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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's the podcast for the time poor parent who just

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Speaker 2: once answers.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know that you told me that I'm not

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Speaker 1: allowed to talk about tonight's episode, and I know you're

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Speaker 1: you're literally rolling your eyes at me, But tonight is

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Speaker 1: going to be amazing. The finale of Parental Guidance Season

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Speaker 1: two happens tonight, and there are some incredible twists.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm going to have withdrawals after this because

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Speaker 3: you know what I've loved at the most. I love

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Speaker 3: how we all just come together and we're all snuggling

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Speaker 3: under the blankets and everyone in the family is just

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Speaker 3: so engaged and so united in trying to work out

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Speaker 3: what's going to happen next.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the kids love getting who's going to get through

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Speaker 1: and what's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: You've changed the format. In season one, you had four

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Speaker 3: parents going into the big House, and then you narrowed

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Speaker 3: it down to two parents and then there was a winner.

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Speaker 3: But this year you're going from four to one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay, I just watch the finale. You're going

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Speaker 1: to love it, and there's some twists that will blow

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Speaker 1: your mind.

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Speaker 3: Did that but I can't I can't think. What are

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Speaker 3: the twists you're gonna do?

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Speaker 1: You just wait and watch it. We don't actually do it.

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Speaker 1: The families do it. They you just wait much Anyway,

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Speaker 1: we're a boycott. We are not going to talk about

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Speaker 1: it other than to say that tonight is big. We

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Speaker 1: have to talk about last night, episode six of Parental

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Speaker 1: Guidance on Channel nine seven thirty last night, seven thirty

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Speaker 1: tonight for the finale last night, there were there were

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Speaker 1: two things that we've agreed need to be discussed. The

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Speaker 1: first thing that we're going to talk about is the

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Speaker 1: ice cream challenge. Here's fifty dollars gone by your ice

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Speaker 1: cream from the ice cream store.

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Speaker 3: Enjoy it all right, We're gonna let you.

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Speaker 4: Go in and get some ice cream. You can get

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Speaker 4: whatever you want, no restrictions.

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Speaker 1: Mention and challenge number two leaving the kids in the

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Speaker 1: city and telling them to find their way home. When

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Speaker 1: we're talking about nine year.

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Speaker 4: Old bye whye, we love you, bye bye.

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Speaker 3: Our kids are not scared of the world. Our kids

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Speaker 3: will take the world on head on. Am I oh way,

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Speaker 3: so our nine year old as we were watching that,

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Speaker 3: she literally cuddled into me and she said, please, don't

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Speaker 3: ever make me do that. She really held on and

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Speaker 3: she was like, don't do that to me. Normally she's

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Speaker 3: jumping at the bit, going can.

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Speaker 5: We try that challenge?

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Speaker 1: She didn't like that one all. No, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the ice cream challenge. The idea was we're going to

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Speaker 1: flick you at fifty go and buy some ice cream.

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Speaker 3: So this had an element of unfairness in it. If

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be truthful, You've got families who've got

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Speaker 3: one child and they're walking in with fifty dollars, and

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Speaker 1: Do you know what?

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Speaker 3: You can still get more than enough ice cream. I

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Speaker 3: understand that's kid, but it changes the dynamics of your

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Speaker 1: That's still more ice cream than you compete.

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Speaker 3: It is still ugh ice cream. But if you have

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Speaker 3: a totally different Okay, let's be cleansed. This is not

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Speaker 3: a challenge about what the kids choose to do. This

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Speaker 3: and use this as a teachable moment. I want to

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Speaker 3: Chris and Philippa the slow parents.

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Speaker 6: I think with slow parenting, we try and allow our

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Speaker 4: Guess, seeing what ice cream to aft off?

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Speaker 6: Fifty dollars is a lot of money. But I just

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Speaker 1: I loved how they just said, we're going to let

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Speaker 1: natural consequences roll out. In other words, we're not going

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Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, John, you get three flavors?

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Speaker 6: Would if I was choosing their ice cream, then yeah,

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Speaker 6: You might need some courtesy LIGs there. But I was

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Speaker 6: it taught them to tune back into their bodies and realize,

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Speaker 4: The time, it seems good, but then afterwards it's like,

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Speaker 7: Don't we find a bathroom?

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Speaker 3: To me, that's great parenting, brilliant, absolutely brilliant, because.

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Speaker 1: The parents have just said, this is an opportunity for

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Speaker 1: What will you do next time you're given fifty dollars

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Speaker 3: I think so often as parents we feel like we

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Speaker 1: You can't impose natural consequences.

