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<v Speaker 1>Lifeln Cut acknowledges the traditional custodians of country whose lands

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<v Speaker 1>were never seated. We pay our respects to their elders

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<v Speaker 1>past and present.

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<v Speaker 2>Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land. This episode was

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<v Speaker 2>recorded on de rug wallamut Land.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi guys, and welcome back to another episode of Life

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<v Speaker 3>un Cut. I'm Laura, I'm Brittany, and I am on

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest come down.

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<v Speaker 1>People calling it PTSD post Taylor Swift Down, which I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think you can.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I don't know if you can. I think

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<v Speaker 3>we'll get canceled for that. I went to Taylor Swift

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<v Speaker 3>last night.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>No, Laura, you went Friday night. It was come down

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<v Speaker 3>the best night of my plumbdown.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Okay, there's two types of people in the

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<v Speaker 2>world right now, Brittany and Laura.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's people who have been to Taylor Swift so

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<v Speaker 2>they understand this, and then there's people who haven't and

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<v Speaker 2>they're sick of hearing about it, And they're the only

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<v Speaker 2>two types of people that exist at the moment. People

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<v Speaker 2>who were totally over it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, sorry for the next thirty seconds, you guys gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hear me say it was the best night of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>People who will never ever fingering something? Why who talks

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<v Speaker 3>like this? I was giving you the one and the two?

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't you like that? You were literally looking at me.

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<v Speaker 3>She's looking at me like she's got two fingers, like

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<v Speaker 3>she's figuring something. She's like, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So for context, brute went last night and so she's

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<v Speaker 2>rolled in today still with the sequence and shit in

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<v Speaker 2>her hair.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got the bean to my hair steal because I

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<v Speaker 1>was really feeling like I didn't want to let it

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<v Speaker 1>go yet this era of my life?

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<v Speaker 3>What is the era? The Brittany Taylor Swift era?

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<v Speaker 2>But I went on Friday night and now it's Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm over the hump. I'm over the hump of the high.

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<v Speaker 2>It was incredible. It was amazing. It was everything that

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<v Speaker 2>I expected it to be from everybody else's hype that

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<v Speaker 2>I had kind of you know, seen, witnessed and experienced.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 1>It was better than I expected, I can say. So

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Taylor Swift I think twenty eighteen when

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<v Speaker 1>she was here for reputation tour, so I had seen

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<v Speaker 1>her before. I know she's amazing, and I knew this

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<v Speaker 1>show was going to be incredible, but it exceeded expectations.

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<v Speaker 1>It was ten times bigger and better than her reputation tour.

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<v Speaker 1>Like her Reputation tour was amazing, but this was just

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know of another artist in the world

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<v Speaker 1>that would put on a show for four hours, non stop,

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<v Speaker 1>with the effects that she has, the screens, the choreography,

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<v Speaker 1>the dance. She did not stop singing. She was never paffed,

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<v Speaker 1>like everything was incredible. I just I cannot fault it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was paffed and I was literally just standing on

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<v Speaker 2>the same water brag.

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<v Speaker 3>When I left, I had flats on.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm exhausted, my back hurts, my feet hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was like, imagine Taylor doing that for

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<v Speaker 1>three years, you know, four hours a night, four nights

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<v Speaker 1>in a row. Then she travels and she does it

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<v Speaker 1>again for three years. And I was just from jumping.

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<v Speaker 1>My arms are sore, like I've done a workout from

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<v Speaker 1>this pumping. I fist pumped for three hours, and this.

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<v Speaker 3>Morning I was like, why am I triceps? Social?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is apparently why she runs on a treadmill

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<v Speaker 2>for two hours and sings the time like for her cardio.

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<v Speaker 3>I think She's just incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very well oiled machine in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>concert and Britain and I were just comparing notes as well,

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<v Speaker 2>because obviously went to separate ones. If you went to

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<v Speaker 2>the concert, you guys are going to know the moment

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about. But Britt was like, there was this

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<v Speaker 2>one moment where she was sitting on her piano and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was screaming, and I was like, yeah, she did

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing at the concert that I went to,

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like, even.

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<v Speaker 3>Though everyone screams the whole time anyway, no.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's this I mean, there was this really like amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>profound moment which was sitting at the moss covered piano

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<v Speaker 2>and everyone was absolutely losing it for an extended period

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<v Speaker 2>of time and She's basking in that moment of screaming,

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<v Speaker 2>And to me, I would think, well, the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I was most impressed by was how well oiled the

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<v Speaker 2>machine was. Like every single thing she did on stage,

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<v Speaker 2>she knew she was going to do that thing on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's absolutely it's scripted, it's ready to go,

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<v Speaker 2>and she can roll it out for the next night

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<v Speaker 2>and get the same type of response, which is incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I just feel like I need to have a

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<v Speaker 1>sit down with Taylor. I'm on the fence with Travis

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<v Speaker 1>Kelcey was really pro Travis Kelcey, Like, I was like, okay, great,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got this new, different kind of love that you've

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<v Speaker 1>never experienced. You're not hiding anything now.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't like the guy? What did he do? He

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<v Speaker 3>gave you the ick? Yeah, because you know what he did?

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<v Speaker 3>What a dickhead?

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<v Speaker 1>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>You've got Taylor Swift, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Most beautiful, young, intelligent, rich, amazing, humble girlfriend, and you

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<v Speaker 1>published he flew out of allegedly he allegedly flew out

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<v Speaker 1>of Australia yesterday. He flew in for like one show whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>flew back straight away and straight away he's been photographed

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<v Speaker 1>gone straight to a strip club surrounded by women, like

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<v Speaker 1>photos have gone everywhere in the last twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it a strip club or just at a club?

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<v Speaker 2>I think said strip club? I know, I think you're

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<v Speaker 2>conflating two articles. You didn't hear the stories here first,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think we're gonna get ourselves in trouble. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sure he just went to a nightclub and he

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<v Speaker 2>was photographed with women. And then there was another article

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<v Speaker 2>saying that Taylor Swift has bannedhim from strip clubs.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that two yes, a Whidy band song from

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<v Speaker 3>strip clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>I just stopped believing the shit that you read, Brett.

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<v Speaker 3>But for a second, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Allowed to talk about Taylor's lif life, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>think I want her to be in loved so bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But a week ago, I was like, they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get married, and now I'm like, I think he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be too bad for her reputation and her image,

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<v Speaker 1>which she looks after so well, and I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be detrimental to that. So I reckon she's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna Oh my god, imagine the album I know and.

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<v Speaker 3>They break up. I'm ready for it. Oh my good god,

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<v Speaker 3>all this, all the fun that was not in Megan Stop,

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<v Speaker 3>Megan stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing I do want to say before we

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<v Speaker 2>round out the Tailor Swift commentary, because I know, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, so many of you are sick of it.

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<v Speaker 2>What I thought was very very cool and something that

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<v Speaker 2>I have not seen at any other concert. We all

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<v Speaker 2>know how sick I was with Blink one eighty two.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing I thought was so cool about this is

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<v Speaker 2>that not only does Taylor Swift have the nostalgia piece

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<v Speaker 2>because she's been around now for so long making music,

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<v Speaker 2>But she also is relating to such a young audience.

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<v Speaker 2>So there were so many moms there with their teenage

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<v Speaker 2>or little tween daughters. Like there was one mum sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in front of us. She had her seven year old,

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<v Speaker 2>her ten year old and her twelve year old with her,

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<v Speaker 2>and the four of them were there together and all

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<v Speaker 2>of them were Swifties, and that I think and the mom, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>totally because the mom was like just a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>older than me and she had these tween kids and

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<v Speaker 2>so all of them loved it. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that's what's so cool about it, is that she's created

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<v Speaker 2>music that's transcended to separate generations.

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<v Speaker 1>She doesn't have a demographic. She does not have a demographic.

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<v Speaker 1>Her demographic is literally everyone, men, women, kids, adult grandparents.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also how the way in which she's made

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<v Speaker 2>things that are technically uncool cool. And I say this

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<v Speaker 2>by it so one of the things that was quite

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<v Speaker 2>awesome about the concert, Right, you go to like a

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<v Speaker 2>Beyonce concert, or you go to Pink or you go

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<v Speaker 2>to literally any other very successful female pop star. Often

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the show, a lot of the performance

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<v Speaker 2>will be based around what's sexy, right, Like you'll have

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<v Speaker 2>dances on stage, very scantily clad, shaking their asses. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why twerking became like a whole thing. And then

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<v Speaker 2>here at this Taylor Swift concert that's commanded ninety five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand people in a room or eighty one thousand, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>the number was in Sydney, You've got all these dances

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<v Speaker 2>on stage doing ballroom dancing like they were dressed in

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<v Speaker 2>full ballroom doing this like beautiful waltz. It's just the

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<v Speaker 2>contrast between what you would expect a modern pop star

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<v Speaker 2>to be and the way in which she presented on stage.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's this like things that are deemed as kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like uncool or cool again, And I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>the inclusivity of it that makes it like something that's

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<v Speaker 2>quite remarkable. She has made uncool cool uncle cool and

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<v Speaker 2>be cringe, lean into the glitter, be like a big

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<v Speaker 2>loser with your friends and that's cool again. The friendship bracelets,

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<v Speaker 2>Like since when is it cool for people to like

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<v Speaker 2>make their little Bengals and then go and swap them with.

