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Speaker 1: As you've heard throughout this morning, we know that unfortunately

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Speaker 1: another horrendous situation occurring on Friday night. Police are indeed

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Speaker 1: investigating the stabbing death of a man in the city.

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Speaker 1: At about twelve thirty am on Saturday, I should say

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Speaker 1: police received a report of stabbing on Kavanagh Street, Darwin City.

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Speaker 1: When they arrived, cruise located a male aged thirty six

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Speaker 1: to Royal Dahin Hospital in a critical condition, but he

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Speaker 1: died as a result of his injuries. Now, crime scene

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Speaker 1: was declared and the area was cordoned off on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Major crime detectives are investigating the circumstances surrounding that incident

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Speaker 1: and are indeed calling for anyone with information to come forward.

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Speaker 1: So if you've got any further detail that you can

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Speaker 1: pass on to the Northern Territory Police. One three to one,

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Speaker 1: triple four is the number. Now, this incident, along with

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Speaker 1: many others, have left a lot of people in the

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Speaker 1: CBD really called on the Northern Territory government to take

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Speaker 1: some ergent action when it comes to crime and to

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Speaker 1: restore community safety. Now, joining me on the line right

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Speaker 1: now is a local business owner, the owner of Stomp Shoes,

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Speaker 1: Gella Catus.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to Gella.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 2: Gella.

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Speaker 1: What is your reaction or what was your reaction to

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Speaker 1: this latest incident over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a terrific really like it's one thing after

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Speaker 3: think things are just getting worse and not better, and

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Speaker 3: people are like dying. It's not like doing. They are dying.

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Speaker 3: They're getting hurt, they're getting severely hurt. And it's just

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Speaker 3: gotten to a point where I don't know, something has

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Speaker 3: to change drastically because people are they're too scared to

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Speaker 3: There's too like I know where we're planning a dinner shortly,

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Speaker 3: and we're all navigating how we're all going to get,

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Speaker 3: where going to go, and where we're all going to park,

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Speaker 3: and how we're all going to walk together. We've really

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Speaker 3: we just don't feel there's no trust.

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Speaker 1: And Gela, the thing is like I wish you were exaggerating.

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Speaker 1: I wish we were in a situation where it was

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Speaker 1: a bit of an exaggeration that you that your personal safety,

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Speaker 1: you know, was such an issue, But the fact is

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Speaker 1: here you yourself have had one of your staff members, Leah,

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Speaker 1: who we spoke to on it, just you know, two

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like where I don't even I'm sorry, I'm so stuck.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the fear, the constant reminder, the people are

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Speaker 3: just I think we've just had enough. Like it's just

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Speaker 3: gotten to a point where people just do not feel safe.

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Speaker 3: They they've had to work out how I mean. You know,

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Speaker 3: Leah was very, very lucky a young man came along

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Speaker 3: physically have happened. I mean, those girls were relentless, and

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Speaker 3: two days later they were spotted back down the alleyway

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Speaker 3: in itself. So there's no repercussion, there's no accountability, there's

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Speaker 3: no okay, who was looking for these kids eleven, thirteen,

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Speaker 3: not one was turning up to school, had a beautiful

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Speaker 3: mixed up with this thirteen year old suddenly not at school,

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Speaker 3: starts chrombing, which is a massive problem, massive problem. And

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize how toxic, but it's compared to ice,

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Speaker 3: so you know we have a problem. We had three

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Speaker 3: youths on Friday going around, one with a knife. They

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Speaker 3: were all under eighteen. One with the knife right now.

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Speaker 3: On Friday walked in yep, Friday afternoon, and I had

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Speaker 3: Looked like they had someone's handbag, so they were obviously

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Speaker 3: He said, well, you know, there's been a couple of incidences.

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Speaker 3: Where my alarm bells are going off? Going? Okay? Lee

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Speaker 3: Now if you're coming into our stores, I mean, what

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Speaker 3: panic button do I press for that? Katie?

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Speaker 2: What do I do?

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Speaker 3: How do I protect myself? How do I protect my

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: How do I how? How does the government explain to

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Speaker 3: Not text his mom and dad to say, hey, I've

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Speaker 3: been stabbed. I'm going to die. I love you. I

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Speaker 3: what is this is wrong?

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Speaker 2: It is?

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Speaker 3: Come on, government, wake up? You know in the last

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Speaker 3: two years, I'm just gonna have a rant, Katie.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. So it's fine.

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Speaker 3: In the last two years, we've had Harvest Press broken glass.

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Speaker 3: Last week itself, the owner from Delaney's came across his

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Speaker 3: window got broken into, blood everywhere. Poor Darlene at Attitude

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Speaker 3: for Men. Her whole front panel of her shop gone.

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Speaker 3: You know, the boys are good things. When they were open,

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Speaker 3: they got broken into twice and then just recently from behind. Again,

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Speaker 3: it's just one thing after another. I mean, yeah, we've

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Speaker 3: seen a little bit different. We don't have alcohol in

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Speaker 3: Now they're walking in with a knife. What do we

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, if we'll have no amount of

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Speaker 1: de escalation training, you know, no amount of de escalation

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Speaker 2: Is going to help.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: The fact is here we've got a really serious situation. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: I'm not employing people to be bodyguards. And that's the

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Speaker 3: same roup. I've had several conversations with the owners of

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Speaker 3: and and does that get tucked under the carpet, because

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Speaker 3: weeks and said to us straight out, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: is she okay?

