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Speaker 1: Let's get straight into it because the Chief Minister, Michael

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Speaker 1: Gunner is waiting patiently in the studio. Good morning to

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Speaker 1: your chief minister. Welcome back on here, thank you, good

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Speaker 1: to be back. Now let's get into it because there's

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Speaker 1: certainly a lot to cover off and we know well.

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Speaker 1: The news of the day really is the latest concept

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Speaker 1: State of the State's report. It's been released and it

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Speaker 1: shows that once again the Northern Territory is the worst

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Speaker 1: performing economy in the country. Now, you told the paper

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Speaker 1: that the report's deeply flawed because it compares the Northern

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Speaker 1: Territory economy against its ten year average, which includes the

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Speaker 1: impets construction boom, and the report belongs in the recycling bin.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm not actually interested in trying to discredit concept.

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Speaker 1: The fact is that we do have some deep concerns

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Speaker 1: when it comes to when it comes to the economy.

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Speaker 1: We're doing it tough, and the expectation is that it's

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Speaker 1: going to be even tougher when the job keeper extension ends.

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Speaker 1: When are we going to begin to see some of

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Speaker 1: the positive impacts following on from the Territory's economic report,

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Speaker 1: the Turk report, And if we're no longer using important

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Speaker 1: documents like.

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Speaker 2: The State of the State report.

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Speaker 1: Will we have someone independent who measures those different benchmarks.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot there, Katie.

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Speaker 4: The first is that we are leading the national comeback

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Speaker 4: post Corona, so we've got some really good things that

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Speaker 4: are happening in the territory right now, while acknowledging there

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Speaker 4: are some businesses out there who are still struggling. So

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Speaker 4: we've got unemployment down, wages up, housing finance up, retail up,

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Speaker 4: tourism up. I feel sorry for some tour operators out

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Speaker 4: there who were specifically targeting international tourism, for example, so

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Speaker 4: we know there are parts of the economy that are

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Speaker 4: still hurting. As an example with that comp SEC report.

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Speaker 4: So I actually think most reports are actually really important

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Speaker 4: reading and helpful. With even the com SEC if you

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Speaker 4: want to look at how we compared to the IMPECS

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Speaker 4: high obviously it's relevant for that, but doesn't actually compare

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Speaker 4: us to the rest of the nation. And yet they

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Speaker 4: report as if we are being compared to the rest

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Speaker 1: If we don't actually I mean, if things like com sick,

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Speaker 1: if it's deeply flawed, what are we going to use

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Speaker 1: to actually measure those different benchmarks? Said there that you

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Speaker 1: know that we're performing better than the rest of the

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Speaker 4: Well, some of these are publicly nationally reported, So for example,

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Speaker 4: we're currently second when it comes to unemployment. That's a

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Speaker 4: national reporting benchmark. Deloitte released the report showing that we

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Speaker 4: were number one in the country last year for economic growth.

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Speaker 4: Concept actually had us last because it compared us to

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Speaker 4: the ten year high.

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Speaker 3: Now, I absolutely agree.

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Speaker 4: We are not where we were at the peak of

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Speaker 4: impex construction. That's correct, but that doesn't accurately compare us

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Speaker 4: understand the deep dive in the economy. So some of

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Speaker 4: those figures are generic. Right, the unemployment rate is where

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Speaker 4: it is at second second best in the country, but

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Speaker 4: I know one of the things that gets raising me

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Speaker 4: down south. There's never been a better time to advertise

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Speaker 2: So I just want to get back to where we

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Speaker 1: And the essence of that first question is, realistically, we've

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Speaker 1: though other states around the nation do use that comsept report.

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Speaker 1: How are we going to measure those benchmarks and how

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Speaker 4: So we'll obviously definitely report back on the Tercy Sorry

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Speaker 3: So we'll provide that.

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Speaker 4: They'll obviously provide a mechanism to hold us to account

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Speaker 4: I don't write down employment figures. That's done separately. Growth again,

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Speaker 4: how you're reading it. The concept doesn't provide useful data

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Speaker 1: A big issue that we've got here in the Northern

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Speaker 4: This is more about filling those jobs that are vacant.

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Speaker 4: So it's about helping small business, mainly small business attract workers.