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<v Speaker 3>People, but everyone did it. Yeah. I had one.

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<v Speaker 1>Of our lifers actually give me a bracelet they made

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<v Speaker 1>for me that said I found my penguin and it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Really it's really really cute. So I had like hundreds

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<v Speaker 3>of bracelets on my arm.

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<v Speaker 2>I made one and then I wore it and gave

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<v Speaker 2>it to my daughter and it says britty titty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Laura goes major bracelet. Didn't give it to me.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole idea is you give your friends your bracelet.

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<v Speaker 2>I made a britty titty bracelet, and then Marley saw

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<v Speaker 2>it and she really wanted it, and so now she's

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<v Speaker 2>wearing pretty titty.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I was like swapping bracelets with people in the audience,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, you can't have that one because

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<v Speaker 1>it was like my family penguin from a lifeile. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I think I broke the friendship rules

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<v Speaker 1>with the bracelets, but I didn't let anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Take even that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's leaning into female friendships. It's leaning into

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<v Speaker 2>prioritizing the things that we often deprioritize, like going out,

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<v Speaker 2>having a girl's night, spending time with your closest friends,

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<v Speaker 2>and having something that is very I mean, on one hand,

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<v Speaker 2>very cool, but on another hand, very very deeply dorky

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<v Speaker 2>to lean into.

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking to Produce a Keisha about this, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's so interesting because there are so many dads and

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<v Speaker 1>men at Taylor Swift because they're either fans themselves or

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<v Speaker 1>they're there with their daughters, their children. They're like, they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go bond, Let's go family bond. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same thing that we saw at the Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>Like there are so many dads and men now that

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<v Speaker 1>are bonding with their daughters or females in their life

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<v Speaker 1>that couldn't have given two hoots about the Super Bowl

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<v Speaker 1>and the football, you know, six months ago, and now

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<v Speaker 1>they're so involved. Like the viewership of American football and

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl and the amount of money that Taylor Swift

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<v Speaker 1>has brought in single handedly to that industry is insane.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're seeing this unity and this bonding in both

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<v Speaker 1>aspects and it's so beautiful to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But on the flip side of that, all the

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<v Speaker 2>staunch football is being angry about the fact that it's

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<v Speaker 2>changed at football. But also I do wonder what the

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<v Speaker 2>impact will be if they break up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be disaster, It'll be a disaster. Yeah, and he'll

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<v Speaker 1>become the most hated man in a.

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<v Speaker 3>Miser That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he realizes what will happen to him

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<v Speaker 2>if they go through a breakup.

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<v Speaker 1>The vilification. He'll have to go into hiding. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>produce a Keisha. You have been talking about this surprise

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<v Speaker 1>that you have for us. You refuse to tell us

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. You refuse to give us a hint. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>both of you have tried to get out of me

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<v Speaker 1>what this is. It takes you last week because look,

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<v Speaker 1>I think hindsight can be a very interesting thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And we got a message to our Instagram last week

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<v Speaker 4>from a wonderful listener named Molly, and I can't read

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<v Speaker 4>you exactly what she said because I asked her to

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<v Speaker 4>delete the messages because I didn't want you guys reading

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<v Speaker 4>it ahead of time, because I wanted to surprise you

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<v Speaker 4>on the podcast. So Molly was listening to an episode

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<v Speaker 4>that we recorded back in November of twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the week after.

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<v Speaker 4>You got married Laura, when I was a part of

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<v Speaker 4>Suck and Sweet, and she just said, this is so

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<v Speaker 4>funny now listening to this episode knowing how things have transpired.

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<v Speaker 4>So this is what went down in November twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>Suck and sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>My sweet for the week is I'm still no crushing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm already No, I'm crushing hard. No, look, I'm feeling

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<v Speaker 3>my breasts.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Sam, I am going to tell you that this

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<v Speaker 2>is a disaster waiting to happen. Brittany, you always need me, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm always correct this one. Maybe I need some

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<v Speaker 2>support every night again, Laura, there has been some that

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<v Speaker 2>I've been supported, this new one. This is a bad idea,

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<v Speaker 2>Brittany Hockley face. Now, I cannot believe that we have

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<v Speaker 2>a dating relationship podcast and after three years you are

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<v Speaker 2>still entertaining this relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Firstly personally, you know I haven't a traction to people

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<v Speaker 1>that aren't here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I'm commitment fo I know I had a

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<v Speaker 3>red flag because I know it.

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<v Speaker 2>I also want to make this very plea to everybody

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this. This is I'm not being the hard

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<v Speaker 2>ass best friend. Are you details around this?

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<v Speaker 3>Which you don't, But if you did, you would.

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<v Speaker 2>Come and smack Brittany and say you are being such

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<v Speaker 2>a naughty little girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Do not try and entertain this that he doesn't live

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<v Speaker 3>in this country, to turn on.

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<v Speaker 2>So that he's physically not here, turn on that you

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<v Speaker 2>only knew him for two days and now you're in

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<v Speaker 2>love with him.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not in love with him. I'm in lust with him.

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<v Speaker 3>It was three days and we've been speaking for a

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<v Speaker 3>long time now, of course on social media. I can't guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, my half for the week is that Britney never learns.

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<v Speaker 3>She never learns from her mistakes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am so tired three years of being the

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<v Speaker 2>responsible one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's too much. You're tired. But let's be real. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>giving you content. That's all I need, and I'm learning slowly. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a sprint, it's a marathon marathon. To be fair,

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<v Speaker 3>it worked out quite well for you, Laura. This time

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<v Speaker 3>is the worst idea you've ever had. I mean very

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<v Speaker 3>good now it's in a very good place. That was

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<v Speaker 3>actually very funny to listen to.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell Also, like for anyone going back through the trenches,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know what we said.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know who I was two years ago. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>I also can't be held to account for anything I

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<v Speaker 2>said two years ago. I'm a different person.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I still back you. I still think you were right.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's just rare. I mean she thinks she

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<v Speaker 3>was right. I mean love.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad it's worked out the way that it has.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad that you're happy. And I love Ben.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you guys are together. But if you ever,

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<v Speaker 2>if you guys don't work out and you come to

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<v Speaker 2>me and you're like.

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<v Speaker 3>So I am pressure on me. So I met a guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in Ireland, and I'm just gonna see where things go,

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<v Speaker 2>I will feel the same.

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<v Speaker 1>I met a guy that I actually is taking a

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<v Speaker 1>solo scientific position in Antarctica, and I think it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go well.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no Wi Fi there, but there are a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of penguins. But I've only seen him for one day.

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<v Speaker 3>I think his name is Steve. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 3>feeling good about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes, guys, sometimes you need the best friend in your

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<v Speaker 2>life who tells you no shit, oh that was really

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<v Speaker 2>went somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>IM sorry talking about something you know. Sometimes you need.

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<v Speaker 2>The best friend in your life who is the voice

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<v Speaker 2>of reason, even if you don't listen to that.

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<v Speaker 3>If I listened to you, Laura, where do you think

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<v Speaker 3>I would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Dating someone on the street somewhere with some hool again.

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<v Speaker 2>No, look, I mean I am very happy to admit

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<v Speaker 2>that I was wrong in this instance.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, because now I've transitioned from lust to love.

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<v Speaker 2>You already loved him then it was three days and

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<v Speaker 2>you were so like you never took your face out

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<v Speaker 2>of your phone trying to have a conversation with Brich.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd be like, yeah, I'm listening, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're texting Ben, aren't you. You're texting this guy. Ye,

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<v Speaker 2>give me your phone.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna snack him as well.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't fall in love in three days. But like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that was great. Three days I just had them.

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<v Speaker 3>The memory just really hit me. That was the three

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<v Speaker 3>days we didn't hear from you. We thought you died

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<v Speaker 3>almost did.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, guys, if you're listening back to the back catalog

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<v Speaker 2>of life on cut and you can find some other gems,

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<v Speaker 2>send them on through. Really, just please do I like

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<v Speaker 2>the little I need the walk down memory lane. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to be held accountable for all the things I've

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<v Speaker 2>said wrong. What's the time frame?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, in the court of law, how there's like

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<v Speaker 4>a time period that you can't be held accountable for something.

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<v Speaker 2>Statutory statutories, we've had a declarate, I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 2>I always bring it up, but it always tells me

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<v Speaker 2>it's wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>And then we've had bake laws up ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten years, guys, after ten years can't be held accountable?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think ow whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>Statutory limit or whatever limitations something like that?

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<v Speaker 3>What should ours be for life on cut?

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<v Speaker 4>How long can we be held accountable for thoughts, opinions

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<v Speaker 4>or advice that we give on asking.

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<v Speaker 1>Part, I don't think we can put that down because

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<v Speaker 1>someone will hold is accountable for what we've just said.

