1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: And we are going to continue on because we've got 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: two more Cyclone Tracy survivors to catch up with this hour, 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: and I've my next guest was just nine years old 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: when Cyclone Tracy hit Darwin and his family had just 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: moved to Nakara. Rod Greg, who is also the Remembering 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,279 Speaker 1: Cyclone also on the Remembering Cyclone Tracy Committee, joins me 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: on the line. 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: Get a Rod Morning, Katie. 9 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for your time this morning. Rod, tell 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: me what you remember from Christmas Eve in nineteen seventy 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: four and who you were with at that point. 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: Sure, well, it was most of December was pretty wet 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: because we've heard Cyclones Delma come through a couple of 14 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: weeks beforehand, so we were a little bit blase about 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: when we heard that Tracy was following a similar path. 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: And I can remember that my brother, my twin brother 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: and I we were downstairs just playing around Christmas Eve 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 2: and it started to the weather started to get really 19 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: really blush three the rain started to pour down quite heavily, 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 2: and so we we thought, oh, well, tomorrow's Christmas, we 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 2: better get ready. And so we were just going about. 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: We had tea with mum and dad and my brother 23 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: and sister were up as well, So we were having 24 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: a first family Christmas, you know, for a couple of years. 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 2: So we were just kind of getting ready for it. 26 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: And so at what point did you realize, you know, 27 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: that things were sort of starting to go turn bad. 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: Well, I can remember quite late on Christmas Eve, Dad said, look, 29 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: it's about time that we went to bed because Sander's 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: coming tomorrow. So we kind of did that because hey, 31 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: it was Christmas the next day. But I remember that 32 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: Dad had got some form work and some wood and 33 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: he had fashioned the structure around the double flighting doors 34 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: because the rain was so heavy that they were actually buckling, 35 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 2: and so Mum and Dad and some neighbors from next 36 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: door they are actually folding it up, and so we thought, oh, 37 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: well that's you know, we kind of thought Mum and 38 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: Dad had got it sorted because they are your parents. 39 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: And so my brother and I toddled off to bed 40 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 2: because you know, we wanted to be in bed when 41 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 2: Standad visited. 42 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: And so you went to bed. Did you what happened next? 43 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know how long we were asleep for. 44 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 2: I do remember Dad. 45 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: I remember, Yeah, you're right, mate. 46 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: I remember Dad coming into the bedroom and so, hey, fellers, 47 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 2: this is getting pretty serious, so it's we'd better go. 48 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 49 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: So the rain was still and the wind was was 50 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: hitting the roof, and one of the last things I 51 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: remember leaving our bedroom was that the corner of the 52 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 2: room started to lift, started to peel off. So we 53 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 2: walked past the Christmas tree and Dad said, grab as 54 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: many presents as you can. So around one o'clock, I 55 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: think it was Mum and Dad had made the decision 56 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: that we better evacuate because it wasn't getting any In fact, 57 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: it was getting stronger. So we were in an elevated 58 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: house on stilts, and so there were seven of us. 59 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: Made our way down the backstairs, and in those days, 60 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 2: the bottom consisted of a concrete slab and a laundry, 61 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: a little laundry square laundry that that was pretty much 62 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: what the downstairs looked like. So we got to there 63 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: and I remember your previous caller said that the lightning 64 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: was so it turned nighteen to day and I can 65 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: recall just everything was so brilliantly bright. So Dad said, oh, 66 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: we better get in the car. So we he tried 67 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 2: to start the car because in the car we were 68 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 2: only less than a kilometer away from the car a 69 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: primary school. So we said, well, we better try and 70 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: get there anyway. Dad couldn't start the car, so we thought, 71 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: oh well we better, we better get in the car. 72 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 2: And so all seven of us were in the car 73 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 2: and we my brother and I, we were in the 74 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: back sort of part of the station wagon, and we 75 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: were we didn't look up for the whole night. We 76 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: sort of crafts around. My brother and sister were in 77 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: the middle seats, and mom and Dad were in the front. 