1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Now. Yesterday was the sixth day of Keith Kiranoa's Supreme 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Court murder trial, with the now twenty year old man 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: taking the stand. Mister Kiranoa told the court he was 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: about to leave the BWS store when he saw bottle 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: shop worker Declan Lavity lunge at him with a knife, 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: saying that he feared for his life. Mister Kiranoa has 7 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: pleaded not guilty to murder, with his lawyers arguing he 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: acted in self defense when he stabbed mister Lavity several 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: times in March last year. Now joining us on the line, 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: nine News journalist Ebanie Raymond, Good morning to you, Ebane. 11 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 2: Good morning Katie. How are you going? 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: Not too bad now, Ebanie? What more can you tell 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,639 Speaker 1: us about the altercation between Keith Kiranoa and Declan Lavity. 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: Yes, as you mentioned Keith karen Nua, who could the 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: stand yesterday, he was asked lots of questions from both 16 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: prosecution and defense. Now, Katie, this is Keith Keren is 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: evident and what he has told the jury claims that 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: he was defending himself during the altercation because he says 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: that Lavity was coming at him with a knife. And 20 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: that he saw Lavity trying to stab at his cousin. Now, 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: Karennua has told the jury and claims that he did 22 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 2: not want to kill Lavity. He could really feel the 23 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: emotions from both sides of the court room yesterday with 24 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: both Karanua and Lavity's families sitting in there as he 25 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: gave his evidence. 26 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: So Ebane tell us, you know in that evidence it 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: was provided yesterday, what does he say happened in the 28 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: lead up to that altercation. 29 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what we've heard from Keith Karennua is that 30 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 2: he said he was waiting for his cousin to buy 31 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: alcohol and he said that he started getting to bit 32 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 2: agitated and angry because his cousin was taking a while 33 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,919 Speaker 2: in store. He says he then went into the store 34 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 2: and that he got into an argument with Lavity, And 35 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: the jury has heard from a couple of previous witnesses 36 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: that the altercation escalated between them due to Lavity telling 37 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: Karaenua that he couldn't be in the store without shoes on. 38 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 2: As we know, the BWS has a no shoes, no shirt, 39 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 2: no service policy in place. 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: And can you explain the evidence about mister Lavity suggesting 41 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: mister kiranoa come back at ten pm. Yeah, So what 42 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: we said. 43 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: From Karennua is that he claims that during the argument 44 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: between them, that Labberty told him to come back to 45 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 2: the bottleshop at ten pm after his shift. Karenua says 46 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: that this was because Labberty wanted to fight him. He 47 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: told the jury that Labberty telling him this got him 48 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: fired up. As we mentioned earlier, we've heard he was 49 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: always already feeling it, be agitated and to be angry 50 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: before he got into the store. So yeah, he was 51 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 2: quite heavily questioned on that by the prosecution yesterday. 52 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: Ebany, what did the jury learn yesterday about the knife 53 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: that mister Kiranua had and the reasons why he'd grabbed it. 54 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: So, the jury have learned that the knife was a 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: fishing knife that was about twenty to twenty five centimeters long. 56 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: He's told the jury that he grabbed this knife because 57 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: he just wanted to scare Lavity. He's told the jury 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: that he didn't want to stab him. But as we know, 59 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: he stabbed Lavity in the chest and the stab wound 60 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: was over tens and to me its deep and fatal. 61 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: The jury has also heard that Karenda's knife has never 62 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 2: actually been recovered. 63 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: Wow, I was not aware of that. Yeah, yeah, Evanie 64 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: tell us, I understand. The jury also heard evidence that 65 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 1: mister Lavitie was running around after the stabbing. How was 66 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 1: this explained? 67 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this was explained to the jury by a 68 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: forensic phathologist. She actually examined Lavity's body after he died. 69 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: She explained to the jury that Lavity's ability to keep 70 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: moving after he was stabbed with this fatal stab wound, 71 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: that it was likely due to a fight or flight response, 72 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 2: which she explained it was like the body's natural response 73 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: after enduring something like this. 74 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, and look, I'm just being very careful 75 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: what I say. Obviously, usually i'd have a bit of 76 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: commentary around these things, but I want to make sure 77 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: that we're both very careful what we say. Now. Are 78 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: closing statements expected to begin today? 79 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 2: They are. 80 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 81 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: So, as we know, the trial was expected to run 82 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: for ten days, but we found out yesterday that Keith 83 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: Karannua was the final person to give evidence during his 84 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 2: own trial. So the prosecution and defense will be making 85 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: their closing submissions today before the jury begins deliberating their verdict. 86 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: And Ebanie, when will the jury likely go off to deliberate. 87 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: Is that sort of expected that it could happen today. 88 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I expect that they will start deliberating before lunch, 89 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: maybe early afternoon. Obviously it's a really big decision that 90 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 2: the jury have to make. It's uncertain how long they'll 91 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: take to come back with the verdict, so we'll have 92 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 2: to watch this space for that one. 93 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: Well, Ebanie, we really appreciate your time this morning and 94 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: have all throughout the trial. No doubt we will speak 95 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: to you again tomorrow morning or once that verdict is 96 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: indeed handed down. 97 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: Of course, thank you, thank. 98 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: You, thanks so much. We appreciate it.