 1: noting twenty seven actors for featured in Goodfellas would go
Speaker 1: on to appear in HBO's The Sopranos, most notably Lorraine Bracco,
Speaker 1: who play Henry Hill's battered and shattered wife Karen. She
Speaker 1: is brilliant in this Nominated for seven Oscars, Pesky was
Speaker 1: the only one to win, but it did jag five
Speaker 1: bafters for me. Good Fellows is all timed. Dannielle Walker,
Speaker 1: have you done a slyly cash gig on the side
Speaker 1: and then splurged on a pink Cadillac.
Speaker 5: I haven't splurged on a pink Cadillac, but I did
Speaker 5: get a purple Honda jazz, so not too disimal.
Speaker 1: And off the books. Off the books, of course.
Speaker 6: You got to do some off the books gigs.
Speaker 1: Welcome, welcome to you. Ain't seeing nothing again. I'm thrilled
Speaker 1: to have you on board, and I'm thrilled to talk
Speaker 1: about this movie, which I'll say off the get going,
Speaker 1: unless we want to know what you thought of the
Speaker 1: film from the get go. We'll get to that later.
Speaker 1: But I do love this film. This is right up
Speaker 1: there for me. Why haven't you seen Good Fellows or
Speaker 1: how aware of it were you?
Speaker 5: Well, I when I was growing up. We'll use the
Speaker 5: video store, and I just don't think it occurred to
Speaker 5: me to get that one out. I think I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I got to pick something that my sisters can watch too,
Speaker 5: and it wasn't on teeth. I had a bedtime of
Speaker 5: eight thirty until the end of high school.
Speaker 1: So to the end of high school, yeah, I was.
Speaker 5: Like seventeen being forced to go to my room at
Speaker 5: eight thirty. I'd put a towel down underneath the door though,
Speaker 5: so Dad couldn't see the light streaming out, and try
Speaker 5: and read a book if I could, so, I think
Speaker 5: that's why I haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: Even reading up until year twelve? Was in bed was
Speaker 1: a no night?
Speaker 5: Yeah no, because if not, I'd be tired for school
Speaker 5: the next day because you couldn't put a book down.
Speaker 5: I think it was that mum also had books in
Speaker 5: the You know, I think people think books are like
Speaker 5: that is a pursuit of somebody with an intelligent mind.
Speaker 6: But there's also a lot of.
Speaker 5: A lot of absolute drivel, right, and that's what I
Speaker 5: think I really went towards as a teenage girl, was like,
Speaker 5: what do you have their?
Speaker 1: Mum?
Speaker 6: Is that Virginia?
Speaker 5: My mom recommended me Virginia Andrews to read as like
Speaker 5: a fourteen year old, that's a lot of incest and stuff.
Speaker 5: And I was like, Mum, as an adult going, what
Speaker 5: are you? What did you recommend me?
Speaker 1: I'm not aware of Virginia Andrews?
Speaker 8: Was it?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: She wrote flowers in the attic?
Speaker 1: Heard of that? Okay, yeah that's big. So so with
Speaker 1: that said, what were your movie Did you go to
Speaker 1: the movies at the cinema? You came from a small
Speaker 1: town in Queensland. Was there a cinema there that you
Speaker 1: go a lot? As a family? Did you go with friends?
Speaker 1: How did you what was your movie diet.
Speaker 5: Like, I think I probably went to the movies twice
Speaker 5: a year as a kid, probably with Nana on school holidays,
Speaker 5: or as a teenager, maybe with friends every now and then,
Speaker 5: but that would usually be more of like a comedy
Speaker 5: situation with friends. We wouldn't go for a drama. We'd
Speaker 5: go to watch like Hangover or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And as a kid, it was like, well, well
Speaker 5: then I got to go with my sisters. They're eight
Speaker 5: years younger than me, so yeah. Also, Nana would fall
Speaker 5: asleep in movies all the time, so you've got to
Speaker 5: keep it to ninety minutes.
Speaker 1: Well, there's nothing wrong with a ninety minute film. We're
Speaker 1: not dealing with a nine minute film today. And I
Speaker 1: do thank you for putting aside two and a half
Speaker 1: hours to watch Good Fellas. Let's get to your three
Speaker 1: favorite films. A couple that I actually haven't seen, Andre
Speaker 1: the Seal. Yes, take us through Andrea Seal.
Speaker 5: I thought that Andre the Seal was a very big
Speaker 5: movie in the zeitgeist for everybody in the world until
Speaker 5: I was an adult and realized that I just video
Speaker 5: taped it and watched it regularly over like every week,
Speaker 5: and that was not everybody else's experience. And so the
Speaker 5: film is it's based off a true story. A man
Speaker 5: who's a fisherman in town. He is having trouble. The
Speaker 5: seals keep eating all the fish, and other fishermen are
Speaker 5: killing the seals. But then this pop seal climbs into
Speaker 5: his boat and then he raises it and it becomes
Speaker 5: best friends with his daughter, Tony, who now as an adult,
Speaker 5: who has been told I am adhd and autistic. I
Speaker 5: have diagnosed her because she was marrying chickens to pigeons
Speaker 5: and she had like a frog in her pocket, and oh,
Speaker 5: she was definitely on the exact same spectrum as me.
Speaker 5: And she took the seal the school and they did
Speaker 5: dances together and the seal eventually he gets let go
Speaker 5: and he comes back to the bay every single year
Speaker 5: to visit the family, and it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: What I like about that is often on this podcast
Speaker 1: when we chat about movies we loved as a kid,
Speaker 1: it kind of what comes up quite a bit is
Speaker 1: that thing where this happened to video, you know, record
Speaker 1: on the VHS tape these four or five movies and
Speaker 1: they're the ones you just watched, like you watched them
Speaker 1: over and over again. And I remember, and even more
Speaker 1: to your point, I remember there was a few movies
Speaker 1: that I just kind of discovered on TV because you know,
Speaker 1: we had we had those options, we had like those
Speaker 1: three or four channels. And there was one movie called
Speaker 1: Turk one a two, which was like a graffiti Artist,
Speaker 1: which you know, again I would have thought at the time, Oh,
Speaker 1: everyone knows Turk one a two, and then you realize, oh, no,
Speaker 1: I just happened to record this on the TV and
Speaker 1: nobody else was watching it. You know. Another one was
Speaker 1: Mask that I watched, which is a bit more well
Speaker 1: known than say Turk one a two, and that was
Speaker 1: with Schaer and Eric Stoltz with a guy called about
Speaker 1: a character, the true story about a guy called Rocky
Speaker 1: Dennis who had the kind of I don't know exactly
Speaker 1: his condition, but he basically had a face that was
Speaker 1: affected by something. And that's a really insensitive way of
Speaker 1: putting it.
Speaker 5: I think that's the most sensitive way of putting it.
Speaker 5: Didn't say he looked messed up, he was gross looking.
Speaker 5: He didn't say anything. He said he just he had
Speaker 5: a condition. That's a really sensate way.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you, thank you, there have been time, because
Speaker 1: Rocky did become a bit of a like when I
Speaker 1: was younger at school because it was a well enough
Speaker 1: movie that most of the kids had seen it, and
Speaker 1: he became a bit of a punchline. So I am
Speaker 1: more sensitive around the Rocky Dennis got cultural references these days,
Speaker 1: but he it was a beautiful movie, like really sad,
Speaker 1: really sad. But it was one of those movies that
Speaker 1: I kind of thought, well, this must be one of
Speaker 1: the biggest, you know, every one of the world must
Speaker 1: have seen this. And then the order I got, I
Speaker 1: realized that a lot of people hadn't seen them. And
Speaker 1: that's your Android to Seal, which I just IMDb and
Speaker 1: it doesn't even come up in IMDb.
Speaker 5: Really yeah, oh gosh, it's got the girl from uh
Speaker 5: this is a crossover because I listened to an app
Speaker 5: to know what the show was going to be, and
Speaker 5: I listened to the Sushi Mango and it's got the
Speaker 5: girl from Napoleon Dynamite in it as a child. She's
Speaker 5: the little girl who looks after Andre the Seal.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, that's worth checking it out, just for that,
Speaker 1: just for that Andre the Seal. Okay, Well, if we
Speaker 1: can find it, we'll watch it. The relic that's kind
Speaker 1: of lives in the an action kind of alien style
Speaker 1: kind of film.
Speaker 6: Is that relic is.
Speaker 5: I only watched it recently, and I've only watched it once,
Speaker 5: but it's had like a really big effect on me.
Speaker 5: It's an Australian sort of I think it's like a
Speaker 5: horror psychological drama or something, and it's yes, really beautiful
Speaker 5: and terrifying. It's I can't I I was googling it
Speaker 5: after I watched it because I've really it's probably the
Speaker 5: film that I've felt like it had the most impact
Speaker 5: on me of recent times. I just really loved it.
Speaker 5: It was like about I don't want to spoil anything,
Speaker 5: but the mum has dementia and it sort of goes
Speaker 5: through that in a really interesting way. And then I
Speaker 5: really liked the sort of like the message of the
Speaker 5: film is something that I've been thinking about.
Speaker 6: For quite a while. So I just I really loved.
Speaker 5: It, and I thought the imagery and the way it
Speaker 5: was shot and the storytelling and it was really beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So's from twenty twenty. Emily Mortimer, the English actress
Speaker 1: who I think was in Frenzya many years ago for
Speaker 1: those who watch more TV and Robin Nevin plays the mother,
Speaker 1: and Bella Heathcot, who's wonderful Austraian young actress, is in
Speaker 1: it as well, so I know that I'm looking it up.
Speaker 1: So this is not the top of my head, but
Speaker 1: I do recall this. I don't want you to going
Speaker 1: to go, well, why didn't I know that information? Yes,
Speaker 1: so that got really they got rave reviews actually, but
Speaker 1: embarrassingly I haven't seen it.
Speaker 5: I think it's like one of those ones that when
Speaker 5: you're well, this is how I felt when I was
Speaker 5: watching it, I was like not like, it made me
Speaker 5: feel really uncomfortable, and I was like confused, and I
Speaker 5: didn't really like it. And then in the last you
Speaker 5: know when a movie just in the last bit it
Speaker 5: all falls into place and you completely get it and
Speaker 5: then you retroactively really love the way the story's been told.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just felt like it because, yeah, you can
Speaker 1: kind of relax after that, you can kind of go, Okay,
Speaker 1: it makes sense. Yeah, it's interesting that that happened. And
Speaker 1: you haven't gone back to watch it again. But is
Speaker 1: it something that you will go back and watch again
Speaker 1: or is it something where you go and go No.
Speaker 1: That lives perfectly fine in my head the way it is.
