1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: This is Outspoken, the podcast it's not afraid to say 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: exactly what you're thinking. 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 2: Our names are Amy Kate and Sophie Torborth. 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 1: We're identical triplets, but we often don't have identical opinions, 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: so sometimes things can get heated. Outspoken covers all things 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: reality TV, influencers, entertainment, and issues facing women. 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 2: That is so fatch. 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, hello, and welcome back to Outspoken. Now we 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: have had a bit of a change of scenery. We 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: are recording this from our new HQ, which is upstairs 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: in my house in my office. Yeah, it appears that 12 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: there was a final straw last week at my house 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: when the neighbor decided to pressure hose her lawn for 14 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,560 Speaker 1: some absurd reason. So I'm not surprised that you guys 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: wanted to move the podcast equipment. I think the listeners 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: are probably sick to death of that dog barking in 17 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: the background. So hopefully there'll be nothing like that happening here. 18 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: And so Viz is locked outside so we won't hear 19 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: Archie interrupting either, which is good news. Now, I've put 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: on a bit of a spread for you guys. Go 21 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: some kitkats here your favorite cups of tea. I'm pulling 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: out all the stops to impress you we can. 23 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: Have anything sugar free. Well no, I don't, amy. 24 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean you can go and have a bit of 25 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: grass from outside that will suffice. Despite the move, we 26 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: all actually had quite an exciting weekend because it was 27 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: our first event after the lockdown in Adelaide. 28 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was so weird. 29 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: I felt weird not wearing active wear out, so I 30 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: actually had a dress on. 31 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: Well, this was at a. 32 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: Wedding, so I'm glad that you weren't wearing active wear. 33 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: That's a positive thing. Probably one of the hardest things 34 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: was that I actually had to fake tan for the event, 35 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: and that was a real grueling process for me. I 36 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: forgot how uncomfortable it can be. But it was a 37 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: lot of fun to get dressed up. And it was 38 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: kind of weird though, because you're not allowed to dance 39 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: in Adelaide and I suppose in all states in Australia, 40 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: so they had a DJ going, but everyone was kind 41 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: of having to dance in their chair. Well, it seems 42 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: that because there was no dancing, all that was left 43 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: to do for our boyfriends Kate were to them to 44 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: drink or not. 45 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was quite funny. I think reeseus realized that he's. 46 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: A proach thirty pretty quickly now because he has had 47 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: a two day hangover, and I do feel sorry for him. 48 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: But it's quite entertaining because Amy, Sophie and I we 49 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: all don't really drink so and everyone's always like, why 50 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: don't you drink? And I remember having a hangover after 51 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: our best friend's hen's party like three years ago, and 52 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: I haven't drunk since, and I now kind of feel 53 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: for reason. But at the same time, I'm like, well, 54 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: I told you, yeah, but this, this this hangover was 55 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: next level because you said in the middle of the night, 56 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: you woke up to what was a scream. 57 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 2: Oh, he's not going to be happy with me. 58 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, he kind of like screamed whilst he was robbiting, 59 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, are you okay? 60 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 2: So yeah, it was quite funny. We're talking about weddings. 61 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: Did anyone see Tara from The Bachelor's recent wedding? Oh 62 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: my gosh, I loved this so much. I didn't actually 63 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: even know she was engaged, because obviously she got engaged 64 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: on Bachelor in Paradise a couple of years ago, and 65 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: that actually ended really badly, so it's really good to 66 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: see her happy. But I think what I loved most 67 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: was the fact that she served up McDonald's as her 68 00:02:59,440 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: main meal. 69 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: My old boss actually did that. 70 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: She had I think one hundred hamburgers delivered to the 71 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: event right on twelve o'clock, and that's exactly when you 72 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: need a dirty McDonald's burg. I think it's a cool idea. 73 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: I think some of the older people might not be 74 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: into it, but I think who doesn't love McDonald I've 75 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: actually been to some weddings where they have food vans 76 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: instead of the old school servers, and that's really good. 77 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: Oh that gives me an idea. Not that I'm engaged, 78 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: but at my wedding, I think I should have sombreros. 79 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: I think that would be very fitting. Or We're going 80 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: to put a thread in our Facebook community to find 81 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: out what you guys have had at your wedding or 82 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: either your friend's wedding. If there's any out there food desserts. 83 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: We'd love to hear it. Love to get some ideas. 84 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: Not that any of us are engaged, but I'm just 85 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: putting the feelers out there for you know what to 86 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: happen one day. Oh guys, it's me and I'm back 87 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: with my girlfriend Chloe and her best friend Shani. It's 88 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: a reunion twenty twenty was desperately crying out for YouTube royalty. 