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Speaker 1: Get a. I'm Lola Berry, nutritionist, author, actor, TV presenter,

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Speaker 1: and professional oversharer. This podcast is all about celebrating failure

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Speaker 1: because I believe it's a chance for us to learn,

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Speaker 1: grow and face our blind spots. Each week, I'll interview

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Speaker 1: a different guest about their highs as well as they're lows,

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Speaker 1: all in a bid to inspire us to fearlessly fail.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special episode. We've just been prepping

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Speaker 1: the mics before we hit record and bosses in a

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Speaker 1: very bossy mood today, aren't you?

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Speaker 2: Wow? You'd think after seven hundred episodes you would know.

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Speaker 1: It's absolute monarchy. So let's dive in. We are here

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Speaker 1: today to celebrate the podcast turning six years.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday, So happy birthday. This is episode seven hundred

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Speaker 1: and forty eight.

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Speaker 2: Jeez right, that's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Do you know? I love about this pod?

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Speaker 2: What's that? Boss?

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Speaker 1: You? And I unintentionally yeah, made her a virgo. The

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Speaker 1: first episode came out on the twenty ninth of August

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Did it? Yeah? Ah?

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Speaker 1: And she turned six And this week what was that

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Speaker 1: first episode? Georgia Love was our first guest.

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Speaker 2: Oh was it? Yeah? Oh?

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Speaker 1: But we released a trailer on the twenty ninth of

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Speaker 1: August twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, come, was Georgia Love the actual first.

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Speaker 1: Guest, Yes, but I think I interviewed one person before her,

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Speaker 1: but I.

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Speaker 2: Got her about first. Amazing. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So we thought we'd do an episode where we just

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Speaker 1: run through smer like the highlights of having a pod

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Speaker 1: over the last six years. Also, Boss, congrats, this is

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Speaker 1: a feat. Podland is not an easy land to navigate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, congratulations to you. You've put a lot of work

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Speaker 2: into this.

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Speaker 1: There is some crazy statistic like that pods don't live

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Speaker 1: more than like, isn't it something like one hundred episodes?

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Speaker 3: I think it's probably less less, like like like any

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Speaker 3: kind of creative endeavors there, they're coming to fashion, They're

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Speaker 3: like a flash in the pan, and then people don't

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Speaker 3: have that stickability to continue to do them, you know,

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Speaker 3: like stickability.

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Speaker 2: Stickability is that a word?

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Speaker 1: I love it? Like resilience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it is a lot.

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Speaker 1: Here's why I tell anybody, because I coach people on podcasting.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I tell anybody about podcasting. Podcasting rewards hard work,

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Speaker 1: Like if you stick with it and you just keep going,

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Speaker 1: keep going, keep going, and it might not be profitable,

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Speaker 1: they say in America, they say podcasts aren't profitable. Into

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Speaker 1: your average downloads per episode sit between three and five thousand,

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Speaker 1: So that means like a huge percentage are going to

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Speaker 1: be sitting at like you know, you're just doing it

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Speaker 1: for the passion of it. Yeah, exactly, which like this

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Speaker 1: that's how this started, Yeah, of course, and it continues

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Speaker 1: like that is how this pot is navigated. Like I

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Speaker 1: still book all the guests, still do all the show notes,

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Speaker 1: you do all the production side of it, and we

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Speaker 1: pitch ourselves like we pitch to guests. Guests do get

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Speaker 1: pitched to us. But if it's not the right fit,

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Speaker 1: I this is like a baby to me, Like I

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Speaker 1: protect it. Yeah, you do good job. Well, I'm just

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Speaker 3: Wait, I think like anything, it's it requires so much

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Speaker 3: more work than anybody would ever think. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 3: think it only gets it.

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Speaker 2: Gets harder before it gets easier.

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Speaker 1: Well, and there's this kind of like EBB and flow,

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Speaker 1: like you'll have like a really you'll just have a

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Speaker 1: really good month, where for me sometimes I get booked.

