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Speaker 1: Well, very good morning and welcome to the show. On

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Speaker 1: Please that I am back and joining me in the

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Speaker 1: studio this morning for the week that was, we have

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Speaker 1: got Josh Burgoyne, who is indeed the Minister for Lands

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Speaker 1: Planning and Environment.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, morning Katie, Good morning to listeners.

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Speaker 1: And also in the studio this morning, we've got Matt

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Matts, Morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: And in Catherine on the line this morning, we have

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Speaker 1: got the opposition leader Selena Yubo. Good morning, Selena, Good

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Speaker 1: morning Katie from Cold Castrot. Yeah, it sounds like it's

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Speaker 1: beautiful down there, only on twenty degrees.

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Speaker 4: It is lovely.

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Speaker 5: Jump awa u oh nice stuff. Well, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: There's plenty to cover off on this week and we

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Speaker 1: will head first to the situation in Alice Springs, where

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Speaker 1: we know Northern Territory police say that they're engaging with

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Speaker 1: the family of a man who died following an incident

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Speaker 1: at Cole's Supermarket in Alice Springs. Security guards confronted the

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Speaker 1: twenty four year old man, who was trying to steal

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Speaker 1: items from the store on Tuesday afternoon. He allegedly became

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Speaker 1: aggressive altercation then broke out and a security guard was assaulted.

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Speaker 5: Police who were.

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Speaker 1: In the store at the time came to assist. Now,

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Speaker 1: when officers tried to cuff the man, he was found

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Speaker 1: another assault on a woman at the Commonwealth Bank before

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Speaker 1: the incident at Coles. The twenty four year old wallprey

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Speaker 1: man from You and Demou was living in supported accommodation

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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs because of his disabilities. Now, the latest

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Speaker 1: late yesterday, as I understand, was that an autopsy had

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Speaker 1: with a forensic pathologist needing to do further investigations. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's a terrible situation. However, you look at it, and

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Speaker 1: I've no doubt that everybody in Alice Springs pretty sort

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Speaker 2: Josh, absolutely, Katie, you know our town is HEARDing. This

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Speaker 2: is another high profile incident that has occurred in Elis Springs.

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Speaker 2: I was there on Monday and Tuesday. Obviously a lot

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Speaker 2: think it's really important in this situation that the facts

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Speaker 2: the police have reported. There's been a lot of a

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Speaker 2: lot of talk in our Springs and online unfortunately, a

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Speaker 2: lot of a lot of misinformation. So I think it's

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Speaker 2: really important just to again stick to the facts in

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Speaker 2: regards to this incident. It is terrible that someone has

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Speaker 2: lost their lives. The police officers involved, obviously, we have

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Speaker 2: been through a lot over the last number of years.

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Speaker 2: So again our town Ali Springs in the media for

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Speaker 2: all the wrong reasons. And I think it's really important

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Speaker 2: feel positive is that there hasn't been any unrest in

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Speaker 2: Damum and police along with even I know through my

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Speaker 1: Mash I mean, it is a story that is getting

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Speaker 1: like it's been reported all over the nation, of course,

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Speaker 1: a death in custody and Aboriginal death in custody, and

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Speaker 1: I suppose, you know, different sort of responses from different

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think Josh is right when he says that we

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Speaker 3: And there have been a lot of people sort of

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Speaker 3: the Kumuenjoy Walker shooting, there were concerns from both sides.

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Speaker 3: you know, I think it wouldn't be unreasonable to suggest

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Speaker 1: Selena, obviously, Matt's touched on the fact that you issued

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Speaker 1: a statement the day after this incident had occurred. What

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Speaker 1: exactly did you say in that statement and do you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Katie this is definitely a deeply distressing incident in

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Speaker 4: he's loved ones. Obviously it's never fathomable when you lose

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Speaker 4: and acknowledging of course the impact that we'll have across

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Speaker 4: good days and the bad I think a very difficult

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Speaker 4: time for everyone, and of course acknowledging similar to what

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Speaker 4: Josh has said that you know, the emotions are going

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Speaker 4: to be very raw across our springs and Central Australia

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Speaker 4: here in Big Rivers, we're a very tight knit region

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Speaker 4: and when there is something that happens in the community,

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Speaker 1: Look, I think it's you know, this is such a

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Speaker 1: that the findings I believe from the coronial inquest into

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Speaker 1: the death of Kumen Jai Walker were due to be

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Speaker 1: aren't they Matt on the tenth, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Tuesday week. But there's some question now about whether that

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Speaker 2: So in regards to that, there's obviously sorry business that

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Speaker 1: Now I want to talk more broadly about this situation.

