WEBVTT - The TikTok Blood Bath 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:05.240 Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:09.119 hottest influenza and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.559 Amy Torber and coming up on today's show, The Kate 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:17.079 Forster and Sarbi Store TikTok blood Bath, Michael Finch opens 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:20.680 up about hitting rock bottom, and Andre Ribello is found 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.439 guilty of murdering his mother. But first, Tammy Hembro and 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.600 Matt Zakowski have surprised their followers by opting for a 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:31.640 winter honeymoon in Lapland. It looks so Christmasy and magical there. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.160 It is the perfect time of year to go to Lapland. 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.120 But I did think that they might go back to 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.760 the Maldives, Yeah, because that's where they got engaged. I 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.400 think everyone thought that they would opt for a hot honeymoon. 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:43.479 But it sort of makes sense because they're from the 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.280 Gold Coast. They travel whenever they want. You know, Tammy's 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.800 got the money to do so, so they're probably thinking, 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.639 what's something a little bit different. I also think they 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:53.599 wanted to make a bit of a statement with their 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.200 choice of honeymoon location. I mean, their whole wedding has 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:58.440 been a statement so far, and the fact that They're 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:02.120 doing something so different is creating a lot of attention 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.880 and engagement. Surely there is some kind of sponsorship agreement 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.280 going on, even if it was just Lapland's Tourism Commission 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.400 sponsoring this holiday. Because there have been so many epic 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.160 tiktoks that Tammy has shared, it's made me feel like 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:17.679 I need to go to Lapland. Like the shots they 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:20.840 got of the northern lights at their resort. I also 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:23.440 want to know did they have someone following them around. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:24.280 Filming these videos. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.640 It's funny you say that, because they actually ended up 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.160 getting locked out of their cabin because they wanted to 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.480 do a little photo shoot. So Tammy asked Matt to 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:34.320 take some photos of her, and she reminded him to 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:36.959 grab the key card, but he forgot and they ended 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:39.920 up being stranded for quite some time outside. 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:41.560 They actually had to seek. 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.440 Refuge in this half built cabin because it was so cold. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.119 This happened to some friends of mine who were holidaying 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:48.800 in the snow. So they went out to have a 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.400 spa and decided to skinny dip and they got locked 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:53.200 out of their chalet. And it was only out of 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:55.920 luck that the person who owned the Airbnb popped by 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:57.040 to see if they're okay. 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:00.480 They're like, we could have died. That is my worst man. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:03.240 Going back to whether this is a sponsored trip or 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:05.520 there's elements that are gifted, I think it could be 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.000 because Tammy has posted the name of the accommodation a 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:11.639 number of times, so they're staying at the Aurora Collection 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:15.079 Laplan Resort, and the Daily Mail is reporting that the 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.120 accommodation is costing as much as one thy one hundred 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.440 per night, which I actually thought was low balling it 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.560 because I definitely think that they're spending a lot more. 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.119 I had a look on the accommodation's website and they 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.200 offer a four night package, so for four nights is 0:02:30.200 --> 0:02:33.800 two nine hundred and sixty five dollars per person, and 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.280 with that it includes a lot of the activities that 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.520 they're doing. So the activities range from a husky safari, 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.359 a reindeer safari, and also Arctic ice karting. I've seen 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.720 them do a couple of those activities so far. What 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.040 they seem to be spending most of their time doing 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.800 is watching Christmas movies, though which I can get around. 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.680 It looks so magical. It's quite romantic as well. A 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.840 lot of people were calling Tammy and Matt's wedding the 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.320 content wedding, and I needed a palate cleanser from them, 0:02:59.320 --> 0:03:01.800 and this honey moon has provided the goods. I'm really 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.440 enjoying seeing it, but it may get to a point 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:05.840 where I'm sick of it. I think that happens with 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:06.919 when anyone. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:07.280 Goes on holiday. 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:09.400 Though you enjoyed the first couple of bits of content 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:10.600 and then you're like, can you just get back? It 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.360 was getting mass views on TikTok, and it makes me 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.880 think that it was a strategy to choose somewhere that 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:17.560 was out of the norm. Like if they went to 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:19.080 the Maule Dives again, everyone would. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:19.840 Be like yawn. 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.480 But the fact that they've gone somewhere like Finland, which 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.720 you don't often hear about it looks so magical. But 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.480 surely they're not sitting around saying, oh my god, let's 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.400 pick our honeymoon location based. 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.639 On what will shop TikTok. These people are content creators. 