1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, Sky Wheatley's television rebrand, the 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 1: Iconic Spy Sculls reunion, Taylor Swift's situationship, and why people 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: are asking TikTok how old they look? Hello, and welcome 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: to Outspoken. It's your dose of the hottest influencer and 5 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: pop culture news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbough. 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: And I'm Kate Torbert and apologies in advance of my 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: croaky voice. I am at the back end of having 8 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: COVID and I am so excited to be back. There 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: is so much to talk about today. 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is just the two of us today, but 11 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: I really want to talk to you about the rebrand 12 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: that Sky Wheatley is finding herself in at the moment. So, 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: the controversial influencer was just crowned the winner of I'm 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: a Celebrity, Get Me out of Here, beating out Callum 15 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: Hole and Tristan McManus to win one hundred thousand dollars 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: for her charity, Bully Zero. Now it is clear that 17 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: her personality does suit a television audience rather than social 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: media audience. Why do you think that is, Kate? 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: Look, I think a big part of it is the 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 2: post production and editing, because on TV shows like I'm 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: a Celeb and Big Brother, a person's edit really does 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: come down to the producers. And I think Sky is 23 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 2: perfect talent for TV because she says a lot of 24 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: funny things and if edited correctly, it can come across 25 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 2: as very endearing and lovable. I mean, we saw her 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: be so successful and Big Brother for that same reason. However, 27 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 2: when Sky is in control of her own edit like 28 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: she is online, she doesn't have the foresight to moderate herself, 29 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 2: which has landed her in hot water time and time again. 30 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: And if you're an avid viewer of her YouTube channel, 31 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 2: you will know she rarely ever edits that content. And 32 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: it's the same when she puts up Instagram stories. She'll 33 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 2: put up all of these things just immediately online without 34 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 2: a thought of what she's actually said, and always comes 35 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: to bite her in the ass. 36 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I totally agree, Kay, and I think this Sky 37 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: has the producers to thank for this edit, because when 38 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: you are working on a show like this, there's always 39 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: a hero and a villain. I think that Sky was 40 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: cast really well as the hero, the sort of up 41 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: and coming hero that no one expected. Now there has 42 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: been a lot of talk about how Britt Hockley didn't 43 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: get the best editor on the show, and I saw 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: a lot of commentary from her fan base saying that 45 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: she was barely shown and they didn't really show her 46 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: personality very well. 47 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty interesting because when I saw the cast lineup, 48 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 2: and if I had been forced to put money on it, 49 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: I would have said that Britt Hockley would have done 50 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: better than Sky Wheatley. And it's not saying that brit 51 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: didn't do very well. I think she finished in the 52 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 2: top five. However, Sky really stole the show. And it's 53 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: interesting because Britt Hockley is just such a lovable person 54 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: on podcasts and on radio. However, it didn't seem to 55 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: transfer across onto TV. I mean, she's been on a 56 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: lot of reality TV shows before. It is interesting that 57 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: she wasn't given such a favorable edit as Sky was. 58 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: If you take a look back at some of Sky's 59 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: passed indiscretions, there's been comments that are racist, There's been 60 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: comments about domestic violence. There's some very offensive things that 61 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: have been said. I do wonder if Channel ten edited 62 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: out any offensive comments because they didn't want to be 63 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: blamed for featuring these comments or platforming someone who makes 64 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: these types of comments. 65 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: It's interesting you say that so because she did reveal 66 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 2: on I'm a Celeb that she was actually chosen for 67 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: Big Brother All Stars back in twenty twenty two, and 68 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: she was actually kicked off the show last minute because 69 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: she put up this very controversial Q and A where 70 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: she spoke about consent with her partner Lockie War And 71 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: it's interesting that Channel seven didn't want to take the 72 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: gamble on her, but Channel ten did. And I think 73 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: it comes down to the style of TV show. Because 74 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 2: I'm a Celebrity, it's a family show, it's not a 75 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: family time slot. It's a certain demographic that watch it, 76 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: and they, as you said, they want to polish it 77 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: so it's really nice, family friendly. I know they sometimes 78 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: do have villains on there, but they want to feel 79 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: good show. Whereas if she had been put on a 80 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: show like Big Brother or Maths, I think she would 81 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: have got a completely different edit. 82 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: It's interesting that Channel seven, of all networks, chose not 83 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: to align themselves with Sky Wheatley after comments about consent, 84 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: yet they will platform people like Wayne Kerrey on the 85 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: football broadcast. It seems all a bit contradictory. 86 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: Exactly, Ben Cousins as well on Dancing with m Yes. 87 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: I think Sky Wheatly's win also comes down to the 88 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: target demographic who is watching this show. Most millennials and 89 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: jen Zetters don't watch free to air television. It is 90 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: a lot of families and maybe boomers watching this show, 91 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: and those are the demographics that I think would align 92 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 1: with Sky and just find her comments funny and lovable, 93 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: and they wouldn't necessarily know about her indiscretions or maybe 94 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: have a problem with those indiscretions. 