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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the

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Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, Chloe Zepp's

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Speaker 1: tradwife rebrand, Tammy Hembro's masterclass in diversion, and Matt Szakowski's

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Speaker 1: high profile date.

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Speaker 2: But first, it's official, Amy and Sophie, your maternity leave

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Speaker 2: is now over, so we're all back for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: It's very exciting to have everyone back on the microphones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I almost felt like this day was never going

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Speaker 1: to come. It's so exciting to we'll be back together.

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Speaker 1: It feels like almost COVID times though, because we are

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Speaker 1: recording remotely today. Yeah. And I'm particularly excited to be

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Speaker 1: recording with Sophie because I don't think we've been properly

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Speaker 1: recording together since what was been like eight months or

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Speaker 1: something ridiculous. I am kind of glad it is remotely

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Speaker 1: because I'm redoing my whole office. I'm trying to convince

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Speaker 1: you guys to all come around and recording here. I've

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Speaker 1: bought a couch, I've bought new cupboards and everything. But

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Speaker 1: I've discovered that there is some avocado dips still on

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Speaker 1: the ceiling. Kate. I think that was from one rage

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Speaker 1: Field recording when I think Sophie and I were both pregnant.

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Speaker 1: Emotions will hire that deal. It's somehow your avocado dip

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Speaker 1: ended up on the ceiling on the wall in saying that,

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Speaker 1: I can actually understand that rage Field incident now, because

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Speaker 1: I mean, Kate had a baby at the time, and

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Speaker 1: the two of us Amy, we weren't being any fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe I should reflect on all the apology text

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Speaker 2: messages I've received over the last eight to nine months

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Speaker 2: from you guys when you're like, oh, we get it.

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Speaker 2: And also I was having to deal with two angry

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Speaker 2: pregnant women at the same time. No wonder I threw

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Speaker 2: dip everywhere.

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Speaker 1: And to be fair, I don't think you're the only

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Speaker 1: person who's thrown something during a recording. Yeah, how about

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Speaker 1: how I was How about Sophie shared over the holidays

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Speaker 1: this cliff. I think it was from two years ago,

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Speaker 1: and I think you were pregnant in it, Kate, and

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Speaker 1: you just lost it at everybody because I think Sophie

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Speaker 1: couldn't spit out her sentence and I was thinking I

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Speaker 1: can't believe we put this on the internet. But then

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Speaker 1: I was reading all the comments and everyone was saying, well,

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Speaker 1: this is just what having a sister is like. Well,

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Speaker 1: in saying that this year one of our I don't

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Speaker 1: know if i'd say news resolutions, but something we want

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Speaker 1: to do is we want to start filming out episodes again.

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Speaker 1: Because you're going to say, get along with that, we're

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Speaker 1: going into compe. I hope is and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: say this on the mic so it actually happens. But

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Speaker 1: I hope is that we start putting up full episodes

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Speaker 1: on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: So we've got to compete with the big boys. Now

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Speaker 2: we do seems to be doing it.

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Speaker 1: We do. Now that's why I'm trying to convince you

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Speaker 1: guys to record at my house. I've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of video gear just lying around ready to record.

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Speaker 2: Off the back of that chat, I feel like it's

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Speaker 2: important for us to point out to our new listeners

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Speaker 2: because we did pick up a lot of new listeners

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five. Thank you so much for those

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Speaker 2: people who have joined us that we are actually triplets.

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Speaker 2: Because there's a bit of confusion. People are like hanging

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Speaker 2: on there's only two of you, and then sometimes you

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Speaker 2: swap and you sound the same and you've got the

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Speaker 2: same last name. We are triplets.

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Speaker 1: I remember an early listener saying that they like to

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Speaker 1: imagine that it's just one person who's having all these

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Speaker 1: internal thoughts. But yes, we are triplets. I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: think of the best way to differentiate myself, but I

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Speaker 1: think it's more fun for one of you guys to

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Speaker 2: So if we're using the Spice gals analogy, so for

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Speaker 2: you would definitely be baby Spice. You are the youngest triplet.

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Speaker 2: You're also blonde, and you really play on being the

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Speaker 2: baby of the family. I mean, just last week I

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Speaker 2: had to tell you what insurance to get for your

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Speaker 2: family cover because you just couldn't work it out for

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Speaker 2: the last eight years asking me this too, looll I

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Speaker 2: just sent her exactly what I got.