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Speaker 4: Normally we do this through Desgnated Area Migration Agreement Mark two,

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Speaker 4: saying we have got jobs going, and we do have

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Speaker 2: An idea though how many jobs need to be filled.

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Speaker 4: So we have an unemployment rate of around five percent,

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Speaker 4: We're actually able to hold on to territories and track

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Speaker 2: How much is the campaign costing?

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good question. I'll give aat you about

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Speaker 2: Okay, because I'm keen to know.

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Speaker 1: I guess again, you know the essence of what I'm

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Speaker 1: draw people here to the Northern Territory to fill those jobs.

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Speaker 1: I'm keen to find out exactly how much the campaign

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'll fund you the info and how much

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Speaker 4: it's costing. I don't think as much. It's a marketing

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Speaker 4: grow their business a lot in hostality for example, as

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Speaker 2: So house is different to boundless possible.

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Speaker 4: So bounce possble as a brand, not a marketing campaign,

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Speaker 4: if that makes sense. So we mark it down South

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Speaker 4: We can't fill these jobs from within our own ranks.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's move along, because Chief, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: about you, but I've had a lot of Territorians get

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Speaker 2: That they've had is again crime.

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Speaker 1: Have you had Territorians contacting you and raising concerns about

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Speaker 4: Reducing crime will be a permanent task for anyone who

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Speaker 1: I've got a question here from one of our listeners.

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Speaker 1: It says, can you please ask mister Gunna White took

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Speaker 1: Now, I think what most people are really keen to

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Speaker 4: So you've just got to keep working at this. We've

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Speaker 4: So you've got to have those people at the front

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Speaker 4: end working working on it. We've flagged a number of

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Speaker 4: things that we want to work on it when it

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Speaker 4: there's a genuine consequence that breaks the cycle.

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Speaker 3: We've said we're going.

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Speaker 4: To review a range of different things such as the

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Speaker 1: So do those bail laws need to be strengthened with

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Speaker 4: So we have extremely strong bail laws and I think

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Speaker 4: we've got a seventy five percent success rate in terms

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Speaker 2: So, so yes or no, will those bail laws change?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think that's the issue.

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Speaker 1: No, So they will not change, because that's something that

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Speaker 1: So I mean in Alice Springs on the weekend there

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Speaker 4: I can give you absolute confidence Caddie that I agree

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Speaker 4: So we report back on those programs. But if you

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Speaker 4: That's why I want to see more consequences in that space,

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Speaker 1: Hard about those kids at the moment that are doing

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Speaker 4: Well, they soume experience that there is a consequence. Our

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Speaker 4: Not always are There are some unfortunately, some kids out

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Speaker 3: It just takes work work.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that this issue where some call it

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Speaker 4: I would be extremely frustrated if a police officer permanently,

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Speaker 2: Is it good job to be dropping kids time? Up

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Speaker 3: Though, it is your job.

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Speaker 4: If you find a kid on the street and you're

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Speaker 4: not necessary a police job. Police need to them pass

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Speaker 4: But we do need to know what's happening at home

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Speaker 1: Why, yeah, understand that. Now I want to talk about

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Speaker 4: So we've got ninety police going through training college. At

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Speaker 4: They were also on our borders with the Australian Defense Force

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to ask you about something that's

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Speaker 4: End, So as I understand it, they will be based

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Speaker 3: So this all.

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Speaker 4: Indicates increased activity in our region and more jobs here

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Speaker 2: Does it also make us a target?

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Speaker 4: I think if you get to that hypothetical space, everyone

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Speaker 1: Taking that into account and taking into account the fact

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Speaker 1: I mean, does that concern you as the Chief Minister.

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Speaker 4: I think that we always need to invest into the

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Speaker 4: That was in jeopardy over the last few years. We

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Speaker 1: So are you saying that realistically, if we have a

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Speaker 4: I think that's true for all countries. If you allow

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Chief Minister, actually, just on that note very quickly

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Speaker 3: received the latter.

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Speaker 2: He has received it, but no response yet.

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Speaker 3: Not yet.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll wait and here Chief Minister Michael Gonna

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Speaker 1: thank you for your time.

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Speaker 2: As always,