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Speaker 1: So there's a difference between you can you might know

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Speaker 1: the terminology better than me. But there's a difference between

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Speaker 1: like ads that just pop up like pre mid and

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Speaker 1: en roll versus a host reading read right, and and

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Speaker 1: so if you get a host read that's a really

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Speaker 1: nice payday. But but host reads you can get like

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Speaker 1: four in a row and then nothing for six months. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 1: Like that's kind of like what's kind of like, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Your sponsored ads, But yeah, I think like you know

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Speaker 1: Well, I so I just have a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a note here because I'm a bit of a nerd

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Speaker 1: with preparing this come for So don't let your podcast

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Speaker 1: content get too comfortable. The comfort zone is the dead zone.

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Speaker 2: Do you like that?

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Speaker 1: Five creative risks that actually pay off?

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Speaker 1: Call out call out bs Okay, but that's fine, we

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Speaker 1: don't really do that. Share your biggest failures. Hello, Hello,

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Speaker 1: That's what the POD's called. Feel see failure, it says

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Speaker 1: with receipts, So like, don't just say I failed show

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Speaker 1: revenue loss, like share an unhappy customer email, like make

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Speaker 1: it real, talk about the sleepless nights and the tough

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Speaker 1: kind of very us. The other one is like, show

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Speaker 1: your unpolished process. Well, that's me. We keep We rarely

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Speaker 1: hit it unless a client asks us for or they

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Speaker 1: have a massive coughing fit or something like that, and

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Speaker 1: set public deadlines and goals. Ooh, public failure and loss

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Speaker 1: of credibility is the risk. But why it works is

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Speaker 1: people love following a journey, especially when the outcome is uncerned. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's me with the acting. Yeah, I just I just

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Speaker 1: there because people that listen to this might be a podcaster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And I think like as well, you know, you do

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Speaker 3: have to decide, like you know why why you are

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Speaker 3: doing a podcast and what you are doing it for.

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Speaker 3: I don't think like you can just start a podcast

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Speaker 3: is like it has to start from like a passion,

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Speaker 3: has to start from something that inspires you to like

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Speaker 3: talk about and not just have like random conversations.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, and I don't think it works if you

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Speaker 1: I think another cool thing that I read learning about

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Speaker 1: pods is give the listener a problem and the solution

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Speaker 1: so with us with this podcast feelessly failing. The problem

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Speaker 1: or follow our dreams. And the solution is injuring people

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Speaker 1: who've done that thing, all in a bid to inspire

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Speaker 1: us to like, you know, fan that flicker of a

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Speaker 1: you have a favorite pod over the last six holy

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Speaker 3: No, but I am favorite guests. No, No, I don't

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Speaker 3: iconic interviews that most downloaded. No, just like most most iconic.

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Speaker 1: Okay that you think I'm iconic booboo.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that these would be the ones that like, like, look,

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Speaker 3: you know, But I I would say, one of your

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Speaker 1: Going to say it?

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Speaker 2: I in the top of my list, I've got Dennis Walter.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yeah, mister Christmas.

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Speaker 3: Mister Christmas, I've got Dennis Walter. Beautiful voice, beautiful voice,

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Speaker 3: like very iconic Melbourne.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think that's what you were going to say.

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Speaker 2: No, I've got a list like that. They're not like

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Speaker 2: a ranking list, but there's a few people.

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Speaker 1: We often re release this episode around Christmas because he's

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Speaker 2: That really brought something to the pod.

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Speaker 3: I think another one of your favorite EPs and they've

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't have Chad on my list.

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Speaker 1: and I remember being like, I've been touched by an angel.

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Speaker 1: I've been I've been blessed people at a Welsh angel?

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Speaker 1: me if I have interviewed someone Breton, I also got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people with depths.