Speaker 5: I think I will watch it again, but I think
Speaker 5: I'll need to do it when I'm feeling really happy
Speaker 5: and good because I Reckon. I cried for like forty
Speaker 5: five minutes after that film, and I was just My
Speaker 5: partner was very confused because it is a horror and
Speaker 5: I was just like, it's a beautiful film, and he
Speaker 5: was confused by that. But I really loved the way
Speaker 5: it was told and I thought it was executed really wonderfully.
Speaker 1: Another film that was executed wonderfully, and it's come up
Speaker 1: a few times on this podcast, is Hunt for the
Speaker 1: World of People. What a gorgeous film. I saw this.
Speaker 1: I happen to be in New Zealand at the time.
Speaker 1: I went and saw it, and I then came back
Speaker 1: and took my kids, took my kids, picked them up
Speaker 1: from school and took them to see a Hunt for
Speaker 1: the World of People. It's just a beautiful, beautiful film
Speaker 1: and very funny.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I love I love it. I mean, as
Speaker 5: somebody who is from the country and has quite an
Speaker 5: eccentric family and grew up with pig shooting like feral
Speaker 5: pig hunting and has an obsession with her granddad. Old
Speaker 5: older male figures off on a bush adventure is my
Speaker 5: dream cinematic experience.
Speaker 1: Well, it is an extraordinary obviously, is taikow tit? The
Speaker 1: man behind that? Sam Neil is in it. A great
Speaker 1: performance and I apologize the young actor who's now doing
Speaker 1: gellect commercials, but I have just slipped his name has
Speaker 1: slipped my memory. And Rys Starby, he's very funny in it.
Speaker 1: I think Rachel House is in there as well. It's
Speaker 1: it's just a gorgeous film with and it's what New
Speaker 1: Zealanders and the Kiwis do really well. They seem to
Speaker 1: have nailed this kind of heart, funny, quirky with that,
Speaker 1: you know, going over the top with it. Have you
Speaker 1: seen many of Taiko's films? Have you seen Boy?
Speaker 6: Or Yeah?
Speaker 5: I watched Boy and I watched that ages ago where
Speaker 5: I was working at a call center back in the
Speaker 5: day in Townsville and my best friend at work was
Speaker 5: from New Zealand, so she introduced me to Boy and
Speaker 5: a bunch of other sort of New Zealand films and
Speaker 5: I really loved all of them, and I don't know,
Speaker 5: I just like really find Yeah, that storytelling style really great.
Speaker 5: I feel like it captures the I don't know, like
Speaker 5: the minuthit of the insanity of regular life. You know,
Speaker 5: like those terms of phrases that people use, all the
Speaker 5: way that people behave that's sort of insane.
Speaker 6: But people miss it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and their ability to have those kind of
Speaker 1: insane moments. But you don't. They don't lose the fabric
Speaker 1: of what the movie's about, or you're not. You're not
Speaker 1: taking out of the movie for the sake of a
Speaker 1: joke like that. Yeah, the speech a tiger plays like
Speaker 1: a pastor or a priest in and he's given his
Speaker 1: sermon and he's mentioning like fanter and loes, you know,
Speaker 1: lollies and candy, and it's it's hilarious, but you're still
Speaker 1: you're not taken out of the film. You're still kind
Speaker 1: of feeling, you know, the writing motions whenever you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be feeling them.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, I like it because I do think that I
Speaker 5: don't know, a priest is just a regular guy. Our
Speaker 5: priest out well, he was a Franciscan friar. I guess
Speaker 5: is that a I don't know, he was a father
Speaker 5: Jiles at school. He was absolutely wonderful. And also you
Speaker 5: know he wasn't just talking about the Bible. He was
Speaker 5: off on tangents constantly.
Speaker 6: At church.
Speaker 5: You'd be like, dude, it's thirty five degrees and humid
Speaker 5: in this church.
Speaker 6: Does not have any fans. Wrap it up.
Speaker 1: We had a priest too, whenever when they're Catholic, was
Speaker 1: raised Catholic. We've got to church every Saturday. And our
Speaker 1: parish priest was a mad Carlton support in the AFL
Speaker 1: or VFL back then. So if Carlton won, he would
Speaker 1: he would it would be the quickest mass ever because
Speaker 1: all he wanted to do was go back and wants
Speaker 1: to replay. Because now I mean, now there's twenty four
Speaker 1: to seven, you know, access to any aim of any sport,
Speaker 1: but back then you basically had an hour of this
Speaker 1: is like you know, five percent of one of the
Speaker 1: games and ten percent of another game, and then there's
Speaker 1: some little highlights and it went for an hour, and
Speaker 1: that's if you didn't see it, if you didn't record it,
Speaker 1: you missed it. So he was always very keen to
Speaker 1: get back and watch calm. But if Carlton lost, the
Speaker 1: massively a bit longer and it'd be like literally the
Speaker 1: difference between twenty minutes if Carlton one and forty five
Speaker 1: minutes if they lost. So I was always a little
Speaker 1: bit happy if Carlton won, even though they are my
Speaker 1: arch nemesis. As far as the team that I.
Speaker 5: Support, I mean that's good as a win win. I
Speaker 5: guess either way, if they lose, then your team.
Speaker 1: Wins exactly right. Hey, before we get onto good Fellas, Danielle,
Speaker 1: I want to our listeners they can get onto our
Speaker 1: speak pipe and leave a message and be part of
Speaker 1: the show, have a thought about something we've put out
Speaker 1: there on the show. So this is from Nick, who
Speaker 1: joined the speak Pipe.
Speaker 8: Hey, Pete, thank you so much for the podcast. I've
Speaker 8: been loving it. I've been a massive Pete fan ever
Speaker 8: since Skit House and then watching on the Mainland comedy
Speaker 8: Gla Circuit and the Melbourne comedy Gala itself. Always loved it.
Speaker 8: Just really wanted to shout out Infernal Affairs, What a cracking,
Speaker 8: what a cracking movie one of my absolute favorites, and
Speaker 8: I have to say that, come on when you're comparing
Speaker 8: it for the departed. Yes, there has been some stylistic
Speaker 8: choices that have dated in Infernal Affairs, but the same
Speaker 8: can be made about The Departed. The ending with the
Speaker 8: rat crawling is so over the top. Same too with
Speaker 8: the opera scene with Jack Nicholson clapping and cocaine going everywhere.
Speaker 8: It's just I totally agree with your point book that
Speaker 8: you made that the Americans have yet to conquers subtlety.
Speaker 8: I just wanted to give a shout out. If you're
Speaker 8: ever interested in another movie that compares both Western cinema
Speaker 8: versus like you know, Japanese or sorry, Asian cinema, you
Speaker 8: should check out your Jimbo and comparing that to Fist
Speaker 8: full of Dollars. Both use the same, uh same sort
Speaker 8: of screenplay. But your Jimbo was written beforehand. Sorry, it
Speaker 8: was directed beforehand, and you can clearly see that there
Speaker 8: are some shots for shots that seem absolutely identical. Loving
Speaker 8: the podcast, please keep it up much love.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Nick's played that, Danielle just to you know,
Speaker 1: remind everybody that was on Skirit House and the National
Speaker 1: Comedy Festival. Have you seen any of those movies? Have
Speaker 1: you seen Fennal Affairs or The Departed?
Speaker 5: No, I've not seen Oh wait, I watched The Departed
Speaker 5: way back in the day.
Speaker 6: That's right. I watched that as a child.
Speaker 5: That was one that was on TV on a weekend
Speaker 5: when I was allowed to stay up past eight thirty.
Speaker 5: The Departed, that's not Leonardo DiCaprio, isn't it.
Speaker 1: The It's got the Caprio has got Matt Damon and yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a you know, there's a scene that Scorsese he
Speaker 1: put in. It's a remaker of a of a Chinese
Speaker 1: or Hong Kong film calling Ferneral Affairs. We covered a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago with Michael Hings a really fun episode
Speaker 1: and there's a scene at the end of the Scorsese
Speaker 1: version that Departed where there's a rat that crawls across
Speaker 1: the window, ledge or the balcony. But it's clearly saying, oh,
Speaker 1: aren't there Rats are everywhere? And you know, because the
Speaker 1: film is about yeah, there's a lot of corruption, and
Speaker 1: it's just a bit. It's a bit on the nose,
Speaker 1: it's just a bit. You didn't really need to do that, Martin,
Speaker 1: because it's a Scorsese film, funny enough, So yeah, and
Speaker 1: I will check out you Jimbo and a fist full
Speaker 1: of dollars. Embarrassingly, I haven't seen a fistful of dollars.
Speaker 1: I will go and check that out. Thank you, Nick,
Speaker 1: and get onto our speak pipe and we'll start bringing
Speaker 1: more of these to you throughout the show. Okay, let's go,
Speaker 1: Dannie L. Walker. Before right, we asked you whether you
Speaker 1: liked Good Fellows. Let's just have it all. Listen to this.
Speaker 7: To me, being a gangster was better than being President
Speaker 7: of the United States.
Speaker 1: Loves all.
Speaker 3: Even before I first wandered into the cabstand for an
Speaker 3: after school job, I knew I wanted to be a
Speaker 3: part of them, and was there that I knew that
Speaker 3: I belonged to me, And then being somebody in the
Speaker 3: neighborhood that was full of nobody's they weren't like anybody else.
Speaker 7: I mean, they did whatever they wanted. They double parked
Speaker 7: in front of a hydrant, and nobody ever gave them
Speaker 7: a ticket. In the summer, when they played cards all night,
Speaker 7: nobody ever called the cops.
Speaker 1: Must Start Forever from nineteen ninety, based on the book
Speaker 1: Wise Guys by Nicholas Peleggi co written the screenplay with
Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese, who also directed, Obviously starring Rayleioda, The Like
Speaker 1: Great Rayleiota, Robert DeNiro, Jopesky, Lorraine Bracco, Daniel Walker. Did
Speaker 1: you enjoy Goodfellas I did?
Speaker 5: There were there were little bits of it that I
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, that bit maybe could have been shorter,
Speaker 5: but I really I did enjoy it, Like I like
Speaker 5: a movie that starts with when I was a kid.
Speaker 5: Here's all the things, here's all the insight, this is
Speaker 5: everything you need to know about me.
Speaker 6: It just helps me. I like it.
Speaker 1: Well. It's a really interesting point because there are some
Speaker 1: people in you know, the cinephile world who you know,
Speaker 1: really do not like voiceovers, and this one in particular,
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the great voiceovers. I think
Speaker 1: this and Shawshank Redemption Till my favorite voiceover movies. But
Speaker 1: often they say show and don't tell in movies, so
Speaker 1: you know, less dialogue, and you know, it's a visual medium,
Speaker 1: so let's show the audience what you're trying to convey.
Speaker 1: The voiceover is giving a lot of information, which is
Speaker 1: kind of against you know, the film school rules, but
Speaker 1: I think it really works. I think Rayleiotta's voice is
Speaker 1: insanely good, and I don't know, I like it as well.