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Speaker 1: Those things are a struggle. Those things are a struggles.

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Speaker 1: And if you're at a.

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Speaker 2: Restaurant with Sophie, she would just copy your order every

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Speaker 2: single time. Amy, you would be sporty Spice. You've always

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Speaker 2: been the I suppose more athletic one out of all

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Speaker 2: very quirky, So you would be like Phoebe from Friends,

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Speaker 2: and Sophie would be Rachel Green. I'd say I'm Monica.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because your bossy is fuck, You're very bossy. You're

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Speaker 1: first born. You have really gone into that role of

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Speaker 1: being the eldest sibling. Even though there's only a couple

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Speaker 1: of minutes between us. You always think you're right as well,

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Speaker 1: which I think a lot of people will pick up

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Speaker 1: on in this episode. And the annoying thing is a

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Speaker 1: lot of the time you are I think. Aside from

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Speaker 1: being triplets, what makes this podcast different is the fact

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Speaker 1: that we are also all journalists. So Sophie and I

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Speaker 1: used to work at seven News, Kate used to work

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Speaker 1: in the sports media space.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite funny because when we started out, we

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Speaker 2: were told that we would never work together, and you

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Speaker 2: and Sophie really proved everyone wrong working together at seven.

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Speaker 2: We now of course have this podcast together, and it's

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Speaker 2: actually a dream come true to work together. I think,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we joke about all the arguments we have,

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Speaker 2: but I feel pretty blessed. This podcast is in its

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Speaker 2: seventh year now we've clocked up eighteen million downloads, so

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Speaker 2: thank you for the people that have been there from

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Speaker 2: the start, listening the ogs last kaith as.

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Speaker 1: You said, Chloe Zepp's transformation from fitness influencer to traadwife

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Speaker 1: is official. On New Year's Eve, the og influencer launched

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Speaker 1: a controversial substack where she urged women to return to homemaking. Okay.

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Speaker 1: This latest revelation comes almost a year after Chloe shut

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Speaker 1: down her business. Zepp. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It was just last April that Chloe shocked her followers

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Speaker 2: when she announced that she was shutting down her successful

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Speaker 2: what led to the decision. It wasn't until August that

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Speaker 2: Chloe opened up more about the reason behind the closure.

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Speaker 2: So at the time she said that she just she

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Speaker 2: didn't have the capacity to run the business at the

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Speaker 2: same time as looking after her two young sons, and

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Speaker 2: she admitted that she had cried for a month after

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Speaker 2: it back, but conceded it was unrealistic at the time.

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Speaker 2: It turns out that investors were interested in the active

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Speaker 1: It doesn't surprise me that investors were interested. I know

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Speaker 1: she had that brief period in twenty twenty where she

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Speaker 1: but I think that her consumers actually loved her active

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Speaker 1: Chloe actually went into more detail about why she closed

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Speaker 1: So she said the decision actually came from God, who

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Speaker 1: wanted her to return to work in the home rather

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Speaker 1: than for her business. In a lengthy post on the

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Speaker 1: blogging platform, she wrote, first, get your home in order

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Speaker 1: before anything else, because everything else flows from it. When

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Speaker 1: I felt God pushing me from being a business owner

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Speaker 1: When I had my first son, I had cleaners. I

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Speaker 1: and when this shift happened, being called back into the home,

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Speaker 1: but no peace, no groundedness. I felt disordered. Thank you

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Speaker 1: Jesus for pulling me back to the home. It was

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Speaker 1: from reading the Bible that I got this revelation, which

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Speaker 1: is why obedience is important. Everyone else thought I was

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Speaker 2: I mean, didn't she think she was silly? She's said

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Speaker 1: I can see why she only has seven subscribers on

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously this has all come about because Chloe

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Speaker 2: But this is the first time I've seen Chloe really

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's because she has become irrelevant. Unfortunately. I

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Speaker 1: So of course that's what is going to happen. People

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Speaker 1: her life with God. No, now, I wouldn't say that

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Speaker 2: I think maybe she's more comfortable posting these type of

