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Speaker 1: Well, I know that so many of you have missed

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Speaker 1: The Big issues, of course, brought to you by Kolano

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Speaker 1: Community Association and Aborigin Alone to operate it and community

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Speaker 1: led organization from the top end to Tenant Creek. And

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Speaker 1: in the studio, Dave Tolna, good morning, great to be

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Speaker 1: with you, Canie and Damian Hale welcome. We're so glad

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Speaker 1: to have your back mate. And I think that it

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Speaker 1: goes without saying from the whole community and certainly from

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Speaker 1: Dave and I that we're very sorry that you lost

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Speaker 1: your mum. And I know that so many you know

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Speaker 1: she's so certainly so well loved in the community.

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Speaker 2: She was, And thanks a lot to all those people

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Speaker 2: out in Darwen that have shed a tear and sent

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Speaker 2: the best wishes to the family. And Bev has left

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Speaker 2: the big legacy here. And it's hard when you lose

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Speaker 2: a parent. It's a very surreal feeling and I still

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Speaker 2: good to just get back and do some normal stuff.

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Speaker 3: He's pretty cocker hoop this morning. I got to tell you,

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what cock means. He's been driving, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's been drawing around in his wife's car, so he's

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Speaker 3: feeling quite loved.

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Speaker 4: And so often I've been telling David about this morning.

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Speaker 3: He'll check out the wife's new winds stumped in the

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Speaker 3: it's nice.

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Speaker 1: I've missed you too. I think I enjoying my laughs

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Speaker 1: on a Tuesday. And there's been so much happening that

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Speaker 1: we may as well do it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this situation with firstly the hospital out

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Speaker 1: that's what it's been described as. We also know that

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Speaker 1: there's been three code yellows this year at Royal dal

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Speaker 1: And Hospital. Let's take a listen to what the Health Minister,

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Speaker 1: Natasha Philes had to say on this topic just a

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Speaker 5: So, Katie, we have seen incredible pressures on our health

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Speaker 5: system and part of that has been due to staffing.

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Speaker 5: That is a very operational question that you have asked,

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Speaker 5: and I don't have that information to hand. I do

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Speaker 5: some in remote clinics, and we have seen staffing a challenge.

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Speaker 5: The code yellow that we called at rod Zawen Hospital

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Speaker 5: understand we do have challenges, but we certainly make sure

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Speaker 5: that we provide the best quality care. We listen to

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Speaker 5: the discussions that you've just pointed to.

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Speaker 1: I mean I did ask the Health Minister whether we

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Speaker 1: a concern for people. We took a call from Keith,

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Speaker 3: No, this is this is certainly one of the symptoms

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Speaker 3: of a labor government.

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Speaker 4: Seven minutes, seven minutes. That's all right, letting go, letting go.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get to the daily by election in

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Speaker 2: a second, so I'm hanging out for that.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to see him contigue that.

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Speaker 3: I mean a health system that's splurging money and not

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Speaker 3: As you know, We've got the most amazing staff I

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Speaker 3: a big part of this staff shortage is the Territory

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Speaker 1: And then what is it, I mean, what do you

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Speaker 1: make of the situation out in Palmerston as well. I

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Speaker 1: mean it's obviously it would obviously be difficult trying to juggle.

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Speaker 3: Hospital is very popular for people at Palmerston, but the

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Speaker 3: reality is that it always split our resources the Palmerston Hospital.

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Speaker 3: There was always an argument that, you know, it's a

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Speaker 3: No no, but there's so much demand out there now

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Speaker 3: there's almost two billion dollars a year going into our

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Speaker 3: But again in the remote areas, most of that bill

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Speaker 2: So Dave doesn't get past the bear and a ligne

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Speaker 2: too often. Let's be honest, because you were nearly a

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Speaker 2: I can assure you Palmerston now has thirty seven thousand people,

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Speaker 2: and probably by twenty thirty Palmerston will be bigger than

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Speaker 4: They'll always be Thelways games.

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Speaker 3: Now we've got nine billion dollars worth of debt. Now

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Speaker 3: how systems going down the draink? You tell me, how

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Speaker 2: There's always going to be ebbs and flows in the

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Speaker 2: the job that's been done a fantastic job for the

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Speaker 2: So of course there's going to be stretched resources. Saturday

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Speaker 2: Night stretches the resources. We almost had a situation where

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Speaker 2: in the Darwin Hospital, it will happen in the Palmerston Hospital.