89 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: Shiny Grimman and Chloe Zepp have reunited after a two 90 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: year feud. Instagram was sent into meltdown after Chloe's partner 91 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: Mitchell Orvil shared a photo of Shanny meeting their baby 92 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: for the first time. Now, Kate, just how big was 93 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: this reunion and how did you feel about it? 94 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: Well? 95 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: I was sent this multiple times and I was actually 96 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: genuinely excited to see this pair back together. We have 97 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: spoken about how we think Shani Grummand is back in 98 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: a big way, and I think her reuniting with Chloe 99 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: Zep is a part of that. It's like the old 100 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: Shane is back. It definitely does. And to prepare for 101 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: this segment, I did a little bit of research, a 102 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: bit of a trip down memory lane, and it made 103 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: me feel really nostalgic going through some of the old 104 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: videos of Shani and Chloe. It's crazy to think that 105 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: we actually met Chloe back in twenty twelve, and that 106 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: was in Shany's first ever video, and it was a 107 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: video where she used Chloe as a model to put 108 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: makeup on her. 109 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 2: Have you guys seen the video? Yeah, I actually do 110 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: remember it. 111 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: I remember rewatching it a few years ago now, and 112 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: it's just crazy to see how young they actually were 113 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: and how that's where it all started from. Yeah, I 114 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: wanted to go back and see what was it about 115 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: them that captivated so many people. And it was really 116 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 1: interesting because they first started off doing a lot of 117 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: challenge videos, so whether it was an accent challenge or 118 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: the being boozled, all these crazy old ones that I'd 119 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: forgotten about. And obviously from there they then started to 120 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: vlog which is where they gained a lot of their popularity. 121 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: Do you guys think a lot of their popularity might 122 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 1: have had something to do with the fact that they 123 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: all had boyfriends and you know, like Chloe was going 124 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: out with Mitchell Orvill who was of course angry was 125 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: at the time. She only started going out with him 126 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: in two thy sixteen. I think it was because they 127 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: were so raw and honest and open. I mean, Shanny 128 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: shared a lot about puberty and embarrassing sex stories, and 129 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: I kind of think they were your typical popular girls 130 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: at school who then came across YouTube and had the 131 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: confidence to actually put things. 132 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 2: Out they were well. 133 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: Actually, I think it was Tumblr that they started on, 134 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: and I'm assuming that what set them apart was the 135 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: fact that they were willing to share all of this 136 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 1: information about their life and a lot of people maybe 137 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: weren't doing that at the time. I feel so old 138 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: because I feel like I missed the whole Tumblr thing. 139 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: We've got a cousin that's probably like six or seven 140 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: years younger, and he was all into Tumblr, but it 141 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: seemed like it went off well. There's a lot of 142 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: social currency, I think on Tumblr at the time, and 143 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: that really put you so that your part has been 144 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: quite popular at school. 145 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: If you were big on Tumblr. 146 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: I feel like it set people up for Instagram because 147 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,720 Speaker 1: it was all about resharing pretentious photos and videos. Well, 148 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: one thing I loved about the old YouTube videos that 149 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: Shanny and Chloe had up was just the background of 150 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 1: the videos. They kept having their perfumes on display. It 151 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: that's so funny, like, I don't know, just took me 152 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: back to that time, and now they've got like full 153 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: YouTube rooms at their houses that are perfect backdrops. It's 154 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: funny how it changes into such a curated thing. Yeah, well, 155 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: I was interested to look into the fact that Chloe 156 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: always seemed like a bit of a background character and 157 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 1: now she's kind of had this career projectory where she's 158 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: an influencer in her own right. And she started her 159 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: YouTube channel two years after Shani, and in the video 160 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: she said that Shani was her inspiration, and it was 161 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: pretty cute because there was a comment from Shani in 162 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: underneath the video saying go close. So is obviously they 163 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: were very supportive of each other from the start. It 164 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: is funny you say that she was somewhat of a 165 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: background character, because three years ago, when I was at 166 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: Melbourne Airport, I actually spotted Shany and Chloe together and 167 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: I embarrassingly asked Chloe if she would take a photo 168 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: of me and Shiny. And now I feel like I 169 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: would actually be fangirling Chloe more. For some reason, I 170 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: feel like I relate more to her transformation, and I 171 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: think she's just so cool and has achieved so much 172 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: at such a young age. Think what I love about 173 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: her also is her no fucks given attitude, but then 174 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: she's also very zen at the same time. Well, I 175 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: think she really grew up a lot when she moved 176 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: to Melbourne to be with Mitchell, and that was in 177 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, and it's really interesting to look at because 178 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: during that time, obviously, being away from a best friend, 179 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: a lot of speculation starts as to whether you're going 180 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: to maintain that long distance friendship. And I feel sorry 181 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 1: for the pair because they constantly had people speculating as 182 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: to whether they were friends because they weren't posting with 183 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: each other anymore. I think one good thing about being 184 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: in Influencers for their friendship was that they got sent 185 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: on a lot of brand trips together, so they had 186 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: that special time where they could actually spend quality time together. 187 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: But I mean, what friendship doesn't go through the difficulties 188 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: when someone moves away, Like our own best friend lives 189 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: in Brisbane and if people would look at our instagrams, 190 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: they'd probably think we weren't friends anymore. 