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Speaker 1: She's clearly seen the success of influences like Nara Smith

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Speaker 1: Well. As we touched on last year, there was some

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Speaker 1: Do we also think that maybe since their popularity drop

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Speaker 2: she's not doing it for free. To subscribe to Chloe's

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Speaker 1: Again, I do question who is paying for this in

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Speaker 2: When I was looking through the free posts that were

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Speaker 1: This does all feel very twenty eleven, and I think

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Speaker 2: I think this is going to be a bit of

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Speaker 1: Tammy Hembro has given a masterclass in diversion over the

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Speaker 1: festive period. Despite dropping a bomb that her active where

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Speaker 1: brand was shutting down, all anyone could talk about was

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Speaker 1: her love life, Kay, can you tell us more? Well?

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Speaker 2: Tammy has definitely been working in overdrive to divert attention

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Speaker 2: away from the short closure of Saski. Let's start at

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Speaker 2: the beginning. So, just as rumors began to emerge that

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Speaker 2: Tammy didn't provide an explanation as to why the business

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Speaker 1: I remember I kept seeing persistent rumors on Influencer Updates

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Speaker 2: I mean it was clear when you watch the video

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Speaker 2: Saski website was shut down and password protected as of

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Speaker 2: Tammy's announcement going out. The Instagram account had also been

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not surprised. I don't think I have

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Speaker 2: I always wondered who was buying it as well.

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Speaker 1: I saw a couple of people writing in when Influencer

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Speaker 1: Updates was posting about this potential closure, saying, Hey, I'm

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Speaker 1: have a large American audience. Are there people rocking Saski

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Speaker 2: Even though I've never seen anyone wearing it. I didn't

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Speaker 2: have been really successful. Internationally. They always seem to be

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Speaker 2: doing new drops, new marketing campaigns. And what made things

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Speaker 2: even more confusing is the fact that Tammy had been

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Speaker 2: working with Shopify in November talking about how the e

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Speaker 2: So she mentioned that she uses Shopify for Saski and

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Speaker 2: that they had just launched their new expresso collection on

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Speaker 1: How awkward. Similar to zep, it's interesting in this case

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Speaker 1: that Tammy didn't sell Saski to an investor, Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 2: So points to something a bit more going on behind

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Speaker 2: in the image, the document read notice of Lisa Termination

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Speaker 2: Lise and taking possession of premises. The notice was addressed

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Speaker 2: to Saski Collection PtyLtd. And Tammy. Natasha Hembroke the Garran

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Speaker 2: Tor and alleged the business owed twenty seven thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: Now, the Sydney Morning Herald picked up on the scoop

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Speaker 1: it was Tammy's manager, Sean Anderson who responded on her

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Speaker 1: behalf denying the allegations. Now for contexts, he is the bald,

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Speaker 2: The timing of this is all very interesting. While Tammy

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Speaker 1: Which has created even more confusion because Tammy has been

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Speaker 2: Well. The thing is, though, when it comes to those

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Speaker 1: That type of stuff.

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Speaker 2: So it's not like Tammy actually has fifty eight million

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Speaker 2: And it's likely that SASKI was operating with a pretty

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Speaker 2: and ultimately it just wasn't making enough sales. It is

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Speaker 2: I think the way the business has been set up

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Speaker 1: It's interesting to take a look at the other businesses

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty interested to see if her new business pops up.

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Speaker 2: It seems like that's what she was teasing in the

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Speaker 1: It's very clear that Tammy wants to move on from

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Speaker 1: I mean, who's really going there now that the business

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Speaker 2: And what made it even more apparent that she was

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Speaker 1: There were a lot of people guessing that this was

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Speaker 1: owner of the bicep, which was of course, Bailey Smith.

437
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 1: She then went on to say that now they're just mates,

438
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,480
Speaker 1: they're going to be each other's Tinder coaches. Tammy even

439
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 1: collaborated on the post with Tinder, so I would love

440
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: to know how much she charged for this.

441
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,400
Speaker 2: Well, the video got over two point eight million views,

442
00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 2: so it was a massive win for Tinder. Bailey also

443
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,119
Speaker 2: did a similar video where it was more of his perspective.