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:35.160 I feel like, yes, it's not their whole reason for 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:37.320 doing so, but I think it would take up some 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.000 of their thinking. Matt literally referred to his wedding photography 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.200 and videography as content, Like, of course they're thinking what 0:03:44.280 --> 0:03:46.080 is going to create the best content, and they have 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:47.920 hit the nail on the head with this one. I 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.400 actually think they're winning people over a little bit with 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.240 their very cutesy, romantic content because there's been a lot 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.360 more positive comments about Matt in particularly see. I actually 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.120 kind of found it funny because it looked like they 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:00.360 were getting on each other's nerves because everyone says that 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.600 the honeymoon, Like, I'm actually not referencing my honeymoon here 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.920 because I did recently get back. But it's funny because 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.200 a lot of the time, honeymoons can be actually the 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.480 place where a lot of arguments happen, because you know, 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.600 all of the hype from the wedding has ended and 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:15.960 it's just the two of you now focusing on maybe 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.000 each other's little quirks. And there were instances where I 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:20.880 was wondering, I wonder if they're getting on each other's 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.239 nerves because Tammy didn't look too pleased about getting locked 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.039 out of the cabin due to me. People are just 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:28.320 surprised that the marriage has lasted to the honeymoon. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.200 Hi, Tim, and welcome to fag town. So what I'm 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.080 going to do here is put all the shit up 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:38.280 that I can't put up on fucking TikTok because I 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:39.680 hope are annoying. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.400 TikTok is divided after author Kate Forster pointed out that 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:48.120 local clothing brand Sabi is following Donald Trump in what's 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.680 been described as an internet blood bath. The latest controversy 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.560 has sparked death threats, mass reportings, and cancelation. Now, so 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.200 before we get into the drama, can you get listeners 0:04:58.279 --> 0:04:59.000 up to speed. 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:00.000 With who Kate Forster is. 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.720 She is an author who has really exploded in popularity 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.400 on TikTok this year. In the space of a few months, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.000 she gained ninety five thousand followers on TikTok. And what 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.960 really makes her stand out is that she's not afraid 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.440 to share her opinion, which I think all of us 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.919 have found really refreshing this year because she's so funny. 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:22.279 She doesn't take herself too seriously, and she doesn't play 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.920 into a lot of the games that we see influencers 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.599 or TikTokers playing into, like you know, those people who 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:29.880 just want to keep their little click happy and try 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.520 and say the right thing. I think That's why she 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.520 is so divisive and people are so threatened by her 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:39.160 at the moment because she doesn't just fit into this 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.960 influencer click that we've come to know, and she doesn't 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:45.760 care who she upsets. Well, yeah, you don't know what's 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:47.520 coming out of her mouth neck, but you know that 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.400 what she's saying she has conviction in and actually believes in. Now, 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.040 she's also known for sharing fashion reviews and also encouraging 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.360 her audience not to be sheep and to support local businesses. 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:01.279 So she's all about encouraging her followers to not just 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.520 buy the brands that fashion influencers are promoting and getting 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.400 kickbacks from. Yeah, and she gained a massive amount of 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:10.320 traction back in August when she called out the viral 0:06:10.400 --> 0:06:13.440 Henny cardigan. So we covered that story in death. But 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.440 at the time, the fifty three year old simply question 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.560 why young people all want to look the same and 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:21.920 are wearing this specific cult cardigan, which was created by 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.920 influencer Nadia Bartel's label Henny Now. This led to Kate 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:30.280 receiving prank calls and even death threats. It also resulted 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.279 in her developing an even stronger follower base. I know 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.560 I followed her after this drama. Yeah, a lot of 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.479 people did. Now let's get into this latest controversy. And 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.080 as we touched on, Kate often creates fashion reviews and 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:46.600 she received an influx of messages from followers asking her 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.720 to look into a local brand called Sabi. And this 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:53.080 brand is known for selling oversized T shirts with positive 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:56.000 affirmations across them, and it's owned by a husband and 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.640 wife team called Jace McDonald and Ashtadu who live in 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:02.880 Queen Now, some of Kate's followers had noticed that a 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.320 growing number of Mummy influencers had started wearing Sarb's shirts, 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:11.240 and all of those influences held very far right views. 