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Speaker 2: Just like that, we are back. Feels good to be home.
Speaker 3: We feel comfortable in the podcast space. It's unbridled time
Speaker 3: to at so many listeners were killing it as per usual,
Speaker 3: no surprises here today we're talking about therapy, though, I
Speaker 3: feel as though my understanding of it and I appreciation
Speaker 3: for ebbs and flows as someone who is very indoctrinated
Speaker 3: and maybe even a bit like radicalized by the self
Speaker 3: development space, I think it's a very slippery slope to
Speaker 3: convince people that they're forever working progress, because like you're
Speaker 3: always going to be assuming that how you are now
Speaker 3: is not good enough, and realistically most of you will
Speaker 3: never change. So at the very least you should experience
Speaker 3: some sense of comfort with who you are now in
Speaker 3: hopes that maybe you might get better.
Speaker 2: But now is also good. Skip the books, scat the
Speaker 2: box just is life.
Speaker 3: So for me, is gonna tell us how to break
Speaker 3: up with the therapists. She's been to quite a few,
Speaker 3: as she reveals, Oh, plot twists.
Speaker 4: It's giving unstable, just joking.
Speaker 3: Flex and Fos, I have been four weeks wanting to
Speaker 3: read craft and unpack my house. It's been months and like,
Speaker 3: of course there's not boxes everywhere, but the finishing touches,
Speaker 3: the art on the wall, that's not really happened. So
Speaker 3: like I feel like I've been a bit of a
Speaker 3: weird mood. But as always, the Internet delivers with interesting facts.
Speaker 3: Have you or have you not heard of the strikesand effect?
Speaker 4: I have?
Speaker 2: But i'll hear here, get out here here?
Speaker 5: What is it?
Speaker 2: Then don't I'll do it.
Speaker 3: It's a phenomenon that occurs when an attempt to hide, remove,
Speaker 3: or sense information has the unintended consequence of increasing awareness
Speaker 3: of that information. For example, let's say someone's making a
Speaker 3: video online they say, don't look at my pimple. Okay,
Speaker 3: so now I'm looking. Or even a people patch, I'm
Speaker 3: paying attention. Maybe you wear shapewear to appear smaller, but
Speaker 3: then it's created a weird role in your thigh.
Speaker 2: Now I'm staring at it.
Speaker 3: It all happens every now and then, but the fact
Speaker 3: that it was created or this term was conceived when
Speaker 3: Barbara Streisand was trying to remove an image of her
Speaker 3: house off the Internet because she wanted privacy, and by
Speaker 3: speaking about it drew more attention to the house, people
Speaker 3: try to find it. You know how it goes.
Speaker 2: I feel for it. So what is the moral of
Speaker 2: the story.
Speaker 3: If you don't want someone to notice what you're doing,
Speaker 3: don't mention it.
Speaker 4: I read about this or I saw this in the
Speaker 4: Reputation Rebuild the Inside program on Binge and a lawyer
Speaker 4: was saying, how so many people do defamation cases, but
Speaker 4: it backfires because all your stuff gets drenched up. So
Speaker 4: if you are worried about your reputation being slandered, just
Speaker 4: forget about.
Speaker 2: Just leave, don't do the lead. Damage is done. The
Speaker 2: only person that wins are the lawyers. Yeah, and that
Speaker 2: fee is high, behigh.
Speaker 4: Flex and Frooms Now, I don't often have a bone
Speaker 4: to pick.
Speaker 2: That's a lie, but we'll continue this week.
Speaker 4: I've been particularly feisty, like a chihuahua that's going a
Speaker 4: little bit psycho okay, okay, jumping around, yapping around the
Speaker 4: other day, I get a PayPal notification twelve dollars left
Speaker 4: your account. I go, what the hell is that about? Because,
Speaker 4: as you know, I don't spend money on men exactly.
Speaker 4: It's transactions. There should be no outgoing transactions from Frooms's account.
Speaker 2: Twelve dollars.
Speaker 4: Ago, what's that click? In New York Times subscription? Now
Speaker 4: ard listeners?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Word, I want to say.
Speaker 3: June through me expressed a bit of a gripe that
Speaker 3: she had trying to cancel her New York Time subscription.
Speaker 3: Let's cut to it now, you trying to unsubscribe from
Speaker 3: the New York Times. Nightmare, nightmarish. So you said that
Speaker 3: you wanted to click a button and they had advised
Speaker 3: you to talk to a bot.
