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Speaker 1: he said the vehicle was later used in an unlawful

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Speaker 1: line from Catherine is the local member Joe Hersey. Good

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Speaker 1: morning to you, Joe.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Katie, and good morning listeners.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like there's been a number of concerning incidents.

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Speaker 3: I just thought, it's terrible.

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Speaker 2: Someone who's lived here for thirty four years. I just

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Speaker 1: It is a terrible situation when you know when this

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Speaker 1: And there was an incident involving a new teacher to town.

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Speaker 3: Can you tell me what happened?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was absolutely shocking. I received an email from

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Speaker 2: And he is so traumatized Katie. He doesn't even want

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Speaker 2: You know, it's absolutely horrendous that. Again, we need teachers

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Speaker 2: Only that, Katie, Well, he was talking to the police.

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Speaker 1: I know that palis have now been diverted from Alice

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Speaker 2: So they have arrived, and I did notice that yesterday.

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Speaker 1: So, Joe, has it made a difference since o'verived? Has

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Speaker 2: Well, not only has there been the palies on the

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Speaker 1: And you know, standing up inside Parliament, unless you're there,

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Speaker 2: So, first of all, I think the teachers and the

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Speaker 2: But I've actually had a couple of emails myself lately,

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Speaker 2: So we have spoken about school based constables being back

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Speaker 2: the phone, not that there was mobiles then, but I

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Speaker 2: But if I could have walked into someone's office.

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Speaker 3: I agree I would have done that. Yeah, I totally agree.

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Speaker 2: Very important in the school environment.

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Speaker 1: And look, that is something that has been raised with

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Speaker 1: I think it is something that you know that we

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Speaker 1: before I let you go this morning, we have also

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Speaker 1: you would say, because it's still sort of four years

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Speaker 1: the community of Catherine at this point. We understand those

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Speaker 2: So Katie. Last year in February, there was a media

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Speaker 2: I know, Venture Housing built eight and Government Housing have

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Speaker 2: built I think another eight, so yeah, we are well

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Speaker 2: are for sale. So I'm pretty sure you would talk

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Speaker 2: building this development in Rundle Street. That is a private

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Speaker 2: of adding to the housing, you know, for more people

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Speaker 2: private business absolutely comes in. And Sislers have had just

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Speaker 3: Now, Joe, before I let you go, Yeah, sorry, you

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Speaker 3: keep going.

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Speaker 2: No, no go on.

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Speaker 3: I was going to say, before I let.

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Speaker 1: You go, somebody's just speed in contact with me and said, Cuddy,

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Speaker 1: if it's the service stations that are being targeted, why

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Speaker 1: Catherine are very much being targeted right now.

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Speaker 2: So a couple of weeks ago add on the Run,

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Speaker 2: when those youths were there and just you know, allegedly

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Speaker 2: same violence offense and you know, ruin other people's businesses

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Speaker 2: I spoke to the business that United. You didn't seem

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Speaker 2: to think it made too much difference. But each one

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Speaker 2: of these service stations, Katie, in the evening on the Run,

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Speaker 2: when they had their disturbance, there was a security guard

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Speaker 2: They got their own security in or on those places.

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Speaker 2: Seem to manage to these people. No, the guy from

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Speaker 2: this is a good idea. I'll see that at BP.

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Speaker 2: So these people are putting things in place to help

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Speaker 3: And it's still happening there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. No, there is no consequence. Yes, get back to

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Speaker 2: there are no consequences for anything. And they are just

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Speaker 2: and Joe.

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Speaker 1: People have had a gutful of it. I think there's

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Speaker 1: no other way to put it. People have had a gutful.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to leave it there. I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time this morning. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for having a chat with me and making us aware

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Speaker 1: of what's going on in Catherine.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, Thank you talking so Thanks Joe,