191 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: Well, it's pretty crazy to think because the pair. 192 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: If anyone care, oh that's what I mean, like, no 193 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: one cares. But well, they have actually been friends since 194 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, so over that time, I suppose 195 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: they've really grown and changed a lot, which is understandable. 196 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: So what actually happened because there has been rumors of 197 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: a recent friendship breakdown and then of course they seem 198 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: to be back together. But what happened to cause this 199 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: breakdown in the friendship. Well, I suppose no one knows, 200 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: because I think the classy thing about Shani and Chloe 201 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: was that they kept it offline. I mean, of course, 202 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: there are a lot of rumors floating around. 203 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: They unfollowed each other. 204 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: Well, the infamous feud started back in early twenty nineteen 205 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: after Shanni moved to Melbourne to be with their boyfriend 206 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: at the time, Tommy. So it's rumored that Shane actually 207 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: met Tommy while she and Jonathan were on a break 208 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I found that pretty crazy because there's this 209 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: YouTuber who's friends with Michael Finch and she's called Sheridan O'Malley. 210 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: She doesn't have a large following, but she was spilling 211 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: the tea on this rumored feud. Okay, hang on, let's 212 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: just put it into context. Jonathan is Shany's ex boyfriend, 213 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: Jonathan Sower who is now dating Madison Woolly, and Michael 214 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: Finch is a famous makeup vogga that is best friends 215 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: with Shany. Just because I know, sometimes we talk about 216 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: all these influences and people are like, who are you 217 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: talking about? So just for some context, it's a mum 218 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: at home, like hell, she's trying to draw like. 219 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 2: A mind map of where they all get. 220 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: Actually, maybe we should make a map how everyone's connected. 221 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: So basically, she Shaney and Jonathan. Their relationship ended in 222 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: late twenty eighteen, and we all know that Shiney had 223 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: the infamous breakup. 224 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: Video to break Up two. 225 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: She had her first breakup video, changed her mind, got 226 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: back with Jonathan and then they were rumored to kind 227 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: of separate for some time. In between that time, she 228 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: was supposedly she supposedly met Tommy so tell me was 229 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: the housemate of Chloe and Mitchell. 230 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: And he's also an EXAFL player. 231 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: That's right, And Chloe and Mitchell were signed to his 232 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: influencer agency Zuits, which they are no longer a part of. 233 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: And Mitchell Orville his family is very much into football, 234 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: so that's how the connection also with Tommy Happy well 235 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: of course his dad is Angry Dad who was a 236 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: former AFL player and his brothers have also played AFL 237 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: and they live in Melbourne, so very connected. 238 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 3: Now. 239 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: This YouTuber Sheridan O'Malley. She put up a video claiming, 240 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: as I said, that she's friends with Michael Finch. And 241 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: apparently the word is that Tommy was cheating on Shanny 242 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: and Chloe knew about it. So allegedly Chloe confronted Tommy 243 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: about the rumors, but Shanney told her to stay out 244 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: of it and was very angry that she got involved, 245 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: and because she just moved to Melbourne to be with him, 246 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: she kind of didn't want to hear about it. And 247 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,839 Speaker 1: I suppose when you're young, there are a lot of 248 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: these sort of things like, oh, we're not exclusive, and 249 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: you know they're long distance. 250 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure there are a lot of excuses being made. 251 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: Well, I heard a slightly different rumor that Tommy was 252 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: actually seeing other girls when he and Shanny were talking, 253 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: and Chloe let Shane know once they'd gotten together. Yeah, well, 254 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: because Chloe and Mitch and Tommy all lived together, so 255 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: the rumor was that he was bringing girls back to 256 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: the place and they knew of it but didn't mention 257 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: it to Shane, which is a really awkward position to 258 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: be and because you never want to be the person 259 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: that is telling someone bad news, because often that person 260 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: then turns it on you. Well, this influencer Sheridan O'Malley, 261 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: who put out the video. She claims that Chloe and 262 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: Mitch actually did tell Shanny and also sat her down 263 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: and said, you've got to break up with this guy. 264 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,599 Speaker 2: He's bad news. So I think I think Chloe and 265 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: Mitch would really want the best for her. 266 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: The other room of floating around is to do with 267 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: active wear. Chloe brought out her own active wear line 268 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: called Zep and just as this was about to come out, 269 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 1: Shany got signed as an ambassador to Jim Shark. So 270 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: it said that this caused a lot of tension between 271 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: the two of them. That is a tough one because 272 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: I know those Jim Shark ambassadorships are very lucrative. But 273 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: then if your best friends bringing out activewear and you 274 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: can't even promote it, that creates many issues. Well this 275 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: is off the back of Chloe promoting Shanne's swimwear line. 276 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: All that means said, though, did Shannee not get Chloe 277 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: her career to begin with? 278 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: Oh is sorry, it's the chicken before. 279 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: But is it getting someone's career just having them feature 280 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: in a few YouTube videos? Of course, I'm going to 281 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: get a lot of followers being someone's friend. We've seen 282 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: that with influencer Lily Brown and her friendship with Michael Finch. 