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<v Speaker 4>In return palacy twenty eight days, you gonna have proof

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<v Speaker 4>of a receipt.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>The funniest thing I.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember about that time is that for some reason, that

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<v Speaker 1>day and this never happens you Laura produced a Keisha

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<v Speaker 1>and Maddie Jay were at my house because we had

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<v Speaker 1>some random recording and it was this was the three days.

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<v Speaker 1>The first day I met Ben and I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys are about to go, and I was already

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<v Speaker 1>linking up this guy. I was this guy was coming

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<v Speaker 1>over and instead of ushering you out the door quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like Hey, guys, just procrastinate for a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>because this guy I'm banging's coming over and I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to see him because I just thought, like.

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<v Speaker 3>I just thought I was gonna show him off like

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<v Speaker 3>my little.

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<v Speaker 1>Prize possession for the day, and I was never seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the guy again, so I made you all wait around

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<v Speaker 1>the poor guy. Ben walked in thinking it was just me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh god, it was everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, guys, can you go what I asked

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<v Speaker 3>you to stay to look at him? And then I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, guys, this is awkward. Please leave. I'm trying,

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<v Speaker 3>like it's not cool. Your exact words were, you need

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<v Speaker 3>to stay. He's so fucking hot. You've got to see this.

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<v Speaker 4>And so remember why we were there. It was because

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<v Speaker 4>we were recording the episode about your wedding. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 4>why Matt was there. And it's not like Ben subtle.

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<v Speaker 4>He's like six foot four or something like this tall

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<v Speaker 4>handsome man waltz through the door and the three of

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<v Speaker 4>us are sitting there like.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, and he was mortified.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm so sorry they're hanging around like

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<v Speaker 2>a bad smell. I no, I don't remember you saying like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh I couldn't get rid of them. I think you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the record ran over, Sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I made up something because I just wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted because I thought I was never seen

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<v Speaker 1>him again, so I thought it would be really cool

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<v Speaker 1>for my world to collide. And also in my head,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like content, like this hot guy that I've banged,

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<v Speaker 1>at least you guys have seen him, and then obviously

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<v Speaker 1>here we are.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously he became the love of your life and we

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<v Speaker 4>didn't think that things would go that way, but based

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<v Speaker 4>off of past experiences, which is why at the time,

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<v Speaker 4>I was on Laura's side, going, you're being a good

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<v Speaker 4>friend by telling her the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>You're giving her the tough love and she needs it.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you on Laura's side, Kisha, Yeah, yeah, most people were,

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<v Speaker 2>except for the odd lifer who would message me and say,

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<v Speaker 2>you're being so mean to Brittany. She's in love.

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<v Speaker 3>You should just be happy.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot tell you the amount of you guys, the

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<v Speaker 2>listeners who messaged me privately to tell me that I

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<v Speaker 2>needed to be nicer to brit about you being in

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<v Speaker 2>a new relationship, and I was like.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone, everyone, let's just take a step back.

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<v Speaker 2>I just did COVID with Britt in another country, running

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<v Speaker 2>around after a love and then I watched her be

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<v Speaker 2>heart broken, decimated on the floor.

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<v Speaker 3>And now that's a shit on the floor. Oh you were,

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<v Speaker 3>you were.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally no, that's defecating decimated. And then now out of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 2>you've told me you've fallen in love with the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who you banged for two nights on they are.

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<v Speaker 1>If you banged him for two nights, you would have

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<v Speaker 1>loved him too, And then you've gone overseas and change.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, guys, anyone who thinks I shouldn't be saying,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Britt, I love you, but I'm worried is

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<v Speaker 2>actually insane. Also, and I'm not saying I am so

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<v Speaker 2>happy it has worked out and I will absolutely be

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<v Speaker 2>in the wrong. But to any one of whose messaged

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<v Speaker 2>to me, I love you, but go and fuck yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>you should be a better friend to your friends. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>Ben maa bentu be he does I know, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I want the best for you and I was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to protect you.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually said, you know, when you start dating somebody

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<v Speaker 1>and you become obsessed with everything about them, you look

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<v Speaker 1>at it like where you look at it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, like you want to know everything about someone.

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<v Speaker 3>So obviously he read our book, Laura, We Love Love.

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<v Speaker 1>He just started reading the whole book, and then he

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<v Speaker 1>listened to every episode of the podcast, so he was

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<v Speaker 1>listening to us talking about those.

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<v Speaker 3>Times, and he was like, why does Laura not like me?

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, oh, here we go, and he

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<v Speaker 3>had it. He was convinced that you didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Nah, I was just playing hard to get. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I hold higher standards for Brittany than what she holds

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<v Speaker 2>for herself.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how I felt at the time. But my standard

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<v Speaker 3>was pretty hard. Ben proved himself. I just don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to see you get hurt again.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all it was, is jack hammery and such a really.

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<v Speaker 3>Why are we rushing good all day? Thank you for that? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Can I say off the back of that, something I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to bring up quickly. It's something we spoke about

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<v Speaker 2>on as gun Cut last week and it was you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned LinkedIn and my brain.

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<v Speaker 3>Went ping, ping, ping ping.

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<v Speaker 2>We had this question that happened and it was around

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<v Speaker 2>so this girl she'd met a guy he'd said he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have social media. She tried to find him on

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<v Speaker 2>social media, couldn't find him, and then she asked the

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<v Speaker 2>question as to whether or not she should meddle to

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<v Speaker 2>him on LinkedIn because she found his LinkedIn profile but

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't have social media. Now, Britt, you and I

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of the time of whatever the word is, statue true,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not it, whatever limitation I think double.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's longer than four days.

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<v Speaker 2>But we said on that episode that it was fine,

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<v Speaker 2>you should you should go, you should message, shoot your

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<v Speaker 2>shot one more time, or at least one time, and

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<v Speaker 2>then see what happens.

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<v Speaker 3>You're attracting your statement.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not retracting our statement. But we put up

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<v Speaker 2>the social vid of that on lifeunca podcast or Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>and the overarching comments there were so many, but there was,

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<v Speaker 2>like I would say, more than ninety nine percent of

0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:13.119
<v Speaker 2>people had said don't message him. And the reasoning for

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<v Speaker 2>that was that they were saying, if you met him

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<v Speaker 2>in real life, if he made a point of saying

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have social media, he also then had the

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to give you his number or give you another

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<v Speaker 2>way of contacting him. But he just left it with

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<v Speaker 2>a blockage of saying I don't have those things and

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<v Speaker 2>then went on his merry way. So majority of people

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<v Speaker 2>interpreted that situation as though, well, look, he's already given

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<v Speaker 2>you the indication he's not interested in you, why would

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<v Speaker 2>you message him on LinkedIn. I still don't agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Great disagree with everyone on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 3>No, sorry, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>What I will say is there are numerous times people

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<v Speaker 1>meet each other in real life and don't swap numbers

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<v Speaker 1>or nothing happens because they just don't expect that that's

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<v Speaker 1>the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't think the other person will be interested. This

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<v Speaker 3>happens more.

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<v Speaker 1>Times, well they're nervous, or they're nervous more times than not.

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<v Speaker 1>People safety net is unfortunately online, even lifers. Right, how

0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.080
<v Speaker 1>many times I've had messages from lifers say that I

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<v Speaker 1>saw you, literally, Hey, I just saw you ten minutes ago,

0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:11.679
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't want to say hi, so I messaged you,

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<v Speaker 1>And in my.

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<v Speaker 3>Head I was like, but say hi.

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<v Speaker 1>You must have just been around the corner from where

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<v Speaker 1>I was right now, because you've jumped straight on your

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<v Speaker 1>phone to say hi online because you feel more comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>And I understand that, and I think that that relates

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of people in today's dating scene. The

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<v Speaker 1>worst thing that can happen if you, like, if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't shoot this shot right, It's not like you've messaged

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<v Speaker 1>him on Instagram and he's left you m right, and

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<v Speaker 1>you've blocked him, And it's not like he gave you

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<v Speaker 1>his number and he's blocked you.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you're like, I'm going to try LinkedIn, I've

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<v Speaker 3>got his address, I'm turning up like this is just

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<v Speaker 3>your one reach out.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's fine if you don't shoot your show,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't ask, and you're you're not writing to

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<v Speaker 1>him proposing marriage. If he says no, he will politely

0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.600
<v Speaker 1>decline in whatever capacity. No skin off your back. You

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<v Speaker 1>walk away and it's fine. But maybe there's a chance

0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.520
<v Speaker 1>he will reply and it might be something, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that situation just wasn't right.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I just say you guys have not changed it

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<v Speaker 4>all since twenty twenty two. You're still the dreamer and

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<v Speaker 4>you're still the realist I am. I You're the dreamer

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<v Speaker 4>who's like, shoot your shot, take your chance, and Laura's like,

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<v Speaker 4>here are the factors you need to be realistic about.

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<v Speaker 4>This could have happened, Like the things have not changed

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<v Speaker 4>as much as what we think they are.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not a pessimist. I'm just a realist. But

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<v Speaker 2>also I'm with you, britt I just thought it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was really interesting the way in which

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<v Speaker 2>people interpreted that on social media, because overarchingly the number

0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:32.280
<v Speaker 2>of comments on there were all saying, don't do it.

