1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: We know that Lee Point the housing project, well, it 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: is off the table again. It has been announced that 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: it is going to be halted until March thirty one 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: next year. So, according to a statement by the DHA, 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: it said, the DJ has made the decision to voluntarily 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: stop stop work on cultural issues around the project. DJ 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: has made the decision to voluntarily stop that work at 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: Lee Point until March thirty one, twenty twenty four. The 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: statement continues by saying, we'll be using this time to 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: work with relevant government agencies and respond to the application 11 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: regarding Aboriginal cultural heritage at the site. Now, joining me 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: on the line to talk more about the situation, Laroche 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: Nation Chair Jerome Cabillo, Good morning to you, Jerome. 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: How are you yeah, really good, Thank you so much 16 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: for your time this morning. Now, Jerome, what were the 17 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: cultural concerns at Lee Point, Yeah. 18 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: The concerns were that there were there hasn't been enough 19 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: opportunity to engage with the relevant Larochier family groups and 20 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: what have emerged for us was there there are a 21 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: few actual individuals from the Larakia family groups that have 22 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: the really important cultural authority in stories of their sites. 23 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: There where it's been identified, there's a really important songline 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: and a few cultural sacred sites that they felt it 25 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: was really important to protect and that there wasn't they 26 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: weren't given adequate opportunity to become assaulted. So in the nation, 27 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: the organization that represents the judicial owners of the Larachie 28 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: people in the Darm region, we felt it was absolutely 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: imperative in our role that we had to back our 30 00:01:56,000 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 2: elders and our leaders with really important cultural knowledge. 31 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: Jerime, I know that there's people this morning who are 32 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: going to be saying, well, this project was approved back 33 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: in two thousand and fifteen, so why did we get 34 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: to the point where there was literally excavators on the 35 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: site before, you know, before I guess those people did 36 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: stand up and speak out. 37 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's you know, that is a fair point. 38 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: And what we're saying was, well, the role that DH 39 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 2: and Upper Nita who was actually ensure there had been 40 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 2: plenty and adequate enough opportunities for those consultations and reaching 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 2: out through the relevant and write mechanisms to ensure that 42 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: everyone had an opportunity to participate. And what we've sort 43 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: of had been sort of had found out Unfortunately later 44 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: in the piece was that wasn't thorough enough, and so 45 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: we're now trying to work with the with the the Larakia, 46 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 2: with the defense houses. I just got back from Canada 47 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: this week where I was able to meet with assistant Minesots, 48 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: Defense matthis away and the Environment Minister pleather set help 49 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: to keep them updated on how things have progressed and 50 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 2: and trying to appliant new solutions to ensure that we 51 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 2: don't see another lead point because we are anti development 52 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: at Larichi Nation and we understand, you know, the importance 53 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 2: of developing our beautiful home here and go on a 54 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: lark country. But we're just asking, you know, if we 55 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: can ensure that the right Larakia elders and cultural authority 56 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 2: can be involved early. And I've even met with the 57 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: Chief to say, Chief, you know, I want to provide 58 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: business surname. We've got a few solutions and how we 59 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 2: can do that moving forward and work. 60 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's going to be the really hard 61 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: point is that a lot of people, you know, are 62 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: going to be thinking to themselves this week. The Northern 63 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: Territory's Chief Minister is there in Canberra saying the Northern 64 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: Territory is open for business, and you know, we want 65 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: to make sure that we're diversifying our economy. But then 66 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: on the other hand, you know that same week we've 67 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: then got a project like this being halted. So some 68 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: people will be questioning, how can we kind of move 69 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: forward in the Northern Territory and make sure that different 70 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: things can get underway if there is always that risk 71 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: of pulling up short and things getting stopped. 