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Speaker 3: Also, like in general, like a lot of like pretty

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Speaker 1: I think online recording is a hurdle. Like obviously we've

440
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Speaker 1: done the odd zoom pod here and there. Like Joe

441
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: Wick's a really good example body Coach. He talked about

442
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: some really heavy stuff with his dad, like really really

443
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: heavy stuff and it was amazing. He was like, how

444
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Speaker 1: deep do you want to go? Loss? Because we'd toured

445
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Speaker 1: together in Australia, so we already had an existing friendship,

446
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Speaker 1: and I was like, let's go deep and so he

447
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: went there. But you're on zoom and so if I

448
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: got to chat with him in real life.

449
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Speaker 2: Oh emotional.

450
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Speaker 3: Well, I think now that you bring up Zoom as well,

451
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 3: like COVID, definitely was a hard and interesting time. Yeah,

452
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 3: you know, everything was online during that phase. So although

453
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: it was kind of like in a way almost easier

454
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Speaker 3: to get guests because everyone was just home doing that,

455
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Speaker 3: it was I think harder, yeah, because.

456
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Speaker 1: The connection and keep the integrity of sound quality and

457
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Speaker 1: the amount of times I've booked guests through publicists and

458
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Speaker 1: I'm like, they must have their own mic, they must

459
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Speaker 1: have me to deliver me there. And out of all

460
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Speaker 1: the guests we've done online, the only person that's done that.

461
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: Two people have done that. Actually, do you know who

462
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 1: doctor Carl? He recorded his own audio own centers the

463
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Speaker 1: file straight away actor superhandsome actor Joel Jackson.

464
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Speaker 2: Yeah that's right.

465
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was like on it and was like

466
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: boom and then like trying to do music stuff with you.

467
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: He was like creative, ready to roll. Yeah, it's just

468
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: so those things I would say logistics. I always say

469
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Speaker 1: to people, try to have a few EPs in the

470
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Speaker 1: can ahead, Oh you need to. Well that said, we

471
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Speaker 1: don't have a few epps in the can right now,

472
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Speaker 1: like we're recording this. It's going to come out in

473
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Speaker 1: a couple of hours. But usually we have a couple

474
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Speaker 1: of epps in the can, Like when I go to

475
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Speaker 1: Australia we record, I do two full recording days, one

476
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Speaker 1: in Melbourne and one in Sydney, and it's kind of

477
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Speaker 1: five six guests a day, like it's insane. But then

478
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: we bank them and then we've got them for releasing

479
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Speaker 1: down line, And I.

480
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Speaker 3: Think people don't realize that. You know, we do travel

481
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: quite a lot for the podcast. Yeah, so yeah, you know,

482
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 3: recording in Sydney, recording in Melbourne, wherever we are. When

483
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: we were in Byron, we drove to Gold Coast and

484
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 3: Brisbane and did heaps of things.

485
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Speaker 1: News pods I know we've done when do we go

486
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Speaker 1: to nusophor Steve Ewens? So, but I don't remember who

487
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: I pod it. We did a new supod.

488
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Speaker 3: Though, yeah, but yeah, so whatever you do, my travel Advisor,

489
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, whatever you do, it takes a lot more

490
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: work and effort than you think.

491
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Speaker 1: And and just be like read human behavior, be able

492
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Speaker 1: to read when your guest is uncomfortable, be Able to

493
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: read when your guest is like nervous, be able to

494
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: read when your guest is like going on a tangent

495
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: that may not serve the story or the pod. Like

496
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: you need to You are your own producer when you're

497
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: hosting a pod, so you need to be able to

498
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: kind of like reel them back in or like coax them,

499
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: or like if if they're not being able to find

500
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: the words, kind of like hand drip them, not drip them,

501
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, feed them like a

502
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: little bit of a prompt and then they'll be off

503
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: to the races and fine. Like you really need to

504
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: feel And I don't mean to sound like bulldog about this,

505
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: but you need to be if you're a host, I

506
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: think you need to be clear. You need to be prepared,

507
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: and you need to be sharp. And I don't mean

508
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: sharp like be sharp on your guest, but be able

509
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: to help the guests so that if they're going.