Speaker 1: I like you know, this is a movie that wants
Speaker 1: to start and like bring you up speed quickly and
Speaker 1: keep moving and with momentum, and I think to bring
Speaker 1: us into this world. I think it's just a really
Speaker 1: good way of doing it. And I felt like I
Speaker 1: knew this world quite quickly, you know, I kind of
Speaker 1: understood a lot of it, you know, yeah, really quickly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I felt like I could understand.
Speaker 5: I felt like you it'd be too much exposition to
Speaker 5: set up why he loves mob life if you didn't
Speaker 5: have all that, Like it would be like to have
Speaker 5: to show his dad hitting him and then to show
Speaker 5: all the stuff he gets, like it would be too much.
Speaker 6: I liked it.
Speaker 5: It was just like this, this, this this great. Now
Speaker 5: I can be in the story.
Speaker 1: Yes, And because this is also over twenty five year period,
Speaker 1: it does kind of make these big dramatic cuts and
Speaker 1: goes back and forth. And you're right, and that's a
Speaker 1: really good example of the dad hitting him with the belt. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a way you could do that, but it's probably
Speaker 1: going to add another minute of screen time, you know,
Speaker 1: to actually build up to that moment. You can't just
Speaker 1: cut to him whacking him with that. Maybe a build
Speaker 1: up to that, I think, so, I think it's also
Speaker 1: a time saving device. And with the film already at
Speaker 1: two and a half hours, I think, you know.
Speaker 6: Devices.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so where do you want to Where do
Speaker 1: you want to start? Well, where do you want to
Speaker 1: go next?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: I would like to go with the This is just
Speaker 5: a thing that they didn't Why did they mention the
Speaker 5: ages of characters at different points? Because that was bits
Speaker 5: that I was like, so, we're supposed to believe that
Speaker 5: Robert de Niro is twenty eight years old right here,
Speaker 5: and then I googled he's forty six years old. And
Speaker 5: then there was another bit where Raleiota when he's marrying
Speaker 5: Karen I think that's her name in the film at nineteen,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, that's clearly a mid thirty couple.
Speaker 1: Well, you exactly right. As far as Rayleiota goes, he
Speaker 1: was thirty five I think when they sh shot this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then yeah, I googled Robert de Niro and
Speaker 5: he said they said I think they said, yeah, forty
Speaker 5: six or something.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 5: I was like, this is not a twenty eight year
Speaker 5: old man. And then but then I liked it later
Speaker 5: on when he was supposed to age up. They just
Speaker 5: put some baby powder in his hair because they were like, really,
Speaker 5: can't look the same at fifty five as he did
Speaker 5: when he was supposedly twenty eight.
Speaker 1: And I mean and Joe Pesky's character Tommy, his looks
Speaker 1: way older than he's supposed to to look as well.
Speaker 1: So how much did that? I have had people talk
Speaker 1: about this and that bothers some more than others. For me,
Speaker 1: I get used to American films. I mean, you would
Speaker 1: never enjoy Grease. You you wouldn't get past the first
Speaker 1: scene of Greece, you know, the movie, not the country,
Speaker 1: if you were perturbed by the ages of those characters.
Speaker 1: I mean, these are high school students, you know, Rizzo's
Speaker 1: thirty five, like they were all. You know, they're probably
Speaker 1: the youngest twenty five. Yeah, And I said, I've never,
Speaker 1: and I've never. I think I clocked obviously that they're
Speaker 1: they're older than they look, and he doesn't look twenty one.
Speaker 1: But it's never It's never bothered me that much. And
Speaker 1: I meanly, I saw this in cinemas when I was sixteen,
Speaker 1: So you know, your your maybe ability to the pinpoint
Speaker 1: ages is a bit skew. If but how much did
Speaker 1: it bother you? Did it take you out enough? Or
Speaker 1: did it or were you able to get through it?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 5: I just wish they hadn't mentioned the ages, because I
Speaker 5: didn't think that I needed to. But they bothered me
Speaker 5: with that bit because also I remembered growing up and
Speaker 5: people were older in films, but I didn't clock that
Speaker 5: the actors were older because I thought, well, they've cast
Speaker 5: somebody who looks that age to play that thing. So
Speaker 5: I grew up genuinely, I had this whole theory in
Speaker 5: my head because I didn't ask anybody about it, that
Speaker 5: you know how you got to go grow corn in
Speaker 5: like a square so that the branches cross pollinate. I
Speaker 5: genuinely thought that in America there were so many more
Speaker 5: people there that like there were womons in the air
Speaker 5: that made them grow up faster. And that's why American
Speaker 5: high school is the kids looked older than anybody at
Speaker 5: my school looked. But I made this theory up in
Speaker 5: my head.
Speaker 1: I had the same theory but without the corn. So
Speaker 1: I honestly thought Americans are just they must grow differently
Speaker 1: and maybe go through puberty before we do, or or
Speaker 1: because they all look older. I mean, yeah, you go
Speaker 1: through high school movies and you know, from without a cause,
Speaker 1: like I said, the Grease. You know, even there's something
Speaker 1: like mean Girls and like everyone's playing and it's gotten better.
Speaker 1: I think, I think now we're onto it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it is a weird thing that can It can ruin
Speaker 1: a movie for you, There's no doubt about it. Or
Speaker 1: I can certainly take you out for enough of a
Speaker 1: period of time where you're not enjoying it as much
Speaker 1: as you should.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the corn theory I love. I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, I never I never went deep enough
Speaker 1: to kind of understand why Americans, you know, looked thirty
Speaker 1: five at high school.
Speaker 6: It's just because they were at thirty five. But I
Speaker 6: just didn't know that.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I think when you say, I think, okay,
Speaker 1: it makes sense. But I didn't know. If you said
Speaker 1: to me this corn had to be grown in the box,
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe maybe not. I don't know. So
Speaker 1: I've learned something today.
Speaker 6: Thank you, no worries.
Speaker 5: I mean I did learn something in the I did
Speaker 5: learn a lot in the film, which I liked as well.
Speaker 6: I did, like the.
Speaker 1: Never to rat on your friends.
Speaker 6: I learned not to run.
Speaker 5: On my friends, and I learned that you can't be
Speaker 5: a made man if you've got a bit of Irish
Speaker 5: in you. Yes, And so I mean, I guess anything
Speaker 5: that's just not Italian, because I was like my partner,
Speaker 5: he's Italian, but he's like, I mean, we've got a
Speaker 5: magnet on the fridge that says proud Aussie wog, but
Speaker 5: he's like one Italian grandparent and the rest are all
Speaker 5: different immigrants. And so I was last night a girl,
Speaker 5: are you excited to watch Goodfellas? Like really amping him
Speaker 5: up for an Italian film all day and then and
Speaker 5: then I at the end it was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 5: sorry that you can't be a made man.
Speaker 6: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Well, I have an update on that,
Speaker 1: to be honest, Danny else. So this may be good
Speaker 1: news because they changed it in two thousand oh the
Speaker 1: five families who were referred to as the Commission got
Speaker 1: together and they have changed it. So you don't need
Speaker 1: to be full Italian as long as long as your
Speaker 1: father is Italian. Ah okay, and your surname needs to
Speaker 1: be Italian, which means that Jimmy Conway and Henry Hill
Speaker 1: still couldn't actually be made man, but I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how that affects your your bl.
Speaker 5: Like if you've got if you've got like if your grandfather,
Speaker 5: if your paternal grandfather is Italian, that would make your
Speaker 5: father like half Italian, which would make you then fine, right,
Speaker 5: and he's got the last name, he's Master Polita.
Speaker 1: Oh that's that sounds atating. I think it could be
Speaker 1: a made man by the end of the year.
Speaker 6: Great, I'll send him out off on some missions.
Speaker 1: Did he enjoy it? Did he watch all of the film?
Speaker 6: Or yeah, he enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: I mean, he'd watched it before, so he was excited
Speaker 5: to watch it again. He said he really liked it, So,
Speaker 5: I mean he did fall asleep towards the end. But
Speaker 5: we've kind of we've got pneumonia in this house, so
Speaker 5: where we're on any biotics where really.
Speaker 6: I had to I'm not gonna lie. I did have to.
Speaker 5: Look up the end of the film this morning, just
Speaker 5: to see if I did remember the end of the film,
Speaker 5: because it just sort of I felt like the way
Speaker 5: it was was like here's all the information at the start,
Speaker 5: and then these really long scenes and or like really
Speaker 5: intricate storytelling. And then towards the end, which I guess
Speaker 5: is I guess it's supposed to portray his descent into
Speaker 5: sort of manic thoughts and sort of stress or something
Speaker 5: like the really short, sharp scenes that came towards the end.
Speaker 5: But I really I feel like sometimes I need longer
Speaker 5: scenes to latch onto. If they're too fast, I'll be like, oh,
Speaker 5: like almost like strobe lights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean it's obviously a deliberate choice. To
Speaker 1: the start of the film has these beautiful, long kind
Speaker 1: of tracking shots where we get introduced to everyone. In fact,
Speaker 1: let's have a little listen to the first introduction. We're
Speaker 1: walking into the Bamboo Lounge, which is soon to be
Speaker 1: set on fire, but this is where we meet the guys.
Speaker 7: There was Jimmy and Tommy and me, and there was
Speaker 7: Anthony Stabile, Frankie Carbone, and then there was more Black's
Speaker 7: brother Fat Andy and his guys, Frankie the Wild, Freddie
Speaker 7: No Nose, and then there was Pete the Killer who
Speaker 7: was Sally Balls's brother. And you had Nicky Ayes and
Speaker 7: Mikey franchise I want to see it, and Jimmy two
Speaker 7: times you've got that nickname because he said everything twice
Speaker 7: late you want to go.
Speaker 1: Get thee get the people might wind it up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I said, it's it's beautiful. And again go back to
Speaker 1: the voiceover and introducing us to the work that world.
Speaker 1: Most of those characters don't even appear that much in
Speaker 1: the film or if ever after that, some of them,
Speaker 1: but you are just taking into this world and you
Speaker 1: have these beautiful long tracking shots in the first half
Speaker 1: of the film, particularly early, and then you have the
Speaker 1: beautiful one where he takes Karen out on the date
Speaker 1: and that you go through the kitchen and then they
Speaker 1: bring a table out and you know, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if you've ever had a table carried for you, you know,
Speaker 1: in a restaurant. That's that's my dream, Danielle. But it's
Speaker 1: it's it's such an incredible shots and and they're littered
Speaker 1: in the first half of the film, and then in
Speaker 1: the back half of the film when as you say,
Speaker 1: he's coked up and he's done to get paranoid, the
Speaker 1: editing becomes much kind of more frenetic and tiger.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I I.