Speaker 4: They said, call, Oh, call, They're in the USA. Yes,
Speaker 4: So I get the chatbot.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: Chatbot has a name, clearly a bot, and saying I
Speaker 4: want to cancel. Are you sure I want to cancel?
Speaker 4: We can give you fifty percent off. I want to cancel.
Speaker 4: You are making this too difficult for me.
Speaker 2: Stop.
Speaker 3: So, as you've heard, now through Me aka Karen is upset,
Speaker 3: but fortunately was able to cancel her New York Times subscription.
Speaker 3: So why in September is she getting a notification for
Speaker 3: a transaction.
Speaker 2: Of twelve dollars for a subscription? She does not have.
Speaker 4: Riddle meat this. Now, if you cast your mind back,
Speaker 4: you know that the process of canceling your New York
Speaker 4: Times subscription is not easier, straightforward.
Speaker 2: You can't hear mail. I heard it. Oh yeah, it's.
Speaker 4: Difficult as existing in this studio alongside flex.
Speaker 2: Sorry May, Sorry.
Speaker 4: So again I have to go to the chatbots. And
Speaker 4: I don't want to be mean. I'm over being mean
Speaker 4: in Era. I'm ready to be nice. And I say, hey,
Speaker 4: so I canceled my subscription back in May, and yet
Speaker 4: I've been charged for s Timber in August. What's going on?
Speaker 4: Please cancel asap. Then I got to wait five minutes
Speaker 4: for them child. Then I go back and I say,
Speaker 4: they go, let me check the account. Another five minutes gone.
Speaker 4: I'm festering in bed. I need to get up, but
Speaker 4: I can't exit the browser. I can't and they say
Speaker 4: we need your order number. I can't exit the browser
Speaker 4: to look at the air or order number. I need
Speaker 4: you to take my word for it. You've got my account.
Speaker 4: We spoke about this last time. The issue is they
Speaker 4: didn't send me a transcript for the original conversation. And
Speaker 4: I have a theory. I think it's because I was
Speaker 4: how do I say an asshole stern? I was stern
Speaker 4: in a way that that person behind the computer, if
Speaker 4: it was a person or a bot, thought ef this be,
Speaker 4: I'm going to keep her signed up anyway, This person apologized,
Speaker 4: refunded my money for September in August, and that was that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, New York Times, get your right together.
Speaker 3: Police must be part of Like I don't want to
Speaker 3: go conspiracy theorists, but if you're someone like me, I'm
Speaker 3: not in my bank statement, I'm not seeing the ingoing
Speaker 3: outgoing transactions. Stuff just happened and then I see it
Speaker 3: if I see it. When I see it, think of
Speaker 3: the hundreds of thousands of people who would have transactions
Speaker 3: come out from a subscription they thought they canceled and
Speaker 3: had it literally.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was clearly something went wrong.
Speaker 2: Something's off.
Speaker 3: You know how they say that the business model in gyms,
Speaker 3: it's they're almost banking on you not going so they
Speaker 3: can take your money and not have to provide a
Speaker 3: service to you. Maybe that's what the New York Times
Speaker 3: is doing. No defamation, no defamation, no deformation.
Speaker 4: Willing to have a representative become on the show and
Speaker 4: apologize personally.
Speaker 2: Bring the CEO, bring the CFO.
Speaker 3: Actually, I need to know how many people are being
Speaker 3: charged for a service that they thought they canceled.
Speaker 2: Meanwill You're not the only one.
Speaker 4: I've got a daily newsletter from the New York Times
Speaker 4: that I've been paying for hitting met box every day.
Speaker 4: I will six to my Cidney Morning Herald subscription. Please
Speaker 4: and thanks. Yeah, with regards.
Speaker 1: This is flex and frooms on Flexi.
Speaker 4: As I have spoken about before. I love the streaming
Speaker 4: service Binge.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, so it's got HBO.
Speaker 4: But my favorite show is, of course, American Horror Stories.
Speaker 4: It's an anthology horror stories with similar actors Sarah Paulson.
Speaker 4: They become different characters as like running through lines. It's fantastic.
Speaker 4: But I've got a friend and she loves watching true crime.
Speaker 4: So when she goes to sleep, she'll be listening to
Speaker 4: the girl on YouTube saying, so right, this is a
Speaker 4: story about this they sis and she was she died
Speaker 4: and she was buried under the.
Speaker 2: House perfectly madered.