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Speaker 3: But that's what that's the conversation, right right, And yet

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Speaker 3: and the opportunity we as parents have is to allow

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Speaker 1: I did say that Christian Philippa and their slow parenting

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Speaker 1: style was my highlight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I did question you on it.

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Speaker 1: You did. There is another one, but I don't. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to get to that in a minute. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: I'm not pushing you, but what the boys are going

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Speaker 1: A single? Okay, guys, all right there.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to start plays with a hedgehog cone.

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Speaker 3: We've had a little bit of descent in this season

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Speaker 3: But then when you hear their reasoning behind why, you

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Speaker 8: Now that we're on the road and where roads go, parents,

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Speaker 8: So I think the kids inadvertently learn about making sure

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Speaker 3: This is a value based challenge for them.

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Speaker 1: They're in a caravan, they're traveling around the country for

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Speaker 1: however long it is. I can't remember if it was

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Speaker 1: six months or twelve months, but it's an.

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Speaker 3: Extenme it's been going for two years.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, yeah, so it's a long time.

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Speaker 3: And John d living off their savings. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: working we don't have cash coming in. We've got to

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Speaker 3: be careful with our money. So fifty bucks on ice

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Speaker 3: cream for three kids, that's excessive. It's over the topic, extravagant,

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Speaker 3: like you said, it's a values statement that's being made here.

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Speaker 3: And I think when you watch the way they interact

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Speaker 3: they have no qualms in giving their kids autonomy and

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Speaker 3: allowing them to kind of, you know, stretch themselves. This

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Speaker 3: was one hundred percent of my mind this was just values.

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Speaker 3: This was strongly values based.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And speaking of values, when we watched the American parents,

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Speaker 1: Kim and Nick and the way they responded to Peter,

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Speaker 1: who really really went for it. Could I get.

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Speaker 4: Two scoops of lemon chocolate, lemon and something else? She's

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Speaker 1: And the cambre and another flavor. Once again, there was

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Speaker 1: in their response there was a I guess I would

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Speaker 1: probably use the word some shaming going on. Pierre, you

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Speaker 1: to waste that food.

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Speaker 4: I just think it's a little wasteful. So what are

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Speaker 4: we going to do with it when you don't finish it?

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Speaker 1: What made you get that much? They had fifty bucks?

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Speaker 3: I thought I'd spend it wisely. I loved her response though,

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Speaker 3: pineapple and said, and it's interesting, it's interesting as you

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Speaker 3: kind of watch that parenting style play out. Well, they

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Speaker 3: have given her so many opportunities, the autonomy stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they actually haven't. There's a lot of control going on.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Peter's nine and she's pretty happy to go along,

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Speaker 1: and she's a she's a well rounded, happy kid. I'm

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Speaker 1: again not throwing any shade at any of the parents.

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Speaker 1: We've got great parents, but certainly in this challenge we

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Speaker 1: see that coming out again. Values. Like the rod School parents,

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Speaker 1: American parents, it's all about aspiration and setting goals, and

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Speaker 1: the values come through so strongly.

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Speaker 3: You said that you had a second highlight. I'm stealing

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Speaker 3: it because it's actually my high shit. I loved Miller

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Speaker 3: from The Unstructured Family and the way he responded, You're

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Speaker 3: looking at this kid and he's staring at all of

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Speaker 4: I'm so sorry, but can I just have one more flavor?

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Speaker 3: Enjoy that one?

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Speaker 1: So that was super funny. But I love as they're

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Speaker 1: about to leave, and I love the bit where Magnolia says.

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Speaker 5: This and then your life sure very That was adorable,

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Speaker 5: heart melting, just kicking goals there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they walk out with their ice creams

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Speaker 1: and and we hear this from Miller.

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Speaker 6: I tried to get a bunch of flavors for us

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Speaker 6: to all share.

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Speaker 1: Ah, we got one from Lazy Yeah, that looks delicious.

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Speaker 3: Now, I think this is really noteworthy because you look

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Speaker 3: at all of the other families and multiple children in each.

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Speaker 3: At no point did any one of those other children

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Speaker 1: So how do you teach your kids to be generous

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Speaker 1: and also to be thoughtful about what they're ordering? How

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Speaker 1: do you teach them to share? I reckon that's a

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Speaker 3: You look at the contrast between the unstructured family and say,

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Speaker 1: In real life. Okay, So Jonathan, the influencer parent made

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Speaker 3: They've actually done it with bravery and courage because they

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Speaker 2: Yes, our kids have grown enormously since adapting the road

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Speaker 1: a diverse. He's like, I've got to catch the five

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Speaker 1: five five. Hang on five five five, No, I think

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Speaker 1: I should write it on my arm.

