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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday morning and it is time for the

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Speaker 1: big issues. Thanks to Klono Community Association and Aboriginal loaned

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Speaker 1: operated and community lead Organization from the Top End to

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Speaker 1: Tenant Creek and joining us seeing the studio this.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Dave tolda good to see you, mate, and we've.

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Speaker 1: Got Maddie Hepworth filling in for Damian Hale.

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Speaker 3: Is a big fella.

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Speaker 2: Maningrida.

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Speaker 1: He usually goes and says, get out of my mum

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Speaker 1: when he's visiting Maningreda.

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Speaker 2: She's out there. Always good fun, I'm sure for them

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Speaker 2: in Maningreda emulate inter.

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Speaker 4: Get a Katie. Great to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Right, A bit of a mixer.

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Speaker 3: You could go else I can't.

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Speaker 5: Key.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you've got to be careful to colislist to act

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get into it because there's been much on

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Speaker 1: the agenda and it's only Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: But I am going to just.

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Speaker 1: Play a bit of audio for you from yesterday and

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Speaker 1: it is the AFL and T chairman Sean Bowden. He

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Speaker 1: caught up with Matti Hepworth yesterday when I was off crook.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he had to say in

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Speaker 1: relation to the potential development of a stadium for our CBD.

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Speaker 4: Designs for a three hundred million dollars sporting stadium in

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Speaker 4: the heart of the Darwin CBD have been revealed.

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Speaker 6: This is a facility first and foremost for all of

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Speaker 6: the Northern Territory and all sports. We obviously want to

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Speaker 6: use it for high level AFL games, and we think

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Speaker 6: that there's scope for more NRL games. You've got a

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Speaker 6: League soccer, then you've got the Asian Super League. With

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Speaker 6: a facility such as this, there'd be no reason you

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Speaker 6: wouldn't see some of those teams coming in.

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Speaker 3: We got union, you could build it up.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that, Maddie.

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Speaker 1: You asked plenty of questions about this with Sean Bowden yesterday.

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Speaker 2: My biggest question is where are we getting the money?

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Speaker 4: Well, I said, they won't be going to the government

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Speaker 4: for it. He knows it would be the wrong time

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Speaker 4: of money. But he did flag potential Commonwealth investment as well.

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Speaker 4: He realizes that the Northern Territory government, I mean the

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Speaker 4: stadium's proposed three hundred million dollars, the government don't have

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Speaker 4: thirty dollars to spare at the moment, so he said,

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Speaker 4: private investment is where it's going to come from, but

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Speaker 4: they could certainly seek support from the Commonwealth government as well.

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Speaker 2: I'll let Dave talk before I Sensing a bit of

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Speaker 2: a pipe dreamer, I asked him, we've.

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Speaker 4: Seen these things before, Sewan and he goes, no, he goes,

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Speaker 4: I promise you. He goes, I want to make this happen.

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Speaker 4: And I said, well, you know, we see you know,

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Speaker 4: big projects like this flag three hundred million dollars and

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Speaker 4: there's all this fanfare about it, and that's the last

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Speaker 4: we hear about it. This is probably the second update

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Speaker 4: we've heard. We got the initial one.

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Speaker 1: In and look like you know, I'm always cautious to

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Speaker 1: because I know that it's really difficult to come through

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Speaker 1: actually try to make it come to fruition.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if they could pay for Tia Stadium, you know,

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Speaker 3: if if the AFL is that cashed up, you know,

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Speaker 3: they've got three hundred million dollars to throw around, why

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Speaker 3: do they need to be in a subsidized AFL stadium?

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Speaker 2: You have to get they're obviously looking for investors, aren't

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Speaker 3: This is my point though, you know currently they can't

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Speaker 3: afford the stadium they're currently in. And a week or

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Speaker 3: so ago I went to the Eels game. I've been

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Speaker 3: to the Yels game out there now. Wouldn't miss them

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Speaker 3: with no, I wouldn't miss them. I love the yields.

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Speaker 3: But it's it's it really is disgusting, you know. It's

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Speaker 3: to sit there and watch a game a rugby league

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Speaker 3: on an Ossie rules oval is nuts. You're sitting outside

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Speaker 3: the boundary on the ISI rules field. It's another twenty

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Speaker 1: The way that I always think about it is you

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Speaker 3: But the Cowboys don't play exactly, don't play on a

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Speaker 2: We have an NR.

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Speaker 1: They also have an NRL team the same as in

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Speaker 1: even in other locations like Cans they've got the QRL,

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Speaker 1: so they've they've got then that tier that's underneath the NRL.

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Speaker 1: Like here in the territory, we don't currently have an

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Speaker 1: AFL team. We don't currently have you know, the tier

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Speaker 2: It for the AFL or for the NRL. So I

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Speaker 2: just wonder.

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Speaker 3: In a in a subsidized stadium, wholly subsidized, you know,

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Speaker 3: raise another three hundred million dollars, you'd have to say,

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Speaker 3: were aware have they been in the last twenty years?