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:14.800 Now it is unclear if those influences were gifted the 0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:18.040 shirts or if they were just organically wearing them, And 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.960 this led Kate to do some research into SARB and 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:24.160 she quickly discovered that one of the owners, Jace, was 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.760 following Donald Trump on his personal account. Now he was 0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:33.160 also following podcaster Joe Rogan, who heavily supported Trump's campaign. Now, 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.360 this led Kate to create a TikTok video connecting the dots, 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.520 saying it kind of seems like the brand's co owner 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:43.480 is a Trump supporter. She then referenced the problematic Mummy 0:07:43.480 --> 0:07:46.160 influencers who were wearing the brand and explained that a 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:50.200 lot of them share anti vax and also anti suncream views. Now, 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.480 she didn't blame Sarby for it, but she pointed out 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.360 that if Sarb's views don't align with these influences very 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.640 far right views, then they should touch with them and 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.760 say don't wear ushirt. I don't know if you can 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.520 tell someone not to wear your brand if they've purchased it. 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.800 I mean you can obviously say, look, if we've gifted 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.200 you something and you're going to be spouting our offensive things, 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.040 we prefer you not to wear our clothes. I mean 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.800 that is very dependent on what the relationship is between 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:16.680 the brand and the influencer. And I think that's why 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.920 Kate has used this as an example, because she must 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.600 know that this brand has gifted these influences these T shirts, 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.840 and she's trying to point out that clearly they all 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.120 have the same views and all their views aligned, and 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:29.440 that's why they're wearing. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:29.680 The T shirt. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.600 Well, yeah, and that's the thing, because if these influencers 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:37.200 have been organic customers and purchased them themselves. I don't 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.560 think that the brand necessarily has the right to tell 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:41.000 people that you're not allowed to wear, and it would 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:42.840 be very difficult for a brand to say, actually, don't 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.800 wear that, Like what control do they have over people 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.319 wearing their items of clothing? 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:46.680 Now? 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:50.160 As always on TikTok, the response was very mixed to 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:54.520 Kate's video, so there were some followers who immediately started 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.960 accusing Ash and Jason being Trump supporters and threatening to 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:03.319 boycott the brand. TikTok videos also started surfacing of Sarbi 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:07.000 customers clarifying that whilst they have worn the t shirts 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.600 in the past, they have left leaning views. They were 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:13.280 quite funny on the flip side, Kate started receiving an 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.400 influx of hate from some Sabi supporters and. 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:17.760 Also death threats. 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.040 I just think it's so wild that this woman has 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:26.080 received so many death threats for simply pointing out who 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.400 the brand is followed. But I think it's much greater 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.079 than that in terms of it's not just about fashion. 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.760 This is about politics and how fashion and politics intersect, 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:35.120 and that's. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:36.240 Why people are so upset. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:38.720 It is being alleged that one of the Sabi owners 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.280 posted a TikTok in response to Kate's video threatening her. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.560 Now those claims have come from Internet sleuths who say 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.800 that the video was quickly taken down, So I want 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.720 to reiterate that is just an allegation. There is no 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.960 proof of this video still being online. I had actually 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.400 never heard of the brand Sabi until this TikTok drama. 0:09:57.440 --> 0:09:59.440 But all I could think of was the Sabi and 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.440 Soul who were caught up in that Moroccan pillow drama 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:03.719 with Sarah's Dave Rember that a. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:04.400 Few years ago. 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:06.920 I was like, oh no, these poor bastards. Have they 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.880 been dragged into something again. But I can confirm this 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.720 is a completely separate business. This is the danger with 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.920 TikTok and how quickly things spread. And also when you 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:17.920 like I think I've heard of that brand, I actually 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.400 thought of Sabo skirt, which are not in any way 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:21.280 attached to this brand. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:21.840 Eiough Well. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.440 Sabi have addressed the controversy on their Instagram account, so 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.240 they wrote legends we just wanted to quickly address some 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.000 things that are currently going on. We really didn't want 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.720 to get involved and it goes against everything we stand 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:37.200 for here at Sabi. We would never condone bullying people 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.920 or brands online. So this is the one and only 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.280 statement we will be making. Our entire brand is built 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.200 upon building people up and helping them feel happy and 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:50.000 confident while wearing our brand. These comments and the video 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.520 that have been shared by people online are not a 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:56.600 true representation of myself and Jas. It's unfortunate that people 0:10:56.679 --> 0:10:59.600 can take things out of context and spread rumors and 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.160 missing information about us online. Our little brand means the 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.640 world to us and our customers mean the world to us, 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:07.880 and we know there are a lot of you all 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:10.040 standing up for us on these posts. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:11.559 We appreciate you, but. 