283 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: But you've got to continue putting in the work. And 284 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: as we said, Chloe's become more popular when she's kind 285 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: of distanced herself from the Shane groom and brand and 286 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: become her own person. Well, I just personally think that 287 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: it's a business at the end of the day. I 288 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: do think that it becomes difficult if you can't promote 289 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: your friend's brand. But then at the same time, I 290 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: feel like you should be a cheerleader for your friends 291 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: when they become an ambassador as well. 292 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 2: It's a tricky situation. 293 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: What about Mitchell Orville's sister Hannah. Remember she rocked up 294 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: last week to see the baby and she was wearing 295 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: a different active wear brand and Mitchell put up an 296 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: instant story of her and he blacked out the brand 297 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: and in his blog he said, next time, you've got 298 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: to be wearing Zepp if your own sister can't even 299 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: wear your brand in the wash. All motives aside, because 300 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: we've got a stress. They are just rumors that are 301 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: floating around. We actually don't know what happened, but I 302 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: feel like having a friendship breakdown in your early. 303 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 2: To mid twenties is kind of normal. 304 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: I feel like every girl's been through it, and I 305 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: think what's amazing about it is that they've actually come 306 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: out of the other side and become friends again. Well 307 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: that's where it gets really interesting, because Shanny did announce 308 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: her split from Tommy a couple of weeks ago, and 309 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: since then, as we mentioned, a photo has e merged 310 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: of Shanny meeting Chloe's baby artists. 311 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 2: Now, this has made. 312 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: The rumor a little bit stronger that it did have 313 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: something to do with Tommy timing. Yeah, and the timing 314 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: is so interesting, And I feel like what is even 315 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: more interesting that we sort of touched on earlier in 316 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: the episode is the fact that this transformation of Shanny, 317 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: she seems to be going back to what she used 318 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: to be like when she was at her peak of popularity, 319 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: the real girl next door, relatable type. It kind of 320 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: feels like Tommy was a part of her decline in popularity. 321 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: I don't even know if it was necessarily him. I 322 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: feel like it was the fact that she moved away 323 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: from her family, moved away from her friends. I mean 324 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: Michael Finch moved down to Brisbane basically to collaborate with her, 325 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: and then she left and went to Melbourne. Like on 326 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: that side of things, that might have caused a bit 327 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: of a friendship breakdown as well. So you're going through 328 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: this difficult time losing a lot of friends. Of course 329 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: you're going to be down and upset and not want. 330 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 2: To share about your life. 331 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: But clearly Tommy didn't want to be involved in her content. 332 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: And if she's in Melbourne just with Tommy, what the heck? 333 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: If she meant deposed to that's surprising in itself. He 334 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: runs her management company, it would be in his best 335 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: interest to be the videos and promote, but he was 336 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: all about sales, all those clothing halls. I feel like 337 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: a down to his business making money from her. But 338 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: you say that, but people are pretty smart and they 339 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: can clue onto when people are trying to piggyback off 340 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: other people's fame. So I think that it's actually quite good. 341 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: He didn't force himself to be in the videos, no, 342 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: but we all wanted him. You want to see who 343 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: Shany's boyfriend is. Anyone's loving Josh and saying that when 344 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: I was going through my trip down Memory Lane. I 345 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: love watching the videos of Shane and Jonathan. He was 346 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: like a different person. I know we've touched on this before. 347 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: He was so lovely in the videos, so cute. It 348 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: is interesting how those sorts of different relationships bring out 349 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: elements of people. I was going to say though, on 350 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: the topic of Shanney being in Melbourne. Wasn't it just 351 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: such a shame the fact that she was finally in 352 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: Melbourne with her best friend Chloe and they weren't friends. Well, 353 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: that's what made the feud even more obvious, because you'd 354 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: think that they'd be doing a lot together. And then 355 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: of course Chloe and Mitch moved to Brisbane, back to 356 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: Chloe's hometown, and then it's quite funny how it's all 357 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: worked out. Can I ask you, guys question, what do 358 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: you think of Sheridan O'Malley, the YouTuber who's apparently friends 359 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: with Michael Finch. What do you think about her coming 360 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: out and sort of spilling all this tea. Well, she 361 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: only has one thousand subscribers, so it's not like she's 362 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: a big time influencer. It's clear she's trying to get 363 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: clout by talking about this and aligning herself with these 364 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: big name influencers. I do think there's elements of truth 365 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: to it. Apparently she's a Bondai Sand's ambassador and has 366 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: been on a few trips and events with them, So. 367 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: I'd be pissed off if I was Shani. 368 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: It's a bit of a stupid move because we've seen 369 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: how beneficial it is to roll around in those circles 370 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: of influencers and how YouTube can become an influencer and 371 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: gain a lot of money from those sorts of friendships. 