78 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: And at some stage a piece of the piece of 79 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 2: another house or a piece of wrought iron had hit 80 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: the back of the car and smashed and had smashed 81 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: all the back of the car. So my brother and 82 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: I went into the middle of the car where my 83 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: brother and sister was, and I can recall that we 84 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: spent the rest of the night sort of in the car, 85 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: and the wad the roofing iron had started to wrap 86 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 2: around all of the pillars downstairs, and it kind of 87 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: gave us a bit of a pocket because you think 88 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: of the you think of, you know, like boil getting 89 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 2: wrapped around a pole. And so we we did, and 90 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: the eye we did hear the eye go over. It 91 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: was incredibly calm, and it was still pitched black, and 92 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden there was nothing. It 93 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: was an eerie sound, and we didn't sort of venture 94 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: out of the car because we'd heard that. You know, 95 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: if you if you, if it all goes calm, then 96 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 2: you know you're in the middle of it. Well then 97 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: a little while later, the second part or the second 98 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: half of the cyclone traveled over the top of us, 99 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 2: and I just the sound that the sounds that will 100 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: resonate with me is just the sound of wrought iron 101 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: being dragged along streets and just stuff like that. 102 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: Oh mate, stuff that you would never in your life 103 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: think that you're really going to hear it happen, and. 104 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: Should you you know, no, So we I remember dawn 105 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: on Christmas morning, it was very gray and there was 106 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: there was just we kind of Dad gave us to 107 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: the all clear, so we ventured out under the out 108 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: some under our house. And the invertible thing was that 109 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: not long after we had got into the car, we 110 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 2: heard the window the doors that Mum and Dad had 111 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: been holding its bank's blood. 112 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: Oh oh my, it sounds like it was so yeah, Well, 113 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 3: it pushed the whole house onto the dairs that we 114 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 3: ten minutes earlier. 115 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: Had been My goodness. 116 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 2: Oh, the whole house was. The whole house had been 117 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 2: blown sort of if you know, when the car is, 118 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: it was going to blown towards towards Casarina. Like at 119 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 2: that stage there was a big vacant block. There was 120 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 2: a big vacant block between us and Casina, and on 121 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: Christmas morning we could see it for the first time 122 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 2: because every single tree had been stripped of branches. There 123 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: was nothing, and so we looked around as far as 124 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: the I could see. There was total devastation. And the 125 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: irony was that Dad was able to start the car 126 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: first first off in the morning, and we sort of 127 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: I don't know how long it took us, to be honest, 128 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: because that like pretty much after that was a bit 129 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: of a blur, but we did manage our We spent 130 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: Christmas night at NCAA and the car was due to 131 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: be open with you to open in January seventy five. 132 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: And I remember that my brother and I we'd made 133 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: a cubby house in one of the classrooms and we 134 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: were sort of there for a couple of times. We 135 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: were there for a couple of nights and about three 136 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: days later. The only clothes that we had were our 137 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: Christmas clothes. So Dad watched us in a in a 138 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: one of those big garbage bins full of rain water, 139 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: and because Dad worked for TAA, he was able to 140 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: get us onto We were evacuated out about three days 141 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: because no, you know, children and the like, we're not 142 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: allowed to be there until we're allowed to come back until, 143 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: you know. So what Dad had done in the meantime, 144 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: so he sent us off to live with his sister, 145 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: so my aunt and so we were there for six 146 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 2: months in New South Wales. And in that time Dad 147 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 2: had sort of created a downstairs Liverpool space. There was 148 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: a caravan underneath the house where the laundry was became 149 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 2: our shower and we lived sort of under the house 150 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: on top that used to where the house used to be. 151 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: Dad had put ta to water proof at all. So 152 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: we got back. We got back about July seventy five, 153 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: and so yeah, that's that's our story. 