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Speaker 1: Upright.

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Speaker 2: Season two premiere is eight thirty to night on Foxtel.

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Speaker 2: All episodes will be available to watch on demand on

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Speaker 2: Foxtel and joining Us Now the star the creator Tim Minchin.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, Tim, How you're doing all right?

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Speaker 3: How are you traveling?

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Speaker 2: The first season was so good. Season two seas Lucky

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Speaker 2: and Meg team up again. Can you tell us why?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I suppose I can, because it all happens in

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Speaker 4: the first episode. I mean we cut forward, we jumped

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Speaker 4: forward four years. So when we left Lucky and Meg

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Speaker 4: at the end of season and one, she's I don't

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Speaker 4: want to spoil season one because people should go back

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Speaker 4: and watch that if they haven't, but she's a young

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Speaker 4: girl and Lucky's kind of in this slightly hapless situation.

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Speaker 4: And we jump forward four years and Meg's kind of

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Speaker 4: a young adult now, and Lucky's surprisingly doing better than

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Speaker 4: we might expect a character like him to do. He

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Speaker 4: sort of has a bit of a career and a

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Speaker 4: music career, and he's got a celebrity girlfriend and there

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Speaker 4: lives in a.

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Speaker 5: Quite posh house. But we very quickly realize.

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Speaker 4: He's not particularly coping very well. And into that, Meg

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Speaker 4: crashes with a favor to ask him, and we realize

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Speaker 4: they haven't seen each other for years, but she needs

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Speaker 4: his help to try and go on this big what

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Speaker 4: turns out to be another big, ridiculous adventure.

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Speaker 3: We find out more about Lucky's past as well, which

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Speaker 3: wasn't always above board in every facet of his life.

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Speaker 5: No Luck, he's Lucky's Yes.

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Speaker 4: I suddenly realized after season one, as I was sitting

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Speaker 4: around with my fellow writers wondering what season two is

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Speaker 4: going to be about, I went, oh, We've got this

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Speaker 4: eight year period between when Lucky was sort of left

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Speaker 4: Perth after he had done that terrible thing he did

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Speaker 4: to his family, and then came and then the events

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Speaker 4: of season one where he comes back to Perth. There's

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Speaker 4: an eight year gap there where we know he wasn't

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Speaker 4: very well in the brain. And suddenly I went, oh, god,

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Speaker 4: he could have done anything. And so in season two

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Speaker 4: we learned.

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Speaker 5: That he kind of did do anything and everything.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't seen season one, nothing's going to get

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Speaker 2: you in. Like he left Perth after that terrible thing

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Speaker 2: he did to his family.

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Speaker 5: That's right. Yeah, Well that is a bit of a reveal,

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Speaker 5: but it is.

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Speaker 4: It is a funny thing bringing out season two on

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Speaker 4: a show like this, because it's not an episodic comedy

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Speaker 4: in that if you watch bits of it, it will

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Speaker 4: make no sense whatsoever. And although I have come across

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Speaker 4: a couple of journals who watched season two without watching

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Speaker 4: season one, and we're perfectly happy, it is really like

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Speaker 4: more like a movie and its sequel in terms of

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Speaker 4: the storyline. So so if you've just got into it,

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Speaker 4: or you've just got into Milli Alcop my co star

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Speaker 4: because she's the star of House of the Dragon, House

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Speaker 4: of the Bloody Dragons, now then go back to season one.

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Speaker 1: That's all happens since the first time, right, you must

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Speaker 1: feel proud.

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Speaker 5: I'm furious, little little you know her I taught her everything.

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Speaker 5: She changed him.

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Speaker 4: She changed, well, she's she's changed because you have to,

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Speaker 4: and she's grown up. She's got a huge amount of attention.

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Speaker 4: She's changed, and that she's an even better actress. She

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Speaker 4: is a really talented cat. And I guess she's changed

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Speaker 4: in that when I worked with her earlier this year

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Speaker 4: in a flooded Queensland during COVID, you know, during that period,

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Speaker 4: Millie had come back from spending a year filming Dragons

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Speaker 4: at twenty million bucks an episode, and came back and

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Speaker 4: me for twelve weeks. She had changed only in that

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Speaker 4: she was really knackered. But watching her work is testament

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Speaker 4: to her incredible resilience. It's a huge job for her.

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Speaker 4: Season two, it's much more Megs story driving it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of new faces this season. I

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Speaker 4: Of them, Hailey macalenle Okay, the better of the sisters.

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Speaker 4: They are both the Macalinis, are both Perthies, as you know,

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Speaker 4: and they are both incredible. In fact, they're writing a

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Speaker 5: I make sure you go see that next time.

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Speaker 4: But our supporting cast is bonkers. Who we managed to get,

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Speaker 4: like you know, Travis Cotton and Anita Hag and just

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Speaker 4: big Australian tell you names that you're recognized, who just

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Speaker 1: Me but you have Mehurst.

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Speaker 5: I buried the lead there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's in one episode, but she's incredible.

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Speaker 5: Such a squirrel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, A lot of people have been playing a lot

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Speaker 3: of people have been talking about your your appearance, of

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Speaker 3: about how fame has you know, affects so many people,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, you said, affirmation is like chocolate just should

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Speaker 3: really just have a square at a time and then

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Speaker 3: back at any stage after that it was all put together.