Speaker 4: Yeah, walking home, and she was slaid, like really intense
Speaker 4: graphic things. But she will not watch American Horror Stories
Speaker 4: with me because it's scary. Can you understand this logic?
Speaker 2: I don't understand it. I don't like it.
Speaker 3: I the true crime thing is very interesting to me
Speaker 3: because it's one thing to have a bit of a
Speaker 3: generalized more but curiosity like oh, what was that weird
Speaker 3: thing that happened? Or you saw a dock over down then?
Speaker 3: But the true crimes, especially how they say that, like
Speaker 3: it's disproportionately women who like run that genre, Like you
Speaker 3: also had a little bit derayanged with the way that
Speaker 3: you're able to just like suppress the the sheer gore
Speaker 3: of what's happening. Like I used to watch this YouTube
Speaker 3: channel and there was a series like Makeup Murder and
Speaker 3: Mystery where this girl would just apply her makeup and
Speaker 3: talk about the most gruesome stories. But I'd followed her
Speaker 3: for the makeup to begin with, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's suck a new thing and will just say the
Speaker 3: most like insensitive things without recognizing like the subject matter
Speaker 3: of what you're speaking about is real stuff, like real people,
Speaker 3: And they would try and fish for newer stories.
Speaker 2: So once I hadn't been rinsed as much.
Speaker 3: Even worse, you know, something's happened in twenty twenty and
Speaker 3: you're talking about it as you apply your contour.
Speaker 4: I don't know, doesn't sit right with me. It's a
Speaker 4: bit weirdol personally, but I think her whole thing was
Speaker 4: she doesn't like being shocked by scary, gory things. She'sn't
Speaker 4: like the physical feeling of being shocked. But personally, I
Speaker 4: don't really like listening to true crime.
Speaker 3: But I think that's the bit, Like, I think it's
Speaker 3: the issue is people aren't really considering that, like, listen
Speaker 3: to you, true crime should shock you, it should scare you.
Speaker 3: Like it's not meant to be a chill like wind
Speaker 3: down to go to sleep type beat.
Speaker 2: It's not meant to be like in the.
Speaker 3: Car driving to work someone assothed me before I go
Speaker 3: to my own personal hellhole type beat, Like it's meant
Speaker 3: to be scary stuff.
Speaker 1: This is flex and Frooms on Kita.
Speaker 3: I truly didn't intend for this to be a dating episode,
Speaker 3: but here we are happy to be here, always happy
Speaker 3: to wait in on situations we're currently not experiencing.
Speaker 2: Listen to this video I found.
Speaker 4: Get ready with me for what would have been my
Speaker 4: fifth date except I got dumped. Yeah, it is over.
Speaker 2: He basically got into an argument this week.
Speaker 3: I didn't reply to him for like two days, which
Speaker 3: I know is like not very cool.
Speaker 4: In my defense, I was not feeling well. It wasn't personal.
Speaker 4: I wasn't just like ghosting him. I just didn't feel
Speaker 4: like speaking to anyone long story, least long. He really
Speaker 4: didn't like that.
Speaker 2: It set off like a whole chain of arguments until
Speaker 2: I was like, listen, let's just wrap this up.
Speaker 4: It was just too much. I ghosted you for two
Speaker 4: days and we've been arguing about it for five Like
Speaker 4: it's not adding up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's the st Sorry. That is from a
Speaker 2: TikToker called Chisholm.
Speaker 3: Do you think that she overreacted or do you think
Speaker 3: that he overreacted?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I reckon. I've been in there. I'm
Speaker 4: the kind of person that if you go to me
Speaker 4: for two days, I'm off you completely, like we're not
Speaker 4: coming back. So I reckon. I'm in his camp.
Speaker 3: I would say after five dates as well, you should.
Speaker 3: You should be comfortable and to be like, hey, I'm
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna be mia for a little bit, Like,
Speaker 3: don't stress out. I'm just having a I'm weighing out,
Speaker 3: you know, having a weird brain moment. If it was
Speaker 3: someone you had just had online conversations with, they'd be
Speaker 3: acting out of line. But I think it's really interesting
Speaker 3: how like she couldn't fathom why he would be frustrated.