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Speaker 2: But as a Palmerston person who's used the hospital before,

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Speaker 2: It's a great asset for the Palmerston city and it

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Speaker 2: will remain. It will remain like that, So I think

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Speaker 2: it's important to continue having the hospital. And the last

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Speaker 2: thing I think the minister, the Minister's made it very clear.

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Speaker 2: And Dave Dave when he was Health minister, we know

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Speaker 2: his position. He was always you know, he was always

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Speaker 2: I'm not verbal in him. He's on the record as

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Speaker 2: saying that that money should have been put into the

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Speaker 2: but a lot of people in Palmerston and our late

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Speaker 4: Named after him. And remember the shock of the bureaucrat

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Speaker 2: The bureaucrats are going, why is Hale and told me

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Speaker 2: here he said, oh, because Pete Davis family invited us.

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Speaker 4: Think here that we were coming either.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's a great asset for Palmerston and

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Speaker 2: it will be utilized. We don't know how long the

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Speaker 2: pandemic's going to keep going on, so it's unprecedented times.

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Speaker 1: In regards You'll worry, though, like to point out the obvious,

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Speaker 1: it does certainly make you worry. And I know that

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Speaker 3: I think the thing is Katie, that will obviously be

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Speaker 1: So you reckon that they know they're all right, they've

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Speaker 3: They can recreate Royal dau And Hospital in twenty four hours,

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Speaker 3: that they can recreate the number of beds that are required,

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Speaker 3: every time there's a problem. Now, having said that, that

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Speaker 3: they're bringing all the Olympic athletes in through there.

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Speaker 4: It should have been the one stop shop.

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Speaker 2: They should have got rid of hotel quarantine in back,

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Speaker 2: you know, six months ago, because it.

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Speaker 3: Because you couldn't put all that on the territory healsings.

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Speaker 1: They'd have to have.

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Speaker 4: Resource government.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's right, it was originally stop shop.

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Speaker 4: Because we've shown what a disaster care and trauma response

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Speaker 4: and we've shown what a disaster hotel quarantining has been

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Speaker 1: States, So we do obviously need that support. Though, you know,

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Speaker 1: if we were to do that, I actually don't think

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Speaker 1: that's a bad idea. If we were to do that though,

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Speaker 1: and if we are that one stop shop that that

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Speaker 1: federal support in terms of staff. It seems like that's

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Speaker 4: It's sitting out there as well.

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Speaker 2: So there's other facilities you keep adding on to the

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Speaker 2: Howard Springs facility too. And I don't know why the

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it was the territory government who actually

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, all of a sudden.

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Speaker 3: We've got pressure on oils the hospital. You know, there

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we are going to take a very short

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Speaker 1: is the Big Issues, proudly brought to you by Kolanokami

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Speaker 1: Association three.

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Speaker 4: Sixty with Katie Wolf. Join the conversation with Katie Wolf.

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Speaker 1: You are our eyes and ears in the territory Mixed

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Speaker 1: one oh four point nine. You are listening to the

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Speaker 1: Big Issues proudly brought to you by Kolano Community Association

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Speaker 1: in the studio with us Dave Tolner and Damian Hale. Now,

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Speaker 1: the Daily by election obviously was held over the weekend

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Speaker 3: You two, I wasn't actually following it. Maybe Hailey might

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Speaker 4: Surprised.

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Speaker 2: I was surprised, totally against the grain of by elections

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Speaker 2: in their second or third.

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Speaker 1: Term, second second.

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Speaker 2: Term and to pick up a seat in a liberal

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Speaker 4: But there was a few worrying signs.

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Speaker 2: I think some of the commentary of the c LP

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Speaker 2: it was their member Sloane that was resigning, so I presume.

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Speaker 4: He would have told them.

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Speaker 3: It did seem to me.

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Speaker 4: I thought Dave didn't follow it, but he's.

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Speaker 3: About a cabin meeting out there two weeks before the

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Speaker 3: beat it. But it does seem like that, said labor

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I know that Sloaney had said upon announcing

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Speaker 1: any way. Yeah, yeah, he's and he's a good blow, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, I think, and from our perspective, like in the end,

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Speaker 2: Dean Young ran and he's young, and he's a fifth

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Speaker 2: floor advisor ran in the seat. No one actually lived

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Speaker 1: That's astonishing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but like yeah, it's not surprising. And but you'd

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Speaker 2: really think if the CLP had it been given a

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Speaker 2: look because of health, you know, six or eight weeks

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Speaker 2: blah blah, get yourselves organized, because I Am going to

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Speaker 4: So I don't think, you know, there has.