72 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And so we participated in heading down 73 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: with a delegation sort of facing North Laikie CEO Michael Rotima, 74 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: and I would my other hat on as a seer 75 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: of Northern Territory Indigenous Business Network because you know, we 76 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: understand the absolutely importance of the growth of the territory 77 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: great and real act and development unity opportunities for Territori 78 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: and for the If we do for original people to 79 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: create more businesses that are going to create real jobs 80 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: on country, they're going to see more of our unemployed 81 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,119 Speaker 2: countrymen and women working on country in real meaningful jobs 82 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: and not working with all jobs, and that sort of 83 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: can be a little bit disapparent. So we're trying to 84 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: play our role to uplift so we can reach that body. 85 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: Durion dollar economy like twenty thirty and play a really 86 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: active role in the economy. What we've said to the 87 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: chief is we'd love to be able to sit down 88 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 2: with you look at all the forward plans, projection for 89 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: projects and development. Just there's light people around the table 90 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 2: early and saying well, here's with some actual identified site 91 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: and let's work early for example, you know, on middle 92 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 2: Arm and saying how do we make sure this big 93 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 2: opportunity can benefit everyone? 94 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is I think that's a really good idea 95 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: and really imperative because like you said, you know, it's opportunity, Like, 96 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: it's opportunities for absolutely everyone, Indigenous, non indigenous, you know, 97 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: no matter where you're from an Icepoy. That's a beautiful 98 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: thing about the Northern Territory, isn't it? Is It where 99 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: a very mixed bunch. You know, people from everywhere live here. 100 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: And it's beautiful and that's why our home is so unique. 101 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: He Jerome. Is the development at lee point now from 102 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Larikian Nations perspective? Is it now off the table or 103 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: could there be some changes to enable it to still happen. 104 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 2: We've also kind of exploring an opportunity to see if 105 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: we can work with the FANTAUS in Australia and we 106 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: were really fortunate to meet with their CEO and chairpist 107 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: and whilst in camera and to show you know, we're 108 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 2: trying to work with them to say, well, could we 109 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 2: consider providing certainty for people who've purchase sides? Yeah, currently 110 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: to be able to see that through, but consider where 111 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 2: we might be able to sit down with the relevant 112 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: party and the identify another area where the rest of 113 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: the development could take place that ensures all parties sort 114 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: of find that that the solution that they're looking for. 115 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 2: So we were even talking with with our relevant territory ministers, 116 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: so Luke Osborne and Manella and McCarthy and then we 117 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: hear some ideas and solutions, we would really seek your supporting, 118 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: guidance and leadership to help us maybe achieve be that 119 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: alternative goal. 120 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: And so Jeryian, would that still be sort of in 121 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,559 Speaker 1: that same area in the northern suburbs around their nearly point, 122 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: but somewhere a little bit different or what are you 123 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: guys thinking? 124 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're thinking it might sort of and again 125 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 2: making sure we get the right cultural authority disiplants there 126 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: on the table with us alongside DHA to look at 127 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:52,239 Speaker 2: other sites, you know, either relatively close by or looking 128 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: at We've got you know, the beautiful North Press. We've 129 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: got some really great land coming online that holds that 130 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: are also kind of close to the Barrett. So we 131 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: we want to sort of see what other options we 132 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: can put on the table that can I guess help 133 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: achieve all parties will issue. 134 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know that's the other part of it, 135 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: isn't it that we've got a real housing crisis in 136 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: the Northern Territory at the moment as well when it 137 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: comes to you know, to people meeting homes, but also 138 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: when it comes to first own buyers, everybody trying to 139 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: enter the housing market and making sure there is that 140 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: purity I suppose is part of the juggle. 141 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a massive part of the juggle because we're 142 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: seeing a lot of the issues of people wanting to 143 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: move to town and out of community and you know, 144 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: there's a seven year wait on public housing for example, 145 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: and the short term accommodations are absolutely took the block 146 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 2: as it is, and you know, to be short termed 147 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: options for people have been living in there for a 148 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: few years. So we definitely are trying to play our 149 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: old too. You know, we need more housing and we 150 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 2: need more audible housing. What a really young emerging adversion 151 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: population demographic in the charity to whatever it. Ja's twenty 152 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: five and they got fifty teen in the school based population. 153 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 2: So it's absolutely absolutely an issue that we all need 154 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: to address. But we're seeing we've got some other really 155 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: dutiful land around Darwin in an Alarice country that is 156 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: definitely time for housing development. 157 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 1: Well, Jerome Cabillo, the Alaroche Nation Chair, we really appreciate 158 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: your time this morning. Thank you very much for coming 159 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: on the show with me and having a chat about 160 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: this development and where we might be sort of moving 161 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: I suppose in moving forwards. 162 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 163 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: Katie, thank you. Good to catch up with you.