0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:34.959
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's interesting when we give our advice

0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:38.480
<v Speaker 2>and feedback on ask Guncut episodes and then the majority

0:22:38.560 --> 0:22:40.439
<v Speaker 2>says no, which in this case was the instance.

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<v Speaker 3>What I want to leave you with is when have

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<v Speaker 3>we ever leaved down?

0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Brittany's like, what I want to leave you with is

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always right. Don't listen to Laura why I want

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<v Speaker 2>to leave it. Go Chase the footballer who lives in

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<v Speaker 2>another country.

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<v Speaker 3>Good. Sometimes it works out, sometimes we'll see. Sometimes I've

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<v Speaker 3>got to ring.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet. Something we wanted to talk about on this episode

0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:10.520
<v Speaker 2>is the very real life Handmaid's Tale, Like it's unbelievable

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<v Speaker 2>what is going down at Alabama at the moment. So

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<v Speaker 2>so many of you would be familiar with the conversations

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:19.720
<v Speaker 2>that happened around Roev Wade being overturned and how fertility

0:23:19.960 --> 0:23:23.560
<v Speaker 2>abortion rights IVF. All of these discussions were then handed

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<v Speaker 2>over to the states within America. We spoke about Roev

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<v Speaker 2>Wade when that happened back in twenty twenty two, but

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<v Speaker 2>now there's been more changes and more advances in Alabama.

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<v Speaker 2>So what has happened is the Alabama Supreme Court has

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<v Speaker 2>ruled that frozen embryos created and stored for in vitro

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<v Speaker 2>fertilization are children under a state law which is allowing

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<v Speaker 2>parents to sue for wrongful death of their minor children. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why this ruling has come to light is

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<v Speaker 2>because it's all off the back of a civil suit

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<v Speaker 2>that started in twenty twenty. So there was an incident

0:23:57.200 --> 0:24:00.679
<v Speaker 2>where three separate couples embryos were destroyed.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's actually quite devastating.

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<v Speaker 2>What happened, and what seems to have kind of gone

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<v Speaker 2>down is that a patient went in and was able

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<v Speaker 2>to access the freezers.

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Which god knows how you even do that, But that's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole nother story.

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<v Speaker 3>It's insanity.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, they've accessed the freezers, they've been able to handle

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:17.399
<v Speaker 2>the frozen embryos of other people's families, and they have

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:19.720
<v Speaker 2>dropped them. So what it says in the court documents

0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 2>is that the person got freezer burns when they handled

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:25.119
<v Speaker 2>these embryos. They dropped the petri dishes, they smashed on

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 2>the floor because they said like minus eighty degrees. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and they destroyed three families embryos. So this was taken

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<v Speaker 2>as a civil suit originally for what's called wrongful death

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<v Speaker 2>of a miner. And originally it was overturned in court

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<v Speaker 2>because a frozen embryo can't be considered a minor, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was the original ruling. Now this was then taken

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<v Speaker 2>further than that. It was taken to the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>with that original ruling was overturned, and the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>in Alabama has since to find that a frozen embryo

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<v Speaker 2>is considered to be a child, that a child is

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<v Speaker 2>from the moment of fertilization, whether that is in the

0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 2>womb or externally frozen, whatever, which brings so many more questions.

0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:10.960
<v Speaker 2>And the reason why this is such a I mean,

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.920
<v Speaker 2>it's such a landmark case, but also the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>it is now fraught with so many problems is that

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<v Speaker 2>it raises questions around IVF in general, around the moral

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<v Speaker 2>liability of IVF clinics and what they do with those embryos,

0:25:25.119 --> 0:25:28.840
<v Speaker 2>around the long term storage of embryos and frozen because

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<v Speaker 2>it means you can't destroy an embryo, you can't do

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<v Speaker 2>anything to that that would then potentially hold you liable

0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 2>for this wrongful death. And it also means that some

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:40.960
<v Speaker 2>of these clinics could come under what would be considered

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<v Speaker 2>criminal charges for the way in which they're handling embryos.

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<v Speaker 2>It's completely changed the benchmark for how IVF can be

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<v Speaker 2>handled within the state of Alabama. And then I guess

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<v Speaker 2>the big thing is is Alabama's only one of eleven

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<v Speaker 2>states who have these similar rulings post roeby Wade, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it begs the question is it's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>ruled out across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a little look into Alabama wrongful death and

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<v Speaker 1>this is what it says. The party responsible for the

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<v Speaker 1>death could be charged with a criminal offense and if convicted,

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<v Speaker 1>they could face fines, jail time, and other penalties. Although

0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 1>a criminal conviction could provide the family with some sense

0:26:15.840 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 1>of closure, it does not compensate them for their loss.

0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 1>So currently these families are trying to sue. But technically

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<v Speaker 1>what this means is if you are convicted of wrongful death,

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:30.760
<v Speaker 1>you could face a prison sentence. This could be off

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the back of literally freezing five embryos and then for

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 1>whatever reason, deciding not to use all or some and

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:42.119
<v Speaker 1>or one. Maybe it could be one embryo. Maybe you

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:44.920
<v Speaker 1>have an embryo that didn't develop properly and had some

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 1>sort of genetic abnormalities and you decide you don't want

0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 1>to go further for whatever reason, or maybe you're not

0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 1>allowed to go further for whatever reason. That could also

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>be seen as wrongful death.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you would still have to keep it frozen forever

0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:00.320
<v Speaker 2>almost or like indefinitely, because what do you you do?

0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 2>You can't discard it if it's considered to be a child.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not know what the repercussions and the future

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 1>is going to look like in that capacity, But what

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>I do know is the effect that this is going

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 1>to have on women in Alabama, and hopefully it doesn't

0:27:13.760 --> 0:27:18.280
<v Speaker 1>go any further than Alabama. The repercussions are so astronomical,

0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 1>both the financial stress and the emotional stress that that

0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>is going to put on a woman even trying to

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>make the decision if she should go forth with IVF,

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 1>because imagine the stress you already have doing IVF. But

0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>then on top of that you're like, holy shit, what

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 1>if something goes wrong and I end up in prison?

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:36.639
<v Speaker 3>See?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that for me, I understand when you say,

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 2>think about all the people who are considering this, but

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.600
<v Speaker 2>at least the people who are considering IVF in Alabama

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:49.040
<v Speaker 2>have the choice to potentially consider it somewhere else now

0:27:49.080 --> 0:27:51.439
<v Speaker 2>that these legislations have come in. The people who I

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.440
<v Speaker 2>think are in the most gravous of situations are women

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:57.679
<v Speaker 2>who have already been through the embryo freezing process. So

0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 2>they already have ten or fifteen or whatever it is

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:03.960
<v Speaker 2>embryos that are frozen, and now they could be criminally

0:28:04.000 --> 0:28:06.679
<v Speaker 2>liable for those embryos. The big question that they have

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 2>is what are they going to do with that? Do

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.919
<v Speaker 2>you then wait until you've hit menopause and then have

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean go through the very costly task of having

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:16.399
<v Speaker 2>eggs inserted into you. Then, knowing that they are not

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:19.400
<v Speaker 2>going to take do you keep them frozen indefinitely, which

0:28:19.400 --> 0:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>means that you're paying storage fees for forever.

0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:21.959
<v Speaker 1>I mean.

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 2>The other big question though, here is is if you

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 2>legally have to keep those eggs frozen, does the state

0:28:28.600 --> 0:28:32.679
<v Speaker 2>not have some responsibility of financial reimbursement? And we were

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 2>having this discussion just as we were unpacking the many

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 2>complexities of this, and we were like, well, if you

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 2>are outlaying a cost for what is considered to be

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 2>a child, even though that child is frozen and currently

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.640
<v Speaker 2>in a freezer an IVF clinic, does that not mean

0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 2>that that child is a dependent that embryo is a

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.560
<v Speaker 2>dependent on you. So therefore, wouldn't there be some sort

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>of tax benefits that you could get back in order

0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:56.560
<v Speaker 2>to be able to pay for the freezing. There's just

0:28:56.720 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 2>so many complications around this, and the fact that the

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:03.200
<v Speaker 2>law has changed in such a swift nature it means

0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 2>that so many women and families are going to be

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 2>put in this precarious situation where it could be criminally liable.

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't understand how you can change a law and

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 1>then backdate it. It's like saying, on a lesser level,

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 1>imagine somebody brings in and says, jaywalking in the city

0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>center is now one year fine from this day, Like

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>this is when the legislation is brought in. So let's

0:29:26.040 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 1>go back through all our CCTV footage for the last

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 1>ten years and see who jaywalked, and then we're going

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to put you in prison for you like, no, you

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:32.920
<v Speaker 1>can't backdate a law.

0:29:33.120 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, but I disagree with that. And the

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:37.240
<v Speaker 2>reason why I disagree with that as an example, is

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 2>that they're not backdating the law. What they're saying is

0:29:39.640 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 2>that we now are clarifying and we are classifying any embryo,

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 2>any frozen embryo as a child life and so it

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter that it's backdated. They're not going to say, hey, well,

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 2>because you last year destroyed your embryo, as we're going

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>to criminally charge you. Now, what they're saying is is

0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>any that are now on ice need to be treated

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 2>along side these new legislations.