95 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the i'ma Celeb audience are known 96 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: for being ultra woke, and as you said, I think 97 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: that she fits in perfectly with the demographic. She is 98 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: a lovable girl when she is edited down and if 99 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: not to take anything away from Sky because it is 100 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: nice to see her in this environment. I know she 101 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: absolutely loves reality TV and I think everyone should be 102 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: allowed to have a redemption and it's going to be 103 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: interesting to see how it goes from here. So it's 104 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: been very successful from a social media perspective because I 105 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 2: had a look at her social blade and over the 106 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: last thirty days she's attracted thirty thousand new followers. So 107 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: at the start of the year we were talking about 108 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 2: how she was losing followers rapidly, so it'll be interesting 109 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: to see if she can hold onto that new fan base. 110 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: I think this win will open her up to more 111 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: mainstream brand deals, maybe brands that are targeted more towards families. 112 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: It'll be really interesting to see where her career goes 113 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: from here. When Abby Chatfield one I'm a celebri couple 114 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: of years ago, it really did put her on the map, 115 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: and she got her own radio show. She got a 116 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: heap more opportunities that I don't think she would have 117 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: got if she didn't appear on that show. 118 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have heard Sky mentioned. I think it 119 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: was on Lily Brown's podcast that she's interested in doing 120 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 2: her own podcast. I think that she needs to get 121 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 2: a network behind her that takes care of all of 122 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: the productions, similar to what Indi Clinton is doing at 123 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: the moment, and then they just need her as the 124 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: talent and then to edit her. 125 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: I don't think we need any more influencer podcast. I 126 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: think that maybe she would be more suited to a 127 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: hosting gig, something where there is actually a script involved. 128 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: See. I don't think she's got on script at all. 129 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: I think you would lose what people love about her. 130 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: I think though, that she just needs heavy editing. 131 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: The Spy Skills have reunited at Victoria Beckham's fiftieth birthday 132 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: party in London. Now. The party took place at the 133 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: Oswald's Private Members Club in Mayfair and it was a 134 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: star studded event with all five Spy Skills there as 135 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: well as Tom Cruise, Selma Hayek and Gordon Ramsey. And 136 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: it was David Beckham who broke the Internet by sharing 137 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: the iconic reunion. So in the post he wrote I 138 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: mean come on and shared vision of the Spy Scals 139 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: singing and doing the iconic dance moves to their hit Stop. 140 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 2: I knew you would be obsessed with this. I knew 141 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: this was going to be on the show. It was 142 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: absolutely iconic and what I love the most about it 143 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: is they're just like everyone else. Of course they're going 144 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: to have Stop on their dance floor at a party. 145 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well they didn't appear to be using microphone, so 146 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: they weren't up on a stage performing for everyone. They 147 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: were just having fun on the dance floor and David 148 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: was also singing along in the video. It was so 149 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: funny because Victoria responded in the comments section saying, best 150 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: night ever, Happy birthday to me. I love you also 151 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: much hashtag spice uf your life. 152 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 2: This is such a tease because Victoria Beckham, she's always 153 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: been the one that seems to be holding back this 154 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: Spy Scales reunion. 155 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: Could we get begetting it? Well? The video does come 156 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: off the back of melb teasing a Spy Scales project 157 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. So back in January, she 158 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: told the media, We're actually going to be releasing some 159 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: really good news in a few weeks that involves all 160 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: five of us, and she confirmed that fans would be 161 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: one hundred percent satisfied with the news, and she described 162 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: it as a gift that keeps on giving. I mean, 163 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: we are now in April and it's not clear what 164 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: they're releasing. But back in March, Melby did follow up 165 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: her comments and said this is going to be really 166 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: good for fans and the fans are going to be 167 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: really happy about it. So what exactly they have planned 168 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: we don't know yet. Potentially, could it be Spicewell two 169 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: or are we going to see another tour I don't know, 170 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: but I'm very excited. 171 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 2: I do think David and Victorious Tiktoks are the best 172 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 2: place to be dropping these type of stories for the 173 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: Spy Scales because since the doco they have been dropping 174 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: some iconic videos on there and I just think that 175 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: this is so cool because it seems very organic. Yeah, 176 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: it is getting people talking. 177 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: Well, even the book makers are getting in on it. 178 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: One has slashed the odds on an official Spy Scale 179 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: reunion in twenty twenty four and also a Glastonbury performance 180 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: and a new album in twenty twenty five. Wouldn't that 181 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: be epic? I mean, I can sort of see it 182 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,479 Speaker 1: happening with the success of the Beckham documentary because everyone 183 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: is here for that nineties nostalgia we've all brought back 184 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: into the Spy Sculls again. 185 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: I think now would be the absolute perfect timing for 186 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: that type of reunion. Now, there was another iconic moment 187 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 2: at Victoria's fiftieth so perhaps captured the moment where David 188 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: piggybacked Victoria out of the event, And at first I 189 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: thought this must be a move from brand Beckham to 190 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: show just how loved up the couple still are. But 191 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: then I realized Victoria actually broke her foot in a 192 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: gym accident in February, so she legitimately needs crutches. She 193 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 2: did ditch the crutches in all of her birthday photos, 194 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: but was photographed entering the event with them. She's also 195 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: been using one of those little scooters to get around 196 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: in where her legs just up on the scooter, and 197 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: I think she just thought that that was not the 198 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: vibe she wanted for her fiftieth birthday. Yes, I think 199 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: it's much more chic for David Beckham to be piggybacking 200 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: her being one of those little scooters. Now, there have 201 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: been plenty of headlines the fact that Brooklyn Beckham's wife 202 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 2: was not in attendance at Victoria's fiftieth So, as you do, 203 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: Victoria took a lot of professional photos of her and 204 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: her family altogether dressed up for the event. However, Nicola 205 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: Peltz Beckham was a notable absent tee, and it does 206 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: play into these consistent headlines that we've been seeing that 207 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: there is a feud between the pair, and that all 208 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 2: of course kicked off around Nicola and Brooklyn's twenty twenty 209 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 2: two wedding. It is hard to believe that with nearly 210 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: two years ago, I thought they were all over it, 211 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: considering they were playing happy families at Christmas on TikTok. 