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:14.320 Ultimately all we want is for everyone to interact in 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:17.280 a positive way that doesn't tear others down. We just 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.360 hope everyone can choose their words wisely as words have 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:22.679 power and our actions are online forever. 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.240 Big love, Jace and Ash. 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:24.559 Now. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.160 The reason why that statement has been included in full 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.000 is because the one thing that stood out to me 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.080 is that nowhere did they say we do not politically 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.720 align with Donald Trump, and one follower called them out 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:40.880 on the obvious admission, saying, maybe you should make it 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.840 clear if you actually support Trump and right wing views 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.800 or not now. Sabi responded, saying this, we didn't want 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.920 to talk about our political views because we aren't political. 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.400 Jace in no way supports his views and values. Back 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.800 when he first got into government, he was threatening to 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.920 put tariffs on clothing importations to protect the US ACA 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.720 Jays had a factory in China with huge US orders, 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.160 as if we wouldn't want to know everything and anything 0:12:06.200 --> 0:12:08.520 to do with it. Also, he is now sitting there 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.120 culling who he follows and who he doesn't years later. 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.920 It's absolutely insane that people jump to conclusions. Jace is 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.439 pro you and whoever you want to be, and all 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.640 about leaving a positive impact on the world. To me, 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.839 I think that they originally didn't touch on who they 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.880 support because they didn't want to offend any customers who 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:30.560 may support Donald Trump, because they would be ostracizing a 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.959 collection of their customers. Well, it's a pretty common thing 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.120 not to get political when it comes to business, because 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.640 we've seen a lot of companies having to backflip, Like recently, 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.880 there was a chain of pubs that came out and 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.520 said that they were would not be supporting Australia Day 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:46.280 and not be having any celebrations in their pubs literally 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.440 twenty four hours after they had to backflip because they 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:51.960 got so many complaints. So I understand why they didn't 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.400 initially put it in the statement. However, the way TikTok 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.240 works is that the audience were never going to be 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:02.360 happy with that statement. I actually disagree from a pr perspective. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.920 I think it was incredibly important for the owners of 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.760 the brand to refute these claims and say, just because 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.200 Jason's following Donald Trump, it doesn't mean that he supports 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.800 Donald Trump's policies. Because Donald Trump is obviously known for 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.840 not caring about women's rights, He's made homophobic, racist comments 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.080 if but no one's here saying that Donald Trump is 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:23.760 a good guy. Like It's obviously not a great brand 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.720 move to align, particularly from a female brand, to align 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:29.360 with Donald Trump. But the issue is that I think 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.439 a lot of people on TikTok and in the world, 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.319 and this is why everyone a lot of people were 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.880 shocked by the election result. Is they operate in silos 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.600 where people think, oh, Donald Trump is the devil. Of course, 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:41.960 no one would ever want to support him, but I mean, 0:13:42.000 --> 0:13:44.040 the guy got voted in. There are a lot of 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:46.439 people that support him and the business wouldn't have wanted 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.559 to come out and offend those people that did. Particularly, 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:52.319 it seems like they do a line. But does it 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.720 mean now that if you follow somebody on social media 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:58.800 that means you one hundred percent support them. Because Abby 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.199 Chatfield has also weighed into this debate, and we will 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.400 get into what she has said later, but I remember 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:05.080 Abby had to come out and say, oh my god, 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.000 I follow all of these people who I don't actually 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.920 support their views, but I followed them because I want 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.000 to be up to date on what's happening in the world. 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.560 I mean, for example, a lot of journalists would be 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.160 following Donald Trump. It doesn't mean that they support him 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:21.280 and believe in his views. It's to keep track of 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.720 what he's doing. Well, I went and looked at who 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.800 followed Donald Trump from Outspoken's name, and quite a number. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:27.880 Of high profile people did. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.360 Again, I think that that is something that they should 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:32.920 have touched on in the statement, because you know their 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.960 point of view. Saying, oh, Jase's following him because of 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.120 the tariffs that he's putting on clothing. That seem like 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.120 a pretty fair enough statement. But that's something that should 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.600 have been mentioned in the initial statement, not as a 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.920 response to someone's question. They just thought, from a pr perspective, 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:49.160 it's best not to actually touch on this controversial part. 