510
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 3: To be quick to be reactive, you being like on

511
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: top of it, that's all right.

512
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Speaker 1: And read them like I'll often do a lot of research.

513
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: Boss knows I'm a bit of a I overdo probably

514
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: the research a little bit, and then I will try

515
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: not to look at my notes. I still have them

516
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: there for a safety net, but I will just try

517
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: to connect, connect, connect, and like make eye contact when

518
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: they're telling a story, if they're looking up and kind

519
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: of like looking around the room and then all of

520
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: a sudden, the MIC's far away from their loveday to

521
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: the medium, but far out. He pulls that mic away

522
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: from his mouth when he's talking. Every time, I'm like,

523
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: get the mic.

524
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Speaker 2: Okay, boss, not three under the bus.

525
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 3: But Jesus Christ, how many times years of training you

526
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: because you get excited too and then your hands go

527
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 3: all over the ye I know, and you're there and

528
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: it's like just like just hold it to your.

529
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: Well, I know, I know, I know, I know.

530
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: Anyway, look again, it's all a learning process and it

531
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: takes time. And if you want to podcasts, like commit

532
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 3: to it.

533
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: And just do it and give yourself a window be

534
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: like I'm going to stick with this for a year

535
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: or I'm going to stick with it. And consistency is key.

536
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: If you say you're going to bring an episode out

537
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: every Wednesday, bring an episode out every Wednesday. If you're not,

538
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: if that's too much. Bring one out every second Monday.

539
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: Be consistent.

540
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 3: Also, you're not gonna like if you're going in into

541
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: it to like be like, oh, I'm going to make

542
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 3: keeps the money in my first like whatever, Like it's

543
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: not going to happen. So whatever you do, you have

544
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: to invest in yourself. Like we bought this gear, you

545
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 3: and I.

546
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: We've had it since the beginning.

547
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like we invested in this, we went we

548
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 3: went halves in it?

549
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: Did we did? We?

550
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah?

551
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: What was it? What it sets back? Like two and

552
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: a half grand? No less twelve hundred bucks? Yeah, Also

553
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: just on the investment piece in Obviously in Australia we

554
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: have access to studios to film in and filmed podcasting

555
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: is like a really big thing now. That's where it's

556
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: moving that way quite dramatically. Eighty one percent of people

557
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: in America prefer to watch them listen. Isn't that fascinating?

558
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: It's interesting.

559
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: So we've been when we book guests in America, I

560
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: hire a studio. The cost of that, you got to

561
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: hire the studio, you got to hire an editor for videos,

562
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: like it turns very quickly into a five hundred dollars project.

563
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: So like That's why I don't commit to always being

564
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: able to film the whole film really big guess or

565
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: people that specify, hey, I really want this filmed, can

566
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: we please do it? And I'll be like, this is

567
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: the budget? Do you want to help with the butt? Like,

568
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm really transparent about that, And I think that that's

569
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: really key because if you want to stay consistent, you

570
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: need to be able to manage the finances to keep

571
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: it consistent as well. Yeah, it's just something to be

572
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 1: aware of. But also the visual is now a big thing.

573
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Speaker 2: You've got to learn the business of it as well.

574
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: You've got to learn the whole.

575
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: Business, as with any creative career.

576
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Speaker 2: Cool, you know what's next on your list?

577
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: Well? Then, so we've talked about like the pain points

578
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: of podcasting and the hard kind of like things to

579
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: navigate and it's such a moving beast. But what are

580
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: the things that you think have worked?

581
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Speaker 2: And like the.

582
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Speaker 3: Highlines, definitely, I think I think the stuff with more depth,

583
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 3: more connection, more heartfelt stories is what works.

584
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: Longevity and vulnerability.

