1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie wolf On Mixed one oh four 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: point nine thanks to Joyce Main Darwin. Joining us live 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: in the studio is the CEO of the Northern Land Council, 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Marion Scrimjaw. 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning Katie. 6 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 3: Now Marion, some good news. 7 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: It looks as though, following on from the consultations with 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: traditional owners of sea country in the Mini Mini and 9 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: the East Alligator River regions, a decision has been made 10 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: for wreckfishes and also for those tour operators. 11 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 4: It certainly has and can I say these the meetings 12 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 4: that we had last week had been planned for some time, 13 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 4: so it was good for me to join those meetings 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 4: and to make sure given that the importance of getting 15 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 4: a decision. 16 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: It was important for me to be involved in that. 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 4: And look, traditional owners were really clear that they don't 18 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 4: have a problem with access, but there are some long 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 4: term access agreements and issues that we need to put 20 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 4: on the table and make sure happens. 21 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: And so it does mean that there is essentially now 22 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: access for hundreds of kilometers of some of those prime 23 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: fishing grounds in those areas they were previously closed or 24 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: subject to further consultation. So no doubt wreck fishes, and 25 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: also those tour operators will be pleased that there is 26 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: that certainty. 27 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I think that for a lot of people. 28 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 4: We're heading towards the easter break people, there'll be a 29 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 4: lot of traffic going out there. Traditional owners have always 30 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 4: just said, we just need people to register and do 31 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 4: the right thing, and I think most fishermen will do that. 32 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: I think they'll do the right thing. 33 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 4: They now have access to a fantastic lot of waterway 34 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 4: down to those traditional owners who have been open to 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 4: allowing that access to happen and Marion. 36 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: This obviously means that there's going to be permit free 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: access until the end of twenty twenty two. 38 00:01:58,680 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: What happens after that. 39 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 4: One of the discussions that we've had with a lot 40 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 4: of the traditional owners, Katie, not just in the Mini 41 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 4: Mini or East Alligator, but we're saying across the board, 42 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 4: we need to start having the discussions now about long 43 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: term access agreements and what does this mean for traditional 44 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 4: owners but also fishermen, so that we get that out 45 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 4: of the way well before the end of twenty twenty two, 46 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 4: so that you know, announcements can be made and everyone 47 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 4: can have this access and certainty but traditional owners want 48 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 4: that certainty just as much as fishermen. So we'll start 49 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 4: the conversation immediately about long term axis agreements and how 50 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 4: this might you know, what this will mean going forward 51 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 4: beyond December twenty twenty two. 52 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: And there has been some criticism of the Northern Territory 53 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: Government that maybe they haven't done enough consultation with traditional owners. 54 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 3: From your perspective, have they? 55 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: I think there's two two aspects to this, Katie. I 56 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 4: think the consultation that we're doing is part of our 57 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 4: statutory role, so it's really important that that's not blurred 58 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 4: with anti government or anyone else talking to traditional owners. 59 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 2: So I think, look, I'm not sure. 60 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 4: What discussions the Northern Territory Government should have with traditional owners, 61 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 4: but I know that the Fisheries Department over many years 62 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 4: has had discussions with traditional owners in terms of fishing 63 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 4: access and different options with coastal licenses and programs like that. 64 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 4: But this is specific to the Northern Land Cancil's statutory role. 65 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 4: So it was important that we carry out this work. 66 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: And have the government been working closely enough with the 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: NLC as well. 68 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 4: Married We've had a number of discussions with the Northern 69 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 4: Territory Government, Katie, and we'll continue to have those discussions. 70 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 4: We've now got a lot of work to do with 71 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 4: all of the industry stakeholders, including the Northern Territory Government, 72 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 4: on the legislative reform that I think we need to 73 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 4: put in place within the next twelve months. 