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Speaker 2: My name is doctor Justin Coulson. I'm a dad to

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Speaker 2: Happy Families, Kylie Coulson. I really love doing these podcasts

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Speaker 2: with you, having so much fun. Two weeks down, we're

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I just like listening to it after I dropped

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Speaker 2: Tell us if it's changing you like it's changing missus

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Speaker 2: Happy Families. You know, I've noticed that you are dealing

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Speaker 3: So it's no secret we're not watching a TV watching

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so neo means new Phobia means fear of so

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Speaker 2: fear of new foods. Most kids actually don't have fear

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that that's where our rule for the

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Speaker 3: I've never been a big seafood person, but you love seafood.

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Speaker 1: So when salmon was first put on my plate, that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I recognized in you that my children were

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Speaker 3: This is not something that I would normally eat. This

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Speaker 2: I think that's a critical take home message. We've got

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Speaker 2: you know, wrapped in foil, thrown in the ovenor on

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Speaker 2: the barbecue with the other Oh, you're not putting the

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Speaker 2: olives on, You're still wanted the olives.

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Speaker 1: I don't like.

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Speaker 2: We have such different food preferences. Amazing.

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Speaker 3: But the other day my sister had a laugh because

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Speaker 3: I said that we had to have garlic prawns.

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Speaker 2: Was the last time you won't touch prawns? You never

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Speaker 2: First of all, if you're struggling with fussy eaters, just

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Speaker 1: Well, you think about it.

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Speaker 3: When we have a brand new baby and as they

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Speaker 3: them we have to introduce her numerous times. Science, you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the next one would be be a good example,

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Speaker 2: let's say it's fish and you don't like fish. Tried

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Speaker 1: Think there's a real value in doing that, isn't there.

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Speaker 2: And you might actually discover that you've found your new

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