585
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Speaker 3: I don't I don't think and I don't mean this

586
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 3: in a bad way, but I don't think that just

587
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: like and as well, this isn't the podcast, Like, obviously

588
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: we cealerate failure and business and stuff like that, but

589
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: I don't think that just having like a like it's

590
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: not a you know, pregnancy.

591
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: Podcast or a grief podcast or whatever.

592
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 3: So I think those stories suit better in those specific

593
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: genre of podcasts. And unfortunately, I think that we have

594
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: become a bit of a narcissistic society that we all

595
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 3: think that our story is valid. And while it is

596
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: valid and it is like the journey of your own life,

597
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily need to be a podcast. You know,

598
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 3: we did you know, you just did that had the

599
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 3: mic away from your mouth and you just okay and

600
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 3: you were just like talk like away anyway. No, I

601
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 3: was just I was locking in with your boot, so

602
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: that yeah, so that is I was going on a

603
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: fucking tangent, right, But yes, so we are very narcissistic.

604
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: Not every story needs to be a podcast? And fuck

605
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: where was I going with this? Boss?

606
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: You were saying that that's where the story like, it

607
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: doesn't just need to be.

608
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yes, that's what works. So I think

609
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Speaker 2: that it's.

610
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 3: Those what works, inspiring vulnerable stories from people. But I

611
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 3: think what he's dumb is overly narcissistic, like I just

612
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 3: want to like talk about myself, or like have some

613
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: random fucking dude, twenty three year old dude talking about

614
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: that he wants his girlfriend to collect stamps or you

615
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: know what I mean that we don't need more of that.

616
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: We need like the world continually needs more depth and

617
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 3: it needs more inspiration and light. And I think that's

618
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: what will works, and I think that's what will continue

619
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: to work, and everything else is not that will come

620
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:14,959
Speaker 3: and go.

621
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Speaker 1: I also have a theory, and you know that I'm

622
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 1: obsessed with this saying at the moment, which is to

623
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: be relentlessly honest. Yeah, but I have a three that

624
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: when you're just telling the truth, it won't let you down.

625
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

626
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: Obviously you can protect certain things that you want to

627
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: keep private, or things that feel really sensitive, or things

628
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: that aren't yours to share. Of course, like don't do that.

629
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: But I mean as far as like if you're being

630
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: interviewed or if you are a host or an interviewing

631
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: someone and have a pod, like I think by coming

632
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: from that place of honesty, not coming from the place

633
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm going to share this big thing because I want

634
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: the audience to feel something or I want them to

635
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: think this of me. I think that's the wrong mentality.

636
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: I think it's just got to be like, hey, this

637
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: is the honest truth. Yeah, take it or leave it.

638
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: Hopefully it helps you, because that's why this podcast exists.

639
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not to like obviously not going to name names,

640
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: but I feel like you're trying to do that. Definitely

641
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 3: not but I feel like there have been a few

642
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 3: interviews that were a little bit rehearsed stories me yeah.

643
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 2: With me or guest a guess, not you.

644
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: I've interviewed people that have had books and they've told

645
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: me they keep I'm like, you need to promote your book.

646
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to promote it really heavily for you, and

647
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: I'll be like, how do you feel about this topic

648
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,959
Speaker 1: on chapter sixteen my book?

649
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying.

650
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 3: It's like this like rehearsed storyline. It's like people don't

651
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 3: fucking want to hear that people want.

652
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: But we've also learned not to say yes to that

653
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 1: kind of guest exactly. We don't someone that's like I

654
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: want to come on and promote my business. I'm like, well,

655
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: that's not enough of the story. I'm so sorry. This

656
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: and I always say, this isn't a podcast to just

657
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: advertise yourself. It never is that. It's a podcast to

658
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: like share the truth and like show and tell the

659
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: listeners that you're giving your dreams a red hot crack. Yeah,

660
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: so that it helps them do the same. Like that

661
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: is the whole like emo of this podcast, not the

662
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: guests buying your online program or buy like we have

663
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: that said, we do have a lot of authors on,