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Speaker 1: As everybody has pointed out, there is a lot, you know,

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Speaker 1: there is so much that needs to happen here. We

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Speaker 1: that there's obviously these calls for an independent investigation. But

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk more broadly about the fact

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Speaker 1: that we have got some really serious issues in the

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Speaker 1: talking about various crimes being committed on air or varying levels.

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Speaker 1: It's just weeks ago that we spoke about the absolutely

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Speaker 1: that situation, you know, echoes in my head even now

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Speaker 5: Whichever way you.

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Speaker 1: Look at it, But you know, fact is, we are

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Speaker 2: It's very concerning and obviously we came to government, we

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Speaker 2: So I'm talking more broadly in regards to this, Katie,

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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem to be improvement. And on some of

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Speaker 1: Look, we are going to take a bit of a break.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one OW four nine's three sixty.

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Speaker 5: It is the week that was.

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Speaker 1: If you have just joined us, you are listening to

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Speaker 1: the Opposition leader Selena Ubo. Now we know that we

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Speaker 1: under helthscope. Well, those surgeries as well and clinics around

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Speaker 1: Now we know that in a statement, Health Scope has

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Speaker 5: I did. I spoke to him earlier in the week.

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Speaker 2: because I completely understand if you're used to always having

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Speaker 3: I think the question that you raised earlier is a

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Speaker 3: Is we all pay a lot of us pay our

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're wondering what all those what it's worth.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, O, Katie, this is a huge concern across the country,

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Speaker 1: Quite wrap my head around how come Tasmania did get

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Speaker 4: Is anybody they got in early, Katie. They worked at

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Speaker 4: We didn't see it.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon that's the only reason, because I sort

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Speaker 5: But I could be wrong.

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Speaker 2: was going to happen at a federal level obviously didn't

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Speaker 2: tell the right people because I certainly didn't know this

439
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Speaker 2: was about to happen. We're now put in a position

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Speaker 2: where we have our private hospital provider in Darwen, like

441
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Speaker 2: it's really important that it will continue to be operational

442
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Speaker 2: with no impact of staff. That's really important in the

443
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Speaker 2: patients whilst they work through this period. And now there

444
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Speaker 2: is absolute collaboration between our Health Minister, the Federal Health

445
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Speaker 2: Minister to ensure that there's an outcome here because we

446
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Speaker 2: can all we can all say who knew what when.

447
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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we've been working through

448
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Speaker 2: the issues that have arisen and right now we now

449
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Speaker 2: have health Scope as an Australia wide provider that have

450
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Speaker 2: gone into administration and we have to work through how

451
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Speaker 2: best to get the best outcome here.

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Speaker 3: For so is the federal government saying to you, Josh,

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Speaker 3: that they'll give extra support to the Northern Territory on

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Speaker 3: this issue, like Scopes obviously got thirty seven private hospitals,

455
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Speaker 3: but many of them are in Victoria and New South Wales,

456
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Speaker 3: et cetera, but that we will get special support from

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Speaker 3: the from the federal government to ensure that our private

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Speaker 3: hospital doesn't see a reduction in services, a further reduction

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Speaker 3: in services, or doesn't close.