372 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: I'm wondering why she decided to do that. 373 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: I've probably been cut out of the friendship group. And 374 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: I think the juxtaposition that with the fact that Shani 375 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: and Chloe kept quiet on YouTube and Instagram about the feud, 376 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: it showed that they really had grown up, and it 377 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: also showed how important their friendship is to one another 378 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: as well. 379 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: I mean, even the fact that Shanny didn't. 380 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: Do a big breakup video like she did with Jonathan, 381 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: it shows how much they've grown up. I do think 382 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: that Shanny has been quite classy about all of these 383 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: sorts of things, and this will probably not be a 384 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: video she'll be putting out. I did a bit of 385 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: digging just to finish up on I did some digging 386 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: because I wanted to know when this friendship got back 387 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: on track, because it's surely not she's just suddenly gone 388 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: over and visited the baby. I looked on both of 389 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: their pages to see when they started liking one another's 390 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: photos again, and it happened in early August. Now, this 391 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: was right at the end of Chloe's pregnancy, which made 392 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 1: me think that maybe when you've friends with someone for 393 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: so long and it's such an important moment in their 394 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: life becoming a mum, maybe it just made her put 395 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: everything aside and just say, hey, this is enough, we 396 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: don't want to miss out on these things anymore. 397 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: Together. 398 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: Well, so, people's hormones are all over the place. You're 399 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: feeling emotional, you're getting nostalgic, So that potentially could be 400 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: what's burned on. She probably broke up with Tommy then 401 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: and then reached out. I mean, to be fair, Sharney 402 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: did say on her latest YouTube that they had been 403 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: broken up for a few months. Yeah, what's happened is 404 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: they've broken her. She's gone and gone to Chloe and said, 405 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: oh my god, everything you said about him was correct 406 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: and they've bonded over it and they've forgiven each other. 407 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 2: That is what makes sense. 408 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, because on a recent video she said 409 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: that she's still working with Tommy and they're still great friends, 410 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: which had all the time as a pr response, do 411 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: you know what, I love the fact that you can 412 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: have this ongoing feud with the girl. There can be 413 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: so many messages back and forth that are kind of passive, 414 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: aggressive and rude, but as soon as someone says I'm 415 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: sorry and I love you and blah blah blah, it's 416 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: all forgiven. Well, I for one, I'm so excited to 417 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: see if they do a video together again. 418 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 3: Me too. 419 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: Well, it's sort of interesting to see how they fit 420 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: that together, because, as we said, Chloe has had such 421 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: an evolution in the last few years. She's gone from 422 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: being infamously filmed pissing at school is on the side 423 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: of the road to now being like a spiritual. 424 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: Earth mother in saying that Kate. 425 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: When I was watching her first ever video, it was 426 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: actually pretty cute because someone asked her about where she 427 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 1: sees herself in the future, and this was sixteen year o'. 428 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: Chloe said, I really want to have a family, right now. Oh, 429 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: so it's something that she's always wanted to do. Well, 430 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: As we said, bring the videos on, because I have 431 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: been loving seeing Shanny vlogging with the new and improved 432 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: Michael Finch, who is suddenly woke. So it's going to 433 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: be very interesting to see how those three even all 434 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: fit together. 435 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: And by the way, why are you apostrophere means you are? 436 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 3: Why do you are? Means your You know. 437 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 2: I can believe I even thought I'm getting back together 438 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: with you. We are so over. 439 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: Fine by man. 440 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: Now let's get into our influence abound Kate. What's the 441 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: first story. Let's talk about Bella from The Bachelor. Now, 442 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: it has been a big week for her, obviously having 443 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: her heart broken on national television. 444 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 2: Her infamous line as well, can I leave now? It 445 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 2: was a very good question. 446 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: She dodged a bullet for goodness, say she's the lucky one. 447 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 2: She really did well. 448 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: What I found most interesting was when she posted her 449 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: kind of farewell to the Bachelor on Instagram. Just how 450 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: many blue ticks were among the comments. Now, I know 451 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: the so dramatic podcast has kind of portrayed her as 452 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: only chasing blue tick boyfriends, but it seems to have 453 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: gone across into her friendship. 454 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: Group as well. 455 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: So when I was having a little bit of a 456 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: look at the comments, I was quite surprised how many 457 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: famous people popped up. So former Miss Universe Teagan Martin wrote, 458 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: you handled it than so many would have with a 459 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: love heart. There was also former Big Brother contestant Tully 460 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: Smythe commenting makeup guru and og influencer Los Curtis left 461 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: a message jar Day Tunci wrote, I'm so proud of you, 462 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: beautiful girl. You have so much love to give, and 463 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: I know one day a very lucky guy is going 464 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: to cherish that wholeheartedly and treat you the way you deserve. 465 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: Love you, and jar Day's boyfriend also commented who has 466 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: a blue tick? Steph Claire Smith wrote handled well, bell 467 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: and Bella responded, thank you, beautiful human. Love Island's Cassidy wrote, 468 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: love you so much, be so proud of you. Alex 469 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: Nation also wrote a message Connie from Maths everyone I 470 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: know I started lineup, I know, and there were also 471 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: some people that had blue ticks that I kind of 472 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: looked at that I don't know who they are, Tara 473 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: milk Tree and Isabel Mathis, but they both have one 474 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: point three million followers. 