212 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: Well, it was all apparently around her wedding dress, because 213 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: apparently she was set to wear one of Victoria Beckham's designs, 214 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: So her wedding dress was going to be by Victoria's 215 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: fashion label, but then at the last minute she changed 216 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: her mind and wore a Valentino gown. 217 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: It's nice to know that, even when you're really rich 218 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 2: and really famous, that there's always some sort of feud 219 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 2: going on behind the scenes when you're planning for a wedding, 220 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 2: because can you imagine if your mother and law or 221 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: basically told you what you had to wear. I mean, 222 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 2: I do understand is Victoria Beckham, so she obviously is 223 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 2: a fashion god. But I can kind of see where 224 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 2: Nichola's coming from that she might have wanted to wear 225 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: something different. 226 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: Well, she also barred Victoria from any of the wedding planning, 227 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: and maybe that's because Nichola saw what Victoria wore for 228 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: her own wedding or the theving. I'm not quite sure that. 229 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it is iconic now I can see why 230 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: you would want to call your own shots and have 231 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: your own style. But I don't like the fact that 232 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: apparently she didn't have Victoria and David at the head 233 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: of the table, so apparently it seemed like the wedding 234 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: was very centered on the Peltz family and that's what 235 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: caused a lot of dramas. And it's also alleged that 236 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: Nichola stormed out mid reception in tears because apparently Mark Anthony, 237 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: who just happened to be at their wedding, he delivered 238 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: a very gushing speech about Victoria, and there were reports 239 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: that Nichola didn't like the attention not being on her. Again, 240 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: these are all allegations. We don't know how true any 241 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: of this is. 242 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: Coming off the back of three family weddings, I can 243 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: see how this has turned into a complete shit storm. Again. 244 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: I am team Victoria, but I do think it would 245 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: be harder for you and Nikola if your whole wedding 246 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: was about your in laws in the sense that they're 247 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 2: so famous, then they of course would eclipse everything that 248 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 2: you're doing. And if there'd been all this infighting going 249 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 2: on and then someone gets up and makes a speech 250 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 2: about how great Victoria is at your own wedding, I 251 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: can see how you might actually have a meltdown. 252 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, but her wedding was held at a parents' house, 253 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: so she was sort of on home territory, and it 254 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: seemed like the Beckhams were very much pushed to the side. Again, 255 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, like maybe that was a 256 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: strategy by her so that it was actually about her 257 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: and Brooklyn. Well, the pair did seem to really turn 258 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: a page in September twenty twenty two, when Nikola appeared 259 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: a Victoria's fashion show, and then in January twenty twenty three, 260 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: Victoria shared a birthday post for Nicola, and since then 261 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: on their socials they have looked like my best friends. 262 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: They're always posing alongside each other and sharing very gushing 263 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: comments about how much they love each other. And it's 264 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: quite clear that Nikola knew that the rumor mill was 265 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: going to spring into action if she didn't appear at 266 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: Victoria's birthday party, so she shared an Instagram story explaining 267 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: why she didn't attend. So she shared a photo of 268 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: her in Victoria and said happy birthday to my beautiful 269 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: m il which is a new call way to say 270 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: mother in law. She said, I'm so sad I'm not 271 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: there to celebrate with you and hug you. And then 272 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: she sent all of her love from her and her 273 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: grandmother and said I missed you all so much. So 274 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: she was trying to show that she was in America 275 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: spending time with her grandmother instead, and Victoria ended up 276 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: re sharing the post and wrote love you and missed you. Now. 277 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: My gut feeling is that her grandmother mustn't be doing 278 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: well because why would you not want to attend this 279 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: epic birthday party. And also, at the same time, by 280 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: not attending, you were reigniting feud rumors that you've worked 281 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: very hard to water down. 282 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a good idea to an the grandmother 283 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: because you can't really pick too much into that. You 284 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: can't be like, wow, she chose to hang out with 285 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: her grandmother, Like obviously there's more to this story that's private, 286 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 2: And again, it's a pretty good pr move from team 287 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: Beckham in general. 288 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, if Victoria's fiftieth has made you feel nostalgic 289 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: and like you want to hear more about her life, 290 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: we do have a series on Victoria Beckham which we 291 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: aired last year. We will leave a link for it 292 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: in our show notes. I'm down bad Crana, everything combs out, nageants. 293 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: Swift E's have waited with baited breath to find out 294 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: exactly what went down in Taylor Swift's highly private six 295 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: year relationship with Joe Olwen. They held listening parties all 296 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 2: around the globe, ready to dissect every clue in a 297 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: highly anticipated album release. The fans were shocked to discover 298 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: the tortured poet himself wasn't Joe but her fling Matt Healy. Now, 299 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: so before we get into it. This album has received 300 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 2: a mixed response, some reviewers saying all the tracks sound 301 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 2: the same and it shows she needs to take a break. 