Speaker 5: Did have some questions about the film, and maybe I
Speaker 5: can ask just those two, which was because I loved
Speaker 5: I think like the thing that really set up like
Speaker 5: the love of the Mafia sort of mob situation was
Speaker 5: like that scene when he goes to court and then
Speaker 5: at the end they're all sort of waiting there to
Speaker 5: like hug him and congratulated him and be like, oh,
Speaker 5: you're a part of this family and stuff like that
Speaker 5: was really nice, and also you could see why, you know,
Speaker 5: I did Scouts growing up, and I was like, oh, yes,
Speaker 5: this is my tribe, these are my people, and I
Speaker 5: feel like I was confused by so that the reason
Speaker 5: that they didn't because I just didn't understand why they
Speaker 5: liked Tommy the whole time he seemed fully psychotic. Is
Speaker 5: was it sort of like a relationship of they were
Speaker 5: hoping that he would be a made man and so
Speaker 5: then that would provide them protection. They were hoping the
Speaker 5: whole time that if they aligned themselves with him that
Speaker 5: would be the case. Because I just sort of felt
Speaker 5: like the whole time he was fully crazy, killing people,
Speaker 5: going nuts, and if I was them, I would have
Speaker 5: been like, I don't actually want to hang out with
Speaker 5: this guy. He's freaking me out a little bit, and
Speaker 5: he's gonna just cheat people and we're going to get
Speaker 5: sent to prison.
Speaker 1: My reading on Tommy, I don't think they're doing it
Speaker 1: for strategic reasons because he might be a made man
Speaker 1: at some point. It's more that simpler that they are.
Speaker 1: They're aware that they are surrounded by potentially dangerous characters,
Speaker 1: but because they the family feel too. And you said,
Speaker 1: you know, when the young Henry comes out of the
Speaker 1: court case, you know he's embraced, and you do. I
Speaker 1: think it's an excellent point that you make. You really
Speaker 1: do feel you feel good for him. You know, he's
Speaker 1: getting beaten up at home. This is this is his
Speaker 1: new family, and so you're on board that these guys
Speaker 1: are going to take care of each other. Now we
Speaker 1: all know where it goes and they start, you know,
Speaker 1: double crossing each other. But up until that point, and
Speaker 1: I think Tommy does get more dangerous as the movie
Speaker 1: goes along. But with that said, you know he does
Speaker 1: hold court, you know at the restaurant, is a funny guy,
Speaker 1: like they are genuinely pissing himselves, laughing at everything he does.
Speaker 1: And you know you can imagine, you know, being entertained
Speaker 1: by this guy and not think he's gonna Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: like a brother. You know, he's not going to so
Speaker 1: I think that's and I've kind of I don't know
Speaker 1: anyone is extremist Tommy, but I know I certainly know
Speaker 1: guys who are being around people who can be really funny,
Speaker 1: but they have other quirks of their personality that you
Speaker 1: don't love, but you know you not only tolerate them,
Speaker 1: but you can actually still, you know, put your arm
Speaker 1: around him and and you know you're part of their
Speaker 1: They're part of the gang. And I think I think
Speaker 1: it gets more worrying as it goes along. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's I think one of the odd time great introductions
Speaker 1: to a character, even though it's not the first time
Speaker 1: we se him on screen, is the I'm funny, I'm
Speaker 1: funny how scene? Yeah, which is it's kind of terrifying.
Speaker 1: I kind of love watching these scenes in movies where
Speaker 1: it is just on on the edge of somebody who
Speaker 1: you just and it sets it up because we know
Speaker 1: stuff's gonna happen later where he does kind of carry
Speaker 1: through with some stuff which we'll get too soon. But
Speaker 1: that that scene, how did you feel watching that I'm
Speaker 1: funny how scene?
Speaker 5: Well, I I think we are him in that moment
Speaker 5: where Henry in that moment, like, yeah, I think we
Speaker 5: have to wait till the moment to be like, oh,
Speaker 5: I think he's ah, he's joking with us, but he's
Speaker 5: just like you can't really tell. But also it felt
Speaker 5: like a dominance move a little bit, and I was like, Okay, oh,
Speaker 5: he wants us to like he's joking with us, but
Speaker 5: he also wants to see if he'll be able to
Speaker 5: dominate us sort of in that way. And yeah, it
Speaker 5: made me feel uncomfortable and also not Yeah, I just
Speaker 5: didn't like I never liked Tommy at all, but I
Speaker 5: also know that, like I could. I think it was
Speaker 5: like I think as humor obviously changes over time and
Speaker 5: stuff as well, it's like I understand that this is
Speaker 5: probably at the time super funny, and we're also watching
Speaker 5: it like midway through a conversation, so you're not fully
Speaker 5: getting the like beats of it. But I'm understanding that
Speaker 5: he's like a funny guy, but I'm also absolutely terrified
Speaker 5: of this psycho little man. And I think, like I
Speaker 5: just felt the whole time, I was like, why is
Speaker 5: everybody hanging.
Speaker 6: Out with this little absolute fruit loop?
Speaker 5: He's gonna kill I Just like I didn't find any
Speaker 5: redeeming qualities in Tommy at all. And that also that
Speaker 5: then made me question the judgment of everybody else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and like I said, I actually
Speaker 1: forget that whatever joke he was telling. And you know,
Speaker 1: I said, he wasn't judging his material, but just the
Speaker 1: idea that he that he had he had the room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and those people are anyone can know who can have
Speaker 1: a room, you know. And I'm not necessarily talking as
Speaker 1: comedians on stage, but like just sitting around and having
Speaker 1: a group of twenty people laugh at him, it's pretty
Speaker 1: intoxicating for a lot of people to kind of go, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a fun guy to be around, whether you like
Speaker 1: his comedy or not. But these guys clearly did. And
Speaker 1: then I think it's interesting because according to the real
Speaker 1: Henry Hill, Joe Pesky's kind of performance as Tommy is
Speaker 1: like he said, ninety ninety nine percent accurate because these
Speaker 1: are all you know, he's based on real characters. And
Speaker 1: he said the only difference was the real Tommy was
Speaker 1: quite heavily built. But I think it's quite interesting that,
Speaker 1: like putting aside the creative license that they've taken, I
Speaker 1: think it's more interesting that he is quite quite small
Speaker 1: because he's got this Napoleon complex, you know, he's got
Speaker 1: this inferiority complex that kind of I don't know, he's
Speaker 1: just bubbling away and you know he's a centimeter away
Speaker 1: from from tipping over the edge.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does make you feel like a certain I
Speaker 5: like I did feel like a if he wasn't killing people,
Speaker 5: I would have felt a little bit like sorry for
Speaker 5: him a little bit with that sort of little man
Speaker 5: syndrome of like I got to prove myself like a chihuahua.
Speaker 1: And it's that that basically turns the whole movie on
Speaker 1: its head because it's his inability to take this kind
Speaker 1: of pretty gently gentle ribbing from Billy Batts about him
Speaker 1: being a shoe shiner. Yeah, that turns everything upside down
Speaker 1: because they kill a made man, and then it's and
Speaker 1: then it's it's you know, it's it's how to pay
Speaker 1: after that. There's an interesting thing about that scene. How
Speaker 1: my funny scene is that joke Joe Pesky, it actually
Speaker 1: happened to him in real life. Somebody, like a real
Speaker 1: life mobster kind of took the piss out of him
Speaker 1: by saying, you know, you know, why do you think
Speaker 1: I'm funding in my clown. And he told that story
Speaker 1: to Martin Scorsese, and it wasn't in the script, but
Speaker 1: Martin Scorsese said on the day, and he brought Rayleiotta
Speaker 1: in on it. He goes, I'm not going to tell
Speaker 1: anyone else, so the extras won't know, all the other
Speaker 1: actors won't know this is going to happen, but just
Speaker 1: play this out and let's see where it goes. So
Speaker 1: the reactions of those around Joe Pesky and Rayleiotta are
Speaker 1: kind of genuine and in the moment, and they're not
Speaker 1: knowing where the fuck this is going, which.
Speaker 6: I Love's yeah, that's really cool.
Speaker 1: And because it does obviously get to the point where,
Speaker 1: like I said, a lot of the stuff doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: we don't get through the film without Tommy because he's
Speaker 1: the one who keeps sucking up, you know, and then
Speaker 1: he starts, he certainly starts to fucking up, and then
Speaker 1: Henry Hill starts fucking up. They start losing trust each other,
Speaker 1: they start lying to each other. But there is the
Speaker 1: scene that I want to play, maybe the scene I
Speaker 1: think of the most when I think of this film,
Speaker 1: which is the scene between they're all in their their
Speaker 1: little hangout, and it is Tommy again being thin skinned
Speaker 1: and having some fun invert commas with Spider. I'm going
Speaker 1: to play it in two parts. This is the first
Speaker 1: part of Spider and Tommy.
Speaker 4: All Right, your little wreck. I thought, I thought I
Speaker 4: wants a drink.
Speaker 1: Now I'll bring it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll give me a fucking drink, moving a little thread.
Speaker 6: You want my fucking stuff, and.
Speaker 4: Everybody else you're fucking run for mere dance, dance the
Speaker 4: fucking drink back here. Watch that movie which one, the
Speaker 4: one where we played a coup. We only do you
Speaker 4: alcohola kit, Malklahoma kit.
Speaker 6: That's me. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now he's moving army. All right, So he got shot
Speaker 4: in the foot. What is it to take him the bank?
Speaker 8: Caset?
Speaker 4: A little prick?
Speaker 6: Let him crawl there like he cross.
Speaker 4: For get back about the street physics.
Speaker 1: So he is shot Spider in the foot. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: shot about four four rounds. So it's actually it's actually
Speaker 1: almost an accident that he didn't actually shoot him, which
Speaker 1: is about to happen. But there's something because I've seen
Speaker 1: these quite a few times, so I kind of divorced
Speaker 1: myself from you know, I don't think I necessarily found
Speaker 1: a certainly in fut funny the first time I saw it,
Speaker 1: But the more I watch it, I think when you
Speaker 1: start watching performances, there's something about Joe Pesky's performance where
Speaker 1: he's just like totally dismissing what he has done, which
Speaker 1: I find darkly humorous. I do find oh well I
Speaker 1: shot him like you know, like you she shot Okay, Look,
Speaker 1: I do find that really darkly funny.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I guess he's like in his like in
Speaker 5: my mind, I think that's so funny because it is
Speaker 5: like that thing of like he's like, ah well I
Speaker 5: could have killed him.
Speaker 6: Look, I just did a tiny little thing.
Speaker 5: It's like a slap on the wrist in his mind,
Speaker 5: like if if the punishment normally is death, then this
Speaker 5: is just like a little slap to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And the great thing about this is the
Speaker 1: next THINGE almost works without that even scene happening. You
Speaker 1: have to obviously change I think week because we know
Speaker 1: Tommy is on edge and he's thin skinned. But then
Speaker 1: we come back Spider's returned with his foot bandaged up.