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Speaker 2: What's important is that our Health Minister and the Federal

461
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Speaker 2: Health Minister are working together to ensure that there's an

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Speaker 2: outcome here. I haven't been privy to the negotiations or

463
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Speaker 2: the discussions between those health ministers, but obviously right now

464
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Speaker 2: we're in a predicament now where we have the service

465
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Speaker 2: that provides services right across the country. They're now looking

466
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Speaker 2: at essentially what's going to happen with healthscope across the

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Speaker 2: entire country, acknowledging that we have held one private hospital

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Speaker 2: here in the Northern Territory that provides those services, and

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Speaker 2: obviously without it, it then puts a huge demand on

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Speaker 2: our public service, which is partly funded by the FED.

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Speaker 2: So I think that's something that everyone needs to understand,

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Speaker 2: is that if I'm not saying that's what's going to happen,

473
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Speaker 2: is that this all falls onto the public hospital. But

474
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Speaker 2: that's a real that's.

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Speaker 3: What happens if the private closes then.

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Speaker 1: When we already know that our public hospitals are always

477
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Speaker 1: under a lot of strain. Now, look, we are going

478
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Speaker 1: to head to a break. When we come back. There's

479
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Speaker 1: plenty still up for discussion, including the Darwin Porsche and

480
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Speaker 1: of course those tanks that are apparently not cyclone coded.

481
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Speaker 1: Lots happening around the Northern Territory. You are listening to

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Speaker 1: Mix one O four nine's three sixty. It is indeed

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Speaker 1: the week that was, and gee, there's been plenty happening week.

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Speaker 5: But I want to talk.

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Speaker 1: About the Darwin port and if you have just joined us.

486
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Speaker 1: Josh Burgoyne and of course Matt Cunninghammer in the studio

487
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Speaker 1: with a Selena. You both on the line in Catherine

488
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Speaker 1: and yeah, the Darwin Port. So it was reported earlier

489
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Speaker 1: in the week that a US private equity firm with

490
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Speaker 1: strong ties to the Trump administration could be poised to

491
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Speaker 1: make an offer to buy the Port of Darwin from

492
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Speaker 1: its Chinese owner in a test of Anthony Albanesi's resolve

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Speaker 1: to bring the port back under Western control. Now we

494
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Speaker 1: spoke to Luke Gosling, the Member for Solomon, about this

495
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Speaker 1: earlier in the week. He said that there are a

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Speaker 1: number of Australian firms from his understanding, that are interested

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Speaker 1: in taking that lease back and that it does sort

498
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Speaker 1: of all need to happen. I'm trying to think of

499
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Speaker 1: the right word, but you know, like it doesn't need

500
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Speaker 1: to be rushed to make sure that we get this right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Matt, I feel like we've been reporting on

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Speaker 1: the port for a very long time, mate, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We have, we have indeed, but you heard it here first, Katie,

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Speaker 3: I have to say that we said first that there

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Speaker 3: would be an announcement during the election campaign about the

506
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Speaker 3: Darwen Port, Yes, and there was Yeah. This is interesting

507
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Speaker 3: about the fact that an American private equity firm might

508
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Speaker 3: be involved and has apparently had meetings with Bill Yann.

509
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Speaker 3: According to that report in The Australian, that wouldn't fulfill

510
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister's promise though to return it to Australian hands.

511
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Speaker 3: But he appears to be open to the idea because

512
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Speaker 3: at a press conference this week he said, we have

513
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Speaker 3: said we want to see it in Australian hands. I

514
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Speaker 3: have noticed speculation which is there, but we will examine

515
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Speaker 3: the process. We are determined to make sure it is

516
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Speaker 3: in the national interest. It for it had to be

517
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Speaker 3: in Australian hands. But if there are other proposals, we

518
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Speaker 3: will work through those as we go, but we will

519
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Speaker 3: go through a through that on a commercial basis. So

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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister does appear to be open to the

521
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Speaker 3: idea that it could be in American hands as opposed.

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Speaker 5: To Chinese hands.

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Speaker 1: I did speak to doctor John Coyn from the Australian

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Speaker 1: Strategic Policy Institute earlier in the week. I believe that

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Speaker 1: you also spoke to someone as well, Matt about this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose what I sort of question is

527
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Speaker 1: what kind of impact is it going to have on

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Speaker 1: our diplomatic relationship with China should the US.

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Speaker 5: Take over that Porsche?