302 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: What I want to say to all of those reviewers 303 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: is this album is not made for you. This album 304 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: is for the hardcore Swifties. I think it's for those 305 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: of us who want to find all the Easter eggs, 306 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: who know everything about her relationship. We've been there through 307 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: all of our feuds and all of the drama, and 308 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: we just want all of the goths. A lot of 309 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: diehards are actually describing her album as slam poetry, and 310 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: they have just been enjoying analyzing every lyric, because when 311 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: it comes to Taylor's music, the lyrics are everything, and 312 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: it is the first album in years where we've actually 313 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 1: had songs about her own heartbreak. They're not just made 314 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: up heartbreak songs. 315 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do agree with you. This is for 316 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:51,119 Speaker 2: the real fans because when the Eras tour was in Australia, 317 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 2: there are a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon 318 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: and I think the Swifties are very welcoming, you know, 319 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 2: as many people who want to enjoy Taylor swift welcome. However, 320 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: it does annoy me when bandwagon jumpers are like, now, 321 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 2: I didn't like it. I Mean, what I don't get 322 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: is how can you judge an album from listening to 323 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: it once? Yeah, Like, for me, I'm never going to 324 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 2: love every single song the first time I listened to 325 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 2: it because especially with these types of songs, there's so 326 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: many coded messaging within them that you really want to 327 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: unpick and enjoy. And then also you're not just gonna 328 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: love a song the first time you hear it, like 329 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: it gets in your head. And for me, because I've 330 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: been sick, I haven't wanted to listen to the album 331 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: over and over again because I've had COVID, I've had 332 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 2: a headache. I didn't want to associate it with that, 333 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: so I've only listened through to it once. However, I 334 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: know it's a fantastic album because all of the songs 335 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: have been playing in my head only from listening to 336 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: them once and then seeing some of them on TikTok 337 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: as well. 338 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. One of the surprises was that 339 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: this was actually a double album, so there are thirty 340 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: one songs on it, and it does take you a 341 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: bit of time to actually listen and appreciate all of 342 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: those songs, and I think there are some absolute standouts. 343 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: Down Bad is my ultimate favorite at the moment, I 344 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: can't get it out of my head. I just think 345 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: that Taylor has reached this new level of celebrity where 346 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: she can choose what she writes and what she wants 347 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: to release, and it just seems to be working for 348 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: her because she has become the most streamed artists in 349 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: a single day. And I just think that there are 350 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,239 Speaker 1: so many people who want to drag her down at 351 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: the moment due to her popularity, and I just hate 352 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: those people who say, oh, I don't understand why she's 353 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: so hyped up. It is because of her storytelling, like 354 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: she doesn't want to impress all of you. She's never 355 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 1: come out and said I'm for everyone. 356 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, and everyone's like, oh, there needed to be more bops, which, 357 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: being a millennial, I realized bops is the new term 358 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 2: for bangers. 359 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: Really, I feel like that is quite a millennial term. 360 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 2: No, I think it is more gen z. Like I 361 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: haven't heard anyone say bangers. They just keep hearing people 362 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 2: say bops. Anyway, Everyone's like, h there's not more bops 363 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 2: on it. It's like, yeah, what were you expecting with 364 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: the title the Tortured Poet's Department, Like it clearly wasn't 365 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: going to all radio here. Yeah. 366 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: I just think the critics are out there ready to 367 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: tear her down, and there's a lot of tall Poppy 368 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: syndrome going on at the moment. Instead of talking about 369 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: those miserable people, let's talk about Joe Olwen. Somehow. He 370 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: has miraculously survived this album release relatively unscathed, because it 371 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: was long speculated that the album was going to focus 372 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: on the end of the couple six year relationship, but 373 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: it was actually her brief romance with the nineteen seventy 374 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: five's Matt Heay that motivated the majority of the tracks. 375 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 2: See, I think this is the biggest fuck you that 376 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 2: Taylor Swift could have delivered to Joe Olwen because she's 377 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: pumped it up. She's named the album after this group 378 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 2: chat that he had with his mates. Then she's dropping 379 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: all these clues in her library setup at the Grove 380 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: in LA and the all of a sudden, it's like, 381 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 2: hang on tattooed golden retriever who's smoking marijuana and eating 382 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 2: seven chocolate bars. That doesn't sound like Joe. Like the 383 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: fact that she's centered most of this album, this double 384 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: album on her fling with Matt Healy and this situationship 385 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: that seems to have gone on for the last ten 386 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: years is absolutely iconic. I think it is so relatable 387 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: as well. 388 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Joe really appears to have gotten the Calvin 389 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: Harris treatment. So when Taylor and Calvin split, we were 390 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: all expecting some epic breakup songs, but again, the album 391 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: focused on some of her short term flings that she had, 392 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: And I think the fact that Joe is overtly private 393 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: clearly his biggest fear was that Taylor Swift was going 394 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: to expose all of these private details about their relationship 395 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: and about him as a person when they broke up, 396 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: and potentially maybe it was something that caused tension in 397 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 1: their relationship after the split. And I think that this album, 398 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: as you say, Kay, is just such a power move 399 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: because she's turned around and been like, see, I told 400 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: you I would never expose you like that, but instead 401 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to talk about this chaotic rebound I've had 402 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: that I've experienced in the public eye all because you 403 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: couldn't love me. So it's kind of is to fuck 404 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: you at the same time, and it would also be 405 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: a kick in the dick for him to hear that 406 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: this rebound seemed to hurt her even more than her 407 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,120 Speaker 1: six year relationship. 