444
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 2: That video got one point four million views. I felt

445
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: like there was a lot of chemistry between the pair

446
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 2: in the car videos, but that didn't translate over to

447
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 2: the studio, so they filmed a bunch of videos in

448
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,679
Speaker 2: this studio. It was like a makeshift gym, and it

449
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: was so bad. The acting, I'm sorry Tammy and Bailey

450
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 2: was so cringe, and there was also a lot of

451
00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 2: commentary about how bad the lighting was. A lot of

452
00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 2: people were saying, is that Tammy hembro It does not

453
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 2: look like her or how she presents herself on her

454
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 2: own social media channels.

455
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 1: They did it both dirty with the lighting, and I

456
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 1: don't think it was reflective of what each of them

457
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 1: actually looks like. I don't understand why some photoshoot locations

458
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 1: have such appalling lighting.

459
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly where people are wanting to look good in

460
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 2: that moment. The lighting kind of reminded me of when

461
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: you go to Rebel Sport to try on clothes and

462
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 2: the lighting is just so appalling that you just don't

463
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,280
Speaker 2: want to buy anything.

464
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 1: Down Lights, it's the downlights. Never put down lights in

465
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 1: a change room instantly, you don't want to buy the clothes.

466
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 2: I think they were going for a bit of a

467
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 2: retro vibe. Both of them were really done up with

468
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,520
Speaker 2: a lot of heavy makeup, but the actual effect came

469
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 2: out looking quite cheap, and the feedback was incredibly harsh Online.

470
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 2: Someone wrote cringe. Another person said this is horrific. Someone

471
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 2: said this is the worst thing I've ever WoT.

472
00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: Remind me of those infomercials from back in the nineties

473
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 1: that sort of cheesy, like it was supposed to be cheesy,

474
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 1: but they weren't actually thinking that this is great acting.

475
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 2: I mean, they were obviously trying to make light of

476
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 2: the situation and take the piss out of themselves, but

477
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: I think the acting let them down in that regard.

478
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 2: I was surprised Tinda didn't moderate the comments because they

479
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,159
Speaker 2: were so harsh, but I think that was probably a

480
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,880
Speaker 2: part of Tinder's strategy to drive that engagement. They knew

481
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 2: that people were gonna make negative comments, and that's why

482
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 2: they haven't deleted them. It was pretty funny because influencer

483
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 2: Simone Anderson weighed in, writing fab ad and someone replied saying,

484
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: don't lie to which Simone replied that paycheck is definitely

485
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 2: no joke. I love when slmon can make an absurd

486
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 2: amount of money and still laugh at themselves along the way.

487
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 2: I would love to know how much they got paid.

488
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 1: It would be very interesting if anyone works for Tinder

489
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: and knows, Please lide into our DMS and let us know.

490
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 2: It would have to be in the six figures in

491
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 2: order to make that worthwhile for them, surely because it

492
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: was just embarrassing.

493
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 1: Well. The diversions from Tammy continued because two days after

494
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: teasing Bailey Smith on her Instagram Stories, she then posted

495
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: photos with her ex fiance Reese Hawkins on Snapchat. She

496
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: seems to just roll Reese out whenever she needs to

497
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: have a bit of a distraction, and he is, of

498
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: course fresh from his breakup with fitness influencer Live Kelly. Now.

499
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: In the video, Reese was sipping on wine and he

500
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: was sitting on Tammy's patio at nighttime. He looked sheepish

501
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: when he noticed that Tammy was filming him, and he

502
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 1: covered his face as Tammy laughed and said hi everyone

503
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: and waved his hand. Now. Tammy captioned the post Mum

504
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: and Dad, I.

505
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: Love how dedicated people are, because there were some super

506
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: sleuths that noticed that Reese was drinking from Matt Zakowski's

507
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: monogrammed wine glass because I had a little m Z

508
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: on it.

509
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: Why do I feel like this is some sort of

510
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 1: easter egg that Tammy Hembro has planted. I don't think

511
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: that this happened by chance. I think that this was

512
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: very strategic in nature.

513
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole thing has been strategic. She has

514
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: given a masterclass in distraction and it has proven why

515
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 2: she continues to say so influential despite a lot of

516
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: the controversies that surround her.