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Speaker 2: Been a lot of conjecture and reflection on the leader,

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Speaker 2: and I suppose the buck does stop with the leader

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Speaker 4: Gunn is the tef one Mann.

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Speaker 2: It just keeps walking forward, and I hear all this

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Speaker 3: He will be the longer serving chief and there's no

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Speaker 4: And I think that he and this once again the

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Speaker 4: by election has.

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Speaker 2: Reiterated the point that you know, people are supporting Michael Gunner.

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Speaker 2: But the other concern I think for the CLP, I

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Speaker 2: think like the ADMIN obviously, the ADMIN and the COLP

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Speaker 2: you've got your leader, your parliamentary side of the party,

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Speaker 2: never have lost.

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Speaker 4: And the fact that the fact that.

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Speaker 2: There was a low voter turnout in the rural area

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Speaker 2: has to be a concern to the COLP. There's a

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Speaker 2: I think that the CLP has to be concerned in

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty interested in what you've got to say, because

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Speaker 3: I really have been scratching my head this result. It's

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Speaker 3: stunn me is sort of said, how is it possible

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Speaker 2: So convincingly to the fifty five forty five basically split.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, what do you think it sees, Dave

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Speaker 1: about the CLP?

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Speaker 3: Mate. I haven't had much to do with the COLP

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Speaker 3: in recent years, and you know, it is a bit concerning.

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Speaker 3: And I know that I know that Leah wouldn't have

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Speaker 3: you know, probably put in one hundred and twenty percent

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Speaker 3: to keep it. The question is, you know why what

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Speaker 1: Where was I'll tell you what I think happened is

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Speaker 1: I actually think that, you know, choosing somebody who is

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Speaker 1: going to run a candidate, no matter how good they are,

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Speaker 1: you should actually have someone see that.

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Speaker 3: You should try and find somebody from the electorate. And

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Speaker 3: it's sort of in some regards confusing that the CLP didn't.

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Speaker 3: But having said that, I do know Chris Sivities well,

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Speaker 3: doubt he'd fit in well in that seat, ready to

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Speaker 3: move there and all that sort of stuff. And like

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Speaker 3: Harley said, none of the candidates came out of the

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Speaker 3: election out of the Electric, So you sit there.

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Speaker 1: I thought Rebecca Jennings maybe lived in the Electric now,

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Speaker 1: that was what she told me she'd said, though she

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Speaker 3: So it's not really so you can't really say that

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Speaker 3: that was a factor in the CLP losing. But given

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Speaker 1: Area, I reckon what it seemed like is that both

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Speaker 1: the Labor Party and the CLP ran very different races.

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Speaker 1: Labor seemed to focus on the remote area of whatever

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Speaker 1: And I guess that you know, if you've got an

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Speaker 3: Gary Megan's had to do out there too, because I

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Speaker 3: mean halfway through the campaign, I think his family or

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Speaker 3: resigned from the party and whatnot.

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Speaker 1: So I did not know that. I'll have to ask Gary.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, he was a very popular member.

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Speaker 2: And it's been interesting in the last couple of days

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Speaker 2: of I wouldn't think Labor are not out cockerhoot, as

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Speaker 2: Dave would say, It's been a very subdued celebration. I

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Speaker 2: think there's been very little reflection on the leader of

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Speaker 2: the opposition over it. And I just really think that

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Speaker 2: the CEORP were caught with their pants down. Basically, they

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Speaker 2: should have been on the front foot. They should have

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Speaker 2: thought to themselves earlier. I'm not sure when the former

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Speaker 2: seemed to swing into action and start to get the

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Speaker 2: campaign happening and a young Indigenous guy gets elected to

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Speaker 4: Which is a good thing anyway.

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Speaker 2: And I just think that you can't blame I just

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Speaker 2: don't believe that all the blame should be pointed at

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Speaker 2: the background, the admin of the party, and I know

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Speaker 2: the ADMIN and the Labor Party worked really hard for

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Speaker 2: our candidates and so you know, often parties, if you

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Speaker 2: lose your crap candidate, if you win, it's because the

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Speaker 2: admin committee got you there, so that.

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Speaker 3: The to say they had a crap candidate in this.

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Speaker 4: Case, no, exactly, so they can't blame him.

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Speaker 2: So I just think that there's an issue around the

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Speaker 2: support and the SEALP probably have three years to really

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Speaker 2: rectify their off field if they're going to attract quality

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Speaker 3: I think they struggle in a seat like that. You know,

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Speaker 3: if there's Dion what's his name, d Duran. If Duran

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Speaker 3: it'll be very hard to win that seat.