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but you make a decision on the education at

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>that time. They made a decision to freeze, not knowing

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:08.719
<v Speaker 1>there could be a possibility again they're going to be charged.

0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 1>They probably wouldn't have made that exact decision if there

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:12.360
<v Speaker 1>was more information at the time.

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, that is my problem, yes, but that is the

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 2>whole thing that people are facing now. That's why this

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>is just such an incredibly overwhelming moral debate. But I

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 2>guess the real problem here is, like, because religion and

0:30:25.240 --> 0:30:27.800
<v Speaker 2>politics have been conflated now within the States and that's

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 2>what happened when reproductive rights was given back to the

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 2>states to make their independent decisions. And there was a

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<v Speaker 2>really interesting so like when this new ruling happened the Amendments.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what was written.

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<v Speaker 2>The people of Alabama have declared the public policy of

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 2>this state to be that unborn human life is sacred.

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 2>We believe that each human being, from the moment of conception,

0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 2>is made in the image of God, created by Him

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 2>to reflect his likeness. It is as if the people

0:30:53.240 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 2>of Alabama took what was spoken of the prophet Jeremiah

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and applied it to every unborn person in this state.

0:31:01.160 --> 0:31:04.520
<v Speaker 2>It is unbelievable to me that from astern like a

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 2>westernized country. I understand that there are many countries throughout

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:11.239
<v Speaker 2>the world where politics and religion are so intertwined, But

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 2>for a country like America to have it so deeply

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 2>intertwined that it affects women in this way, it is

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>almost unfathomable. How many steps backwards have been taken in

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 2>this You.

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Said this earlier in the chat, Laura, you can go

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else, to another state for IVF. Sure, of course,

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>you can go to another state for IVF. But the

0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>extra expense that takes to move to another state to

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>do your treatment is huge because you don't just duck over,

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 1>go into the clinic, put your own brew in high

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:44.479
<v Speaker 1>five and go home. It takes weeks of injections and

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>blood tests and ultrasounds, So you would have to move

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 1>to that place for whatever period of time you need,

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 1>depending on your IVF needs. You would have to stay

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 1>in that place, do all of your injections there. And

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 1>it's so timed that you can't just keep going between states. Right,

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it's every day for people, Sometimes it's every two days,

0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>every three days, whatever.

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's going to be a situation where only the

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:08.200
<v Speaker 2>most privileged and only the most financially like wealthy people

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 2>are going to be able to access this type of

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:14.080
<v Speaker 2>IVF treatment, because I mean, it's not What's happening now

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 2>is that a lot of clinics within Alabama have paused

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 2>their embryo freezing facilities. But you can still go in

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 2>have eggs taken, and have IVF done without doing the

0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 2>freezing portion of the embryos. You can have your eggs frozen,

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>you can have embryos created instantly. But it just means

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:33.719
<v Speaker 2>that what is going to happen is that people are

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 2>going to have to do more rounds of IVF. They're

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 2>going to have to outlay that initial cost more times,

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 2>and in the States for an IVF treatment it's even

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:43.560
<v Speaker 2>more than what it is in Australia. It's fifteen to

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand to have one round of IVF.

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:48.680
<v Speaker 1>It is more there, and they don't get any form

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 1>of rebates or government help where there are forms of

0:32:51.240 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 1>rebates in Australia.

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 2>Which I think the most devastating part of this whole

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>thing is that families who can't conceive naturally are so penalized.

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.160
<v Speaker 1>I haven't spoken about this on the podcast yet, but

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:06.520
<v Speaker 1>now seems like a.

0:33:04.960 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 3>Very very perfect time.

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I did speak about this at one live show at

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:14.120
<v Speaker 1>the Sydney Live Show, very briefly, but last year. You

0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:15.840
<v Speaker 1>guys know you've been on my fertility journey for a

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 1>very long time. You know this has been years now.

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm thirty six years old, i'll be thirty seventy in August,

0:33:21.400 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>and I've been freezing my eggs a few times, and

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 1>then I realized that I probably need to freeze embryos

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:29.520
<v Speaker 1>if I do want to have a child, and that

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>is just not my own realization.

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:33.160
<v Speaker 3>This is from many discussions with my.

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>IVF doctor and just the research that's available for my

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 1>fertility and my results. I don't have great fertility. I

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.440
<v Speaker 1>never got a huge number of eggs, and every time

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I went.

0:33:44.800 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 3>Back they got less and less and less. So I

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:48.640
<v Speaker 3>made the decision.

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 1>I should say, we made the decision Ben and I

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to freeze embryos last year, which was a pretty big

0:33:55.040 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>decision and I didn't take it lightly. And it might

0:33:57.720 --> 0:33:59.240
<v Speaker 1>seem like to a lot of people that that came

0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:03.200
<v Speaker 1>really quickly in our relationship, But I think relationships develop

0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 1>at different times the older you get, and sometimes when

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:09.360
<v Speaker 1>there's an external pressure, like a biological clock and like

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 1>the extra fertility stress, you do make decisions.

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Why and I know the reason to this, but I

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 2>think for the context of people listening who have because

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 2>like everyone who is a lifer has followed along so

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 2>much around the egg freezing conversations that we've had. But

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 2>why didn't you want to share sooner that you had

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 2>frozen embryos, because that is such a big monumental thing

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 2>from like a relationship perspective, but also from a fertility

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 2>conversation that you left out at the original talks that

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 2>we had.

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:42.000
<v Speaker 1>It's funny because I do share everything on the podcast

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and well most things, and we've always said we don't

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:48.200
<v Speaker 1>share everything. But I always had this feeling because Laura

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:49.839
<v Speaker 1>and I had these discussions, are you going to talk

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>about this that you're doing it?

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I said, that's kind of what made the

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:55.359
<v Speaker 2>last round of egg freezing such a big deal.

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 3>And I said, no, I don't think I'm going to.

0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 3>I think, and I.

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Guess in a way, I I told a bit of

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 1>a fib to you guys.

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:03.000
<v Speaker 3>What wasn't a fib, but it was a bend of

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 3>a trick of the truth.

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>I said, I was just doing another egg freezing round,

0:35:06.080 --> 0:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>which it is right, it takes out the eggs. But

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't tell you that I was making those eggs

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:12.719
<v Speaker 1>into an embryo because it felt highly personal and it

0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>was very personal to Ben as well.

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:16.359
<v Speaker 3>And I didn't want to talk about it.

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Because I was worried about the result and I didn't

0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 1>want to be going through if it didn't work or

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:26.920
<v Speaker 1>something went wrong. I didn't want everyone to know that

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I was going through it and then have to talk

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:30.839
<v Speaker 1>about the fact that it didn't work.

0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 3>And this was just a preconceived.

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Idea, right, Like everybody that I know in my life

0:35:35.080 --> 0:35:38.759
<v Speaker 1>that has done embryos, I didn't know many people that

0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:42.000
<v Speaker 1>hadn't ever gotten them. I never assumed that I wouldn't

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.719
<v Speaker 1>get embryos, but I was just worried that something could

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>go wrong. And then I had already laid all the

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:48.239
<v Speaker 1>information out there and you guys knew, and then I

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:49.799
<v Speaker 1>would have to talk about it whilst I was going

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 1>through something. So I was like, let's just see what

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:53.399
<v Speaker 1>happens and then I'll talk about it after the fact,

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I just want to get through this as stress

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 1>freeze possible, because the number one thing is you don't stress.

0:35:58.560 --> 0:36:00.160
<v Speaker 1>That's what you fertility it on just says, which it's

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 1>so funny in hindsight, because you're like, this is very stressful.

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Do you okay, this is a very personal question and

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:07.719
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to answer this if you don't want to,

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:11.520
<v Speaker 2>do you or have you thought about And I'm relating

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:15.080
<v Speaker 2>it back to this conversation with Alabama, Right, what if

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:17.480
<v Speaker 2>something happens where you and Ben don't work out in

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 2>the way that you plan, you know, whatever that is,

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:23.359
<v Speaker 2>and you have embryos that are frozen what do you do?

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 3>That's the other pressure.

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:28.160
<v Speaker 1>So Ben and I we only made this decision because

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>we at this point in time we know and I

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:33.879
<v Speaker 1>feel even bad saying that we want to marry each other,

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 1>we want to be together. And I always say this

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:37.400
<v Speaker 1>point in time because I almost feel like I'm buffering

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>it for myself in case I go take of course

0:36:39.239 --> 0:36:41.799
<v Speaker 1>south in the future. Because we all know relationships are

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:43.759
<v Speaker 1>a funny thing. But it is a pressure. You do

0:36:43.840 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 1>think about it because it is in a way a child.

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 1>It's not alive, but is your DNA and his DNA,

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:52.760
<v Speaker 1>and you've made it and it's ready to become a child.

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 1>So it's really it's such a funny thing. And this

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:57.080
<v Speaker 1>is why I relate with this conversation so much.