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Speaker 1: What do you make of it, Josh.

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Speaker 2: Look, at the end of the day, the Federal government

532
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Speaker 2: went to the election, they made their commitment as the

533
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Speaker 2: landholder for the Downport. The ANTI government will continue to

534
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Speaker 2: work with the Fed's in good faith to make sure

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Speaker 2: that whatever deal is done can occur. And I think

536
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Speaker 2: that's important to this stage where we're not the ones

537
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Speaker 2: that it's all about working.

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Speaker 1: You are the ones you take in to your lines.

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Speaker 5: Selena, what do you reckon? I mean, would you?

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Speaker 4: I think you know just starting of course with this

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Speaker 4: and I think it's about ten years that you and

542
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Speaker 4: Matt have been talking about there. But is he just

543
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Speaker 4: re memory? But you know it should have never been sold.

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Speaker 4: I think that the best way to clean up the

545
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Speaker 4: mess will be through a commercial deal. But going to

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Speaker 4: your point as well, Katie, you know last financial year

547
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Speaker 4: the Northern Territory did about three billion dollars worth of

548
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Speaker 4: trading with China. So I really do hope that, however

549
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Speaker 4: the CLP government's handling this, that it's not going to

550
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Speaker 4: damage that relationship. One of our most important trade partners

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Speaker 4: for the Northern Territory and that economy of scale that

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Speaker 4: we have with that trade partner. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 4: it's probably a good opportunity for Josh to clear up

554
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Speaker 4: once and for all the CLP government and how they

555
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Speaker 4: stand on the port and the issue which we know

556
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Speaker 4: lots of territories are very interested in.

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Speaker 2: I look forward to us seeing what the Federal Labor

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Speaker 2: government come back with in regards to these negotiation discussions.

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Speaker 5: Well they went then and then and then.

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Speaker 3: I love this because this is what has happened like

561
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Speaker 3: certainly in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: It's just his hair balling game between the nt and

563
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Speaker 2: it's up to them. No, it's up to them.

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Speaker 3: No, it's up to them. No, it's up to them.

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Speaker 4: Was also important, Matt. You know before the federal election

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Speaker 4: you coverled obviously the NTI election and the federal election

567
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Speaker 4: of course, but before the federal election, Lefanokia as our

568
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Speaker 4: Chief Minister and Bill Yanners, the Territories Treasurer, insisted that

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Speaker 4: the Darwin Port returned to Australian hands. And now we

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Speaker 4: hear about you know, this negotiation around a US buyers.

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Speaker 4: So have they flipped? Are they playing it quiet, but

572
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Speaker 4: we just don't know. They're not going well it was.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just the anti government, it was the Prime

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Speaker 3: Minister and the Member for Solomon who said that it

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Speaker 3: would return to Australian hands, so.

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Speaker 4: As well as the seal Pick government. Who now, Josh

577
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Speaker 4: is not you know, it's a position of government. What's

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Speaker 4: the position of our territory government? We don't even know.

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Speaker 3: Well, what's your position? Do you think it should be

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Speaker 3: in Australian hands? Are you happy for the US?

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Speaker 4: I think it should be in Australian.

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Speaker 3: What's your position, Josh? Do you think it should be

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Speaker 3: Australian hands or you're happy for the US?

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Speaker 2: Just be really clear about this. Okay, this was all

585
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Speaker 2: kicked off because of someone beating their chests, I think

586
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Speaker 2: on this radio show, actually there are conversations that are underway.

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Speaker 2: It certainly wasn't Bill. Certainly wasn't Bill.

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Speaker 5: First to talk about it, and.

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Speaker 3: He got upset that his thunder was being.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, I tell you what, it does seem as

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Speaker 1: though there's a movement. However, you look at it on

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Speaker 1: the port So I don't know exactly what is going

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Speaker 1: to happen. I don't know how territorians feel about it

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Speaker 1: potentially going into US.

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Speaker 3: And I don't know about that either. I know that

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Speaker 3: to your earlier point, and to Selena's point that the

597
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Speaker 3: Chinese are clearly un'thappy, the Chinese ambassador was here last week.