Speaker 1: Spider played of course by Michael Imperiali from The Sopranos
Speaker 1: we'll get to the amount of sopranos actors in this film,
Speaker 1: also more recently in White Lotus Season two. But he
Speaker 1: comes back with his foot heavily bandaged, and Tommy he
Speaker 1: still wants to have some inverted commas fun with him.
Speaker 4: Tell it you you looking for sympathy?
Speaker 1: Is that it's sweety? Why don't you go fuck yourself?
Speaker 7: Tommy?
Speaker 2: Believe I just hope it's fair.
Speaker 7: Feel got a boy, but it's gives.
Speaker 4: Me a lot of fucking balls.
Speaker 1: Good for you. Don't take your shoot off nobody.
Speaker 6: She shoots them of their.
Speaker 4: Get away with you. Canna let this fucking punk get
Speaker 4: away with the smile?
Speaker 6: What's the world coming to?
Speaker 4: What the fucking world is coming to?
Speaker 8: You?
Speaker 2: Like that?
Speaker 3: That's that?
Speaker 8: All right?
Speaker 4: What's the fun?
Speaker 2: The matter? What is the fucking matter? What are you stupid?
Speaker 3: Or one?
Speaker 1: I'm kidding with you?
Speaker 2: What the fuck are you doing? You?
Speaker 6: What a fucking sick maniac?
Speaker 4: I don't know if your kid?
Speaker 8: What do you mean?
Speaker 4: You're kidding you freaking my fucking blah, fucking kidd it
Speaker 4: with you?
Speaker 1: You'll fucking shoot the guy. He's dead? What was going
Speaker 1: through you? I mean, were you expecting that? Like were
Speaker 1: you when those discussions were happening, when you know, even earlier,
Speaker 1: when when when Spider was saying, you know, I didn't know,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what you meant. I didn't know you
Speaker 1: meant you're kind of almost arguing with him, You're almost nervous.
Speaker 1: Then and then when he comes back and says fuck
Speaker 1: you and the ribbing that then de Niro Jimmy gives him.
Speaker 1: Did you foresee what was about to happen? Did you
Speaker 1: have that feeling of dread?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I felt like I knew he was gonna kill
Speaker 5: him as soon as he spoke back, and it stressed
Speaker 5: me out. And then also when he had that he
Speaker 5: had like a different gun, Like he didn't have one
Speaker 5: of those little guns. He had like a bigger I
Speaker 5: don't know what it is, like if it's automatic handgun
Speaker 5: or something like. It was different to those are the ones.
Speaker 5: And that was like I was like, Oh, he's like
Speaker 5: gotten a bigger gun, and this is stressful. But also
Speaker 5: I felt like I felt like it was like Spy.
Speaker 5: In my mind, Spider was sort of like the new
Speaker 5: Henry Harry Henry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Henry Henry.
Speaker 5: And I felt like it was like, oh, these guys
Speaker 5: are not creating that family environment that he had growing up,
Speaker 5: and so it's not going to have the same end
Speaker 5: of like the way PAULI has like this peaceful.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: He comes out of prison and it's just like, nah,
Speaker 5: I don't want to die, I don't want I just
Speaker 5: were not doing that stuff anymore. And I felt like
Speaker 5: this was like the thing of like, oh, these boys
Speaker 5: want to the rest of life, doesn't it doesn't impact them,
Speaker 5: like they want to be in the boys group for
Speaker 5: forever and they'll continue to go down and it's just
Speaker 5: them like they're not thinking about the next generation or
Speaker 5: like fing that same family environment which creates that like
Speaker 5: family vibe, Like they were never going to create that
Speaker 5: family vibe because they just expected it, like they didn't
Speaker 5: watch the way they treated other people.
Speaker 1: I think that's such an excellent point because I had
Speaker 1: a wrote down that it's no coincidence that Spider looks
Speaker 1: like a young young Henry like in Scorsese films. I've
Speaker 1: often said covered a few, there's no coincidences. So the casting,
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously they've cast an Italian to play it,
Speaker 1: but there is a similarity. And it's interesting that Henry
Speaker 1: does go to Spider and he actually looks like Jimmy's
Speaker 1: kind of angry at what he's done, but it's more like,
Speaker 1: you know, he knows it's an inconvenience and now they
Speaker 1: had to deal with this where Henry, the look on
Speaker 1: Henry's face is like, fuck, this is this is not
Speaker 1: the way this is going to be. And maybe you're right,
Speaker 1: maybe there is that you know, Henry responds to feeling
Speaker 1: like he can see himself in in Young Young Spider.
Speaker 1: I think that's a really excellent point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I felt like.
Speaker 5: I felt like Henry just likes the like he's like
Speaker 5: results driven, Like he just wants the outcomes, Like he
Speaker 5: wants to be treated like a celebrity. He wants to
Speaker 5: have the money to buy things and do things. And
Speaker 5: I felt like Tommy was like he likes the power
Speaker 5: that comes with killing people and like he doesn't necessarily
Speaker 5: care as much about the money as he cares about
Speaker 5: having respect from other people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Henry wants Henry wants to be a rock star
Speaker 1: and he wants he doesn't want to work the way
Speaker 1: the other slubs work, And he points out out in
Speaker 1: the you know, in those early voiceovers and to the
Speaker 1: point where, in real life, once this movie comes out,
Speaker 1: Henry Hill starts start doing interviews and ringing Howard Stern
Speaker 1: on air and like, so the FBI basically had their
Speaker 1: basically say, Okay, well you're not You're noting witness relocation anymore.
Speaker 1: You can't be ringing Howard's done for witness relocation. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: he clearly wanted to be known and be loved and
Speaker 1: be famous. That was I think he's a driving force.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it was really interesting though, different ways
Speaker 5: of being in situations.
Speaker 1: Did you love What did you think of Henry Hill?
Speaker 1: Did you I think it's an amazing performance from Rayleiota.
Speaker 1: He doesn't get nominated for an Oscar, which I think
Speaker 1: we'll get through the Oscars of that year because it
Speaker 1: is one of the more controversial oscars. Did you like
Speaker 1: Henry do you? What were your thoughts?
Speaker 5: I think at the start I did really like him
Speaker 5: because I could see like how intoxicating it would be
Speaker 5: and to feel like, you know, you've got your people
Speaker 5: and this nice, fun lifestyle. I think when he started
Speaker 5: to go through that downfall of being obsessed with it
Speaker 5: and putting it above everything else, that's, you know, when
Speaker 5: I was, I felt like he'd become a bit of
Speaker 5: a monster, and I didn't like him at the end.
Speaker 5: I felt like it was like too obsessive, like when
Speaker 5: is enough enough? And also in my mind, I was like, dude,
Speaker 5: stop gambling, have some savings. You'd have a nice little
Speaker 5: nest egg. You'd just honestly, you wouldn't have to do
Speaker 5: all this, like Poorie, I guarantee you Paulie, he's fine.
Speaker 5: He's been investing. And then they were like when he
Speaker 5: got out of prison and he was like, where's the
Speaker 5: coke or whatever? That's sixty grand And in the background
Speaker 5: there's this dressing table covered in gold jewelry, and I
Speaker 5: was like, you're fine, you just sell some of that.
Speaker 5: You're gonna be absolutely a okay dude, there's just invest
Speaker 5: and or stop renovating this house. You're renovating your house
Speaker 5: every two weeks, apparently because you got this rock wall
Speaker 5: that opens like the Mistress's apartment was absolutely the height
Speaker 5: of beautiful decorp. I was like, honestly, just you've been
Speaker 5: spending frivolously and I know that that's what you want,
Speaker 5: but in inves in a few nice statement pieces that
Speaker 5: will last year life and then you're fine.
Speaker 1: The rock War that opened was special. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was futuristic that he I loved his
Speaker 1: performance and and you know, I'm somebody who basically what
Speaker 1: I love about watching movies is I kind of you
Speaker 1: can root for people who you wouldn't usually root for
Speaker 1: in real life, you know, like, you know, I know
Speaker 1: Henry's a bad guy. You know, you watched Chopper and
Speaker 1: you kind of you root for Chopper even though you
Speaker 1: realize that he kills people, and you know, but that's
Speaker 1: what movies can do. By giving us an insight into
Speaker 1: somebody's life and finding ways for us to have empathy
Speaker 1: with people we would normally not have empathy for. You
Speaker 1: can kind of end up cheering for the bad guys.
Speaker 1: That's why sometimes the movies we chief for the bad guys,
Speaker 1: and sometimes we chief it like, you know, the criminals,
Speaker 1: and sometimes we chief for the cops, depending on where
Speaker 1: the lenses and whose point of view we're actually following
Speaker 1: this story from. I think, really lot is amazing in
Speaker 1: this movie. But somebody who gives this movie a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of energy and I think a deeper meaning is
Speaker 1: Lorraine Bracco, who plays Karen. I mean, that is a
Speaker 1: fascinating character. She absolutely kills it. If you watch a Sopranos,
Speaker 1: you'll know she is also you know, she's doctor Melfi
Speaker 1: in the Sopranos. She is just brilliant. And I know
Speaker 1: she was paranoid during the making of this film. I
Speaker 1: think she said the reporters that she knew she had
Speaker 1: to make every scene count because she thought, you know,
Speaker 1: being a woman in this kind of male driven mafia
Speaker 1: kind of film, it would be easy potentially for scorsesea
Speaker 1: to take her out of the film and just have
Speaker 1: her as you know ear he got married early and
Speaker 1: then that kind of and whatever happened after that, whatever happened.
Speaker 1: But she made it impossible for Martin Scorsasa to to
Speaker 1: take her out of this film because she's incredible.
Speaker 6: Yeah. No, I really loved her.
Speaker 5: I thought that, I know, like I really empathized with
Speaker 5: her character, Like I felt like coming into it not
Speaker 5: knowing really about mob life or whatever, like she just
Speaker 5: saw similar Like she I felt like she started with
Speaker 5: the same perspective as Henry, Like it's sort of like,
Speaker 5: oh wow, look, these people sort of look after you
Speaker 5: and you get the best things and you get this
Speaker 5: special treatment that maybe she hasn't had in her life before,
Speaker 5: being she just seemed like a suburban lady. And then
Speaker 5: to watch her downfall as well was sort of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: if this is the thing that you love. I just
Speaker 5: really thought she was really excellent.
Speaker 6: At doing it.
Speaker 5: And I think at the end seeing her fully frazzled
Speaker 5: and coped out too was like an interesting like she
Speaker 5: fully was like, I will commit to you no matter what,
Speaker 5: even if that means I will.
Speaker 6: Sent with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was a really wonderfully complicated character in that
Speaker 1: she didn't make always the right choice. In fact, she
Speaker 1: makes a series of wrong choices. You know. She says
Speaker 1: when he handed me the gun, her girlfriends would have said,
Speaker 1: get what he'd get away from this guy. But I
Speaker 1: was turned on by this, you know. And she goes
Speaker 1: down his path and marries him, and instantly we know
Speaker 1: it's a bad marriage. I think they have the ceremony
Speaker 1: in the next I don't think it's necessarily the next day,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's a time lapse. But the next
Speaker 1: scene we see is Henry come home drunk and you know,
Speaker 1: and late, and they're waiting up for him with her
Speaker 1: parents and he ends up just walking away and laughing
Speaker 1: because he's mother in laways is having a go at him.