517
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: I mean to show how popular this clip was, we

518
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: actually re shared the vision on our Instagram account and

519
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 1: we got over seven hundred thousand views on Tammy even

520
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: commented on the video, writing, it's really not that deep, guys,

521
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: with a laughing face. We have two kids together and

522
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: we are friends. That is always her response. It's always like,

523
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 1: it's not that deep. Everyone stop being obsessed with me

524
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: when it's like, you know exactly what you were doing. Well.

525
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: It's interesting because this week the Gold Coast Bulletin and

526
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph have run with headlines of a Tammy and

527
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 2: Reesede reunion. So the publication reference whispers from sources close

528
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: to Tammy. So apparently they've rekindled their romance, and Reese

529
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: has been spotted spending a considerable amount of time at

530
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: Tammy's house and staying overnight.

531
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: Do we actually believe that they have rekindled their romance

532
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 1: or do we think that they're just co parenting and

533
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: they're doing this for retention.

534
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 2: Well, it is school holidays, so Reese's likely spending some

535
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: time with his children, but it is a bit unusual

536
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 2: that he's staying overnight there. I mean, I don't think

537
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: that's happened in the past.

538
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: Seven months on from his divorce Tammy Hembrose ex Matt

539
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: Zakowski says he's ready to open up about his dating

540
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: life again on his podcast. The former Love Islander already

541
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: seems to be making quite the impression, admitting to his

542
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: co host Anna macavoy that one of his first dates

543
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 1: has already gone viral on TikTok. Let's take a listen.

544
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: A couple of movie dates. Yeah, and I'm excited to

545
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,719
Speaker 1: hear about them in the future episodes.

546
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: A couple of dates.

547
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: People making tiktoks about dates topeen.

548
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: On with them going on.

549
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: Matt did send me a TikTok of a girl and

550
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: she made a TikTok about their first day, and I

551
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: was like, wow, it's happening. I was quite I'm excited

552
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: to watch this on follow it went viral on no

553
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: one knows it's me. That is so funny.

554
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm very disappointed because this has yet to pop up

555
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 2: on my for you page, and I am desperate to

556
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 2: watch it and find out what Matt did wrong on

557
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: this first date.

558
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: I have gone searching for this on TikTok and I've

559
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: typed in like viral first date, like embarrassing first date.

560
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: It sounds like this was a movie date, so I

561
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: tried the term movie date, but I cannot come across it.

562
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: If any anyone has seen this video or is suspicious

563
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: and they think perhaps this is about Matt Sakowski, please

564
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: send it our way dm us. I reckon it could

565
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: have something to do with him being cheap, because remember

566
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 1: there was that Yochi date that went viral. Those are

567
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: the type of videos that tend to go in people's algorithms.

568
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because when I heard him first talking

569
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: about it, I was like, oh my gosh, has someone

570
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: else gone name dropping that they've gone on a first

571
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: date with Matt. Remember that Adelaide girl sent everyone into

572
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: a flurry over it, But no, it has been referenced anonymously,

573
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: which I think he was quite grateful for.

574
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 1: I think this year of their podcast is going to

575
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: be interesting, though, because Anna promised listeners that she will

576
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: be getting Matt to dig deep into his dating life,

577
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: and he said that he already has some quite funny

578
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: stories to share and it sounds like he has quite

579
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: a few different girls on the go. He did chat

580
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: about a first date that he went on with someone

581
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: else who has a public profile, so ahead of this

582
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: date with the mystery woman, he said that he called

583
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: up a wine bar to ask if they could put

584
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: him at a day screet table in the corner. But

585
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 1: didn't you feel like the biggest wyanka doing that because

586
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: often it is older people that own these wine bars

587
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: and they probably have no idea who Matzukowski is. Well.

588
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: He said that the person on the phone seemed quite

589
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 1: confused and was like, sorry, what, I'm very very famous

590
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: and I need to be sat far away from everybody.

591
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: Maybe he was fishing for some free bees as well.

592
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm very important. I need to be sat away from people,

593
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 2: but I can have a lot of free wine. Have

594
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: you seen those cringe Tinder ads?