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:00.080
<v Speaker 3>But you do.

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.640
<v Speaker 1>You go through so many conversations with the clinic and

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 1>with each other about what that looks like, whether you

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 1>can donate them or if one of you dies, do

0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:09.359
<v Speaker 1>you give permission for the other person to use it?

0:37:09.960 --> 0:37:12.879
<v Speaker 1>Do you want nobody to use it? Do you want

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.640
<v Speaker 1>science to have it? Do you donate it to a friend? Like?

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:17.759
<v Speaker 1>There are so many and so you go through and

0:37:17.800 --> 0:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I won't tell you exactly I did say that my

0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:22.080
<v Speaker 1>sister could use them if my eggs, sorry, my sister

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:24.640
<v Speaker 1>can use my eggs. And then I said, if I die,

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.839
<v Speaker 1>my sister can use my embryos with Ben's permission. So

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:32.280
<v Speaker 1>you fill out so many different scenarios, which sounds crazy

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 1>but makes sense.

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:35.320
<v Speaker 3>But when I went through.

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:38.000
<v Speaker 1>It, so I did it twice last year, and when

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:39.279
<v Speaker 1>I went through it the first time, when I said

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:40.520
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to talk about it in case something

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.720
<v Speaker 1>went wrong, I feel like that was the best decision

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 1>for me, because something did go wrong, and I I

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 1>had it in my head that I was definitely going

0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>to come out with an embryo, because why wouldn't you,

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, you paid so much money, and it's science,

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:58.120
<v Speaker 1>and I'm such a science woman. So I'm like, Okay,

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing every single thing I can possibly do to

0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 1>get an embryo, so it's going to be fine. And

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.640
<v Speaker 1>I got I did get a few embryos, and what

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.719
<v Speaker 1>happens is they develop the embryo and then over a

0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 1>six day period.

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:13.400
<v Speaker 3>It's pretty amazing. It's like CCTV footage.

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>They put these little embryos in the little petri dish

0:38:17.000 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 1>and there's literally a camera that monitors them. These are microscopic, right,

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:22.879
<v Speaker 1>and you can log on at any time and see

0:38:22.880 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>it developing. It's amazing, and it develops over six days.

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>And over the six days things can go wrong. Sometimes

0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 1>they don't develop, sometimes they develop too slowly. But you

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:33.319
<v Speaker 1>need them to make it to the six day mark.

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>When they get to the six day mark. If any

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 1>get there, you can do genetic testing if you choose to.

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 3>You don't have to.

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.319
<v Speaker 1>I decided to do the genetic testing so that when

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.280
<v Speaker 1>the time comes, I have the best chance of falling pregnant.

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:49.800
<v Speaker 1>I know that there's nothing wrong that might miscarry or whatever.

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.319
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to say, I'll pay the extra just

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:55.480
<v Speaker 1>to check that I have the best possible chance. So

0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I only got one that made it to the six days. Sorry,

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:01.879
<v Speaker 1>I got one to make it to the six days,

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 1>and then one didn't survive properly the genetic testing, it

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 1>was two unstable. And they told me that they were like,

0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:09.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not great because they can tell.

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 3>They grade them as well.

0:39:10.600 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 1>They're like, these are good ones, these are meeting ones,

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:13.680
<v Speaker 1>these are bad ones.

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 3>So I had one embryo and I felt really good

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:17.400
<v Speaker 3>about it.

0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:19.279
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know, Ben was like, baby, that's great,

0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:22.080
<v Speaker 1>we only need one, which I know you don't because

0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:25.320
<v Speaker 1>one embryo doesn't equate to one live.

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 3>Birth like a fort chance oft taking.

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 1>But I did want to take that from him too.

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you're right, like, you know, it's fine.

0:39:30.719 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 1>One's fine. Then they do the genetic testing and then

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:37.399
<v Speaker 1>it's like, I think another eight days or something later

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:38.720
<v Speaker 1>you get the results.

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:40.759
<v Speaker 3>But I thought, what are the odds of something being

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 3>wrong with that? So I was telling everyone. I was

0:39:43.040 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 3>We've got an embryo. It's amazing.

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:48.040
<v Speaker 1>And then I remember getting I was over in Scotland

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:50.480
<v Speaker 1>and I remember getting the call from the geneticist and

0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>my clinic and they said, we're so sorry.

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Your embryo has a really really rare abnormality.

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:04.240
<v Speaker 1>And I'm talking like I think there were like twelve

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 1>live births recorded of what this embryo had, and essentially

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 1>it's non viable. So even if it survived the pregnancy,

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:14.080
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't survive life.

0:40:14.120 --> 0:40:16.520
<v Speaker 3>It's not compatible with life. It's not compatible with life.

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:20.279
<v Speaker 1>So I didn't have to make a decision of what

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 1>to do with that embryo because here in Australia you're

0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 1>not allowed to go any further, the clinic won't inject

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 1>you with that embryo because they know it's not going

0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:32.799
<v Speaker 1>to go anywhere. Yeah, but that was devastating. Like, you

0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 1>go through so much, and I know there are so

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>many women out there that going to be listening to this.

0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:38.360
<v Speaker 1>You go through so much, and you have all of science,

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.520
<v Speaker 1>and you've paid so much money, and your hormones have

0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>gone through everything, and you have so much hope that

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:46.640
<v Speaker 1>you're going to get what you want, and then you

0:40:46.680 --> 0:40:48.319
<v Speaker 1>get nothing. And I was like, how did I just

0:40:48.360 --> 0:40:51.680
<v Speaker 1>go through that? How did I just go through all

0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 1>of that alone too and get nothing? I was like, yeah,

0:40:57.680 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and then you, just like you said before, you feel

0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:03.600
<v Speaker 1>so much shame. I don't feel shame, but I feel

0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 1>really guilty. Yeah, because it's that cliche like you feel

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 1>broken and Ben wants a child, but he.

0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:17.160
<v Speaker 3>Wants me more. But you're like, what's wrong with my body?

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Like, even with science, why can't I It doesn't make

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 1>sense anyway. Also, there's another aspect if you like even

0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:29.320
<v Speaker 1>just getting one and having something so rare, I'm.

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:30.799
<v Speaker 3>Like, what are the actual odds of that?

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 1>Like, So I just took a breathe for a little while,

0:41:35.200 --> 0:41:37.320
<v Speaker 1>and I decided to do it again because my fidelity

0:41:37.400 --> 0:41:40.480
<v Speaker 1>specialist was like, look the odds of that happening. She's like,

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 1>I will guarantee you basically that that will not happen again.

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:44.880
<v Speaker 3>She's like, we can go again.

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 1>It can't happen again because Ben and I as individuals

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:53.480
<v Speaker 1>were genetically tested and this is what's so fascinating. Individually,

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:56.640
<v Speaker 1>you're genetically tested as the parents and we were fine.

0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 1>So that's why they test the embryos again because it's

0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:01.560
<v Speaker 1>something in the formation. It's not coming from your DNA,

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:02.719
<v Speaker 1>it's the development.

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like everything, so many things have to go right

0:42:05.400 --> 0:42:07.839
<v Speaker 2>for it to go right, you know, on a DNA level,

0:42:07.880 --> 0:42:10.400
<v Speaker 2>but also just in terms of like how it progresses.

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:14.799
<v Speaker 1>So took a few months off because I just needed

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:18.080
<v Speaker 1>to get myself ready emotionally again. Did it again, and

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:20.799
<v Speaker 1>that was when you guys might have seen Ben flew

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 1>over just for that week. We sort of had a

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:24.719
<v Speaker 1>joke about it, but he flew in for like three

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 1>or four days. He literally flew in for my collection

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:33.279
<v Speaker 1>and he did a live donation. So last time we

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:36.000
<v Speaker 1>used frozen sperm, but this time we were like, okay,

0:42:36.080 --> 0:42:39.640
<v Speaker 1>let's try fresh. So he flew in, and he also

0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:42.840
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to be there. If I got none again,

0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>he thought that I would be a mess, and I

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:45.520
<v Speaker 1>would have been.

0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:46.920
<v Speaker 3>So it was really beautiful.

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:50.359
<v Speaker 1>So he flew in, did his sperm donation, we did

0:42:50.360 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing again, and long story short, we ended

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>up with five, which is great, and then three good ones.

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:01.720
<v Speaker 3>So three so I free that are viable.

0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:04.680
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I now have very happy to report I

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 1>have three genetically tested embryos frozen, which was like, yeah,

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.759
<v Speaker 1>which was really exciting. And they're graded, which is also

0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 1>interesting because they're like, this is.

0:43:18.760 --> 0:43:19.560
<v Speaker 3>The best one.

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Then they're like this is also good, and then they're

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 1>like this is like we'll use that if the other.

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 3>Ones don't work.

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Like they actually put them in a grade, which is

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>really cool.