Speaker 1: So we know that there was no real honeymoon period.
Speaker 1: The honeymoon period happened before the marriage potentially. But she
Speaker 1: makes he his you know, you think she's going to
Speaker 1: leave him, and she doesn't, but you certainly feel that
Speaker 1: she's trapped. What's kind of sad about the character in
Speaker 1: a way, and in a kind of a beautiful, kind
Speaker 1: of sematic way, is that is that you see her
Speaker 1: with all the balls at that start when she kind
Speaker 1: of takes him on in the street in front of
Speaker 1: all the all the gangsters, you know, all the mafia guys,
Speaker 1: and she calls him out and then he kind of
Speaker 1: smiles at her, and all of a sudden, she's like, well,
Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see. You know, she's ballsy, but she's
Speaker 1: also she can be emotional as well, because you know,
Speaker 1: when he stands her up, she's crying at the table,
Speaker 1: and so you never quite sure which way. And there
Speaker 1: are times when she really demonstrates that ballsiness and that courage,
Speaker 1: and there's other times where she maybe takes an easier
Speaker 1: way out, or even when he wakes up in the
Speaker 1: gun's directed you know, at his head, which is a
Speaker 1: great shot and the powerful moment, and you know, does
Speaker 1: she pulled the trigger? But she can't pull the trigger
Speaker 1: because she she does actually despite everything and despot all
Speaker 1: her best probably much of the fiber of her being
Speaker 1: telling her and a lot of her friends and know
Speaker 1: that her parents telling her this is no good for you.
Speaker 1: She can't. She's strapped.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I I it was that scene because I feel
Speaker 5: like it's such a hard scene to watch because I
Speaker 5: felt like she was trying to recapture that sort of
Speaker 5: like essence of being like angry at him. But then
Speaker 5: because she at the start she could go off at
Speaker 5: him because she didn't have anything to lose, but now
Speaker 5: she does have stuff to lose, so she can never
Speaker 5: fully just completely unleash on him in the same way
Speaker 5: because she does want something from him. But then I
Speaker 5: was also like, Okay, when Janice is visiting him in
Speaker 5: prison and he's going to be in there for four years,
Speaker 5: that's your perfect opportunity to go. You're losing everything and
Speaker 5: he's showed that he's not going to look after you
Speaker 5: in the way you want to be looked after. Completely
Speaker 5: get out of there, Well you got this time. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you can go into I mean, I know it's like,
Speaker 5: don't rat, but go into witness tection lady.
Speaker 6: Seriously, I don't know it.
Speaker 1: Just you can find another house with a rock wall
Speaker 1: that you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got to stop judging the characters and say
Speaker 5: because I do like the movie, but and the whole time,
Speaker 5: and this is the whole thing with movies with me
Speaker 5: is I I just want everybody to have a nice
Speaker 5: time and make the right decision. And then I realized
Speaker 5: that that's not a movie that people want to watch.
Speaker 5: But I just go, you know, this will be easier
Speaker 5: for you if you just communicated and then you left
Speaker 5: or whatever. But that's not a good movie, that.
Speaker 1: Is, yeah, Bridge. My wife often says that she just,
Speaker 1: you know, when don't they do this or what do
Speaker 1: they you know, why did they choose to do that?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, because it's a movie and you
Speaker 1: need at least ninety minutes, and you're what you're proposing
Speaker 1: cuts it down to seven minutes, and that's too short.
Speaker 5: I do think people would enjoy that though. As a child,
Speaker 5: that was my dream to just have a movie with
Speaker 5: none of the emotional arcs because I didn't want to
Speaker 5: feel them, Like in the Lying when with Foster died,
Speaker 5: I was like, this would be a great movie if
Speaker 5: it was just them in the jungle to Mon and
Speaker 5: Pomba and him singing on logs like I don't want
Speaker 5: to have the dad dying. I just want to have
Speaker 5: fun in the bush.
Speaker 1: I do love. We kind of skipped over it a
Speaker 1: little bit, but it does obviously there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a time linear thing, a nonlinear thing going on
Speaker 1: with the we join. We go back to the start
Speaker 1: of the movie, which we you know, which is the
Speaker 1: bang on the boot as a way of starting that movie,
Speaker 1: which goes into the voiceover and then coming back to it,
Speaker 1: did you love? Did you love that sequence? Something you
Speaker 1: could see like Tarantino in that kind of moment the
Speaker 1: bang on the boot, and then you know that what's that?
Speaker 1: Did I hit something? I don't know? There's something kind
Speaker 1: of particularly when you know what's going to happen, there's
Speaker 1: something quite amusing about it's just showing Gangster's these good fellows,
Speaker 1: mobs is whatever we want to call them as in
Speaker 1: moments of humanity in a way like when I say humanity,
Speaker 1: like they're being real people, like we kind of The
Speaker 1: Godfather is, you know, my favorite films, and they are
Speaker 1: done in a very different way. You're not seeing as
Speaker 1: much of those them responding to They respond to moments
Speaker 1: in a kind of classical, kind of almost a knowing way,
Speaker 1: where this is then these guys just hanging out, you know,
Speaker 1: this is like there's no scenes in The Godfather where
Speaker 1: Michael's just hanging out and then they're chatting about pop
Speaker 1: culture or you know, and it's almost Seinfeldian in a
Speaker 1: way for me to see these guys reacted to banging
Speaker 1: on the boot knowing and even that you know that
Speaker 1: they go from having dinner, you know, they they go
Speaker 1: to the mum's house, Tommy's mum's house, and they sit
Speaker 1: down for a dinner with the guy in the boot.
Speaker 1: Tommy's mum played by Catherine Scorsese. Mind you, Martin's real life,
Speaker 1: but the conversations they're having, she tells me a little
Speaker 1: joke and shows them a painting and and what do
Speaker 1: you think of those kind of sequences.
Speaker 5: I really liked it because I liked at the start, Yeah,
Speaker 5: like it's like you start with this thing, so you've
Speaker 5: got to have something to warrant the six minutes of
Speaker 5: backstory that you're going to get as the next thing.
Speaker 5: So I really liked that, like reasoning of like how
Speaker 5: did he get there? And then I liked when seeing it,
Speaker 5: it was so comedic that evening like that evening is
Speaker 5: an evening. You couldn't imagine him coming into the bar
Speaker 5: making the shoe shining joke, him Leaven coming back killing him,
Speaker 5: then them having to go dispose of this body, but
Speaker 5: in the meantime going to get the shovel from the
Speaker 5: grandma from the mom's house, and then her doing like
Speaker 5: and I think that a mum would do, which is like,
Speaker 5: I haven't seen you in ages, Let's have a three
Speaker 5: am full dinner with the boys. Come on in the
Speaker 5: hospitality of it, like yeah, the way you try with
Speaker 5: a mum or nana to just be like I gotta
Speaker 5: come and go and then I don't know. We with
Speaker 5: my nana, we're like, okay, we need to go in
Speaker 5: half an hour, so we better start leaving now because
Speaker 5: she's going to need to take us to go over
Speaker 5: to the thing to check the geese and then go
Speaker 5: check pick out handtawels that we want to take with us,
Speaker 5: and it is that nightmare of that the blood trying
Speaker 5: to make up an excuse that doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 5: but she doesn't care.
Speaker 6: She knows he's in the mob.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I guess that's what I'm saying in a
Speaker 1: way that these moments of real life that they don't
Speaker 1: like when Rayleiotto or Henry Hill is trying to do
Speaker 1: this last little kind of scheme of his at the
Speaker 1: end where there's helicopters and that he's still worried about
Speaker 1: the pasta sauce, you know, and he's still there's the
Speaker 1: fact that they have to go to the mother's house
Speaker 1: to get the shovel, like that is like some practical
Speaker 1: stuff that needs to happen for them to carry out
Speaker 1: their jobs. Where there's a version of this film where
Speaker 1: they have the shovel of course in the back of
Speaker 1: the car, and that I don't need it, but obviously
Speaker 1: it Scorsese wants to wants to have them, you know,
Speaker 1: have this meeting with with the with the mum that,
Speaker 1: like I said, doesn't need to happen, but it gives them,
Speaker 1: it makes them more humane and also shows that Jimmy
Speaker 1: and Tommy are getting I've gotten over this far quicker
Speaker 1: than Henry, because Henry is quite quiet in that in
Speaker 1: that dinner, the mother kind of comments on that, and
Speaker 1: they're they're laughing and joking about the fact that the
Speaker 1: guy and the picture looks on the guy they've murdered,
Speaker 1: joking in front of the mother, who you know, they're
Speaker 1: not telling that there's a guy in the boot. She's unaware.
Speaker 1: Apparently Scorsese actually didn't tell his mother that actually that
Speaker 1: was happening, so she was unaware that the part of
Speaker 1: this scene was that the fact that they were there
Speaker 1: whilst there was a body in the boot, which is
Speaker 1: I think is a nice touch that is funny.
Speaker 6: I mean, I do like that.
Speaker 5: It's sort of like, I guess, like I haven't watched
Speaker 5: The Godfather or The Sopranos yet I got to get
Speaker 5: onto those. But I liked that it was a juxtaposition
Speaker 5: between Paulie, who's maybe moved into that next phase of
Speaker 5: his life where he's more calm and sensible and thinks
Speaker 5: things through, and these guys are just stuck in that
Speaker 5: puberty sort of insanity. I think it showed that they
Speaker 5: were probably never going to be Tommy was never going
Speaker 5: to be a made man. He's just not like he's
Speaker 5: not able to grow up. And I think the rest
Speaker 5: of them, it feels like this posse of people who
Speaker 5: can't grow up past that sort of like flashy stage
Speaker 5: of life. And that's also why they're still having these
Speaker 5: chats with their moms and stuff. Because they don't have
Speaker 5: a shovel of their own at their own house. They're
Speaker 5: never going to grow up. I did enjoy that for
Speaker 5: that reason. It was just like, Okay, so wait, these
Speaker 5: I don't know what age they are at this point,
Speaker 5: because at no point am I aware of what age
Speaker 5: they're supposed to be because they look a decade older slash.
Speaker 5: I don't know how old Daniro is supposed to be
Speaker 5: at the end, but he looks the same, just with
Speaker 5: white hair, and so yeah, I just feel like they're
Speaker 5: stuck forever. And maybe I felt like Daniro was the
Speaker 5: one who he felt like he was growing up at
Speaker 5: a certain point towards the end, like when. But then
Speaker 5: I also don't know, because I felt like they separated
Speaker 5: them and maybe that is what makes you grow up,
Speaker 5: when you have to separate from your friends or something
Speaker 5: to maybe poorly used to have a best friend but
Speaker 5: I was just interested by that separation that comes from there.