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Speaker 2: Are you guys okay?

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Speaker 3: This is horrific, This is wrong. And every single one

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Speaker 3: of those people had a story, had a story about

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Speaker 3: violent behavior, had a story about cars being broken into houses,

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Speaker 3: this is becoming like a normal conversation.

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Speaker 2: And it can't, Honestly, it can't.

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Speaker 1: Like Gella, I feel like I've been banging my head

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Speaker 1: You know when it started to decline is when I

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Speaker 1: feels as though and even like you've said, you know,

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Speaker 1: when you're interacting with other long term territories, they're telling you.

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Speaker 2: It's gotten worse. You can't ignore that.

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Speaker 1: We can't ignore the fact that one of your staff's

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Speaker 1: been bashed on our way to the car.

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Speaker 2: You can't ignore the fact that.

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Speaker 1: Somebody has been stabbed in the CBD on Saturday morning.

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Speaker 1: And that's not the first incident of such severity that

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Speaker 2: It like, it has to change.

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Speaker 3: You know. I feel like I'm really passionate. You can

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Speaker 3: hear it. I love my town. Okay, it's our town too. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it's my Darlin too. I keep saying it. This is

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Speaker 3: Or seventeen years later here we are still right two.

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Speaker 3: It's the perfect place to raise our girls. It's the

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Speaker 3: perfect place. It's safe, it's easy. Life is just still there.

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Speaker 3: There's no hustle and bustle. The kids are safe. Well,

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Speaker 3: I can't say that anymore. I can't say that anymore

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Speaker 3: my kids have been assaulted at their workplaces as well.

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Speaker 3: You know, like it's relentless, and all we get is

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Speaker 3: not going to be good enough. You know, it's not

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Speaker 1: Well, and they need to remember there the politicians who

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Speaker 1: actually change the policy settings so that things can.

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Speaker 2: Get sorted out. What we're doing is not working.

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Speaker 3: Look, even on Friday, listening to the show, I heard

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Speaker 3: I had support for business owners. Yes, I had support.

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Speaker 3: People came in to see me and gave me cards

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Speaker 3: or we have viscure. We have done those things and

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Speaker 3: there are a few other things that can do. But

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Speaker 3: not once in your show did I hear, hey, let's

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Speaker 3: find some solution to get these kids off the street.

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Speaker 3: Why they're not at school. Why they're not at home

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Speaker 3: if they're in the foster kid system? Where are child services?

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Speaker 3: Why aren't they ringing a bell when they Okay, they've

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Speaker 3: missed two days of school, Okay, let's go find them.

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Speaker 3: I know, I get a text message from the school

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Speaker 3: say where are your kids? And sometimes they even get

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Speaker 3: a phone call. Where is that? Why? Two days after

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Speaker 3: I Lea got attacked, I was out doing my rubbish

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Speaker 3: then we're paying the price of that mischief. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: don't think so. I don't see how that is logical

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Speaker 2: Gelup, we are going to have to get ready to

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Speaker 1: But I do want to ask you, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've really you have outline what you want the government

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Speaker 1: to do there, but you know, look, how important is

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Speaker 1: it that they take action and they take it fast.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think. I mean, you're going to run

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Speaker 3: that's not what we want, really is it, Because you know,

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Speaker 3: if someone's going to get hurt, you need action. Now.

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Speaker 3: This seft approach is not working. It hasn't worked all

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Speaker 3: this time because say that we don't have a crime problem. Man,

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Speaker 3: you must live in some kind of bubble because all

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Speaker 3: you have to do is go to your local super

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Speaker 3: market to realize that we do have a major problem. Okay,

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Speaker 3: denial is not going to help. I don't think it's

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Speaker 3: a matter who said she. I think both governments have

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Speaker 3: you know this, this approach isn't working. We've got to

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Speaker 3: stronger because people are leaving the territory. They're leaving our

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Speaker 3: I'm so committed here, and this is why I'm passionate,

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Speaker 3: because why should I move my business?

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Speaker 2: Why should I leave?

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Speaker 3: Why should I close that these are the things that

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Speaker 3: go through my mind. But you I think they just

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Speaker 3: I think they need a harder approach. I think they

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Speaker 3: with all this money that they're lashing out to all

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Speaker 3: these departments to say, Okay, is this working? Because I

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Speaker 3: don't know.

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Speaker 2: Because if it's not to me, well that's right.

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Speaker 1: If it's not work, if they're not KPI's being reached,

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Speaker 1: and if they're not, actually you know, if we're not

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Speaker 1: seeing some kind of positive impact, well i'd been requestioning

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Speaker 1: where money is being invested.

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Speaker 3: I just want to say I think the police and

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Speaker 3: security guards are doing awesome jobs. Yeah, they are only

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Speaker 3: doing what they can and I understand that this is

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Speaker 3: have more power so that kids don't reoffend or don't

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Speaker 1: Gella, I really appreciate your time this morning, and I

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Speaker 1: can hear the passion in your voice, and I can

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Speaker 1: hear it because you're a long term territory and who

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Speaker 1: wants this place to thrive and you want to be

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you, thank.

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Speaker 1: You, thank you said a good no, not at all, Gella,

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Speaker 1: don't at all. Don't apologize because, honestly, what you guys

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Speaker 1: have been through over the last couple of weeks, and

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Speaker 1: what you've seen your friend and staff member go through,

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Speaker 1: I can totally understand why you're fired up and why

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Speaker 1: you want some action.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you,