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Speaker 3: I guess they play their own way.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: The other side of the argument and made you probably

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Speaker 1: of a you know, we're finding that we're a bit

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Speaker 1: of a sporting location right now, even for those training

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Speaker 2: I mean, do we capitalize now while the iron is hot? Personal?

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Speaker 3: Look, I think one of the greatest disgraces is that

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Speaker 3: the government walked away from Richeson Park the another time

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Speaker 3: of rugby league. Now we had a plan to spend

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Speaker 3: twenty five million dollars on that place a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: Government would have taken it over because rugby League couldn't

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Speaker 3: afford to maintain it. But the idea was that you

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Speaker 3: would have a stadium there that you could have all

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Speaker 3: of those big soccer, rugby union, rugby league games in

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Speaker 3: plenty of seeding capacity and all of that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Knocked on the head moved out to Souse at Marara.

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Speaker 3: They don't even have a long term lease there. I

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Speaker 3: think the lease is for twenty five years or something

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Speaker 3: like that off Souse and now they're allowing this fellow

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Speaker 1: Well just you know, like I say, I would never

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Speaker 1: with different ideas, because I think it's easy for us

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Speaker 1: points that you've made their day, which you know, particularly

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Speaker 1: that we've let that prime location go.

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Speaker 3: But everything we hear about these days is you know,

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Speaker 3: there's no real economic value in any of these things. Said,

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Speaker 3: I noticed today in the inteen years, we've got Barb

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Speaker 3: Melandear McCarthy banging on about how there's going to be

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Speaker 3: no cotton industry in the Northern Territory. Now, that's obviously

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Speaker 3: an industry that makes money, but we can't have one

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Speaker 3: in the Northern Territory. Same as we can't have a

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Speaker 3: dam in the Northern Territory. Same as they tried to

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Speaker 3: put the bosh on gas in the Northern Territory. Anything

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Speaker 3: that's seen as an industry and an opportunity is ignored.

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Speaker 3: And yet.

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Speaker 2: Well right now day, well, I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know where you're going to see the big licks of

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Speaker 3: money coming in, Like I say, they're in a subsidized

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Speaker 3: like I said, then you see the university spending four

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million dollars on a campus for international

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Speaker 3: students in the city.

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Speaker 1: From Ken vows and he said, I always go to

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Speaker 1: what are the recurrent costs for a stadium? We always

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Speaker 1: talk about the cost of building, et cetera, but never

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Speaker 1: about what the funding for you know, the tens of

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Speaker 1: which is another good point.

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Speaker 3: Practically nice sport in the territor that pays for itself.

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Speaker 3: You know, the netball, that wonderful big stadium that they

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Speaker 3: have and you've got to love it. It looks great

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Speaker 3: and it's a whole lot better for the girls to

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Speaker 3: be playing inside and outside. I can't afford the air

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Speaker 3: and they can't afford the air conditioning bill times of basketball.

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Speaker 2: What do you do? Do you just go no sport

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Speaker 2: for anyone. It's still expensing sport any.

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Speaker 3: I mean you grew up playing Did you grow up

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Speaker 3: in an air conditioning stadium?

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Speaker 2: Depends?

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Speaker 1: I grew up in Mount Isa Dave so there.

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Speaker 3: So I grew up in country Queensland. But we all

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Speaker 3: played sport, didn't we?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: You know, And you played it on bitchamin courts outdoors,

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Speaker 3: if you played netball, if you played rugby league, you

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Speaker 3: on a gravel, very little grass.

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Speaker 5: Hello Katie Wolf and three point sixty online at Mixed

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Speaker 4: You.

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Speaker 1: I am very cognizant that we don't have Damian Hale

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Speaker 1: think it's important for us to bring it up and

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Speaker 1: that is the fact that's Anthony Albanezi has been warned

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Speaker 1: by the head of the New South Wales c of

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Speaker 1: m e U Mining and Energy Vision to stop developing

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Speaker 1: labor policies in inner city coffee shops or risk losing

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Speaker 1: three federal seats in the Hunter Valley at the next election,

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Speaker 1: an outcome almost certain to relegate it to three more

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Speaker 1: years of opposition. That is what's been reported in The

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Speaker 1: Australian this morning. And we know that former Labor Front

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Speaker 1: bencher Joel Fitzgibbon has also threatened to quit Parliament if

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Speaker 1: mister Albanezi's agenda did not go further in backing blue

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Speaker 1: following Labour's defeat at the weekend by election in the

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Speaker 1: your response, Dave Maddie head.

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Speaker 3: Where's Where's Maddie?

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Speaker 4: I can feel the excitement losing off, Dave. I just

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Speaker 4: want to know what the poor I love a laty.

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Speaker 5: What did the unions?

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Speaker 4: What did do to the unions? Anytime they get their

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Speaker 4: back up about Labor not supporting them anymore? It's always

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Speaker 4: the latine drinkers in Capital City. Our union office here

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Speaker 4: is based in the heart of Darwin, CBD. I live

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Speaker 4: just around the corner and I see them drinking. They're

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Speaker 3: They probably care about as much for workers as they do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's a reality. If you're not in the

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Speaker 3: public service, I don't care, but I mean.

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Speaker 2: To me, I do want to say that.