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, I get it, Like I ghosted you,
Speaker 3: Yeah you did, and then you came back like there
Speaker 3: was no issue with it. It keeps reminding me about how,
Speaker 3: like we we people society spent a lot of time
Speaker 3: talking about, like how we'd react in situations if everything
Speaker 3: worked out in the way that we had intended. This
Speaker 3: is a good exercise in like, let's say you have
Speaker 3: to do a thing that warrants an apology. How graceful
Speaker 3: you going to be with it? She was like, you know,
Speaker 3: I go to you for two days, never been arguing
Speaker 3: for five. It's like yeah, because you like you're clearly
Speaker 3: not meeting him halfway or understanding why it's frustrating. So
Speaker 3: tricky millennial dating, this is how the world ends. People
Speaker 3: just don't know how to date. Therefore they don't have
Speaker 3: babies and then we die out.
Speaker 4: What a way to go alone? Isolated? Yeah, I saided
Speaker 4: lonely exciting.
Speaker 1: Had been a fun flex and froods FLEXI.
Speaker 4: We both have been to therapy. We have We've done
Speaker 4: the work psychologists, psychiatrists, psychotherapists, general therapists. We've tried them all.
Speaker 4: It's been a great time. What a privilege and an honor.
Speaker 2: And you can tell it's worked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, i'd say so on Sundays. Anyway. I was seeing
Speaker 4: a therapist very briefly a few years ago, and after
Speaker 4: the third session I realized we're not gelling. What occurred
Speaker 4: next was that the next appointment came up in twenty
Speaker 4: four hours beforehand. I thought, I've got to pull the plug.
Speaker 2: That's over.
Speaker 4: So I message in say, hey, sorry, I can't actually
Speaker 4: do this.
Speaker 2: Was it a text, an email?
Speaker 4: Email? Can't do this appointment? Hopefully we can reschedule. Hits
Speaker 4: me back with the I have a forty eight hour
Speaker 4: cancelation fee, so I'll be charging you fifty percent. First
Speaker 4: time I considered, it's not like I rocked up blade
Speaker 4: or I said I'll gave your twenty four hours. Hit
Speaker 4: me with the forty eight hours. Instantly, I'm out of it,
Speaker 4: you never seeing you again. Do you think that was
Speaker 4: fair enough for her to do that.
Speaker 3: It's tricky because the way that I view therapy and
Speaker 3: the way that I think that most people view it
Speaker 3: is it's a therapeutic process. It's tools that I'm given
Speaker 3: or taught to help me be a better person by feeling, doing,
Speaker 3: thinking better things. The person that is meant to be
Speaker 3: the conduit to help you do that, you would assume
Speaker 3: they would be the most accommodating, the most agreeable, the
Speaker 3: most charming, the most open to ensuring that, however, you
Speaker 3: need to receive this service works in a way that's
Speaker 3: best for you. So yeah, like, I think there should
Speaker 3: not be a cancelation fee, but unfortunately capitalism says that
Speaker 3: everything has a value and a dollar sign attached to it.
Speaker 3: And if you know she has, it's a business it is.
Speaker 2: I'm all forward a product.
Speaker 4: I think the second time charge with the cancelation, but
Speaker 4: when we've wrote together for three sessions, it's leaving a
Speaker 4: bad taste in my mouth. However, I wanted to leave
Speaker 4: you with some tips on how to break up with
Speaker 4: your therapists.
Speaker 2: I'll thank you from all your experience.
Speaker 4: Well, just here are some science. If you're seeing psychologists
Speaker 4: and any of these pop up, just recon see whether
Speaker 4: or not it's worth the one hundred and eighty dollars
Speaker 4: in each session one. You're not making progress if it
Speaker 4: just keeps going back to the childhood drama. We're not
Speaker 4: getting anywhere.
Speaker 2: That's right, I tapped out. Yeah right.
Speaker 4: It's a hard hump to get over. Number two. Your
Speaker 4: therapists can't meet your treatment needs, for example, if they
Speaker 4: don't specialize in your chosen area of being disordered. Number three,
Speaker 4: you don't feel comfortable being vulnerable with your therapist. That
Speaker 4: can happen.
Speaker 3: It's a tricky one because I don't think people are
Speaker 3: comfortably being vulnerable generally.
Speaker 4: It's got to cultivate a safe space. You can't schedule
Speaker 4: appointments regularly because they're not available. That means they're trying
Speaker 4: to break up with you. You know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: care to this session. I would love to speak with
Speaker 4: someone who's been broken up with by their therapists.
Speaker 3: There we go, get that one down, Brookie. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna leave it there. But I've actually got a friend
Speaker 3: I might call him up and see next time. So
Speaker 3: by now I think that you've heard my positive story
Speaker 3: about therapy, the fact that I went to this psychotherapist
Speaker 3: and he treated me for my nightmares, which I didn't know.