154 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: And I think it's incredible. I mean, like hearing, you know, 155 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: hearing what your family endured. And then one of the 156 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: other things that struck me, you know, with the conversations 157 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: that I've had with some of the conversations that I've 158 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: had is also, you know what parents have had to 159 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: had to do throughout that time to try to keep 160 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: their kids safe. You know what parents have had to 161 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: try and say to their kids to try to reassure 162 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: them that things were going to be okay at a 163 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: time when they had no idea where the things were 164 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: going to be okay. It must have been so scared 165 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: for their own lives, let alone trying to care for 166 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: other people around you. 167 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, to this day, you know, Dad's 168 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: decision saved our whole family because we wouldn't have survived 169 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: had we been on the stairs when the whole top 170 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: of the house exploded. So yeah, I totally understand. It's 171 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 2: not until you become a parent that you have to 172 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: sometimes make such decisions. And ultimately it was the right 173 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: decision because you know, fifty years later, all of the 174 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: family that that were there that night apartment, Mum and 175 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: Dad have since passed. But we're going to go and 176 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: to celebrate fifty years and be part of the celebrations. 177 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: I think a bit of a healing process has been 178 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 2: me being on this committee. We've worked really tirelessly and 179 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: all of the all of the You know, people don't 180 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: know about the amount of work that has done behind 181 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: the scenes, and we're about to it's going to bear 182 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 2: fruit in a couple of days. 183 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: Time, and it's going to be such an important occasion 184 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: for so many people. Rod, how are you sort of 185 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: feeling as we as we edge closer to Christmas Day? 186 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: I know, I spoke to the Brown sisters who lost 187 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: their little sister in cyclone, Tracy, just yesterday, and they 188 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: said that they do feel as though it's you know, 189 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: it's it's almost going to be a bit of a 190 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 1: cathartic experience for them, you know, on Christmas Day when 191 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: they are there at each point. 192 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: Well, the fact that everyone it's very difficult, Katie, to 193 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 2: talk to people about our experiences that haven't been there, 194 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: haven't been through it. You can you know, wives, girlfriends, 195 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: you know that they obviously support us one hundred percent. 196 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: And I think being on the Monday night when we 197 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: are together for the welcoming reunion sort of thing, everyone 198 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: in that room will share some incredible we all know. 199 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: We don't need to say, oh, what did you do? 200 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: We all know everyone that was there was a survivor, 201 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 2: and I think that's going to be a bit of 202 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 2: a healing You know that that's going to be a 203 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 2: healing process as well, because a lot of us, myself included, 204 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: that we suffer badly from survivors guilt. It's just an 205 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: amazing You can't you can't explain it to someone that 206 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 2: that hasn't been through it. 207 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: Rod. I really appreciate you speaking to me this morning, mate. 208 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: I know it's not an easy thing to do. I 209 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: just think it's so very important for you know, for 210 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: everybody to hear your story, to hear other Cyclone Tracy 211 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: survivors stories, because it's you know, it's it is our history. 212 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: It is the fabric of Darwin and what has created 213 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,319 Speaker 1: Darwin and makes Darwin the place that. 214 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: It is certainly does. And like I said, we're driving 215 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: up from Catherine tomorrow morning, and my brother and sisters 216 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: are flying in from various parts of Australia, So beginning 217 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 2: tomorrow night, and we're all together for Sunday night, ready 218 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: for certainly Monday and of course Wednesday, Wednesday morning. 219 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: Oh it'll be a tough time, but what a beautiful 220 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 1: time to be with all your family and friends as well. 221 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 2: Hey, it will be Kadiene, We're looking forward to just 222 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 2: that camaraderie with and also just being together at family 223 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 2: at Christmas time. You know, we're all sharing something that 224 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: we all survived. 225 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: Oh Rod, thank you so much for having a chat 226 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: with me this morning. I really really appreciate it. It's 227 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: been great speaking to you. Have a really nice Christmas, 228 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: and all the best over the coming days over what 229 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: I know will be a difficult time, but also a 230 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 1: really nice time to reconnect with so many. 231 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 2: Thank you, Codor appreciate it. 232 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 1: Thanks mate, very much, appreciate your time today.