74 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: Now, how's that registration process been going since it was 75 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 1: implemented a couple. 76 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 2: Of weeks ago, Well, fantastic. 77 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 4: I've you know, like the response that you get from 78 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 4: people is that they've gone online, they've registered, it's been seamless, 79 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 4: it's been painless, and people have got their response back. 80 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 4: So look, and that's the aim is that this shouldn't 81 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:42,119 Speaker 4: be an onerous process. It is simple, and it gives 82 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 4: people free access or permit free. 83 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: Access, I should say, up to twenty twenty two. 84 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 4: So I encourage everyone that wants to go into these 85 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 4: title waters get online, register, it doesn't cost anything. 86 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 2: And you'll get your you know, your paperback. 87 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: Because it's really not the intention of our traditional owners 88 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: to stop people from fishing or to stop them from 89 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: having access, is it. 90 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 4: No, Look, they want they just want us say in 91 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 4: the process going forward, and they've made it clear to 92 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 4: the lane Council as well, Katie, that they've been sick 93 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 4: of the talking about this issue for a long time, 94 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 4: so they've. 95 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: Put it back on the Lane Council. 96 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 4: They they haven't been cranky with fishermen, they haven't been 97 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: cranking with the Northern Territory Government, but they have said 98 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 4: very clearly to the Northern Land Council, you're our representative 99 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 4: and you need There's some work that we want you 100 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 4: to do and you need to do it. 101 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: Marrying on to another topic, we learned late last week 102 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: that you have been endorsed by the Labor Party as 103 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: the candidate for Lingiari. 104 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 3: How are you feeling about that? 105 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 4: Oh? 106 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: A bit nervous, Katie. Look it's one of that. Look. 107 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 4: I'm extremely humbled by the support of the rank and 108 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 4: file of the Australian Labor Party. You know, I was 109 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 4: up against three very good candidates as well, so quite 110 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 4: humbled that I'd received the tick and the support from 111 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 4: rank and file party members. 112 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 2: A lot of work to be done. 113 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 4: I've still got my work with the Northern Land Council, 114 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 4: so I need to separate, you know, the work that 115 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 4: I do with the Land Council and Lingiari and make 116 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 4: sure that I do the right thing by my full 117 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 4: counsel of the Northern Land Council, that I'm not allowing 118 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 4: the politics of Laniari to come into the work of 119 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 4: the Land Council. So there's a lot of separation happening 120 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 4: at the moment, Katie. Once I start campaigning, I'll be 121 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 4: taking the required lead that I should be doing and 122 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 4: not do that on Northern Land. 123 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: Cancel time and. 124 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 3: Do you reckon that's doable? 125 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: You know in terms of separating those two things at 126 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: this point in time. 127 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 4: Oh look, I know that a lot of people will 128 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 4: think that with the Blue Munt Bay that there's a 129 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 4: bit of politics caught up with that. Can I just 130 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,039 Speaker 4: say that the consultations with Blue Mud Bay and the 131 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 4: Mini Many and East Alligator were planned way before the 132 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 4: announcement on Lingiari, so there was nothing in that. I 133 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 4: was actually out bush with the consultations when the announcement 134 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 4: was made, so there was no you know that wasn't 135 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: that had nothing to do with ling Yarra And I've 136 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 4: been at pains. Let me tell you, Katie, to separate 137 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 4: my role as the CEO of Northern Lane Council and 138 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: my role as the candidate for the seat of Lingiari. 139 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 140 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: Oh well, it's going to be interesting times. We're all 141 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: wondering exactly when that federal election is going to get called. 142 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: Oh look, I don't think it'll well, let's see. 143 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 4: I think it's probably going to be next year, but 144 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 4: it could be the end of this year. 145 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: Who knows. 146 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 3: Well, wait and see. Well. Maryon Scrimjaw, always good to 147 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 3: catch up with you. I really appreciate your time. 148 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 2: This morning, Norries, thank you, Katie. 149 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 3: Thank you. 150 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: That is Marion Scrimjaw there, who is the CEO 151 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 3: Of the Northern Land Council.