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Speaker 1: Ye Hey, one thing I want to ask you both

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Speaker 1: very quickly about we just caught up a little while

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Speaker 1: ago with Kay Densley from the CPSU and this situation

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Speaker 1: with the public service wage freeze, Well it's at a

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Speaker 1: stand still, no doubt about it. She says that the

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Speaker 1: Chief Minister isn't meeting with them on this pay freeze.

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Speaker 1: Obviously they are concerned about the fact that that there's

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Speaker 1: only that one thousand dollars annual bonus on the table.

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Speaker 1: She said ninety eight percent of those surveyed members had

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Speaker 1: voted to reject the government's terms on this pay freeze.

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Speaker 1: I mean, really, do they need.

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Speaker 3: To just cash Cora? Amazing? They all voted that they

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Speaker 3: should get a pay rise. Who would have thought? Who

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Speaker 3: would have thought? This can be a bliek Densley. You know,

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Speaker 3: she's got to be out there telling everyone, look at

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Speaker 3: my members, they all voted to get a pay rise

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Speaker 3: and they're not getting one.

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Speaker 1: Need to just cop it here? Or on the other

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Speaker 1: side of things, do we need to sort of go on?

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Speaker 3: But her labor mates have cranked up nine billion dollars

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Speaker 3: worth of debt. Maybe she could have a look at

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Speaker 3: that and explain exactly.

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Speaker 1: Have to you know, have to copp a pay freeze

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Speaker 1: because Gunner and is more.

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Speaker 3: It comes from, well, I know where it comes from.

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Speaker 3: Tax pays know where.

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Speaker 1: It comes from.

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Speaker 3: But do you reckon we spend nine billion dollars more

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Speaker 3: than we've got.

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Speaker 1: Do you recommend and everybody else should have to cap

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Speaker 1: that because you know, because.

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Speaker 3: He's spend nine billion and you've got nine.

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Speaker 4: The public servant you've.

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Speaker 3: Got, you've got to give her credit for having a thick.

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Speaker 4: As a union.

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Speaker 2: As a union secretary, Densley will go into bat for

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Speaker 4: What she's paid to do every time.

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Speaker 2: And she's done a very good job over a long

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Speaker 2: period of time. And public servants, public servants jobs, public

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Speaker 2: servants jobs are always safer under labor than under those.

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Speaker 4: Every public servant in the Northern Territory should remember that

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Speaker 4: the stuff finished on the credit can we finished?

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Speaker 2: Every public serve in the Northern Territory understands this so well.

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Speaker 2: I know they might be a little bit disappointed at

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Speaker 2: the moment that the government's playing a little bit of

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Speaker 2: hardball with them. They're always better off under labor than

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Speaker 2: the other one. They should remember that when they go.

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Speaker 3: To the I remember convat Scar was jumping up when

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Speaker 3: they just lost government and we got into government and

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Speaker 3: we were so concerned about the potential of five point

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Speaker 3: five billion dollars worth of debt, and con got up

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Speaker 3: and he said, look, if we didn't go into debt,

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Speaker 3: we wouldn't have been able to pay teachers and nurses.

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Speaker 3: And I just thought, well, how amazing. This guy's just

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Speaker 3: walked into the Parliament and absolutely admitted to everyone that

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Speaker 3: they're borrowing to pay operational expenses. And you sit there

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Speaker 3: and you go, my god, that gun has taken it

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Speaker 3: to new levels. You know, it's just ridiculous. You know,

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Speaker 3: every budget is a couple of billion dollars over what

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Speaker 3: they get in income.

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Speaker 2: Were he gave the West Australia, he gave the Western

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Speaker 2: Australian government and elbow when he walked in here today

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Speaker 2: they just had a six point five billion dollar surplus.

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Speaker 4: He never talked that up.

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Speaker 3: You know where it came from, cross prices, through the

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Speaker 3: romine source revenue. They actually it came from.

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Speaker 4: You know, we prefence Australia.

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Speaker 3: Money comes from CANB.

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Speaker 1: We are going to have to wrap up issues.

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Speaker 4: Half hour again.

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Speaker 1: On very happy to.

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Speaker 4: Have the Member for Daily in the Parliament.

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Speaker 1: Thank you both so very much for joining us the

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Speaker 1: Big Issues.

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Speaker 4: Was always a pleasure.

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Speaker 1: It will catch you again next week. That was the

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Speaker 1: Big Issues Bradley. Brought to you by Kolaro community. So

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Speaker 1: I see action.