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Speaker 3: He subsequently released a statement and he made a pretty

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Speaker 3: decent point, and that was that it is somewhat unfair

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Speaker 3: for Lambridge to have come here and done so much

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Speaker 3: work when it comes to the rectification of the issues

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Speaker 3: at the port, the upgrade of the vascil at the port.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you go back to twenty fifteen and

604
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Speaker 3: you remember the state the port was in at the time,

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Speaker 3: I mean it was literally sinking, and so you know

606
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Speaker 3: there was a lot of work that would be done.

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Speaker 3: And Peter Stiles, who Anthony Albaneze, he couldn't remember when

608
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Speaker 3: he was asked about this at a press conference, but

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Speaker 3: Peter Stiles, the former Infrastructure Minister, swears on his life

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Speaker 3: that he went down and had a meeting with Anthony

611
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Speaker 3: Albanesi and say said we need federal money to fix

612
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Speaker 3: this port or it's cooked, and none was forthcoming. So anyway,

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Speaker 3: but to the point about the Chinese, they have said

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Speaker 3: that Lambridge has made a significant investment in the port

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Speaker 3: and upgraded those facilities. And you can see some of

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Speaker 3: that work for yourself when you go down and look

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Speaker 3: at the cruise ship terminal and so on. So you

618
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Speaker 3: know they are going to have their noses out of

619
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Speaker 3: joint at the point that this deal gets Undone part

620
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Speaker 3: of that might just be them sort of leveraging and

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Speaker 3: trying to get more money for Lanmbridge out of the deal,

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Speaker 3: because I think according to reports, this US equity firm

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Speaker 3: has offered just over the five hundred and six million

624
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Speaker 3: that Lanbridge has paid for Itridge. Officially, he says it's

625
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Speaker 3: not for sale, but unofficially, apparently according to that report

626
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Speaker 3: in the Australian, they'll take bids of a round a

627
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Speaker 3: billion dollars, so big.

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Speaker 1: Jump, not many real estate jumps, goes up double the price.

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Speaker 3: But realistically Lanbridge holds the cards, don't they in this

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Speaker 3: negotiation unless the federal government's going to put its money

631
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Speaker 3: where its mouth isn't step in into compulsory requires.

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Speaker 5: Which I don't think they're going to do.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to want to do this in

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Speaker 1: the most diplomatic sort of way possible. Now look another report,

635
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Speaker 1: this one online by the ABC that eleven fuel tanks

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Speaker 1: built for the US military to hold flammable liquid at

637
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Speaker 1: the Darwin Harbor of reportedly not being designed to withstand

638
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Speaker 1: a Category three cyclone.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: It was outlined in an engineering report which was obtained

641
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Speaker 1: by the ABC, which also claimed the tanks were built

642
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Speaker 1: without a building permit. The report says if the tank's

643
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Speaker 1: failed in cyclonic wins, more than two hundred million liters

644
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Speaker 1: of combustible liquid could be released, having catastrophic consequences on people,

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Speaker 1: property and the environment. I mean, Josh, you've obviously got

646
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Speaker 1: those portfolios of environment, infrastructure and planning.

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Speaker 5: How has this happened?

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Speaker 2: It's a very good question, Kay. Obviously we've come into

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Speaker 2: government the last eight of nine months. There's been a

650
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Speaker 2: number of issues that we've had to deal with. This

651
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Speaker 2: is one of them. As the Minister for Department of

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Speaker 2: Lands Planning, Environment, we've been the Department's been working with

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Speaker 2: Crowley is what I've been briefed on to ensure the

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Speaker 2: independent verification of the required safety, construction environmental standards are

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Speaker 2: all met in regards to that. That's what's really important here.

656
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Speaker 2: There's been one leaked report that obviously states what it states.