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:31.160
<v Speaker 2>But you know, the big thing about this, brit and like,

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:33.319
<v Speaker 2>not that I want to link your personal story back

0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:36.200
<v Speaker 2>to this, but imagine if you were in a situation

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:41.400
<v Speaker 2>where that first round of embryo creation, where an embryo

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 2>was created that was completely non viable with life, but

0:43:44.840 --> 0:43:48.960
<v Speaker 2>could not be destroyed and could not be implanted, so

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:51.880
<v Speaker 2>you were also then left with the financial implications of

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 2>keeping it on ice indefinitely because nobody knows what to

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.239
<v Speaker 2>do with it for fear of criminal negligence, or for

0:43:59.360 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 2>fear of being punished for quote unquote killing a child

0:44:02.760 --> 0:44:06.879
<v Speaker 2>or unlawful harm to a child. Like it's unfathomable. The

0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 2>pain that some of these families will go through and

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the lack of support that they have because of these

0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:13.120
<v Speaker 2>changes in rulings.

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:15.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, that's what made me so emotionally charged about this.

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:17.600
<v Speaker 1>When I saw this come out last week, I was

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:20.120
<v Speaker 1>speaking to my sister Sherry about it, and I was like,

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 1>you realize, there's a high chance if I was in

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Alabama in that situation that I, you know, I could.

0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:26.799
<v Speaker 3>Go to prison. It could be wrongful death first of all,

0:44:28.120 --> 0:44:28.680
<v Speaker 3>or be sued.

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.359
<v Speaker 1>First of all, I would have embryos that I might

0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 1>not ever be able to use. Second of all, I

0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 1>had one that had to be terminated because it was

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:40.720
<v Speaker 1>non viable. But they would see it in Alabama as viable.

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:42.680
<v Speaker 1>They would see that it is still it has still

0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 1>been made alife, and they would have still said you

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 1>need to give it the best chance of living, even

0:44:46.800 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 1>though science says it won't. Yeah, I could not imagine

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 1>what those women were going through. But then there's a

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 1>part of me that also relates to those three families

0:44:57.239 --> 0:45:01.239
<v Speaker 1>that lost their embryo. I understand and in a way

0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:04.720
<v Speaker 1>what they must be feeling, because I know how unlikely

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:06.279
<v Speaker 1>it is that I'll probably get any more.

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:08.080
<v Speaker 3>So imagine if someone had smashed the.

0:45:08.200 --> 0:45:10.839
<v Speaker 1>Someone after what I have just been through. And people

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 1>are going through it a lot more than me. They

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.440
<v Speaker 1>know in ten, fifteen, twenty like, there are people doing

0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 1>multiple unsuccessful embryo collections and IDA frowns, So I can't

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:21.520
<v Speaker 1>imagine how much worse it is for them. But if

0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.480
<v Speaker 1>someone if I only had those three and some dickhead

0:45:25.000 --> 0:45:27.640
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, just knocked them off and they smashed,

0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:32.960
<v Speaker 1>and I cannot imagine how upset and angry and furious

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:35.800
<v Speaker 1>you would be that a chance to have a family

0:45:35.840 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 1>that so many people think about their whole life and

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 1>hold on to has literally just been snatched from their hands.

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Don't get me wrong, I understand why these three families

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.839
<v Speaker 2>brought this as a civil suit and then fought it hard.

0:45:47.960 --> 0:45:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I understand why they did it. But what I don't

0:45:50.600 --> 0:45:54.680
<v Speaker 2>agree with is I don't agree with how the state

0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 2>has taken such an emotionally charged case that is such

0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 2>a unique case that has never happened before, and use

0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:05.399
<v Speaker 2>that as the basis to change the legislation, which will

0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 2>affect everybody, and it affects people who now have embryos,

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:12.080
<v Speaker 2>who have gone through breakups, divorces who can't use them,

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:14.720
<v Speaker 2>who have gone through deaths, who have gone through whatever

0:46:14.800 --> 0:46:18.000
<v Speaker 2>the situation is. Imagine if you are married and your

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.960
<v Speaker 2>wife dies and you have embryos on ice, what do

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 2>you do with them? Now You've got the financial implications

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 2>of having to manage the fact that you have at

0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:29.319
<v Speaker 2>your widowed, but also manage the financial implications that you

0:46:29.360 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 2>have embryos on ice that you can never use or

0:46:31.239 --> 0:46:33.640
<v Speaker 2>you have to donate them to someone to use. And

0:46:33.680 --> 0:46:38.000
<v Speaker 2>then that's another conversation around whether you morally personally can

0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:38.359
<v Speaker 2>do it.

0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I just think for someone who fucking loved The Handmaid's Tale,

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:45.080
<v Speaker 2>I see some of this stuff playing out in the States,

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, that is exactly where this is headed.

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 2>And I know that this conversation will be very emotionally

0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:52.799
<v Speaker 2>charged for a lot of people. Whether it's because you

0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:55.400
<v Speaker 2>have been through the IVF journey yourself, or maybe it

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 2>is because you are somebody who is deeply religious and

0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:02.800
<v Speaker 2>you hold these views. I understand that you feel the

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 2>way that you feel, and I know that we will

0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:06.840
<v Speaker 2>receive messages from people who may be angry that we

0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:10.759
<v Speaker 2>don't agree with it, But ultimately this affects so many

0:47:10.800 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 2>more people beyond your personal beliefs. And I guess one

0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:15.759
<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why I get so angry about this,

0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:17.560
<v Speaker 2>and I think we all should be angry about this,

0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 2>is that when you really boil it down, the whole

0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:24.320
<v Speaker 2>purpose behind this is to try and preserve and protect children. Ultimately,

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 2>that's what they're trying to say. But I just think

0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:28.840
<v Speaker 2>that is so dressed up, like it's such a farce

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 2>when the biggest killer of children in the United States

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 2>is gun violence and nobody is doing anything, well, I

0:47:35.560 --> 0:47:38.800
<v Speaker 2>mean in terms of when it comes to the political powers,

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.719
<v Speaker 2>it be nobody is doing anything because it's a constitutional

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:44.600
<v Speaker 2>right to bear arms. And so ultimately, if you care

0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:47.319
<v Speaker 2>so much about kids, do something about gun more one

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 2>hundred percent.

0:47:48.040 --> 0:47:49.400
<v Speaker 1>And the last thing I want to say is to

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:52.279
<v Speaker 1>be clear, I didn't agree that this should be a

0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:55.520
<v Speaker 1>cause for wrongful death. I don't agree that this legislation

0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.080
<v Speaker 1>should be in place, But what I do say, I

0:47:58.160 --> 0:48:02.120
<v Speaker 1>understand is the feeling that those families must have, the

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 1>feeling that they're may be their one chance of a

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:06.600
<v Speaker 1>family has been taken away from them. But this is

0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:09.399
<v Speaker 1>very evidently something that needs to be I mean, it's

0:48:09.440 --> 0:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>such a peculiar particular case that we haven't seen before.

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:15.080
<v Speaker 1>It is a situation that will have to be taken

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:18.359
<v Speaker 1>day by day, case by case. And what does the benchmark, Well,

0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:19.880
<v Speaker 1>not as a benchmark, And what I mean by that

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.279
<v Speaker 1>is we don't know the exact surroundings of what this

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 1>patient did when they came in and these embryos were destroyed.

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:32.320
<v Speaker 1>If this patient planned and maliciously broke in to open

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:36.600
<v Speaker 1>the freezer with the sole intention of destroying these embryos,

0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 1>then one hundred percent that person should be held accountable.

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 1>But if there has been some sort of a mistake

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:43.839
<v Speaker 1>or somebody has decided they no longer want to use

0:48:43.840 --> 0:48:47.560
<v Speaker 1>the embryo, how are those two things related? How are

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:51.239
<v Speaker 1>those two things connected? But now they are exactly This

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:55.879
<v Speaker 1>is why it should be a case by case situation. Well,

0:48:55.880 --> 0:49:01.280
<v Speaker 1>it's time for accidentally unfiltered your most embarrassing story out favorite.

0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.799
<v Speaker 1>I have one today that relates very much to you, Laura.

0:49:06.080 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 3>Perfect has it got something to do with feet? I

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:10.360
<v Speaker 3>actually think wrote it in it sounds like you're read it.

0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:11.960
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm gonna be offended now now that

0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 2>you've said that, I will be offended.

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:17.759
<v Speaker 3>I recently had some delightful hemorrhoids mom life, and when

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:19.520
<v Speaker 3>getting ready forfended.

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Scene and when getting ready for work one day, I

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:26.680
<v Speaker 1>took a close up photo of my anus so I

0:49:26.719 --> 0:49:30.719
<v Speaker 1>could look at them properly. I then went about my

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:33.520
<v Speaker 1>day and was at a lovely work lunch catching up

0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:36.160
<v Speaker 1>with an old colleague who asked to see a photo

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.440
<v Speaker 1>of my daughter because it had been a while. Happily,

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I opened my camera role when she sat next to me,

0:49:41.360 --> 0:49:44.480
<v Speaker 1>staring at my screen, right in all its glory, at

0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:47.280
<v Speaker 1>a close photo of my hemorrhoids on my asshole.

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:52.839
<v Speaker 3>I quickly quickly scrolled past it. I know she saw

0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 3>my asshole. She didn't say anything, but you know that

0:49:57.000 --> 0:49:57.719
<v Speaker 3>moment where you're like.