664
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: but they don't the really good ones like Candae Trance,

665
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: Like they don't not spook their like I'm spooking their

666
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: books and they'll be like touched if I'd read a book,

667
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: Like they're just artists that are so excited that someone's

668
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: picked up their books. And of course they're the two

669
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: biggest sellers in Australia, yeah, those two authors, because they

670
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: come from that space. So I think it's like if

671
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: you are going to be a host or a pod

672
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: producer or which I would say you're a producer of

673
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: this pod. Oh yeah, but I think like, don't be

674
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: afraid of like having a really clear boundary about the

675
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: themes that you want the pod to be about. The

676
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: guess the talk points the I've had a guess on

677
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 1: before and I'm like that topic we won't be talking

678
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: about today. I'm like, these are the five topics we're

679
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: going to be talking about. And they're like, okay, you know,

680
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: like it's your baby, it's your pod, Like protect it

681
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: for the audience and make it be what you've worked

682
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: so hard to create.

683
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: You got to have you got to like keep your

684
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: integrity absolutely.

685
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, yeah, And I just keep coming back

686
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: to this being relentlessly honest, Like just be honest.

687
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 3: And you know what again, if you do have to

688
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 3: say no to someone or they don't fit the podcast,

689
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: whether it's excuse me, whether it's you or someone else,

690
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: like the person like listening to this pod, just be

691
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: honest and be like, look, I it's not a perfect

692
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 3: fit for what I do.

693
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 2: It's not a perfect fit. Like thank you so much.

694
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: I love it.

695
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 3: I think it's really like amazing, like what you do.

696
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: And also it's ray even takes guts to reach out

697
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,479
Speaker 3: and pitch yourself and do all those things.

698
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: But you just be like, it's not right.

699
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: I said no the other week to a pod as

700
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:07,479
Speaker 1: a guest.

701
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 2: Do you remember. Yeah.

702
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: They were like the person wrote to me and they're

703
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: like Hey, we're Australian. We love everything you do in

704
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 1: the world of wellness. And I was like, okay, red

705
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: flag number one. I haven't written a health and wellness

706
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: book for what five six years, don't know, Yeah, obviously,

707
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: Like that's a huge part of my career that I loved,

708
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: but it's not what I do a lot of right now.

709
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm much more in acting podcasting land. And there was

710
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: no mention in the pod, no mention of acting, no

711
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: mention of any like changing of careers. It was just like,

712
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: can we you know, have you on and can you

713
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,439
Speaker 1: talk about nutrition? And I'm like sure, but I don't

714
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: do that anymore. And I'm like so happy to come

715
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: on and share, but I'd be more willing to share

716
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: what's true for me right now, which is having the

717
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: courage to change careers in my mid thirties and go

718
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: after one of the hardest careers in the world, which

719
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: is I think, move countries and all those scary hard things.

720
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Speaker 1: And they responded with can we have a can we

721
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 1: please have a zoom practice call with you? And then

722
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Speaker 1: I was like no, Well, I was just like I

723
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: don't have the time to do two interviews in one

724
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: like this. Might sound really be ego, but I was

725
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: just like, I don't have the time for two interviews.

726
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: I said, you are more than welcome to email me.

727
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: I was like, you can email me pre questions, you

728
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: can email me talk points. I just can't jump on

729
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: a zoom just to shoot the shit and it not

730
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: be for the benefit of your pod. And another good

731
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: thing to ask if you are wanting to go on

732
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: a pod or if people are pitching to you to

733
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: come on their pod, go can I have a couple

734
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: of example apps? And they couldn't do that for me

735
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: and the pod didn't exist. Yeah, And so I was like,

736
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: I can't see stats. I don't know what other talent's like.

737
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really know what it's about.

738
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they wanted wellness and I'm like, there are

739
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: there are so many other wellness people in Australia that

740
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: can do a better job than me.

741
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 2: So I think on that as well.

742
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: If you are starting a podcast, right, start with your friends, start.