657
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Speaker 2: I haven't seen that leaked report that the ABC have

658
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: apparently written this article in regards to but going forward,

659
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: it's important that Crowley, the Defense that they obviously have

660
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: the contract with, can come together in regards to dealing

661
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: with all this. It was Michael Gunner I believe that

662
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: was taking pictures down at the site and talking up

663
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: how wonderful this was all going to be. And obviously

664
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Speaker 2: we welcome any investment here in the Northern Territory. We

665
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Speaker 2: do want to ensure that all the all the appropriate

666
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: checks and balances are followed and that at the end

667
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Speaker 2: of the day we have that independent verification that these

668
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: are going to be fit fit for purpose.

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Speaker 1: They're not operational at the moment though.

670
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Speaker 2: Are that No, there's no fuel and that's what's important.

671
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Speaker 2: There's it's also important to note that there's been a

672
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Speaker 2: number of issues in regards to contractors and all the

673
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Speaker 2: rest of it. So there may be a number of

674
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Speaker 2: people who feel very aggrieved by this construction process.

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Speaker 5: Who can they be fixed?

676
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Speaker 1: I mean like, like, can these are they ever going

677
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Speaker 1: to be able to be used?

678
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Speaker 2: If there are any issues that are found in regards

679
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: to the structural integrity or otherwise. Obviously there are things

680
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: that you can do to ensure that those things are remedy.

681
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Speaker 5: But I think it's saying they might not be.

682
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that there's currently been one report,

683
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: and as we all know, when we know there's something

684
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: wrong with us, we go and get a second opinion

685
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Speaker 2: from the doctor. What I'm saying is is that there's

686
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Speaker 2: one report that has supposedly come out and said that

687
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: they are rated to I think a category three cycling.

688
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Speaker 2: What we need to ensure is that when the final

689
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Speaker 2: sign off is given, is that we have the certification

690
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Speaker 2: and a structural engineer that's willing to sign off saying

691
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Speaker 2: that it is built to that standard.

692
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Speaker 3: Is there a planning a problem with our planning and

693
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Speaker 3: our certification laws more generally, because there seems to be

694
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Speaker 3: these sort of things that come up quite a bit.

695
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Speaker 3: I think about the Baalomack houses, which are an absolute cluster.

696
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Speaker 2: That was something else entirely around the way in which

697
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Speaker 2: the houses were built. And this is generally and.

698
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Speaker 3: The way around the way around the way the houses

699
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: were certified as well, though, And again I think because

700
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Speaker 3: someone has to sign off and say yes, this is okay,

701
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Speaker 3: and I just think there seems to be an issue.

702
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Speaker 3: My understanding was there used to be an independent certifier

703
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: who would come in and sign off on these things,

704
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 3: and then the rules changed, and you know, it was

705
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 3: sort of that wasn't the case anymore. And it's not

706
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Speaker 3: just with those how it's either I mean too Stadium

707
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 3: had a heap of issues that were raised around and

708
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Speaker 3: I know that's a historical one, but there do seem

709
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 3: to be a few flaws in our planning and certification

710
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: process that allow some of these things to happen when

711
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Speaker 3: clearly they shouldn't.

712
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Speaker 1: Now.

713
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not talking specifically about the Tanks one

714
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: and the Tanks one. You know, if that's a problem, well,

715
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: that's a problem for big corporations in governments. I'm more

716
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: worried about when it's a problem for some poor bugger

717
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: who's paid half a million plus for an affordable house

718
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: and is left with an absolute.

719
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Speaker 2: And it's important to realize that there's now a funding

720
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Speaker 2: place that will ensure that if anyone's left high and

721
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: dry in regards to that because the builder goes bankrupt,

722
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: things aren't aren't finished to the necessary certificational standards. There

723
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: is a fidelity funding place. Currently we're working around the

724
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: protections in place as Bell and that Cows is my understanding,

725
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: fell outside of when there was that protections in place,

726
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 2: which is why it's been such a drawn out issue

727
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 2: that once again our government's working really hard to resolve

728
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Speaker 2: and I have more to say on that into the future.

729
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Speaker 1: So, Selena, I mean, what do you make of this

730
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: situation with these tanks, Like, obviously it's happened, it's you know,

731
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Speaker 1: it's something that's been sort of reported on for a

732
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: little while, not so much this you know, the fact

733
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Speaker 1: that they're not, actually, according to this report, designed to

734
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Speaker 1: withstand category three cyclones.