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Speaker 3: He was brilliant. And then to have that little pet stop.

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Speaker 1: Can I get?

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Speaker 3: But then he left it behind, And you know what,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to applaud him every step of the way

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Speaker 3: because how many kids would actually be aware enough to

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Speaker 3: the order. Would you not be sidetracked enough that you're thinking,

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Speaker 3: I've just got to wait for this, because I think

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Speaker 3: I would be Kylie.

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Speaker 1: There's also more to the store. So Miller just kind

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Speaker 1: of hung out in the city, like he missed the

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Speaker 1: walking around the city. And then he's ordered the Big

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Speaker 1: Mac and then he's gone, oh, I really need to

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Speaker 3: No wonder they were freaking out at the other end.

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Speaker 3: Why did they not show that that would have been brilliant.

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Speaker 1: I guess you can only fit so much into the edit.

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Speaker 1: But really, but he just he did such a great job,

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Speaker 1: missed out on the big Mac. I hope that his

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Speaker 1: parents bought him one afterwards for doing such a great job.

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Speaker 1: I love this show and I love the conversations. I

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Speaker 1: love the activities, I love the challenges. I love what

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Speaker 1: it teaches us. I guess the one thing that I

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Speaker 1: would say about this find you a home activity is

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Speaker 1: number one. I don't think that it's wise for people

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Speaker 1: to encourage their nine year olds to catch public transport

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Speaker 1: on their own. This was a one off because of

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Speaker 1: the circumstances that the TV show permits. But what we

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Speaker 1: can do is we can help them to become familiar

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Speaker 1: around about nine ten eleven, because they need to know

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Speaker 1: how to navigate their way around. These are important life skills,

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Speaker 1: and as parents, we've got an opportunity to help to

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Speaker 1: prepare them.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I used toill love doing

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Speaker 3: when I was younger, was using the Refidex and telling

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Speaker 3: my parents how to get home the Refordex.

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Speaker 1: Do you mean the UbD.

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Speaker 3: It was called the Refidex.

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Speaker 1: We had a UbD. Maybe it's the same thing. It

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Speaker 1: is the same I'm going to google it. Maybe they're

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Speaker 1: just different brands of the same thing. So I've just

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Speaker 1: googled right now. When the UbD came out in the

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Speaker 1: early nineteen sixties in color, the Refidex was dead. Subsequently,

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Speaker 1: UbD resurrected or bought the brand name and added it

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Speaker 1: as a secondary title to the Brisbane Directory. That's why

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Speaker 1: you think it's a Refidex, because you were brought up

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Speaker 1: in Brisbane and they had a Refidex in Brisbane, but

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Speaker 1: it was UbD everywhere else.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I was going to say, I'm not that old,

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Speaker 3: not from the nineteen sixties.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Your point was, it's nice to sit in the

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Speaker 1: car with the mask.

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Speaker 3: So my parents would, well my dad specifically would let

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Speaker 3: me read the Refordex and tell them how to get home.

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Speaker 3: So we don't have those anymore. But you know, even

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Speaker 3: just getting the kids to direct you to get from

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Speaker 3: school to home. How many times I've taken other children

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Speaker 3: home to their house and thought, I'll just rely on

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Speaker 3: their instructions to get me to their house because they

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Speaker 3: go there all the time and they can't get me there.

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Speaker 1: Great point, so just you know those.

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Speaker 3: Little things is so important for our kids to recognize

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Speaker 3: their surroundings and understand where they are and how they

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Speaker 3: fit into the.

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Speaker 1: Big world, even without a map. Just hate kids, Here's

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Speaker 1: where we are. I want you to get me home today.

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Speaker 1: You're driving out of the shopping center, carpark, Do I

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Speaker 1: turn left or right? That kind of thing. It forces

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Speaker 1: the kids to become aware of their surroundings. So much

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Speaker 1: fun out of this TV show. I just I love

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Speaker 1: the conversations tonight. Like I said the finale, you don't

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Speaker 1: want to miss it. Can't wait to talk about it tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: The Happy Families podcast is produced by Justin Rowland from

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Speaker 1: Bridge Media. Craig Bruce is our executive producer. And if

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Speaker 1: you want more info about making your family happier, check

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Speaker 1: out my new book, The Parenting Revolution. It's in store

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