595
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: Well, that's my ex wife and so I need to

596
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: be sat somewhere away because people are gonna take photos

597
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 1: of me. It was quite funny because Anna was like, oh,

598
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: did your date get it? And He's like, yes, she

599
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: understands because she's in the same boat as me. She

600
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: is also in the public eye. Surely that confirms that

601
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: he's on riot. I mean, he's obviously not on Tinder.

602
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: Doesn't want to see Tammy on there?

603
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: Would I heard that they were both in the public eye.

604
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 2: I more thought they probably tipped off the paparazzi, like

605
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: they're desperate to be seen together to make a headline.

606
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 2: I was guessing it's some kind of e grade bachelor contestant.

607
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: I went to look at who he's following, because he's

608
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: only following around three hundred people, and I look for

609
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: little blue ticks, and there are quite a few of

610
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: them that popped up. But most of the time people

611
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: with blue ticks are people who are nobody's who've just

612
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: paid for them. Side note. But anyway, I was looking

613
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: and there are a couple of models with the blue ticks.

614
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: I couldn't see anyone that stood out, So maybe they

615
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 1: are actually trying to be discreet about this relationship and

616
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: aren't following each other. Well, how about just meeting up

617
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: at someone's house then not going to a wine bar

618
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: out in public. It seems like he has been quite

619
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: scarred by his recent experience. Kate with that adelaide Normy

620
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: that you were referring to before, Emily Lawson, because back

621
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 1: in October she hard launched her relationship with Matt and

622
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: everyone was like, what the hell? This is pretty quick

623
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: since he broke up with Tammy. But it was quite

624
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: clear that she was just doing it for clout because

625
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: he later went on to Samy's podcast, Oh that was

626
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: just a first date. I wasn't even aware that she

627
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: was posting any of this. What do you think is

628
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 1: more embarrassing that Emily Lawson posting a photo of Matt

629
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: or the person who has divulged all of the secrets

630
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: from his first date but not named him, Like, which

631
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: would you be more embarrassed about? Oh? I'm like the

632
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: tactic of the girl on TikTok because she hasn't actually

633
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 1: named him for clout. It just seems like she's had

634
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: such a bizarre experience with him that she's like what

635
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: the fuck and wants to retell it.

636
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: I love that it's gone viral without her even having

637
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: to mention his name. Do we actually think he's going

638
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: to be divulging any interesting details about his dating life

639
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: moving forward? Because I feel like he and Anna talked

640
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: this big game that the podcast is going to be different,

641
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: but then it's just not like I think they almost

642
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: need someone to come in and interview them to get

643
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: the interesting information out of them. Okay, I feel like

644
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 2: you're their number one family, you know on Facebook, how

645
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 2: it's you get awarded, you are this page's top contributor.

646
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: I feel like you would be that person for their podcast,

647
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: because they weren't in my Spotify wrap.

648
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, what would you like to hear from Matt Well?

649
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: I just thought they came in all guns blazing, saying

650
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: we've got so many personal details to share, but it

651
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: sounded like they both had a pretty quiet Christmas period

652
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: and we're kind of scraping the barrel. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I found it interesting that that had been on

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Speaker 2: a first date with a public figure, but tell us

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Speaker 2: more about that.

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Speaker 1: One thing. They do need to refilm some of those

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Speaker 1: ads that they put up. Not so much Anna, but

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Speaker 1: Matt's acting on there is terrible.

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Speaker 2: They're so bad. I actually think we need to certain

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Speaker 2: some of the audio because I'm like, how did this

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Speaker 2: get approved? I mean, to break the fourth wall down.

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Speaker 2: You get the ad, you record it, and then you

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Speaker 2: send it back for approval. I don't understand how any

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Speaker 2: brands would approve it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we can't get on our high horse too much.

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Speaker 1: I remember there was an ad for was it Simone

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Speaker 1: Anderson's podcast? Somehow was running on repeat and everyone was

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Speaker 1: so over it. We got so many negative collus.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't Simone Anderson. It was Art smort Art.

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Speaker 1: Simon, who's Simon is a New Zealand influence checking here.

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Speaker 1: So what are you talking about? You did some fine

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Speaker 1: acting in our recent Wilson campaign when you got hit

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Speaker 1: in the boot with the tennis ball. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: take some tips, Mats. Well, I think that is all

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Speaker 1: we have time for today. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us for today's EPISS. If you have enjoyed it,

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