735
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Speaker 5: But what do you make of it all?

736
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Katie, this is a huge error and in terms

737
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 4: of what you'd expect, and going to Matt's point around

738
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 4: you know, building codes and expectations to prevent anything, whether

739
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 4: it's large scale, whether it's medium scale or small scale

740
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 4: development here in the territory when it comes to infrastructure

741
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 4: has to be improved. There was a building confidence around

742
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: better Planning for the Northern Territory report that came out

743
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: a few years and it was around those specific regulations

744
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 4: and legislations to improve here in the Northern territory. We

745
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 4: always want to see obviously the territory develop and do

746
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 4: things around development in the proper way, but also to

747
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 4: make sure there are safeguards when it comes to infrastructure

748
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 4: and the way that it is built. And obviously in

749
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 4: the top end we've got cyclans and it's just a huge, huge,

750
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 4: huge error when it comes to these tanks and obviously

751
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 4: what they're supposed to hold and thankfully they don't hold

752
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 4: fuel at the moment. But my understanding is, you know

753
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 4: there's water intruding into the base of those tanks, so

754
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 4: you're very keen to hear you know what the work

755
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 4: will be ongoing around this particular issue. But I think

756
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 4: going to that bigger picture as well, that process around

757
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 4: building reform and improving protections and regulations in the territory

758
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 4: when it comes to infrastructure is a really important work

759
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Speaker 4: of government as well.

760
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Speaker 1: We are going to take a break. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: Mix one oh four nine's three sixty. It is the

762
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Speaker 1: week that was. You've just joined us in the studio.

763
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Speaker 1: With us today, we have indeed got Josh Burgoyne, the

764
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Speaker 1: Minister for Lands Planning and the Environment. We've also got

765
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Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News and in Catherine the opposition

766
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Speaker 1: leader Saline Ubo. Now, before we wrap up, good news yesterday,

767
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: particularly if you're a Dolphins fan like me, with the

768
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 1: Dolphins announced as the NT's new NRL team as part

769
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Speaker 1: of this three year partnership. It does indeed follow the

770
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Speaker 1: conclusion of the Northern Territories twelve year partnership with the Eels.

771
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Speaker 1: Now I was speaking to the coach yesterday. He reckons

772
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Speaker 1: they're excited, they're pumped.

773
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: Finns up. We are proud to get him on the show.

774
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Speaker 1: Help me the most awkward interview.

775
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: Has been a three year deal secured and this is

776
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: a positive thing even in Alice Springs. More recently, I've

777
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Speaker 2: seen representatives from the Dolphins coming through to run clinics

778
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 2: and all the rest of it. My daughter ended up

779
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: with a with a hat a few months ago, so

780
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: they're definitely getting out there on the ground making sure

781
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Speaker 2: that the people in the territory feel like they're a

782
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: part of this. It's obviously a growing team, new team

783
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: in the NRL, and I think that's what's worked really well.

784
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: If you look at the other agreements that have been

785
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 2: signed over the years. It brings sport into the territory.

786
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Speaker 2: People are being able to be exposed to these top

787
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: tier level events, which which you know the government is

788
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: always happy to get behind, and it means that you

789
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: don't have to travel in the state to see some

790
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: of this top tier NRL or we've just had the

791
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: AFL Games, We're going to have one in our spring soon,

792
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: so that'll be fantastic for the locals in Alice to

793
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: have as well.

794
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Speaker 1: So partnership with the Gold Coast Suns, that's a good.

795
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Speaker 3: Point, Katie. I'm not an NRL fan, obviously, I'm an AFL.

796
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Speaker 5: Fan, but all of the above.

797
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Speaker 3: Matt, Well, no, not really, but if you if you

798
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 3: look at the Gold Coast I think the good thing

799
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Speaker 3: about the Gold Coast Sons is because they're a new

800
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: team and because they don't have a big supporter base

801
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 3: and they're not from the traditional market, they put a

802
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: lot more effort into their Northern Territory deal than the

803
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 3: teams that had it before them had Like when Melbourne

804
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 3: had it previously, the Darwin Deal, they looked like they

805
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 3: were here under sufferance every time they came, and the

806
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 3: Gold Coast now look like they want to be here.