Speaker 5: Well maybe Tommy was holding them together. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just because DeNiro Jimmy Conway. He kind of
Speaker 1: feels like every time I watch good Fellers, and I
Speaker 1: would have seen it maybe ten times now, every time
Speaker 1: I watch it, I do I do kind of forget
Speaker 1: that Jimmy actually is as bad as Tommy, Like I
Speaker 1: always kind of think of him as the arm around
Speaker 1: Henry at the start of the film saying you know,
Speaker 1: you know, well done, you know you did the right thing,
Speaker 1: and you're part of the family now, and ushering him
Speaker 1: into the family that seem we spoke about earlier. But he,
Speaker 1: you know, he basically is the one who kind of
Speaker 1: has the idea I can just bump off all these friends,
Speaker 1: all these family members who are surrounded with this is
Speaker 1: a great shot, and this is you know, Martin Scorsese
Speaker 1: in this film does a lot of telling and showing
Speaker 1: through the voiceover, but there's a great shot of de
Speaker 1: Niro at the bar with this look on his face
Speaker 1: where the idea is coming to him that, ah, if
Speaker 1: I get rid of everybody involved in this heist, then
Speaker 1: I'm going to I won't need to work another day
Speaker 1: in my life like this. It's just a beautiful shot
Speaker 1: of him and that thought coming across his face, that
Speaker 1: is just it's amazing. And and and that's when all
Speaker 1: these sloppy decisions, you know, even as Henry taking on
Speaker 1: a mistress and then taking on another mistress on top
Speaker 1: of that, you know, of getting into the dealing with
Speaker 1: the drugs, which is a big kind of thing in
Speaker 1: mafia films that it comes up in The Godfather and
Speaker 1: I'm sure the Sopranos as well, where it's like drugs
Speaker 1: are a bit of a no no. And one of
Speaker 1: the key things I think to think about with anything
Speaker 1: to do with the mafia as far as Godfather, Sopranos
Speaker 1: and Good Fellows is there's a one of the things
Speaker 1: I think we admire about them is that they do
Speaker 1: have a code of honor. There's there's certain things they
Speaker 1: live by, and I think that's that's attractive to our
Speaker 1: for characters in movies to have. Now, of course they
Speaker 1: portray those ethics and values to the detriment of almost everyone,
Speaker 1: but they do. And at the start they say, don't
Speaker 1: write on your friends, and keep your mouth shut, and
Speaker 1: and but it is about family. When The Godfather came out,
Speaker 1: there was a big uproar from the Italian community and
Speaker 1: it's massive and it's done really you can if you
Speaker 1: see the offer on Paramount Plast, it's explored really well
Speaker 1: in there. And what the producer kept on saying was,
Speaker 1: this is not just a mafia film. It's a film
Speaker 1: about family. And that's one of the key components of
Speaker 1: The Godfather. It is about family, and I think Goodfellas
Speaker 1: has it in there as well, which makes it all
Speaker 1: the more powerful when they start turning on each other,
Speaker 1: these people, you know, you go back and watch it
Speaker 1: again and you see they're all friends and they're making
Speaker 1: each other laugh and they feel comfortable around each other.
Speaker 1: But just like that, they could turn on each other
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, because you know, Old Stacks
Speaker 1: doesn't you know, it goes to his girlfriend's house and
Speaker 1: doesn't get rid of the truck. He's you know, he's
Speaker 1: taken out and he's murdered. You know, you have these
Speaker 1: guys who have strung up on meat hooks, you know,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden because they're because Jimmy Conway has decided,
Speaker 1: you know, it's time to cut some tires.
Speaker 5: That was something that I was confused by was if
Speaker 5: these are people that you have loved, surely, even if
Speaker 5: you're going to kill them, you kill them in a
Speaker 5: way that's not crazy grotesque, absolutely nightmarish. Like I just go, like,
Speaker 5: come on, hanging them up on a meat hook? Like
Speaker 5: what about just a yeah, just a the way Tommy
Speaker 5: does a little bit of a gun to the back
Speaker 5: of the head so he doesn't see it coming. Then
Speaker 5: in a nice little casket. You don't have to Absolutely no,
Speaker 5: hanging them up on a meat hook. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean, there is there is a tradition that you
Speaker 1: in these films, and you know, I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: it's reflecting life or life reflecting up that you make
Speaker 1: a statement, but that's often when somebody has done something
Speaker 1: horribly wrong. The only thing I could think of a
Speaker 1: character who gets hang up in the meat hook is
Speaker 1: that he bought his wife a mink coat and they're
Speaker 1: told not to show off the money. You know, don't
Speaker 1: spend don't spend any money soon, you know, anytime soon.
Speaker 1: Just live quietly. And then somebody rocks up in a
Speaker 1: pink Cadillac, so he gets bumped. Yeah, and then Paul Murray,
Speaker 1: who the weik guy who it's his idea. He's personally
Speaker 1: brought this idea to the plan and he just wants
Speaker 1: his money as all he wants. He just wants to
Speaker 1: be paid and he gets bumped. Yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: a good point. I think. If you're going to kill
Speaker 1: your friends, to do it humanly. Yeah, that's your point.
Speaker 5: If I was going to kill any of my friends,
Speaker 5: I would I would do it humanly. And I do
Speaker 5: have to stop. I just got to start accepting the
Speaker 5: plot because I do really enjoy it. It is just
Speaker 5: I want to create a world where the mobsters do
Speaker 5: right by their families, which is if they did that
Speaker 5: right the whole thing. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 5: it would have happened. It seems like they probably would
Speaker 5: have had a downfall or something at some point.
Speaker 6: But Poorly, Poorly didn't. Pully did his time.
Speaker 5: Now he just has a beautiful family dinner and he's
Speaker 5: the only one alive at the end. Really, Oh well,
Speaker 5: I guess the others are alive, but he's the one
Speaker 5: who's living a life I guess seemingly worth living.
Speaker 6: A little bit.
Speaker 1: Yes, I could tell you a little true story fact
Speaker 1: about Pauli. When Henry Hill was in jail, him and
Speaker 1: Karen had an affair for Karen, good for Karen, good
Speaker 1: for Karen, good for Karen, just owning the situation. And
Speaker 1: you said you almost I mean to bring it up
Speaker 1: earlier when you said, Karen, he is in jail for
Speaker 1: four years, get on with living your life. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: well she got on with living your life a little bit.
Speaker 5: Why didn't Paulie put him up in a place where
Speaker 5: they didn't have all have to sleep in the same room.
Speaker 1: Paully liked the heart his wealth. He wasn't driving around
Speaker 1: in the pink Cadillac.
Speaker 6: That's true.
Speaker 5: I don't understand that it is a weird thing to
Speaker 5: show off. How long is a mink coat gonna last for?
Speaker 5: Like it's white, it doesn't seem it seems like two.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what state they're in. I
Speaker 5: just guess New York because that's just what I feel
Speaker 5: like you always see in the films. But I don't
Speaker 5: know if they're a New York or not. So I
Speaker 5: guess it's cold, but I don't know how thick of it.
Speaker 5: How many months of the year are you going to
Speaker 5: wear a seven thousand dollars jacket or however much it costs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're wearing it often in a city that
Speaker 1: in the season, you're wearing it where it snows.
Speaker 6: You know that's going to get wet. How long is
Speaker 6: that going to take to dry out?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Just come on, guys, think about it. Please, please.
Speaker 1: What do you think when Tommy got knocked off? Were
Speaker 1: you expecting that? Was that? It's done really well? He
Speaker 1: gets ushered in by two gents, one of them the
Speaker 1: small agent, is again the parent of Martin Scorsese Scorl Sacy.
Speaker 1: And what I love about the way it's done is
Speaker 1: you get this little Tommy realizes just when it's too late.
Speaker 1: You actually hear him say oh no, almost as the
Speaker 1: bullet goes through his head.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I didn't hear that bit.
Speaker 5: So it's cool to know that because I feel like
Speaker 5: I was happy that he got I didn't expect it
Speaker 5: because it sort of was like he's being a made
Speaker 5: man like that sort of just like came in that
Speaker 5: day in my mind, like I didn't know that that
Speaker 5: was going to happen, or when it was gonna happen,
Speaker 5: or what was going on with that? And Yeah, when
Speaker 5: he was going to do it, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 5: that's interesting that they would allow that, just because he
Speaker 5: seems like such a liability. I didn't even connect at
Speaker 5: the time that it was to do like it was
Speaker 5: because of the killing of the guy who called him
Speaker 5: a shoeshine. I just thought they were like, this dude's
Speaker 5: absolutely off the rails, nuts, so we can't allow him
Speaker 5: a seat at the table.
Speaker 6: Sort of.
Speaker 1: Well, I do one. I mean, it's certainly because of
Speaker 1: the killing of Billy Bats, but I do wonder, and
Speaker 1: we don't see the discussions that took place, because obviously
Speaker 1: that would have ruined the surprise. But I do wonder
Speaker 1: if it was not the killing of Billy Bats in isolation,
Speaker 1: it was this guy's been getting loose. We don't trust
Speaker 1: him anymore. I mean, he killed one of their own.
Speaker 1: He killed Yeah, he killed a you know what, maybe
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old kid. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I feel like that's a no note.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't get bumped off of that.
Speaker 1: But you know, this is what the code of honor
Speaker 1: comes in, and you know, we'll probably live by a
Speaker 1: different code of honor. I suspect Dannielle, but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: if Spider wasn't a made man, so I guess you know,
Speaker 1: it holds bigger weight, heavier weight when you kill a
Speaker 1: made man. But yeah, I agree that I think there
Speaker 1: was probably more to it than just Billy Bats, even
Speaker 1: that that was probably the thing the catalyst.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because I was not sure.
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, how did they know that he
Speaker 5: killed Billy Bass? And why is he called Billy Bass?
Speaker 5: Has he got a big mouth or something?
Speaker 1: I think it's Billy Bats.
Speaker 5: Oh, Okay, I thought, because Billy Bass is the name
Speaker 5: of the talking fish. I was confused if it was
Speaker 5: like a nickname for that.