743
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: With people you know as guests.

744
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

745
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 3: Well, like the thing is like, you're not going to

746
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: be able to like get a big guest in your

747
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 3: first month of podcasting.

748
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: We had Georgia Love.

749
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 3: It's because we know Georgia love we both meet, Like

750
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 3: I knew Georgia separately to you, you knew her separately

751
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: before we even met. You've been friends with Liesel for

752
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 3: like ten years before that, do you know what I mean?

753
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: Like all the first season were people that like, we

754
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 3: have their phone numbers and context and call.

755
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: That's true. I never thought of it like that.

756
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like, obviously not everyone's in that position

757
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 3: to be like I'm friends with fucking you know, Liesel

758
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: and Megan Galeen shit. But if you are starting something,

759
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 3: start with what you can get access to.

760
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: Can I also share though, When I started doing more

761
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: acting stuff and wanted to get big actors on, I

762
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: had no contacts with any of them, and so what

763
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: I would do was I would write to their acting

764
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: agent and I would send them two example episodes. I'd

765
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: just picked the strongest ones as far as like that

766
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: were in the same genre. It's like somebody out like

767
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: George Loves quite a good one because she's a TV

768
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 1: host and newsreader, and I would pick or I would

769
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: pick a name that I feel like they'd know. Again,

770
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: Lisal is a great one too, because everyone knows lizel

771
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: Jones and I'd be like, here's two example episodes. I

772
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: put a little kind of just like one pager pitch yeah, doc,

773
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: and I'm just like herego. And often they'll write back,

774
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: especially acting agents, what's your budget? And I always go,

775
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: there isn't one. Just be really honest with everybody, And

776
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: then they still send it to the actor and the

777
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: actor says yes, no, Zoe Tarracus, Yeah, I went that.

778
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: That's how I got Zoe Tarracus on the pod and

779
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: they will flipping unreal, might I say? And I was

780
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: quite nervous for Zoe on the pod because I was

781
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 1: just like, I didn't want to like f it up.

782
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: I was nervous because they're such an amazing actor. Also

783
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: didn't want to stuff up any Zoe Tarracus is non

784
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: binary trans as well, and I was like, what if

785
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: I say the wrong thing? I was so nervous, And

786
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: I actually said that to Zoe before we started recording.

787
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm so sorry if I stuff any

788
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: of this up, like I fully respect you, and so

789
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: I was like, don't even worry.

790
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

791
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: So it's like I changed my mind too, don't worry.

792
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 1: But wasn't that a really cool? That was another really

793
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: cool interview.

794
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, No, it's been a lot.

795
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: Any you regret or want a takedown?

796
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: No, none, I regret. But some that were hard.

797
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

798
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: So I interviewed someone and they bought a whole team

799
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: in with them. They bought in like their own publicist

800
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: at which I've done episodes many times before with publicists

801
00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: in the room and their own producer, and it just

802
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: changed the energy of it all and it made it

803
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: less human for me. And that other one that was

804
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: hard was the person that was just like on chapter

805
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: six of my book, and I was like, oh my god.

806
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: One person that I really enjoyed interviewing. They shared a

807
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: effing epic story about a really famous, famous person and

808
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 1: they made us cut it out. Do you remember that

809
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: It was such a good story, It was such a

810
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: fun and it really humanized this person, Like it made

811
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: this person seem.

812
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 2: Likely say the story because it like.

813
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: No, she made us cut it out. She oh sorry,

814
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: like say, there we go, we've narrowed it down to

815
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: the guests.

816
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: Well yeah, probably eighty percent.

817
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah you're right, yeah, But so that stuff can be hard.

818
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: I've also had people on that are different in real

819
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: life to how they let you kick They are, and

820
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: so that's a little bit of a hard pill to

821
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: swallow when it's like the veil falls down because you

822
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: get to see them off Mic and then on Mike,

823
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: and that I'm a little disheartening as far as like

824
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: as far as like I'm also and Matt Tommy this

825
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: last night. I make the mistake of putting people on

826
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: pedestals and it all the time, especially with like creative.

