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Speaker 1: Washa Gutensburg is here because he's, apart from being on

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Speaker 1: the Bachelor, of course, is also nominated for the Gold

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Speaker 1: Logi and I want him to be a part of

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Speaker 1: our competition. I'll tell you about that just a moment.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you. And also apart from the Gold Logi,

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Speaker 1: he's also a mental health advocate and he's written a

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Speaker 1: very personal book called Back After the Break, where he

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Speaker 1: talks about his dealings with anxiety.

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Speaker 2: How are you, buddy, I'm okay, Thank you, Phil, Congratulations,

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Speaker 2: thanks man.

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Speaker 1: Who are you up against?

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Speaker 2: I am the guy that at his first European World

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Speaker 2: Youth Championships looked across at the starting box and when

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Speaker 2: I'm really good, it's my heart remeter sprints. There's that guy,

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Speaker 2: oh as Usain bolt A, Shan mccauliffe, Julian Morris and

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Speaker 2: Hamish Blake.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me throw this into the equation. If you're

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Speaker 1: going to use a racing one Stephen Bradbury, mate, slip

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Speaker 1: on the red carpet.

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Speaker 2: Next thing you know, you walking up with the gong

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Speaker 2: or publicly voted.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make any difference. Things could change.

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Speaker 2: There was a time where I couldn't get employed until

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Speaker 2: vision in Australia, like literally just over ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: And to go from that to this is I don't know,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of proof that, Yeah, if you listen to

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Speaker 2: your doctor and you do what they tell you so much,

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Speaker 2: things might actually work out.

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Speaker 1: Do you also highlight anxiety for those of us that

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Speaker 1: suffer from anxiety? And I've suffered from anxiety And it

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Speaker 1: got to the stage where and I saw Whipper from

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Speaker 1: Fitzing and Whipper talking the other day about how he

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Speaker 1: was crying for no apparent reason. And I did that once.

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Speaker 1: By a time I got so crippled by anxiety that

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Speaker 1: I walked away from my career because I couldn't deal

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Speaker 1: with that.

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Speaker 2: And with me both I really relate to that. What's

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Speaker 2: for me what's anxiety? Anxiety is I have no control

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Speaker 2: over a situation. What am I more in control than

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Speaker 2: what I'm on stage? What am I more in control

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Speaker 2: than when I'm on radio or on television? I am

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Speaker 2: the one in charge of who speaks. When I know

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Speaker 2: exactly what's going to happen, I know what song is

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Speaker 2: going to play, I can say, Yester, no, I'm decided.

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Speaker 2: I mean complete control what I'm on air, everything is perfect.

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Speaker 1: Exactly because that's your on air presence. But forget about Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to then go back and second and third

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Speaker 1: guess every single thing. I'm even get so bad where

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Speaker 1: I was hello to someone and then question whether or

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Speaker 1: not my hello was misinterpreted, And it takes a long

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Speaker 1: time to get through that. And it's so important that

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Speaker 1: you highlight and thank you so much for doing this,

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Speaker 1: the importance of anxiety in society because people have it

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Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with you by having it, and

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Speaker 1: you can overcome it.

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Speaker 2: You didn't ask for it, but it happens. Understand that

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Speaker 2: it's going to be there for a while, but it's

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Speaker 2: going to go away if as long as you treat

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Speaker 2: it like that and not like there's something fundamentally wrong

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Speaker 2: with who I am. Isn't. It's just the way that

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Speaker 2: your brain works and is. But you got to take

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Speaker 2: responsibility for it, because not taking responsibility for it, it kind

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Speaker 2: of spins out of control.

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Speaker 1: And you can't live your life like that old show.

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Speaker 1: You cannot be a prisoner to your own thoughts.

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Speaker 2: And there's the thing you're worth more than that the

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Speaker 2: people around you love you and getting help understanding you

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Speaker 2: need help is not a weak thing. If you don't

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Speaker 2: have the right tools to deal with the problem, you

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Speaker 2: aren't going to fix it.

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Speaker 1: And I have this saying as well, I've had some

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Speaker 1: really terrible things in my life and some of them

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Speaker 1: actually happen so easy to invest in.

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Speaker 2: Oh, bro, mate's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Good on you for doing that. Go the gold Logomi.

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Speaker 2: Look it's a publically voted thing.

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Speaker 1: I voted for you.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Phil