Speaker 1: We waited for the bracket in the song.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was confused the whole time. Why his nickname
Speaker 5: was that Billy Bats? Okay, that makes far more sense
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 1: Now, were you happy when they got into a witness
Speaker 1: relocation that, Yeah, they made the call to testify. They
Speaker 1: meet with the US attorney actually played by the US
Speaker 1: attorney who actually spoke a guy called Edward McDonald. He
Speaker 1: actually plays himself that in that moment and reliving the
Speaker 1: conversations he had with the Hills. And I gotta say
Speaker 1: that in a nice little performance. But what do you
Speaker 1: think were you happy enough that they relocated?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was happy that they relocated. I didn't want
Speaker 5: DeNiro's character to get the win for deciding to kill
Speaker 5: off everybody, because it doesn't seem like that's how you
Speaker 5: run business. You can't just kill off everybody because who's
Speaker 5: ever gonna work with you ever? Again, you got to
Speaker 5: start from the ground up again if you ever want
Speaker 5: to do it, and then what you got to target
Speaker 5: on the back for the rest of your life for
Speaker 5: killing everybody, it's an insane move to do. Yeah, witness protection,
Speaker 5: you can't trust that man.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. It was an insane move by Jimmy
Speaker 1: like to think it could get away with that many kills.
Speaker 6: And nobody would trace it back to him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because with you, you know enough people to
Speaker 1: know that this the Thunsa heist took place was actually
Speaker 1: a real heist. I think they took six million. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't get back to him. It's actually it's actually
Speaker 1: a really good point that it's actually insanity that he
Speaker 1: thought he could get away of that.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because I mean, if you've got everybody who's working
Speaker 5: beneath you is probably also Italian. It seems like that
Speaker 5: that's the way it sort of works a bit or
Speaker 5: like part Italian. Then they're also going to be connected
Speaker 5: to the other families from the other mob groups, like
Speaker 5: there's going to be a cross mingling area with that stuff.
Speaker 5: How how did he think that that was a good idea?
Speaker 5: Was he going to go offshore? I don't understand. I
Speaker 5: genuinely don't understand how. Because this is a real story.
Speaker 5: Which is the thing that's confusing to me is if
Speaker 5: it was like in a film world where it was
Speaker 5: purely fake characters making these decisions, I would be like,
Speaker 5: this is terrible plotting this. People would think this through.
Speaker 5: This is not how it would work. But because it's
Speaker 5: a real story, like it's more real because people are
Speaker 5: insane and make horrible decisions all the times and things
Speaker 5: you go, nobody would do that because it's psycho and
Speaker 5: he's doing a psycho move. It makes no sense. I
Speaker 5: can't believe he's the one who seems like he's the
Speaker 5: ringleader of the three, and the fact that none of
Speaker 5: them questioned it because he's like sort of the cool one,
Speaker 5: almost like ralely Otto. It seems like he's like a
Speaker 5: bit of a fangirl of the mob mafia lifestyle. Tommy
Speaker 5: is this kind of duebo who is trying to prove
Speaker 5: himself constantly, and he's the only one who seems self assured.
Speaker 5: But he's absolutely a nightmare. You can't make that decision,
Speaker 5: that's psycho that that was a real decision that a
Speaker 5: real person made and thought, that's the reason apparently why
Speaker 5: in my mind, this is the reason why in two
Speaker 5: thousand they were like, we got to let some other
Speaker 5: non one hundred percent Italian people in because Robert DeNiro
Speaker 5: killed the rest.
Speaker 1: I think it's a very good point, Like I can
Speaker 1: imagine if like I mean, I've got no issues with
Speaker 1: the way it plays out as a movie. But you're
Speaker 1: right as like, did he have a plan to go
Speaker 1: to Tahiti or like the live on an island for
Speaker 1: the rest of his life, like an escape plan an
Speaker 1: exit strategy? Yeah? Or did he think he to kill
Speaker 1: four or five of the family and as an unmade man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and get away with it. It's it's crazy.
Speaker 5: And also why didn't he then just not kill them,
Speaker 5: take all the money and get on a plane and
Speaker 5: come to a Darwin and go into hiding. They never
Speaker 5: would have found him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a bloody good point, and scol says he
Speaker 1: may have missed something that he could have. But like
Speaker 1: I said, it's a true story, and I don't know
Speaker 1: the story well enough to know where there's been some
Speaker 1: departing of truth and some creative license taken. But it's fascinating.
Speaker 1: I've got some fun facts for you. Speaking of Robert
Speaker 1: de Niro, he insisted on them using real money because
Speaker 1: he didn't like the way the fake money felt in
Speaker 1: his hands. Obviously, Robert DeNiro takes he's acting very seriously, Danielle,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. Well, it's funny you say that because nobody
Speaker 1: was allowed to leave set until the money was returned
Speaker 1: and counted after each take, or at least after each
Speaker 1: scene was finished with.
Speaker 6: That is a nightmare.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've heard some stories about you on the
Speaker 1: set of Gold Diggers, Danny Elder. Is it true that
Speaker 1: you requested real gold?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, there was.
Speaker 5: There's some nuggets lying around my house now big time.
Speaker 1: The nero also called apparently Henry Hill like seven or
Speaker 1: eight times a day to ask questions like how you know,
Speaker 1: and even if he wasn't playing Henry Hill, but he
Speaker 1: was asking about you know, as supposed of being, you know,
Speaker 1: a part of the mafia or a gangster. How he
Speaker 1: would hold a cigarette, how he would smoke, how he
Speaker 1: would even like poor ketchup? Ketchup was one of his questions. Apparently,
Speaker 1: so takes his acting very seriously. Does missing DeNiro?
Speaker 5: Oh okay, that would have fed that Henry Hill guy's
Speaker 5: ego like nothing else.
Speaker 1: I know, Like you're right, like you think a lot
Speaker 1: of people will go oh eventually, oh bloody, how DENIERO
Speaker 1: is calling again. I'm not going to answer this one,
Speaker 1: but I get the impression of Henry Hill loved every
Speaker 1: second of that, and yeah, you're right, Fetti's ego.
Speaker 5: I've got to look up what the real Henry Hill
Speaker 5: looks like and what all these real people look like,
Speaker 5: because it does seem like, you know, they're very handsome,
Speaker 5: put together people in this film. But I'm getting like
Speaker 5: a Tommy Wiseou vibe from him, a little bit like
Speaker 5: that's sort of like, yes, I'm very famous, Like he'd
Speaker 5: put a billboard up of his own face whilst he
Speaker 5: was in witness protection or something just to keep the
Speaker 5: fame going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Tommy Wazoo. I like that comparison. Rayleiot his
Speaker 1: mum sadly died a cancer during the filming of good Fellers,
Speaker 1: and yeah, he apparently used that anger, particularly the pistol
Speaker 1: whip scene of the neighbor who. I don't know about you, Daniel,
Speaker 1: I kind of enjoyed because he was an asshole, that
Speaker 1: guy and set up very economically as being a bit
Speaker 1: of a jerk and be a bit of an asshole,
Speaker 1: and I kind of, I don't know, for some reason,
Speaker 1: I quite enjoyed that seemed very extremely violent, you know,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure how they as a stunt. I'm
Speaker 1: impressed with it as well, because you actually got to
Speaker 1: see the blood coming on his face.
Speaker 5: Stunt training you've done, Peter Hellier, but I've done about
Speaker 5: four hours of stunt training.
Speaker 1: Here we go and some insightful it's all.
Speaker 5: About camera angles and the way you hit using the
Speaker 5: camera angles. Well that's what we were taught when I
Speaker 5: was doing my four to six hours of stunt training.
Speaker 5: But now I do watch films and I can sort
Speaker 5: of like some Donet. I can't remember a movie what
Speaker 5: we watched recently, and I was just laughing at the
Speaker 5: stunt because it just seemed like so much like it's
Speaker 5: like a lot of like pushing and using the other
Speaker 5: person's weight on you. And now I find watching some
Speaker 5: stunts hard to watch because you can just see that
Speaker 5: at no point is anybody actually making real contact. They
Speaker 5: just sort of like pushing and pulling each other in
Speaker 5: weird ways. But that one, yeah, I was.
Speaker 6: I loved it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the small stunts always get meet. As we spoke
Speaker 1: about Chinatown with Limo recently, and there's a bit where
Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson gets his nose like nostril slit and blood
Speaker 1: splitts up, and it's just like, how did they do that?
Speaker 1: Like it's sometimes it's a tiny stunt as supposed to
Speaker 1: a big kind of dramatic car crash kind of stunts
Speaker 1: that I'm more impressed with the little stuff. Murray's Whig commercial,
Speaker 1: by the way, I love this story. It's my favorite
Speaker 1: story out of this movie. Martin Scorsese saw like a
Speaker 1: cheap kind of ad late night, was watching TV for
Speaker 1: a window replacement company, and he contacted the company and
Speaker 1: spoke to the guy who actually ran the company and
Speaker 1: was a spokesperson for his own company, a guy called
Speaker 1: Stephen R. Packer, and he got him to write, edit
Speaker 1: and shoot that ad. That we see within Goodfellows. So
Speaker 1: this guy who runs a window replacement has basically a
Speaker 1: little short film in the middle of Good.
Speaker 5: Fellows that's so great, that's that's real fun Like, he
Speaker 5: thought that his ads were so funny and silly, so
Speaker 5: he made him do one I love that It's.
Speaker 1: So good, and another quick one Mike Blue Heaven was
Speaker 1: also Nora Efron wrote a movie called My Blue Heaven,
Speaker 1: a comedy about a guy who goes into witness relocation,
Speaker 1: sawing Steve Martin. Nora Efron, married to Nicholas Peleggi, often
Speaker 1: would overhear conversations and sometimes answer the phone when Henry
Speaker 1: Hill would call, have these conversations with him, so she
Speaker 1: starts writing My Blue Heaven, you know, based on some
Speaker 1: of his stories. So My Blue Heaven weirdly is a
Speaker 1: kind of sequel to Good.
Speaker 6: Fellows, if you definitely want to watch that.
Speaker 1: And Joe Pesky won the Oscar the sixth shortest Oscar
Speaker 1: acceptance speech. He said, it's my privilege, thank you. That
Speaker 1: was his speech in total, the sixth shortest Oscar speech.
Speaker 1: And there we go, and we do have to go
Speaker 1: wrap up, but I just want to also point out
Speaker 1: you may not have got it, but when the door
Speaker 1: slams at the end, which only got kind of recently,
Speaker 1: it's a sound of a jail door, you know. When
Speaker 1: we see him in the Witness Rey location living in
Speaker 1: almost the Truman Show kind of world, he shuts his
Speaker 1: door and it is it's a sound of a jail
Speaker 1: door kind of slamming. That's cool, Yeah, very cool, Danny
Speaker 1: hal Walker, this podcast comes with homework. You have absolutely excelled.
Speaker 1: I do appreciate it. You are so busy at the moment.
Speaker 1: We look forward to more things from you and no
Speaker 1: doubt and you stand up tour in two thousand and
Speaker 1: twenty three. He's a twenty three this year or twenty
Speaker 1: four whatever next year is.
Speaker 6: Next year twenty four, I think twenty four.
Speaker 1: Forgot a year it was. And congratulations on gold Diggers,
Speaker 1: congratulations on winning Task Mats Australia in one and thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us on you ain't.
Speaker 6: Say nothing yet, No worry SANX for having me.
Speaker 1: That was Danielle Walker and good fellas love that give
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