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Speaker 2: Yesterday the Northern Territory News was reporting the new polling,

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Speaker 2: putting the two major parties virtually neck and neck for

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Speaker 2: the first time since Natasha Files's resignation last year caused

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Speaker 2: Labour's popularity to plummet in Well. If an election were

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Speaker 2: held today Territory Labor would reportedly hold government with twenty

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Speaker 2: nine point five percent of the primary vote, narrowly inching

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Speaker 2: ahead of the Country Liberal Party at twenty nine point

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Speaker 2: one percent. Now the paper reporting it's a troubling sign

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Speaker 2: for the opposition ahead of the August election, with independent

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Speaker 2: and minor party preferences also flowing to the Labor Party

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Speaker 2: by a significant margin. That's according to this ukom's survey

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Speaker 2: of one hundred voters in Darwin and Palmerston. It was

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Speaker 2: commissioned by the Environment Center of the Northern Territory. Now

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Speaker 2: the opposition leader Leafanocchiaro joins me in the studio.

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Speaker 3: Gore morning to you, Leah, Good morning Katie and to

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Speaker 3: your listeners.

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Speaker 1: Now, Leah, what do you make of this most recent polling.

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Speaker 3: Look, my job is to represent Territorians and put the

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Speaker 3: best policies forward, not be a political commentator. So for

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Speaker 3: us it's just every day is hard work. It's about

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Speaker 3: being out on the ground with Territorians, listening to what's

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Speaker 3: important to them and explaining to them that we do

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Speaker 3: have a plan to rebuild the territory, to reduce crime,

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Speaker 3: to restore our lifestyle, get our economy moving forward, and

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of hope for the future.

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Speaker 3: And there will be a lot of polling I imagine

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Speaker 3: being put out there between now and the election, But

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Speaker 3: what counts most is that the CLP team is out

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Speaker 3: there working hard, fighting for every vote that we can

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Speaker 3: change the territory for the better. And I urge every

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Speaker 3: Territorian you know this will be a tight contest. You

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Speaker 3: can't take your vote for granted. It's very important and

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Speaker 3: if you want to change the territory, we have to

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Speaker 3: change the government and vote CLP.

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Speaker 2: Leah, there does look as though there is quite a

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Speaker 2: few Territorians that are undecided at this point in time.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing as the leader of the opposition

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there will be a big segment of our community

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Speaker 3: who are still learning about their local candidates. Looking at

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Speaker 3: the CLP's policies going forward, and our pitch to those

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Speaker 3: people is very clear. You know, the territory of today

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Speaker 3: doesn't have to be the territory of tomorrow. We know

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Speaker 3: the territory can be safer, we know our economy can

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Speaker 3: under Labor, we've had a government for eight long years

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Speaker 2: I seem though, that evil Laula is getting more traction

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Speaker 1: When you sort of go leader to leda, are you

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Speaker 3: Look, Our concern is about the direction of the territory,

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Speaker 3: are one hundred and ninety nine thousand calls to our

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Speaker 2: Look. Even on the weekend, you know, we were still

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Speaker 2: stolen by youths who'd held up to elderly Territorians inside

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Speaker 2: Territory Police nabbed them, but it was a shocking situation.

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Speaker 2: What can you do if elected, really to prevent this

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Speaker 3: There's lots that can be done, and that's why Territorians

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Speaker 3: their CLP. I have been very clear if we win

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Speaker 3: the year is out, Katie, we will have passed ram

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Speaker 1: The Police Minister joined us on the show this morning.

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Speaker 2: He said that there's going to be sixty four more graduates,

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Speaker 2: well police graduates on Friday, So sixty four more officers.

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Speaker 1: Hitting the streets. Surely that's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: Oh more police is always a good thing. What's really sad,

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Speaker 3: and what labor don't talk about though, is how many

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Speaker 3: that's something I've been talking about for years and years, Katie.

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Speaker 3: We've got to better support our police. Their hands are tied.

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Speaker 3: We have a situation where our laws are so bad

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Speaker 3: that's why our plan for corrections and a safer community

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that your message on crime and

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Speaker 2: that your message as the leader of the COLP isn't

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Speaker 1: If we go by the most recent.

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Speaker 3: Polls, well, I think people are still undecided. It's sixty

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Speaker 3: For others, they you know, they may still be you know,

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Speaker 3: making their decision based on a range of factors. They

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Speaker 3: or that school attendance has been worse under Labor. But

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Speaker 3: what we've got is a Labor government that's been in

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Speaker 2: Look, I want to move along because we know that

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Speaker 2: the Australian newspaper is this morning reporting in an exclusive

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Speaker 2: by Ellie Dudley that the Australian Sorry, the alban Easy

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Speaker 2: The Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Bernie on Monday said that

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Speaker 2: Territories Attorney General and Deputy Chief Minister, Chancey Paike, what

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Speaker 3: Well, I just think everyone's been asleep at the wheel

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Speaker 3: seems like something that should have happened six to twelve

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Speaker 3: We know that our court system is under great strain.

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Speaker 3: When you have unrepresented people going to court, for your

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Speaker 3: This is a government funded organization and they've done absolutely

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Speaker 2: I mean, do they need to do more? Does Nuja

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Speaker 3: Oh well, there's no question. But this is even bigger

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Speaker 1: What do you think that Chancey Paike should do in

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Speaker 3: Well, there needs to be some form of investigation or inquiry.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday we spoke to Mission Australia who are set to

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Speaker 1: New women's prison.

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Speaker 2: So Mission Australia's contract as we know for residential rehabilitation

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Speaker 1: But what do you reckon this means?

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't believe for a second there's going to

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Speaker 3: violence is one of the biggest issues the territory faces.

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Speaker 3: And again Evil Laula as Infrastructure Minister four years Chancy

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Speaker 3: Paike her Deputy Attorney General, Corrections Minister, they have failed

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Speaker 3: badly retrofitted prison for women. It's a disaster, Beth.

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Speaker 1: Elected, and what are you going to be doing to

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Speaker 1: try and boost those rehabilitation service.

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Speaker 3: We want those rehabilitation services to stay. They are doing

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Speaker 3: our plan for corrections, we've got compulsory alcohol, drug and

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Speaker 3: a respite. So our plan is very different. Will Labor

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Speaker 2: last week, he's emailed again this morning in fact, wanting

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Speaker 2: to know if you support Peter Dutton's nuclear policy.

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Speaker 3: So this is a it's a big conversation. I think

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Speaker 3: So we don't support nuclear in the territory. We are

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's a conversation to be had, and

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Speaker 3: the federal Liberals are starting that conversation.

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Speaker 1: What about a dump? Could we end up with a

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Speaker 3: Not on my watch, Katie.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you that it's going to be hard though, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like you've got your federal the federal leader

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: They've been really clear about where those sites are and

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Speaker 3: about energy security. We've been very clear that for the territory,

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Speaker 3: gas is our future. We rely on gas now we

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Speaker 1: So that's our focus.

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Speaker 2: Leah fan Occhiaro, we are going to have to leave

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Speaker 2: it there. Thank you as always for your time this morning.

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Speaker 3: Take care everyone. Thank you,