475 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 2: I'm guessing what a lot of people know who they are? 476 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: And how was she friends with all these people? 477 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: Well, she's also following Sammy Robinson and Sammy's following her back. 478 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: Isn't she also friends with Laura Burr. Yes, she's also 479 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: friends with Laura Burn. We just saw on the Life 480 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: Uncut podcast Instagram that she will be appearing on their podcast. 481 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: She has so many powerful friends. 482 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: Well, I heard Laura speaking on the Life Uncut podcast 483 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: and she said that she met Bella out at an 484 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: influencer event. So I'm assuming hearing those names, a lot 485 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: of those girls are probably all at the same event 486 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: and that's how they've become friends. Well, she had a 487 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: following before going on the show. That's why she was 488 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: being invited to those events. She's now probably got what 489 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: she wanted. She's cracked the one hundred thousand on Instagram. 490 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: It's all worth it. Oh, I mean sorry, but like 491 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: everyone always sort of likes to throw shit on people 492 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: who go on The Bachelor for fame, Bit, why the 493 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: hell else are. 494 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: You going on? 495 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: There? Ya going on to meet if you've seen the show, 496 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: There's no way you're going on there thinking I'm in 497 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: this for love, thinking I'm going to. 498 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 2: Get a bit of a following god on her. 499 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: If that's her intention of going on there, she's probably 500 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 1: gonna have a great career. 501 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 3: Out of it. 502 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: Well. Another person with a blue tick that she has 503 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: been spotted hanging around is Nathan, who was formerly on 504 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: Ali's season of the Bachelorette and also Bachelor in Paradis 505 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: So ancestral now. 506 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: The pair was spotted. 507 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: Out with jar Da Tuinci and also Beck from Locky 508 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: season of the bachelot The funniest thing is they're all matching. 509 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: They're like color coordinated. They're all wearing white with then 510 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: tinges of beige. And was it a cheeky clothing sponsor 511 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: or something, Oh my gosh. Sorry, that just cements the 512 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 1: fact that they called the paparazzi. Who is going out 513 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: dressed like that? If you're papped, you're normally papped, you know, legitimately, 514 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: if your dress like an absolute darrow down at the 515 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: shops like these are people who are not who know 516 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: that go out, so they're obviously not going to be dressed. 517 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 1: But who's sponning jar Day Twinci, Like, of course we 518 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: know who she is being you know. 519 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: That describing Bellot. They're not spawning Johnette. 520 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: That was the funniest thing because Jarda actually posted the 521 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: paparazzi photos and she said it was her first time 522 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: being papped, but she was paying herself out because she 523 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: kind of looks like she's trying to quickly catch up 524 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: with the cool kids. Now, let's get onto the next story. 525 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: This one is about former Love Island star Seana Phillips. 526 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 1: Now apparently she's rumored to be dating Jack Fincham, who 527 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: was also on Love Island, but he was on Love 528 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: Island Series three and he ended up winning the show 529 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: with Danny Dyer. I actually think they make a really 530 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: good couple. 531 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense to me. 532 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just happy that it's not a bloody scaffolder 533 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: because she didn't have much luck with them on the show. No. Well, 534 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: what sparked all the rumors is that when Shawna was 535 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: on Love Island, Jack actually tweeted saying he was keen 536 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: to take her on a date. And now they have 537 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: the same management, so Shawna's teased that they might be 538 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: seeing each other now and then, So who knows what's 539 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: going to happen, but I would love to see these. 540 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 2: Two get together. 541 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: The next story that's popped up in my newsfeed is 542 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: about og influencer Britney Saunders. Now, Brittany went on an 543 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: instant story to call out a woman who had DMed her, saying, 544 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,639 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you look good, but you need to 545 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: lose weight. Love so she DMed Brittany this after Brittany 546 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: shared a photo of her in her latest swimwear collection. 547 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: I actually thought this was amazing of Brittany to do. 548 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: The thing that I find most surprising about this is 549 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: that the woman had her business link to this Instagram account. 550 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: Why on earth. 551 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: Would you be calling out one anyone in the first place, 552 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: but two when your business is connected to it. Well, 553 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: Brittany's not the only influencer to name and shame trolls. 554 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: It seems to be quite a trend that's appearing, and 555 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: I think it's one that's going to be sticking around 556 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: for a while. The thing is, I don't mind if 557 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 1: people name and shame adults, but I have seen influences 558 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: in the past who've called out children, and I feel 559 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: like it's got to be a case by case thing. 560 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean, not just call everybody out because there are 561 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: huge ramifications that could have for people's mental health. As 562 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: you say, mental health is a huge one. But at 563 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: the same time, if these influencers are being relentlessly trolled, 564 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: how is their mental health? If there any power is 565 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: of them calling this person out, making them accountable for 566 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: their actions, I say go for it. Yeah, but it's 567 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: really hard to know who is who online. I mean, 568 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: how do we know how old people are. Some fourteen 569 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: year olds look about twenty years old. Well, there was 570 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: the case where Clementine Ford called out a schoolboy for 571 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: harassing her, and I do think it is positive to 572 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: sometimes call people out that that. In that instance, I 573 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 1: don't feel like a thirteen year old boy really knows 574 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 1: what he's doing on the internet. I mean, think about 575 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: stupid shit you did when you were thirteen. 