807
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: They come here for two weeks, they play two games

808
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: in a row, they're out in the community, they're media

809
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 3: team's brilliant. I've never seen a sporting team that has

810
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 3: a more open, reactive, proactive media unit, and I would

811
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Speaker 3: expect that the Dolphins are going to be pretty similar.

812
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Speaker 3: In fact, if the coach won't come on your show.

813
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Speaker 5: There there'll be a problem.

814
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Speaker 3: But I do think we'll probably get more out of

815
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Speaker 3: the Dolphins then perhaps we got out of Well.

816
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Speaker 1: I think they've got a bit more connection to the

817
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: Northern Territory, which is a really good thing. So look,

818
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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be a hopefully going to

819
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: be a really positive move. Selena, who do you support

820
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: in the NRL?

821
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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I do want to offend you. I'm actually

822
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 4: a cowboy supporter, but I used to be. I do

823
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 4: think it's good news for the territory when we do

824
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 4: have that, you know, high level professional tier of national

825
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 4: sporting pross come to the territory and be able to

826
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Speaker 4: travel around and support you know, grassroots footy and all

827
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Speaker 4: the different codes that we have. You know, my daughter

828
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 4: just started rugby this year, which was really interesting because

829
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 4: I'm soccer player from way back, so I'm learning all

830
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: the rules, but under sixers is pretty easy not understand

831
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 4: at the moment. You know, Dolphins have already been in

832
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: Catherine on Sunday and now we're doing some a barbecue

833
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 4: and a clinic with the kids down here, and I

834
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 4: think that's a really fantastic way to start off, you know,

835
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 4: the territory connection in that more formal capacity. But the

836
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Speaker 4: only thing that I would criticize around the deal, Katie,

837
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 4: is that Alice Springs misses out on a game. You know,

838
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 4: how we've spoken about the AFL and how we see

839
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 4: those Central Australian games, So if there was an inclusion

840
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 4: in that, you know, in future, to make sure that

841
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,760
Speaker 4: we've got top end and Central Australia covered through the NRL,

842
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: I think we will see the sport grow across the territory.

843
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, again, it gives fans across

844
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 4: the NT that close connection to be able to see

845
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 4: those games up close, live in person, and then to

846
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 4: be able to meet the players and the coaches and

847
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 4: the support stuff and to really look at what the

848
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 4: development is for that code here in the territory. So

849
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Speaker 4: that would have been my only thing to ask that

850
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 4: the government consider in any future deals.

851
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: Good on you and I reckon we can get on

852
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: a bipartisan too. We can.

853
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 3: Line is real everyone, don't you worry about that?

854
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: Well, look, I can confirm that the Wolf Boys spent

855
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: quite a bit of time in Alice Springs actually back

856
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: when Melanka's was still.

857
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: We've got it in and we just need to picture

858
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: to the dolphins.

859
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 5: All right. Well that is it for this morning.

860
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Speaker 1: Josh Burgoyne, thank you so much for your time.

861
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Katie. Just before I go weekend in Harmony

862
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: down in our Springs and obviously the footy game on

863
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: Sunday Melbourne v. S and Kilda.

864
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: Matt Cunningham from Sky News, thank you for your time

865
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: this morning. Thanks Katie and Selena Robo in Catherine, thanks

866
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: so much for joining us.

867
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Speaker 4: Thank you Katie, and my little shout out. The Junk

868
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 4: Festival is on this Saturday here in Catherine. It's actually

869
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 4: the new venue. It's going to be at the Catherine Speedway,

870
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: so please get out and support the amazing work of

871
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 4: the Catherine Ritual Arts team and some of the great

872
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 4: local sculptures that we'll see from all the things that

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Speaker 4: people throughout the.

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Speaker 1: Year, awesome stuff. Well, thank you, so very much for

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Speaker 1: your time,