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Speaker 1: I actually think Joel Fitzgibbon makes some fairly good points here,

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Speaker 1: and you cannot forget about the working class at the moment.

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Speaker 3: I forget that.

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Speaker 2: I feel so that is that is.

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Speaker 1: An area at the moment where federally labor does seem

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Speaker 1: to have lost its way a little bit. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know, you know, locally it could be the same too.

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Speaker 1: You can't forget about I'm being diplomatic because I know

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Speaker 1: you're but you've got to remember the workers, you know,

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Speaker 1: you do need to remember your working class Australians.

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Speaker 2: And I think that, if you like, was formed on.

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Speaker 1: Workers in the industry transitioning. I think you can't just

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Speaker 2: You've want to actually transition.

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Speaker 3: Well, I could actually use your brains and sort of

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Speaker 1: Can I just spin this discussion slightly though, and ask you, Dave,

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Speaker 3: I think Joel fitzgibbn is really quite a brave person,

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Speaker 3: you know, not whether you call it brave or not,

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Speaker 3: you know the fact his labor got no respect for

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Speaker 2: I don't care for them all. You're a bit of

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Speaker 2: He's got that younger generation, younger than me.

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Speaker 1: There's plenty you know, yeah, Martin Ferguson older Mark Latham

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Speaker 3: Also they say they've gone. I mean the fact was

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Speaker 1: Sorry, but when he when he was running against John

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Speaker 2: Was sorry, you've lost me.

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Speaker 3: But he was not. He was not a good fit

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Speaker 1: You think though, you are a younger bloke and you

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Speaker 5: That's all right.

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Speaker 1: Let talk.

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Speaker 4: Don't really have an opinion either way. And the given

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Speaker 4: Prime Minister Scott Morrison or Malcolm Turbull described the Liberal

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Speaker 4: Party as a broad church within the party, even though

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Speaker 4: they are a conservative party by nature. You've got people

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Speaker 4: the Liberal Party don't like to say they've got left

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Speaker 3: Wet and dry the left and right, well they got

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Speaker 3: Liberals have have been tearing themselves to bits over this.

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Speaker 4: Malcolms examples.

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Speaker 3: Malcolm's a classic example. You know both Malcolm and Scamo

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Speaker 3: Scotty will go like I say, where the wind blowe.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I just want to read a message that I

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Speaker 1: got here from Kenny Vowles, and he said, Joel is

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Speaker 1: on the money Cadie. He had a twenty two percent

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Speaker 1: He made his move last year by resigning from shadow

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Speaker 1: the best here for MMA you representative ever.

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Speaker 3: This morning I got donations through the CFMU income.

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Speaker 1: Dave Toler and Mattie Hepworth in the studio with us

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Speaker 1: this morning for the big issues and oh it's just texting.

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Speaker 3: I love it now.

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Speaker 2: There has been quite.

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Speaker 1: A bit of discussion nationally over the last few days

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Speaker 1: about looking at doing things a bit more innovatively to

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Speaker 1: try to get people to actually go for their COVID vaccines.

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Speaker 1: I know that in other countries they're doing different bits

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Speaker 1: and pieces to try to get people to go and

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Speaker 1: get vaccinated. In Israel, for example, well they're trying to

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Speaker 1: reach younger people giving them free drinks apparently.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they're alcoholic beverages. I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: But they're doing a few different things.

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Speaker 1: Apparently in China they're doing a few different things like

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Speaker 2: And get vaccinated. What reckon we need to do in

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Speaker 2: the territory?

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Speaker 4: Do it for a six pack of normal?

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Speaker 3: Oh it would too Ignrman, you.

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Speaker 2: You to go and get your vaccine with Tomie and.

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Speaker 3: Hale that you get a vaccine.

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Speaker 2: He said, he's taking you and you do a live cross.

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Speaker 2: Come on, we decided this.

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Speaker 3: It's not against getting a vaccine. I just don't can't

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Speaker 3: see the urgency. Can't see the point. I don't for

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Speaker 3: the visor one tea. We'll wait and see what happens.

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Speaker 3: I think. I think if you wanted to do an

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Speaker 3: get on a plane.

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Speaker 4: That's what it's heading.

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Speaker 3: If you sit there and you get you know, you

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Speaker 3: shot in order to get on a plane, I think

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Speaker 3: lining up to do it. I reckon, I can't see

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Speaker 3: the imperative at the moment. Everybody's sitting there thinking, well,

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Speaker 3: it's all a bit of ho hum.

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Speaker 1: But like you said, if all of a sudden you

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Speaker 1: couldn't get on a plane somewhere, you certainly would.

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Speaker 4: Go and get add flags.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, for those international flights, I think. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: while those international boys, so, I think.

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Speaker 3: Alan doing his little bit of virtue signaling, just to

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Speaker 2: Alright, we better, we won't let Dame go. He's you know,

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Speaker 2: Jos going, this is going, don't don't have Maddie. Hepworth

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Speaker 2: lovely to have you both in the studio.

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Speaker 3: To be with Maddie. He's so vocal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Oh, well try all right, that is it for the

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