1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Jonesy and Amanda in the mornings. 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 2: Safam. 3 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: You've probably seen Shaw mccarliff on your TV for over 4 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: twenty five years, everything from mad as Hell talking about 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: your generation where I played along with him. But he's 6 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: got a new docco a series delving into Australia's drinking culture. 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: It's called Sean Macrloff's on the Source but before he's 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: on the Sources on the wireless with us this morning. 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: Hello Sean, How are you? 10 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 3: Amanda? How are you? Hello? Joan? 11 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: Hello Sean. 12 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 3: That's very nice, very nice introduction, and I. 13 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: Like you having ACDC have a drink on me as well. 14 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: I know you're a big ACDC fan. 15 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: No, did you have to ring them and ask permission? 16 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 3: Did you get clearances to play that? Underneath that intro, 17 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 3: we've got. 18 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: The Angus Young Hotline in the studio. 19 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 3: That's great. 20 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: Now, I've known you for a long time and I 21 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: know that you don't drinks. 22 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 2: Has there been a lot of pressure. 23 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,639 Speaker 1: On you in an industry it seems where we all 24 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: are pressured to have a drink. 25 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 3: I do remember years ago, this was before or long 26 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 3: time go and I won't say who it was, but 27 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 3: I did go. I did remember speaking to a network 28 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 3: CEO and it was about four o'clock in the afternoon 29 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 3: and no judgment, but I was offered a drink and 30 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 3: I said, I don't drink anyway, but I said, oh, 31 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 3: no thanks, and he looked at the clock and he said, oh, 32 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: what too early for you? And I said, oh, no, no, 33 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: it's not it's not that, it's just that I don't 34 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 3: drink it, and he there was a kind of I 35 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 3: think he thought I was making a judgment about him. 36 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 3: And it's but very often the case that if if 37 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,919 Speaker 3: you don't drink and you do say or no thanks, 38 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 3: you know, quite politely to say no thanks, it's kind 39 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: of like a projection or they there's a there's a 40 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 3: weird sort of guilt driven feeling that you're making a 41 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 3: judgment about other people. And it's very interesting. I haven't 42 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: quite teased it out yet, but it's probably worthy of 43 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: a documentary series on its own. But this one's about 44 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: This one's about people, people who actually consume our cohoal. 45 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: There's a little bit of stuff in there about people 46 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: who don't, because I think it's all tired together. But yeah, 47 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: it was a really interesting trip around Australia. 48 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: Do you drink but you don't drink anymore? When was 49 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: the last time you got drunk? 50 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: Well, that would have been the last time I actually 51 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: had a drink, because that's all I used to do. 52 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: If I was going to have a drink, it was 53 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: the same thing as getting drunk for me. So that 54 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: was at university, you know, sort of between the ages 55 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: of eighteen, when I had my first drink. In about 56 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: twenty four, I think about the time I got engaged 57 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: to be married, and I thought it wasn't very I 58 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: wasn't very good at it, so I thought I thought 59 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: a better stop immediately. 60 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: So do you what if you found I think anecdotally 61 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: a lot more young people aren't drinking these days. Did 62 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: you find that? 63 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 3: That's so, that's what the statistics say, And that's certainly 64 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 3: what people are probably that might be doing something else 65 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 3: or might be unwinding in a different way, but alcoholism 66 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: we just seem to be playing as important a role 67 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 3: as it did. Oddly enough, we hit our peak in 68 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 3: about the seventh in the mid seventies, about ninety seventy 69 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: five or something. In terms of per head consumption of alcohol, 70 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 3: it was at its highest in this country, and tail 71 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: off since. But oddly enough, women are drinking more per 72 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 3: head since, so there's the race for parity. I think 73 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: there that was interesting. I don't know why that would be. 74 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know why that would be. Maybe it's 75 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: got something to do with workforce or you know, those 76 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: all those things that maybe weren't present in the sixties, 77 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 3: the fifties, sixties and seventies, but they've been removed. And 78 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: apparently the alcohol is the reward. 79 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: Your family, your mom and dad, were they drinkers. 80 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 3: No, No, they didn't have We didn't have any have 81 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: any alcohol in the house. And so when I returned 82 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 3: eighteen and was allowed to have a drink, you know, 83 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 3: I really didn't have any adult examples of it in 84 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 3: close proximity. I mean, I'd seen people have a bit 85 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 3: too much to drink at my you know, when I 86 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: was growing up, when I was a kid, used to 87 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: go to my grandfather's bowls club, and if you were 88 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 3: there after five, there was usually somebody who was a 89 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: bit loud, you know, and maybe we used to have 90 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: a news We used to be the ones having the 91 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: news e parties, so the neighbor's got a bit loud, 92 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 3: and you know, I kind of knew that it was 93 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 3: to do with drinking. This is as a child, like 94 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: about five or six, I kind of I kind of 95 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 3: work that out, but I didn't really get how it worked, 96 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 3: and we never talked about it. So the result of 97 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: that was that if I did come home a little 98 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: worse awaar from university, from some function, you know, I 99 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: would hide it. I would well thought I could. I think, 100 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: I think you think you're a bit clever than than 101 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 3: you are when you found a trick. So I was 102 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 3: no doubt speaking very loudly and too clearly giving it 103 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: away enunciation. 