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.880 I'm always really fascinated to hear what actually goes on 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.720 behind the scenes when someone finds themselves in the middle 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.920 of an Internet controversy like this. And Ash and Jace 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:00.560 were interviewed by news dot com and they said that 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.360 they were shocked when they first learned of the backlash. 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.560 So they were sitting at their desk and they got 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.440 a call from a Stockers who was like, people are 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.240 debating onliner. You guys right wing or left wing? And 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.520 the Stockers then said, apparently you guys followed Donald Trump. 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.960 And they said they were so confused because Sabi itself 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.280 doesn't follow Donald Trump, and Ash's account didn't follow Donald Trump. 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.000 And then of course they worked out that Jase has 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.360 been following him and had been following him. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:26.480 For over a decade. 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:26.840 Now. 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.320 Ash got really overwhelmed because it got to the point 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.520 where people were trawling through their personal Facebook accounts and 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.920 looking for clues about their political alignment. And she said 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.840 she felt sick all weekend and couldn't eat. Now, this 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.600 just really demonstrates the toll that it took on her, 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.560 and Jay said he found the backlash ridiculous and couldn't 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:47.680 believe there was discussion around who or who didn't buy 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.320 and wear the t shirts. He said, it's hard you're 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:53.480 always offending somebody. Why do people need to know our 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.120 political beliefs to buy our clothes? He continued, saying if 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:59.200 he believed in Donald Trump, he'd come out and say 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.560 sober in gen he said, I don't care if you 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.080 do or not. Now, I do want to point out 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.200 that the article did state that the couple do not 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.960 support Trump, but there wasn't a direct quote from Jay 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.680 saying it. And this controversy has gone viral on TikTok, 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.720 with creators weighing in on the drama and picking if 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.760 their team Kate or Team Sarby. It's even led to 0:16:18.840 --> 0:16:22.720 high profile names in the media and influencer landscape also 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.480 weighing in. Yeah, so she's on the money. Podcast host 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.400 Victoria Devine shared her views on the controversy, and she 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.320 appeared to be shocked that some corners of the internet 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.040 were siding with Kate Forster. 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:35.480 Here's what she said. 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:40.760 I'm so done with people coming in to defend someone 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:45.160 who has made their entire brand snarking other women, like 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.600 why are you coming in and being like, oh, well, 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:51.240 she never said that exactly, or no, she never knew 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.840 who that person was to begin with, or she never 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.360 meant it that way. Didn't you watch her entire five 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:00.480 to ten minute rant, like I'm sorry. That content made 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:04.399 with the intention of bringing other women down. It was 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:07.080 made with the intention of making them feel bad about 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.320 what they're wearing or what they're doing, or how that 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:12.800 they are doing it, and calling them sheep or calling them, 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.160 you know, copy pastes of other. 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.240 People, like it's actually just ick. 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:20.720 That content wasn't made with the intention of lifting women 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.399 up and making them feel good about themselves or helping 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:26.720 them be in a better position. It was literally made 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:30.560 with the intention of making you snarky against other women. 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:32.879 And now you're defending the person who said that. 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.240 Victoria continued saying she's not naming names because she can't 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.439 be bothered. But if followers were going to draw the 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:43.119 inference about what she's talking about, then the shoe probably fits. 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:43.360 Now. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.680 This isn't the first time Victoria has commented on online 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:51.800 controversies surrounding Kate Forster. So during the viral Henny Cardigan's saga, 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:55.080 Victoria showed her support for a fashion TikToker who came 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.240 up against Kate, writing under the post, it's not even 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.600 being passive aggressive, she's being a bully. I can't believe 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.360 in twenty twenty four so many people are supportive of 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.760 her content. I think there has been a bit of 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:09.320 back and forth between the two and they both won't 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:12.919 name one another when talking about one another. Victoria had 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:15.480 a pretty mixed response in her comment section. There were 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:19.600 some people who supported her sentiment, whilst others strongly disagreed. 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:21.800 So one user wrote, I don't agree with this. I 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:24.120 don't think Kate was ever trying to tear women down 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:26.720 at all. She is a critical thinker on TikTok and 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.440 I actually quite like her approach to talking about fashion. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.200 I watched her video. It wasn't that deep. She never 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:35.679 tore down an individual person, just had an interesting perspective 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.880 on a brand. I think the backlash of the comments 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.400 is what's gotten out of hand. Whilst another commented the 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.479 irony of a woman ragging on another woman for ragging 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.960