827
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: So there's been a few people where I've like gone

828
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: to the house been so excited and then I'm like, oh,

829
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: you're not that noise. Yeah, there's a bit of that,

830
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: but this is using This is like less than five

831
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: percent totally.

832
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: This is like a very very few And just going

833
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: back to the editing thing. Of all the episodes, there

834
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: has never been any major edit in any of the

835
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: interviews I reckon There's there was.

836
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: One serious one. Remember, there was one that shared a

837
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: really heavy there was yes sexual assault experience, and we

838
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: had to cut that.

839
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: Out, But that only got cut out after right, not

840
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: at the time like later on they asked to cut

841
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 3: it out.

842
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: That was one a celeb story we cut.

843
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 3: And I can't think of any any other major ones.

844
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: One thing I have we haven't talked about we have

845
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: lost two episodes.

846
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's probably my fault though.

847
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: We've lost two episodes, one with Jordana, who luckily is

848
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: of mate, so she came over and we re recorded.

849
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

850
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: The other one was with that sex therapist, remember, yeah,

851
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: and we just lost their files. I think they were

852
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: both my fault. If I had to be honest, I think, yeah,

853
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: I think I wiped the memories.

854
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

855
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: Luckily Jordana's a friend, so we've really lost one and

856
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: you've done like three or four episodes with her. Anyway,

857
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 3: it's an astrology. It's very very cool. Anyway, it's a

858
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 3: good wrap up. I think keep going, and.

859
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: I think if I can share like some like titbits,

860
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: some really good bits from like some of the guests,

861
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: it's like that Candice Fox moment of like feel the

862
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: fear and do it anyway, like have the courage, just

863
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: like give it a shake, like don't have the regret

864
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: of Like I wonder what it'd be like to have

865
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: a pod. But I also think, like put on we're

866
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: in Virgo season, put on your Burgo cap plant, budget

867
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: for it, you know, get help book pod coaching. I

868
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: do that by the way you can email me, you know,

869
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: like it set it up for yourself so that you're like, Okay,

870
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: I've got a plan. Try and get like four to

871
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: six episodes in the camp before you release, before you announce,

872
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: before you do all the fun insta artwork and all

873
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: of that. Like, if you're going to commit, commit and

874
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: really like I would say, give it a year. But

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Speaker 1: if you don't have that amount of time, give it

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Speaker 1: six months and make it a priority.

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Speaker 3: Even six months, I think it's too short. Yeah, but

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Speaker 3: give it. Give it a wide birth to be successful.

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Speaker 1: A wide berth. Yeah. Do you mean by like, like

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Speaker 1: a big area of time? I thought of why birth

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Speaker 1: means you stay away from something. Huh, I'm giving them

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Speaker 1: a wide berth.

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Speaker 3: I thought it's like a like a large distance of

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Speaker 3: like a like a long a long runway to success.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. Don't pull me up on my

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Speaker 2: That's fine.

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Speaker 1: I know what you mean. Give it, give it breathing space,

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Speaker 1: like give it time to live and morph. And like

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Speaker 1: ours has changed so much over the years, Like it

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Speaker 1: definitely went through a phase of being mainly a health

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Speaker 1: pod of course, was more inspo pod, and then it

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Speaker 1: was more actor pod. And now it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: finding its home of just being like, we're sharing really

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Speaker 1: honest stories to help others.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right, Love you, love you.

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Speaker 1: Whou Gang. I hope this is inspiring.

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Speaker 2: Proud of you seven hundred and whatever, Episode.

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Speaker 1: Seven hundred and forty eight.

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Speaker 2: Wow wow wow, love you, love you.

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Speaker 1: Bye. That's a wrap on another episode of Fearlessly Failing.

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Speaker 1: As always, thank you to our guests, and let's continue

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