104 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 4: But you've got kids, and they are they would be 105 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 4: at a drinking age. 106 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: Now do they drink? 107 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: Well? They do now. I mean when I when the 108 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 3: idea for the series came, it was really out of 109 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 3: that concern that I really because I because I'm a 110 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 3: teetotal and have never thought about it. Excuse me a 111 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: sense to signing that you up. I didn't have any 112 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: have any constructive advice. I had advice which was, oh, 113 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 3: I don't bother with it, it's not necessary. But that's 114 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 3: not that's not a special yeah. 115 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 4: Because you know, you know, I've noticed as we get older, 116 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 4: when you're younger, you lie about the amount of that 117 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 4: you can drink, and when you're older, you downplay the 118 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 4: amount that you drink. 119 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 3: Yes, that's very interesting, Jones. I should have spoken to 120 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: you for the doco. 121 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 2: I'm a documentary right here. 122 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 4: I was talking to the girls and they said, I 123 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 4: had a big night on on the beer and they said, 124 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 4: how many beers did you drink? And I said, oh, 125 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 4: probably about fifteen. And they looked at me and I said, well, 126 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 4: that's not that bad. And then I realized I did 127 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 4: a bit of research myself, and I thought that is 128 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 4: pretty bad. 129 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Look, it doesn't take much to be bad. 130 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, in terms of your health. 131 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: And that was one of the things. One of the 132 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: takeaways for me was how little I knew about the 133 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 3: about what it is and what it does and all 134 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: that's important. I'm not suggesting for a moment this documentary 135 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: is a big finger wagging exercise. But you know, people 136 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: can make decisions. We all enjoy adventure and risk, and 137 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 3: you know, we do that every day and we leap 138 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 3: out of planes or we you know, we have fun 139 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: and we offset the risk. You know, but if you 140 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 3: know what, because we do it in this country without 141 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: thinking at all about it. You know, it's more likely 142 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: that you will have to address your mind to not 143 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 3: drinking than you will to drinking. You know, it's you 144 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: just turn around and there's a class. In fact, if 145 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: you look at the studio now a matter, if you 146 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: look to your right, look there's a class to be 147 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: there already. 148 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: The cocktail umbrella in it? 149 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: Is that too early for you? Were man? 150 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: You know what I'm looking forward to on the show 151 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 1: is I know you're going to be in this balls 152 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: eighteenth and eighteenth birthday, an all girl pub crawl. I 153 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: can only imagine the thrill that that was. 154 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: Well, you know, there was a very very interesting I mean, 155 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 3: there's a lot of bonding that goes on in communities, 156 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 3: whether it's sport or whether it's certainly those country communities, 157 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 3: and that was one of the things that I hadn't participated, 158 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 3: and I suppose I had. You know, at university there's 159 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 3: a sort of shared experience of the common experience, you 160 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 3: know whatever that is, however reductive that is so for 161 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 3: a team or for a group of friends, you know, 162 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 3: that's that's a very helpful thing. I suspect you'd probably 163 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 3: do it without alcohol. But I mean the fact is 164 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 3: that in this country you'd do it more often than 165 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 3: not with alcohol. So I can see the helpful social 166 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: and benefits with you know, groups of like minded people. 167 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: I can see that, and that was interesting to just 168 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: be an observer on those and then and then while 169 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: people were enjoying themselves, try and talk about it. Now, 170 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: Jonjie were saying that people under kind of undersell what 171 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: they what they drink as they get older, and that's 172 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: very true that we We had that doubly so because 173 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 3: I'd speak to them before the camera was turned on 174 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: and they'd be quite frank about well, I thought, quite 175 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: frank about what they were drinking. As soon as you 176 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: turn the camera on, they' knocked couple of couple of 177 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: glasses off in terms of in terms of their daily consumption. 178 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: That's interesting, judge me. 179 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 4: They're thinking with the RBT, well, sure, there's always a 180 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: trade to talk to you. You can catch Shaw mccalluff 181 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 4: on the source. He won't be on the source. The 182 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 4: TV show is called that. It's ABC Tomorrow night and 183 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 4: every Tuesday for for how long? 184 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: Forever? 185 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: I hope, no, no, no, God, we couldn't pad it 186 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: out that long so three episodes. 187 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: One three episode series, which are great. 188 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: It's like an ep it is it's a bit it's 189 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 3: a bit like I mean, even though it spills into August, 190 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: it's kind of a dry July special. 191 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: Very nice. 192 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: Well, so nice to talk to you, Sean. 193 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. We should do it without the MIC's on. 194 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Okay, we'll do it now. You take care of yourself. 195 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: Guys. Joined the and Amanda in the morning at one 196 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 3: point seven t