0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:00.040
<v Speaker 1>We all know, you all know that, we just I

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:01.880
<v Speaker 1>saw what's on the screen, But you know how you like,

0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:03.240
<v Speaker 1>let's just pretend that didn't happen.

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:06.760
<v Speaker 3>N I think in that moment, you admit it. Sorry, Sorry,

0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:09.000
<v Speaker 3>that is that a hemorrhoid. No, were we going to say, no,

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:09.399
<v Speaker 3>you don't.

0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean the person who sees it doesn't the person

0:50:11.000 --> 0:50:12.600
<v Speaker 2>who goes, oh my god, I'm so sorry.

0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 3>I take your photos of my hemorrhoids. Scroll on, scroll on. No, No,

0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:19.200
<v Speaker 3>you don't need to sit in that. That was my doughnut.

0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Sorry about that.

0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:23.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to sit That's I don't know what

0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:26.200
<v Speaker 1>you say, but I don't think you do an explanation

0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:28.279
<v Speaker 1>of the artwork.

0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:29.680
<v Speaker 3>That you just showed her. Do you know why?

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:33.799
<v Speaker 2>Because I feel like, now that I've unleashed my my Yeah,

0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:36.120
<v Speaker 2>now that I've unleashed the conversation about my labor, I

0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:38.680
<v Speaker 2>feel like these the types of accilent filters we're going

0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 2>to get.

0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:40.799
<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, I have one more Today.

0:50:40.840 --> 0:50:42.360
<v Speaker 2>It was my birthday, so while I was at the

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:44.960
<v Speaker 2>local shopping center having a copy with my sister, I

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 2>decided to treat myself to a chicky little massage. Unfortunately

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:51.840
<v Speaker 2>for me and my masseuse, this was a spur of

0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:54.239
<v Speaker 2>the moment decision, and that morning I had put on

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:58.440
<v Speaker 2>my oldest, rattiest G string with very minimal support if

0:50:58.480 --> 0:50:59.160
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean.

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:01.279
<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm wearing one right now I know.

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.560
<v Speaker 2>As we are about halfway through the massage, the massuf

0:51:04.880 --> 0:51:08.200
<v Speaker 2>moves down and massages my legs and as she goes

0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 2>to pop my knee out to the side, well, something.

0:51:10.960 --> 0:51:13.800
<v Speaker 3>Else popped out too. It was my right laber.

0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 2>The next twenty minutes were the most awkward of my

0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:19.879
<v Speaker 2>entire life, as I'm sure that she saw more than

0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:20.719
<v Speaker 2>she bargained for.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, Okay, I have a question. It's fine, no, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is my question.

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<v Speaker 3>And I really mean it.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do all our boundaries and sensibilities go out the

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<v Speaker 1>window when you're getting a massage?

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<v Speaker 3>And what I mean by that is, I mean she

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know it on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>No, But what I mean by that is, if you

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<v Speaker 1>went to the beach, listen, because I do it. I

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<v Speaker 1>do this when you go to the beach or something.

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<v Speaker 1>If you whatever, if you cross your legs and your

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<v Speaker 1>labyer came out, you're gonna put it back in.

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<v Speaker 3>When you get a massage.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this feeling that happens where you feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>can't like correct yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>So like you know, when you're getting a message and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna have to help you. If my laby is

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<v Speaker 3>laying out on the table, I'm gonna pop it back in.

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<v Speaker 1>No listen, you know when you get a message, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>laying on my back now for those that can't see,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how. And then they'll put your leg into

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<v Speaker 1>like a frog position, and sometimes like I'll do your

0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:09.680
<v Speaker 1>thigh if your flat pops out for some reason, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's.

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit there right, Like you know it's a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit. You don't want to attention to it, but

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<v Speaker 3>you don't. You just like, but well, nothing I can do,

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:18.080
<v Speaker 3>no there is, but you choose not to. You choose

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<v Speaker 3>just to let it. Why do we do that instead

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<v Speaker 3>of just being like, oh sorry, I'll just put put

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<v Speaker 3>that back in, Like why do we just sit there

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:26.840
<v Speaker 3>and feel like we can't because you don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>do attention to it. It's there, the flaps out, like

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<v Speaker 3>the attention is drawn to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's the same thing as like you just showed

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<v Speaker 2>a photo of your hemorrhoids to a person and you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to draw attention to it, so you scrolled

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<v Speaker 2>on past and pretending like it's the pretending like nothing happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, anyway, let's.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about suck and sweet before we get our asses

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<v Speaker 2>out of here. My suck for this week? Is that

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<v Speaker 2>Matt this morning hasn't happened yet. Well, I mean it

0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:51.959
<v Speaker 2>kind of has happened, but the effects of it hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>happened yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Matt has gone to Vegas. Oh, really must be nice.

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:56.959
<v Speaker 3>He's gone to Vegas for ten days.

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<v Speaker 2>He's working with KO, which is a sporting channel, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's over there for the footy.

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<v Speaker 3>So must be real nice. How do you guys do

0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:04.640
<v Speaker 3>this division?

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what I found out? I found this

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<v Speaker 2>out on Sunday just by accident. He mentioned it in

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:12.279
<v Speaker 2>front of me. So he's been employed to go over

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<v Speaker 2>there as part of Two Doting Dads. Right, so the

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:17.120
<v Speaker 2>podcast Two Doting Dads, two dads who are doting on

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<v Speaker 2>their children.

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<v Speaker 3>You know that's the whole premise of it. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So Ko said, come to Vegas. You can bring your kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, Nah, they don't want to come to Vegas.

0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:31.719
<v Speaker 2>That yes, they do, Matt, they want to go to Vegas.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you seen Miley on a blackjack table? That girl

0:53:35.800 --> 0:53:38.840
<v Speaker 3>knows what's up? Made me some money? Mom, the kids

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<v Speaker 3>want to go to Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>Mama wants the kids to go to Vegas anyway. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually don't want them to go to Vegas, but

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<v Speaker 2>it do. It was an option.

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<v Speaker 3>Vegas is where dreams are made. In Vegas. Mommy could

0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:49.600
<v Speaker 3>have been on our own for ten days. Well, he

0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:52.360
<v Speaker 3>conveniently left that little piece of information. Yeah, but he is.

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<v Speaker 3>So he comes back.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes to Vegas for ten days, comes back for five,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he is taking the kids around holidays.

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<v Speaker 3>He's taking them away on p and O Cruz with

0:53:59.600 --> 0:54:01.359
<v Speaker 3>his mum. And you don't get that either. I don't

0:54:01.360 --> 0:54:03.200
<v Speaker 3>get to go on that one. I was like, can

0:54:03.239 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 3>you draw the short raw.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my suck and my sweet for the week is

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<v Speaker 2>that the weekend, once again, it was fucking great. Tailor

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<v Speaker 2>switched on Friday night was a real high, leaning into

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<v Speaker 2>the cringe, embracing all the things that are dorky and lame,

0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:21.799
<v Speaker 2>and normally people would laugh at you because you're like, oh,

0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:23.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna put my red lipstick on my cowboy boots

0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:25.520
<v Speaker 2>and glitter in my hair and I'm a thirty seven

0:54:25.600 --> 0:54:27.279
<v Speaker 2>year old mum and I don't care. It was so

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<v Speaker 2>dorky and fantastic that I loved every second of it.

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<v Speaker 1>My suck is so I stayed at a hotel over

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend, as I mentioned with my friend Shannon, but

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<v Speaker 1>I get my hallow Fresh delivered on a Sunday. That's

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes, and that's my food for the entire week.

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<v Speaker 1>And I had just bought all of Delilah's food, like

0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:49.080
<v Speaker 1>she has really fresh meats and stuff like that. Salmon, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>producer Keisha had Delilah because I was at the hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>So I went back to my house to get the

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<v Speaker 1>Hallowfresh from the hotel and put it in my fridge

0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:58.680
<v Speaker 1>because I was like, I can't leave Hallefresh on the

0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:01.279
<v Speaker 1>street for two days eight It'll be gone or it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be off if someone doesn't take it. So I went

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<v Speaker 1>home from the hotel, got the Halo Fresh, put in

0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:07.160
<v Speaker 1>the fridge, and then went back to the hotel. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Keisha dropped a Lilah home this morning and she's

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<v Speaker 1>actually it was the funniest message. Hey, Bridge, did you

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<v Speaker 1>mean to leave your fridge open and off? No, Keisha,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not mean to leave my fridge to open

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<v Speaker 1>and the power off as a full fridge.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, no, Kisha, I didn't mean that. Why

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<v Speaker 3>she goes, well, it's opening.

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<v Speaker 1>Off and anyway, my entire fridge and freezer is off

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm talking.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never had a fridge so full of food. How

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<v Speaker 3>full is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Produced kiture, It's so full. Everything everything is off.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really sad. It's the biggest suck.

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<v Speaker 2>And my sweet day Swift, you really need to wash

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<v Speaker 2>the glitter off your face.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's highlighter. I might have gone too heavy.

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