Speaker 3: We're an underlying symptom of my anxiety that I wasn't
Speaker 3: feeling in the conscious hours because I'd suppressed it. Amazing
Speaker 3: stuff love that cannot go into it. I see your
Speaker 3: eyes trying to see seek out more exact.
Speaker 4: You don't understand what a psychotherapist is.
Speaker 3: Susion like trained in both areas of psychiatry and therapy,
Speaker 3: and depending on what you require, they can like assess you.
Speaker 3: But for me in particular, a lot of therapists orient
Speaker 3: their work in a way that is meant to be
Speaker 3: about what you consciously are aware of feeling, experiencing your
Speaker 3: in real life experience.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 3: Psychotherapist, from my understanding, he integrated a lot of like
Speaker 3: neuro therapy, new linguistic programming, what's happening in your brain,
Speaker 3: what are you experiencing subconsciously, what is your language exposing
Speaker 3: about the way you feel about the world, et cetera.
Speaker 3: For example, he asked me how I saw myself Like
Speaker 3: I think I was talking about Mike, maybe like the
Speaker 3: contradiction I was feeling with living like a public life
Speaker 3: but also feeling like a private person, but not like
Speaker 3: a in secrets way in like I get to decide
Speaker 3: what I do or don't want to share. And he's like,
Speaker 3: that feels contradictory to the life. So you set up
Speaker 3: and I was like, yeah, no, and then he said,
Speaker 3: how do you just how visualize yourself? Like you are
Speaker 3: a building? What kind of building are you? And I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, for sure, I'm a castle on a
Speaker 3: hill with a huge moat around it. And the moat
Speaker 3: is also flanked by this beautiful like hedge, maybe like
Speaker 3: even flowers, and from the outside looks that you can't
Speaker 3: get in, but if you just go around the back
Speaker 3: to the side, there's a gate entrance. And he was
Speaker 3: that is extremely detailed. He's like, you just like you've
Speaker 3: aired yourself out in so many ways. And I was like,
Speaker 3: what do you mean. I thought, it's like a nice
Speaker 3: visualization exercise, and it's like, how do you set yourself
Speaker 3: up for consumption?
Speaker 2: Big huge castle, so beautiful?
Speaker 3: Come look, you put a mote, you put a hedge,
Speaker 3: you say to people like this is for it's so beautiful.
Speaker 3: I want to watch, and then you make it difficult
Speaker 3: for anyone to get in.
Speaker 2: So what is that?
Speaker 3: I was like, h again, really fun exercise, right, but
Speaker 3: like that's the kind of approach we're getting into your brain.
Speaker 2: What are your words saying about the way you feel,
Speaker 2: et cetera.
Speaker 4: That's so cool. That seems like I think you'd have
Speaker 4: to be a really good psychotherapist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh for it to work.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Like he'd been around for ages, but that
Speaker 3: was the thing, Like he was really great at this
Speaker 3: very specific thing but had no cultural context for me,
Speaker 3: like white German guy. He was like, oh, I don't
Speaker 3: can't talk about race, can't talk about womanhood, can't talk
Speaker 3: to you about your lifestyle, can't talk about your career.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, so I can't just like childhood
Speaker 3: trum on my way into understanding how to manage my lifestyle.
Speaker 2: So it's not gonna work. But I remember trying to break.
Speaker 3: Up with him was so difficult because he was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like you only do a session a week. You want
Speaker 3: to go to a session of Fortnite, It's not going
Speaker 3: to be effective. And I'm like, okay, So I want
Speaker 3: to do therapy for tools to learn, tools I can
Speaker 3: use when I want them.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to uproot my life.
Speaker 3: I feel fine and I want to feel slightly better,
Speaker 3: but not having to like spend five hundred bucks or
Speaker 3: two fifty a week to do so.
Speaker 2: Like I'm good, Charlottean.
Speaker 4: I don't think you get psychotherapy on the medicare, can you.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Yeah, he just made it really
Speaker 2: really difficult, and then I go to him.
Speaker 4: Yeah damn. I mean I my first psychologist experience, I reckon.
Speaker 2: I was like nine.