408 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: I just love how no one was expecting it. Taylor 409 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 2: always keeps us on our toes. I know there was 410 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 2: some initial disappointment, and when I was listening, I was like, 411 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: why is this fuck with getting all this air time? 412 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: And then I'm like, no, now that I've had more 413 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 2: time to think about it, I love it. 414 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: It is pretty iconic the way that she has turned 415 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: this around. Let's go into what we actually did find 416 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: out about her split with Joe so in the song 417 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: So Long London, which is clearly about him, she says, 418 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: I abandoned the ship, but I was going down with it, 419 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: So that is her revealing that it was actually her 420 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: decision to end that relationship. She also said, I'm pissed 421 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: off you let me give you all that youth for free, 422 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: and this is clearly in reference to the fact that 423 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: she dated Joe for the bulk of her late twenties 424 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: and she feels like she wasted time on him. 425 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 2: That lia got me good For any one that has 426 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: been in a toxic relationship in their twenties, that is 427 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: very relatable. 428 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. There was also a lot of speculation when 429 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: Joe and Taylor broke up in April last year that 430 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: Joe may have cheated on Taylor with a fellow actor. Now, 431 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: Taylor didn't confirm or deny this in the album, but 432 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: she does express insecurities that she felt in the relationship. 433 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: So in So Long London, she says, and my friend said, 434 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: it isn't right to be scared every day of a 435 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: love affair. Every breath feels like the rarest air when 436 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: you're not sure if he wants to be there. She 437 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: also suggested that she was waiting for Joe to propose, 438 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: saying you swore that you love me, but where were 439 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: the clues? I died at the altar waiting for the 440 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: proof God. And people say that this album disappointed. I 441 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: will never understand that. 442 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: Did you also hear that people are speculating? You know 443 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: the song paper Rings on Lover? Yeah, you know how 444 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: everyone thought that they must be secretly married. Someone said 445 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 2: it puts a new spin on Death by a Thousand Cuts, 446 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 2: Like death by a thousand paper cuts. 447 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: Oh, that is one of my favorite songs, Death by 448 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: a Thousand Cuts. In one of the new songs, she 449 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: also refers to Joe as the loss of her life 450 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: and not the love of her life, but she does 451 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: declare that she was the love of his life, which 452 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: is also a bit of a burn. 453 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 2: Now. 454 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: I want to get into the situationship because, as we said, 455 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: like situationships, they're so devastating, and I think that they 456 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: make people unravel and question themselves in a way that 457 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: sometimes long term relationships don't. And I think that is 458 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: why so many people are going to fall in love 459 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: with so many of these songs on the new album. 460 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to go into some of the most notable 461 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: Maddie mentions. So the album's title track, The Tortured Poets 462 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: Apartment talks about a partner who leaves a typewriter at 463 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: Taylor's apartment, and she sings, I think some things I 464 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: never say, like who uses typewriters anyway? And this is 465 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: in reference to Maddie's love for typewriters, which he did 466 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: speak about in a twenty eighteen interview with GQ, and 467 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: he said, the thing with typewriters and writing, putting pen 468 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: to paper, there's kind of an element of commitment that 469 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: goes with the ceremony of it. I just think that 470 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: there is so much wank associated with someone being so 471 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 1: deep that they're using a typewriter instead of a normal 472 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: computer or pen and paper. 473 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 2: I do wonder how Maddie felt when all these typewriters 474 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 2: started popping up at their activations, Like was he like, 475 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 2: holy shit, I want in for it. 476 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: And Joe's probably like, hold on a second, this has 477 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: nothing to do with me. I never used a typewriter. 478 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 2: I just couldn't get over when I was listening to 479 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 2: the album how many digs there were at Maddi Healy. 480 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: So I did touch on before the line you smoked 481 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 2: then ate seven bars of chocolate, and then she referred 482 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 2: to him as a tattooed Golden retriever falling asleep. This 483 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 2: was one of the lines that actually leaked before the album. 484 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 2: You and Amy actually spoke about it on Friday Show 485 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: and we were all convinced it was fake. We're like, oh, 486 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 2: this is just one of the AI songs. And Amy, 487 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 2: she may not be on the show to defend herself, 488 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: but at the time she said that it was a 489 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 2: stupid line. And I think Taylor has got her good 490 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: because she has released a song where there is a 491 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: lyric that says, fuck you, Amy. 492 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: I am going to enjoy listening to that when I'm 493 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: mad at Amy. I think that's one of those car 494 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: songs that I will get around from time to time. 495 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 2: We will get into it later, but we do know 496 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: that Amy is actually code for Kim Kutashan. 497 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: Here. There's also a song called I Can Fix Him, No, 498 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: really I can, which is of course about Maddie and 499 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: Taylor references jokes that are revolting and far too loud, 500 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: and also speaks about the public's opinion on her love life, 501 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: and she sings they shook their heads saying God help 502 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: her when I told them he's my man. And all 503 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: of this does appear to be in reference to those 504 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: racist remarks that Maddie made about rapper I Spice, who 505 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,199 Speaker 1: Taylor is now very good friends with. 506 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty interesting that she made that appearance at 507 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 2: Coachella just before this album dropped and really cemented the 508 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,400 Speaker 2: fact that she is in full support of I Spice. 