576 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: Think about the lesson that that's taught him. Never to 577 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 2: speak to another woman like that. 578 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: Again, there are a lot of extenuating situations. Sometimes I 579 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: feel like it's just better to privately message the person 580 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: and say, hey, just let you know I am a 581 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: real person behind here, and that doesn't well, that opens 582 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: up a whole conversation back and forth where that persons 583 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: so excited that they finally got your attention that they 584 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: then just write back abuse. Sometimes the safer thing to 585 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: do is to post up the message that the individuals sent, 586 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: but to black out their name because they're still getting 587 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: the shock that their message is visible. Well, in the 588 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,360 Speaker 1: case of Britney Saunders, I think she did a really 589 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: good job. As I said, I think it's just a 590 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: tricky one. You can't just shame everybody because you don't 591 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: know what the ramifications are going to be. 592 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 3: I like to have a cigarette on the tour at Yeah, 593 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 3: I want to have a cigarette on the tourlet. 594 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 2: But when I want the cigarette, I formed a weird 595 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: TapIt is it when you have an Oh, it could 596 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: be for all. 597 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: A man labeled the bond Eye Tinder creep has been 598 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: sacked after vile, abusive messages he sent two women on 599 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: the app were revealed online. A woman called Ebanie Sanderson 600 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: bravely took to Instagram to share the barrage of snapchats 601 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: and voice messages Thomas mckirk sent her, which sparked another 602 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: woman to come forward. Now, Amy, can you talk us 603 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: through what happened because it's rather disturbing. Yeah, I was 604 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: really disgusted by this story. So, this poor woman Ebity, 605 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: she matched with this creep on Tinder and they chatted 606 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: for a little while, and he seemed completely normal, and 607 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: his whole demeanor changed as soon as she refused to 608 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: come over to his house and send photos. And when 609 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: I say refused, she politely declined. And when you say 610 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: send photos, did you mean nudes? 611 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 2: Well it really. 612 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: Wasn't specified, but I'm assuming so so he flipped when 613 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: she said she couldn't come over to his house, and 614 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: he sent some vile messages, one where he called her 615 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: a disgusting fat pig. Well, I think we need to 616 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: actually insert the messages here because I had read the 617 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: article and it wasn't until the messages were actually played 618 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: out loud in his voice that it just sent chills 619 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: down my spine. This is the thing that I can't 620 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: understand how someone has the confidence to send a voicemail 621 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: like that. It's disgusting and the arrogance yea in the message. 622 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: So this is what the messages said. 623 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 3: Okay, enjoy your night, I won't don't want to waste 624 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 3: him your time. Okay, Well, you're actually a fat fucking pig, 625 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 3: you know that? So thanks, you did waste my time. 626 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 3: You're fucking ugly, your ass looks okay, and you would 627 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 3: have been one fuck. You would have been just one fuck, 628 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 3: and that would have been it, because you're a disgusting 629 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 3: fat pig. Look, if you don't have issues, if you 630 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 3: call out someone for being a ship person, you're repeat 631 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 3: the ship and you're fat and you're ugly and you're 632 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 3: inside and the outside. And I say that the ship 633 00:27:53,920 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 3: people good people a treat. Well, anyway, look at my 634 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 3: fucking face. I don't have struggle getting laid. I turned 635 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: down a chick tonight. Um, so yeah, I choose not 636 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 3: to masturbate. I choose not to come a lot. And look, 637 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 3: you just called me hot five minutes ago, saying you 638 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 3: think I don't need to get laid. I don't get laid. 639 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 3: You're right, I don't get laid, and I especially don't 640 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 3: need a four like you to get laid. 641 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 2: What a vile, vile people. Well, I think he'll be 642 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 2: struggling to get laid after these messages. 643 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: It was such a contradiction because he says how great 644 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 1: he isn't it he can get laid so easily, But 645 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: then he's basically begging this woman to come over to 646 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: his house, and when she politely declines the offer, he 647 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: then goes nuts. And the only thing that comes to 648 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: mind is calling her fan ugly because at the end 649 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: of the day, that's all women are either something to 650 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: look at. Okay, she was ugly on the inside as well, 651 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: apparently to him and A four. Well, the worst thing 652 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: was that she blocked him from Instagram and Snapchat after 653 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: receiving these messages, and he went and created another account 654 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: and continue to harass her online. 655 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: What's wrong with this man? Apparently he's not bothered yet 656 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: he has enough time to create a fake account. 657 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: Well, ebon, he took to Instagram to out this guy, 658 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: and so many other women have come forward. 