Speaker 4: I think my mom went to the psychologist first and
Speaker 4: then tried to get me to go in. Obviously hated
Speaker 4: it just foral OCD vibes. I remember going in and
Speaker 4: thinking like fuck this. He was kind of like diagnosing
Speaker 4: what it was, and I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: I can't be letting my routines go sir. None of
Speaker 4: this never coming back. Obviously, the OCD continued, became quite
Speaker 4: how do I say, disruptive, but then it went away.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it can be. I reckon. I've
Speaker 4: saw I've seen like I've seen quite a few, and
Speaker 4: it's only in recent years that it's hit. But it's
Speaker 4: probably because I'm mature. Yeah, but I remember, and I
Speaker 4: put it on my story. I saw this woman when
Speaker 4: I was like twenty, and I was like having a
Speaker 4: lot of issues with UNI and feeling jealous of people.
Speaker 4: We used to get really stuck on certain people that
Speaker 4: I was jealous of and would obsess over them and
Speaker 4: stalk them, not physically, but you're online, Yeah, do.
Speaker 2: You do what you need to?
Speaker 4: And then she messaged me last year because I was
Speaker 4: on this Channel seven show just like I just saw
Speaker 4: you on this show, Like I remember you telling me
Speaker 4: you really wanted to do comedy. It's so amazing. I
Speaker 4: was like, that is incredible, that's sweet. I remember you,
Speaker 4: Sis than you imagine if you're still a client patient client,
Speaker 4: nothing's client anyway. Breaking up with a therapist. We need
Speaker 4: to talk to someone who's been broken up with because.
Speaker 2: That is by a therapist.
Speaker 1: Savagery, flex and frooms.
Speaker 2: I have some good news.
Speaker 3: If you've ever felt like you've had an anxiety about
Speaker 3: what to say when messaging is someone on a dating app,
Speaker 3: Thankfully for you, there's an app for that, Like there's
Speaker 3: an app for everything.
Speaker 2: Did I tell you I recently?
Speaker 3: I was using this app to get my laundry done,
Speaker 3: and then I bought a washer and dryer instead because
Speaker 3: economically no free press. But my butler is, yeah, bought
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Speaker 4: That's wrong.
Speaker 3: It doesn't feel right, that's for sure. So anyway, we'll
Speaker 3: get into that later. But, like I was saying, there's
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Speaker 3: messaging people by using AI to craft the perfect response
Speaker 3: for the person you're texting.
Speaker 2: It's this whole thing. But listen to this.
Speaker 5: Okay, guys, I don't know how I feel about this,
Speaker 5: but this is a new app I just discovered. It's
Speaker 5: called Keys, and it actually enables you to take a
Speaker 5: screenshot of messages in any dating app and then it
Speaker 5: gives you suggestions. It analyzes your conversation and it gives
Speaker 5: you three suggestions of what you could respond. Now, you
Speaker 5: guys probably know as a dating coach, I help a
Speaker 5: lot of guys with messaging on dating apps, and so
Speaker 5: this app kind of like automates that. So I don't
Speaker 5: know how I feel about this. I also feel this
Speaker 5: is kind of creepy, like for women to not know
Speaker 5: if she's talking to a dude or she's talking to
Speaker 5: a bot effectively, and this could allow dudes to totally
Speaker 5: masquerade as having better game or better conversation than they
Speaker 5: actually do.
Speaker 2: Why don't you worry about the men. I'm back to
Speaker 2: bamboozle with this app okay and my feminist king these
Speaker 2: guys both way. If anything, it might help the conversation.
Speaker 3: I've started doing this thing recently where I don't fill
Speaker 3: in the gaps of conversation by asking questions. If people
Speaker 3: haven't asked me questions, it fixes it right quick because
Speaker 3: it's kind of like, oh wait, oh yeah, how is
Speaker 3: your xyz?
Speaker 2: Did you go?
Speaker 5: What is that?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Like, there we go?
Speaker 4: I did that once and it's so awkward. So it's
Speaker 4: very upsetting when they don't actually take the hint. Then
Speaker 4: you know you're in for one.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about that? Though?
Speaker 4: I mean good, Like if the intention is right and
Speaker 4: we end up meeting up, if it's what's going to
Speaker 4: get them over the hump of you know, being able
Speaker 4: to communicate over text. Communicating over text is hard for
Speaker 4: a lot of people. It's different to communicating in person.
Speaker 4: What if you have like dyslexia or.
Speaker 2: How did you say it?
Speaker 4: Like they did mean to do that. I didn't mean
Speaker 4: that dyslexia. Why is the word dyslexia so difficult to say?
Speaker 2: Literally?
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think this app is fantastic for modern dating,
Speaker 4: and you step your game up in person.
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