509 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. Taylor is obviously very strategic and when we 510 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 1: see her own public there always seems to be a 511 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: message behind it. Taylor's new single Fortnite, also appears to 512 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: be about Maddie, as she references a short but intense relationship. 513 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: Superslus have also pointed out that the Fortnite music video 514 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: references Maddie's band nineteen seventy five more than eleven times, 515 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: and the look and feel of the video is very 516 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: reminiscent of a number of nineteen seventy five's music film 517 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: clips as well. 518 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 2: How weird was it seeing post Malone with out tattoos 519 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: on his face and then in reverse Taylor with his 520 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 2: tattoos on her. 521 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: Face almost didn't recognize him. Now, so far, Maddie has 522 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: not publicly responded. However, these so called closed sources have 523 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: spoken apparently on his behalf. So One of the sources 524 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: claims that Maddie was given the heads up about the 525 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: album by Taylor's team and apparently he was very appreciative 526 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: of that. The source also said that Maddie thinks very 527 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: highly still of Taylor, but admitted that he was nervous 528 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 1: about what she might say about him on the album 529 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: and he doesn't want every swifty in the world thinking 530 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: that he's the villain. 531 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 2: I do love how Maddie here leaves. Auntie has come 532 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 2: out to the Daily Mail and given a quote, so 533 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 2: she said that nothing surprises him anymore and that Taylor 534 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: writes about all her relationships so he won't be shocked. 535 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: She also said that Maddie has since moved on with 536 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: a model who he's been dating since September, so he 537 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 2: will be focusing on that. I'm sure he's really glad 538 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 2: that his auntie decided to do paid interview with Daily Mail. 539 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 1: Well, apparently Denise, which is Mattie's mum, is not happy 540 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: with Taylor. I keep seeing on TikTok photos of Denise 541 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 1: and Taylor popping up, so they clearly know each other 542 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 1: quite well, and she said that Taylor's lyrics about his 543 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: drug use were too personal and took things too far. 544 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: And the source also said that Denise is wondering why 545 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: Taylor is suddenly changing her mind about his jokes being 546 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: too far, as she was willing to date him during 547 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 1: that time. 548 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: I mean, of course, his mum is going to stick 549 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 2: up for him. I do think she did take it 550 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: to a whole new level with the smallest man that 551 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: ever lived. I assumed that was going to be about 552 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 2: Joe or Scooter Braun fuck like everyone's saying, it's a 553 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 2: mix between all too Well and Dear John, but it's 554 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: just gone an extra level. 555 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: You definitely wouldn't be happy about the name of the drag. 556 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 2: One person who I think would be very happy with 557 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 2: this album is Travis Kelsey, So I didn't think there 558 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: were going to be any songs about him. I thought 559 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: the timing was a little bit off for him. However, 560 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: it appears there are two about him. So the first 561 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: is The Alchemy, and this song is absolutely riddled with 562 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: football references. Taylor touches on her on field moment with 563 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 2: Travis after he won the Super Bowl, saying shirts off, 564 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: and your friends lift you up over their heads, beer 565 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 2: sticking to the floor, cheers, chanting because they said there 566 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: was no chance trying to be the greatest in the league. 567 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 2: Wears the Trophy. The second song is called So High School, 568 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 2: and I do feel like there's a connection to her 569 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 2: song fifteen from Fearless, because in fifteen she talks about 570 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: how your greatest achievement won't be dating the guy on 571 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 2: the football team. However, in this song she compares falling 572 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: for the footballer to being sixteen again. And I just 573 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 2: love it because I think her next album, if all 574 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 2: things continue to go well with Travis, it's going to 575 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: be very different. It's going to be upbeat, and I'm 576 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: really looking forward to that. Even though everyone's saying, oh, 577 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: she needs to take a break, blah blah blah, I 578 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: think we've all got time for an upbeat album after. 579 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: Y Yeah, A lot of her songs about Travis seemed 580 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: to be really happy, and this song, in particular, So 581 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: High School did really have Fearless vibes to it, and 582 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: it felt like I could imagine it being on an 583 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: iconic American high school movie Yeah Me Too. Taylor is 584 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: also generating a lot of headlines for writing a disk 585 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: track to Kim Kardashian and it is called thank You Amy, 586 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: and fans quickly notice that the capital letters on the 587 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: track spelled out Kim I Love actually references that no 588 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: one will ever be able to decode who Amy is. 589 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: But then in order to actually create this easter egg, 590 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: she just went back to her roots, which originally when 591 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: she started putting East within her albums, she would just 592 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: put capital letters in certain words and fans, would you 593 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 2: create a word from that? It's so basic, this easter egg, 594 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 2: and it's all like, oh no, but no one will 595 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 2: be able to work out what it is. 596 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: We have had a lot of listeners writing in asking 597 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: us to do a deep dive on this feud, so 598 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: we are going to be dedicating Thursday as subs episode 599 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: to exploring it in the detail that it deserves, because 600 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: there is a lot there. But from a top level, 601 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: this feud does date back to the two thousand and 602 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: nine VMAs when Kim's ex husband Kanye West storm the 603 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: stage writers Taylor was making her acceptance speech for Best 604 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: Female Video, and in that infamous rant, Kanye said that 605 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: Beyonce was robbed and had the best Video of All Time, 606 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: and then that feud really escalated in twenty sixteen when 607 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: Kanye released his song Famous saying I Feel like Me 608 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: and Taylor might still have sex, and that is where 609 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: Kim entered the chat, because she released several clips of 610 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: a supposed conversation between Kanye and Taylor where she appeared 611 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: to give her support for the lyrics, because she later 612 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: came out and said that she wasn't aware that he 613 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 1: was going to use the word bitch in his lyrics 614 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: to describe her. But in March twenty twenty, a longer 615 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: recording of the phone call emerged, and it painted a 616 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: more complex picture, and it really backed up Taylor's version 617 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: of events because it showed that Kanye didn't actually outline 618 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: the insulting words that he planned to use in the song. 619 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people criticizing Taylor for bringing this 620 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: all up again and saying, can't we just leave it 621 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: in the past, But I absolutely love it, particularly how 622 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: she fired shots at Northwest. I mean, I know Northwest 623 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: is a I don't know, ten or eleven year old. However, 624 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: it's so interesting because there was a lot of talk 625 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: about how the Kardashian children actually wanted to go to 626 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: the ears to where they were buying e merch. And 627 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: there's this video that surfaced of Kim and North actually 628 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: dancing and miming to Taylor's hit song shake It Off 629 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: Now that has been doing the rounds on TikTok, of course, 630 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: because Taylor added this line to the song, one day, 631 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: your kid comes home singing a song that only us 632 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: two is going to know is about you. 633 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 2: That's just brilliant. 634 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: She also went as far as saying that her mum, 635 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: who is a saintly woman, everyone loves Mamma Swift. She 636 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: basically said that Mamma Swift wish Kim Kardashian dead, and 637 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: my jaw absolutely hits the floor when I heard this lyric. 638 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 1: I want to how Andrea felt about that, because it 639 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: doesn't really paint her in that well of a light. 640 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: Do you think she purposely used the words saintly as 641 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: well because Kim and Kanye do have a child called 642 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: saint Oh definitely, I think that there were just so 643 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: many little references in there. She definitely wants everyone to 644 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: know that she is talking about Kim Kardashian. And since 645 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: the song dropped, Kim's comment section has been full of 646 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: fans writing thank you Amy. I think that Kim had 647 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: to know that this song was coming. We've heard sources 648 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: say that Matt Heally was given the heads up from 649 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: Taylor's team, so you would assume that the same courtesy 650 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: would be given to Kim. And I think the fact 651 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: that the album title was so brazen makes me think 652 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: that there is a bigger game plan here. Because Taylor's publicist, 653 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 1: Tree Pain, is one of the most powerful people in 654 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, and she is described as a PR mastermind. 655 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: I just think something more is happening in the background 656 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: that we're not aware of yet. I think potentially Tree 657 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: Pain has approached Kim's team and has asked permission for 658 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: Kim to be involved in this narrative with a broader 659 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: PR plan in mind. Because a number of Taylor's friends 660 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: have recently done photo shoots with Skims, including her Australian 661 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: support act Saprina Carpenter, Lana del Rey, and most recently 662 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: Brittany Mahomes. And I just think that Taylor isn't going 663 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: to go out for Kim if her friends are involved 664 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: in her brand. I think that maybe behind the scenes, 665 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 1: Kim and Taylor have had a conversation about how they 666 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: can build a friendship arc. So are we going to 667 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: see a new story arc where Taylor and Kim publicly 668 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: come back together. We've seen Taylor do this with Katie Perry. 669 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: She reunited after Taylor dissed her in Bad Blood because Katie, 670 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: if you will remember, she was in Taylor's film clip 671 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: you need to calm down dressed as a hamburger. 672 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: I don't think this theory really holds up for me 673 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 2: because it doesn't make sense for me for Taylor to 674 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 2: reopen this old wound. You know, you spoke about the 675 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 2: timeline two thousand and nine and then twenty sixteen. This 676 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: was quite a long time ago. People have moved on. 677 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: I think that this is still very personal. I think 678 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 2: that Taylor wants people to know that she's not willing 679 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 2: to forgive Kim. I don't know how much her friends 680 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 2: have to do with it. I think she'd be fine 681 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 2: with them to make these career advancements and pose for Skims. 682 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: But I don't think we're going to be seeing any 683 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 2: sort of public friendship come from this. 684 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, Kate. There was so much negativity around 685 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: this few that is why. I don't understand why she 686 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: would bring it up for no reason. Why would she 687 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: want this sort of negativity around her album release. I mean, 688 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: the media scrutiny fueled by this initial feud actually made 689 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: her lead the spotlight for a year. So I just 690 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: think that there must be a bigger strategic plan in 691 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: place of why she's bringing this all up again. 692 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but the reason wouldn't be so she can then 693 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 2: be publicly friends with Kim, Like that literally makes no sense. 694 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, but Kim's not with Kanye anymore and Kanye 695 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: seemed to be the problem. 696 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then the song only takes aim at Kim, 697 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 2: which again confuses the whole thing altogether, Like it literally 698 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 2: would make no sense for them to then suddenly be friends, 699 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 2: Like if there was a song where it was like, oh, yeah, 700 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 2: I forgive you because it was actually Kanye's fault. Maybe, 701 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 2: but to me, this does not seem like a plausible 702 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 2: reason at all. I just think that Taylor is now 703 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 2: in such a position of power that she can be like, well, yeah, 704 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,479 Speaker 2: fuck you Kim. 705 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, she did ultimately thank Kim in a way 706 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: and say I wouldn't be where I am today if 707 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't for you, and that incident in my life, 708 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: so you never know. I guess we'll have to just 709 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 1: watch this space. Personally, I think that there is more 710 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 1: to it that meets the eye. 711 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 2: Respectfully, you look like you're pushing forty five. Stop getting 712 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 2: filler or bodocks, whatever you have. 713 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: It looks so bad forwenty five. People are currently asking 714 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 1: TikTok how old they look, and the answers aren't very nice. 715 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: Is this dominating anyone else's feet at the moment, it's 716 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 1: all I'm saying, yes, And it is all my fault 717 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: because I am feeding into that algorithm because whenever I 718 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: see a video like this, I immediately head to the 719 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: comments and try and find out how old the person 720 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: actually is. And it's very much like a car crash because. 