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Speaker 5: The Australian Story. Yeah, I did, Actually I did, because.

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Speaker 4: I I do watch a couple like I don't read everything,

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Speaker 4: YouTube comments, but I do think Australian Story have is

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Speaker 4: such an institution and they do such a good job.

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Speaker 4: But also because my dear friends contributed to it, and

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Speaker 4: my sister and Sarah was in it, and I wanted

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Speaker 4: they were really beautifully. I thought it was a really

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Speaker 4: shave my beard off for this new role. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: I just I do. I am a bit uxorious.

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Speaker 4: I am a bit fond of my wife and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it all started here, of course, in Perth.

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Speaker 2: It's a great show, Australian story. I think it's one

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Speaker 2: was really interested to see in that story was your

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Speaker 2: experience with making this animated film which you spent five years,

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Speaker 2: fifty million dollars, and then at no cause of your own,

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Speaker 1: It was cast, it was everything.

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Speaker 2: It was called Alaricans, and maybe eventually something well, you know,

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Speaker 2: we will see it. But how do you deal with

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Speaker 4: Well, I think, I mean, we should know this by now,

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Speaker 4: how to me, that's the goal and that's how just

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Speaker 4: But the lesson is you shouldn't trust the machine. You

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Speaker 4: it is a business, and it made business sense for

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Speaker 4: and people like me who think it's about art need

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Speaker 4: to either learn that it's about business or go work

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, still doesn't stop it from being statium. Everyone's battles

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Speaker 1: I was devastated. I can't imagine what it was like

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Speaker 5: That's terrible.

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Speaker 4: So many things have gone right for Melish me to

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Speaker 3: What do you think about the idea of making a

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Speaker 4: Well, I really, I mean, I don't know if you

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Speaker 4: the kind of personalities that's so funny. But I think

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Speaker 4: I hope I can make a film there one day,

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Speaker 5: The world, and absolutely right.

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Speaker 4: When I get off the plane in Perth is such

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Speaker 3: remember seeing that, the beautiful shots of Perth in that one.

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Speaker 4: in Upright one, a lot of Calgouli and quite and

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd love to ask.

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Speaker 2: You a question that we've been talking about this week

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Speaker 2: because it's it was brought about by Flying High. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Flying Hydract. David Zuka saying Hollywood is killing comedy because

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Speaker 2: they're too eager to please the nine percent of people

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Speaker 2: it will swing back.

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Speaker 1: Do you see that? What are your thoughts on him saying.

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Speaker 4: That, Yeah, I think it's bigger than Hollywood. I think yes, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that's experience fantastically, fantastically good intent, which is to not

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Speaker 4: to make sure that those of us who.

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Speaker 4: P word, understand that stuff that might be funny to

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Speaker 4: irony requires that your audience understands the basis of your comedy.

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Speaker 4: content and intent. Right, and just because now everyone can

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Speaker 4: and I think we're starting to understand that now. To

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Speaker 4: make You must be able to make jokes where a

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Speaker 4: lot of people understand the intention, but if you don't

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Speaker 4: understand the intention, they might sound horribly offensive. And I

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Speaker 4: think we, whilst looking after minority groups and stuff, we

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Speaker 4: need to understand that that is the cost of doing business,

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Speaker 4: is that sometimes people will be upset. Sometimes you want

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Speaker 4: or sometimes they'll be accidentally upset. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 4: you're a terrible person and deserve to be shamed, and

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Speaker 4: all that stuff exactly.

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Speaker 3: Living will given everyone the right to have this say

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Speaker 3: straight after and the comment the comments in everything back

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Speaker 3: and forward and black and white. Now, so it is.

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Speaker 3: It is a strange world in which lived tim.

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Speaker 4: Well and much and it's impossible to have that conversation

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Speaker 4: without acknowledging that the algorithms through which we speak prioritize

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Speaker 4: lot of people who don't care aren't heard, so we

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Speaker 5: So we over that too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've spoken for about twelve to thirteen minutes. We

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Speaker 3: can think they do twelve or thirteen hours with you.

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Speaker 5: Like a Kink song.

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Speaker 3: Yet, Ray David's going on to finish. We'll play all

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Speaker 3: the day, all of the night next to it.

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Speaker 5: You really got me watch upright, your idiots?

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Speaker 3: That's the truth.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well it starts tonight eight thirty. Season two. Watch

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Speaker 1: season one first. I would totally recommend.

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Speaker 5: All the apps are up.

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Speaker 1: All the apps are up. Tim, It's lovely to talk

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Can't wait to see why you've shaved off the beard

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Speaker 2: and dyed the hair black.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, pirate so weird.

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Speaker 5: I'm having a bit of a crisis. I'm having a

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Speaker 5: bit of a crisis about it.

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Speaker 4: But you know, if I want to be an actor,

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Speaker 4: I've got to be able to shave all.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're tentling Robert Smith from The Cure with the mustache.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, somewhere between Freddy and Robert, that's right. Thanks Tim,

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Speaker 4: good to talk to you's to love guys,