659 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 3: Well. 660 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: To be honest, I wasn't surprised because I have been 661 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: a member of the now defunct abby chatfield group and 662 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: the amount of women sharing the hideous things that men 663 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: would say to them on dating apps just to get 664 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: a laugh was so horrifying. I mean, it's bad enough 665 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: having to go and put yourself out there on a 666 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: dating app, not to get trolled by dickhead men who 667 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: were looking for a laugh. But can you imagine how 668 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: aggressive he would have been if she'd gone to his 669 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: house as well, Like, that's terrifying that this monster is 670 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 1: out there just objectifying women in this way as well. Well, 671 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: fortunately there was a good thing to come out of 672 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: this story, and that is that this guy's boss heard 673 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: the voicemails, immediately identified him as. 674 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 2: His worker and fired him. Yeah. 675 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: Well, a number of the women contacted his boss, and 676 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 1: I do want to give a shout out. His name 677 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: is David Scott and he sacked this guy within half 678 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: an hour of hearing the voicemails. 679 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: I asked what his job was. How was this individual 680 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: employed in the first place. 681 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: Well, he worked at a logistics firm called Invenco and 682 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: apparently he'd only been there for six weeks. Well, there's 683 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: obviously a lot of misplaced aggression going on. Not that 684 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: that is an excuse, but it's quite scary that these 685 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: men have the platforms to prey on women like this 686 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: and to abuse them. 687 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: It is really disgusting. 688 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: I just want to focus on his boss for a second, 689 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: because I think this was a fantastic pr move by 690 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: the business. He put out a statement and he said 691 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: there is just no place in a workplace for someone 692 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: who treats women with that amount of disrespect. I have 693 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: four daughters aged between ten months and nine years old, 694 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: so that was one of the first things I thought about, 695 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: and my blood boiled to imagine someone ever speaking. 696 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: To one of my little girls like that. 697 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: Because so many times you hear of people doing the 698 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: wrong thing at work, and often the work just backs 699 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: the man in the situation. So for someone to actually 700 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: go nup this is not good enough, I think that 701 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: is absolutely amazing. Will you juxtaposition that with the way 702 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: the AFL completely protected someone like Wayne Carey after his 703 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: string of domestic violence I've got to say alleged a 704 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: domestic of violence. But there's been a lot of backlash 705 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: against Hinder because a lot of people have said that 706 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: they've complained and this man has been reported and he's 707 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,719 Speaker 1: still showing up in the app. But there's a lot 708 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: of misinformation going on because some people have said today 709 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: that he's finally been banned. But do you guys think 710 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: that the apps should do more to protect people from 711 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: creeps like this? 712 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 2: It's really hard. 713 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: I suppose once the connection is made and then you 714 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: move on to a completely new platform like Instagram. I mean, 715 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: I wonder if there would be some sort of encrypting 716 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: details that can be put in place so that abusive 717 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 1: messages that contain swear, swearing and abusive. 718 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 2: Language can be vetted somewhat. 719 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: I mean on Instagram, I mean really scary, because you 720 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: could meet someone in the old fashioned way in a 721 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: bar and not know that they're this sort of psychotic 722 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: as well. So I think you've really got to trust 723 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: your gut instinct sometimes with these people. And obviously she 724 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,080 Speaker 1: did so by turning him down. But I do think 725 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: that the app does have a responsibility for the safety 726 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: of its users, and if this man has been reported, 727 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: he should be removed because from what I understand, it 728 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: is quite easy to get banned from Tinder, and I 729 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: do think it is quite easy to get banned on Tinder. 730 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: It's funny you say that, because one of my good 731 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: friends who's married, he decided to set up a Tinder 732 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: profile just to see what it's like, and he is 733 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: his wife would have known and he is the funniest guy. 734 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: So he actually posted a photo of himself I think 735 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: it was in a little bow tie and a g string, 736 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: and he got banned straight away, and then he tried 737 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: to fight back, but Yeah, like Abby Chatfield talks about 738 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: constantly getting banned from it because people think she's pretending 739 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: to be herself. Well, I definitely think that there are 740 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: obviously rules and procedures in place to deal with people 741 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: like that. But I think that reporting someone it does 742 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: need to be taken seriously, and I'm great glad that 743 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,479 Speaker 1: this creep is no longer on there. Well, the other 744 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,479 Speaker 1: positive that's come out of the story is the message 745 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: about power in numbers. So I love the fact that 746 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: Ebonie came forward and she spoke out about this guy, 747 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: and then a lot of women came to her support. 748 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: So one of those women was Clementine Ford, and she's 749 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: been very vocal about Tom on her Instagram and also 750 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: on her Facebook, and you know, subsequently, so many other 751 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: women have come forward to tell their story. So I 752 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: think it's an important lesson. Well, I think it's incredibly 753 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: brave that she put these messages out there about herself 754 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: and stood up for herself, and I really. 755 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 2: Hope we see more women doing this. 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