721 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 2: It's never going to end well for the person who's 722 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,359 Speaker 2: uploaded the video, because you just know that people are 723 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 2: going to be so mean for the sake of it, 724 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 2: because it's TikTok, and there's never going to be a 725 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 2: situation where someone poses this question on the app and 726 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 2: doesn't get their feelings hurt. And it's quite ironic because 727 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 2: growing up, we were taught that you don't ask a 728 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 2: woman how old they are, and if you ever were 729 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 2: asked comment, you always automatically say younger than you think. 730 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 2: How we're on TikTok, all those rules are out the window. 731 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: I think it's ironic that gen Zetter's actually started this trend, 732 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: and it seems to have stemmed from this fascination with 733 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: how gen Zettas are aging, because, as we've touched on 734 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,799 Speaker 1: a couple of times, there's a theory that fillers and 735 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 1: botox are actually making them look older. 736 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 2: And it seems like this obsession is really trickling down 737 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 2: to tweens. So the term Sephora kids has been doing 738 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 2: the rounds on TikTok and it categorizes tweens who beg 739 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 2: their parents to buy them anti aging skincare, and you'll 740 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 2: often see them in Sephora. So there does appear to 741 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: be this general consensus online that young people are freaking 742 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 2: out about aging more than anyone else did at their age, 743 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 2: and this is in turn setting us off as millennials 744 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 2: as well as Gen x's and boomers, because we're all 745 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,200 Speaker 2: starting to freak out thinking, well, if they're old, what 746 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 2: does that make us? And I do think gen Zettas 747 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 2: are to blame in this situation because it seems like 748 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 2: they're freaking out about the fact that they're getting old, 749 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: so then in turn, they're trying to make us feel 750 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 2: even more out of touch because you only have to 751 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,720 Speaker 2: think about this whole punching down on millennials that's happening 752 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 2: on TikTok over our skinny jeans and our side parts. 753 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: If I hear one more thing about socks, I will 754 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: scream because I just feel like any socks I wear 755 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: wrong at the moment, and I think a lot of 756 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: out og listeners will know that I am a bit 757 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 1: of a slob. It is quite rare for me to 758 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,399 Speaker 1: even get a pair of socks that matches. I don't 759 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: really even want to meet this on the podcast, but 760 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, do people even think that deeply into socks, 761 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 1: because if they do, I am being judged harshly every 762 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 1: single day. 763 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 2: Well, I'm still confused as to what socks I'm supposed 764 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 2: to be wearing, because apparently the sockets, the no show 765 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 2: socks are just so embarrassing. But they're great if you 766 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 2: are a slob like you, Sophie and don't have matching 767 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 2: pairs because you can't see them However, there is a 768 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 2: pressure if you are wearing socks that actually show that 769 00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 2: they have to match. 770 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm hearing people talking about wearing different 771 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: pattern socks. I just think that at the moment, it's 772 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: really difficult to especially in winter, to find the right 773 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: sort of shoes that go with the right sort of pants. 774 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: So I don't even want to add the equation of 775 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:12,719 Speaker 1: socks into this. 776 00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just something I don't need to add to 777 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 2: the stress of getting dressed at the moment. 778 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 1: I do think. 779 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 2: Going back to these TikTok videos that people's reactions to 780 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 2: how old people look is really demonstrating how warped our 781 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 2: beauty standards are at the moment, because I think we're 782 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 2: so used to seeing people and like regular people with filters, 783 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 2: that when we do see a natural face, we just 784 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 2: immediately think it looks older than it is, and I 785 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 2: think that people are starting to lose the ability to 786 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 2: recognize what is actually normal. 787 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: My algorithm is more showing me people who have had 788 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: a lot of work done, and people are guessing that 789 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,480 Speaker 1: they're a lot older than they are as well. Ah, 790 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: I see, I'm getting more people that I personally do agree. 791 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 2: I thought they were older than they are and they're like, 792 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 2: oh no, I'm actually twenty eight. But I do think 793 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 2: that we are losing this ability to recognize what is normal, 794 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 2: even with just beauty standards, because think back to last 795 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 2: year when someone called Margot Robbie mid on Twitter, like, 796 00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 2: I just think that people's opinions of what normal people 797 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 2: should look like are so warped at the moment. 798 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: Well, I'm definitely not keen to put out a video 799 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 1: where I'm practically welcoming people to either tell me how 800 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,239 Speaker 1: old or how young I look. I don't think that 801 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: that's very good for anyone's mental health at the moment. 802 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,440 Speaker 1: I think that is where we will leave you today. 803 00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. If you have 804 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 1: enjoyed today's show, could you please make sure you are 805 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: subscribed on Apple podcast and also Spotify. And if you 806 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: do want to hear more about the feud between Kim Kardashian, 807 00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: Kanye West, and Taylor Swift, please tune into our subs 808 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: episode on Thursday. 809 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 2: This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the 810 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,840 Speaker 2: Ghana people of the Adelaide Planes. 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