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Speaker 1: It is fifteen minutes away from ten o'clock. Coming your way.

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Speaker 1: After ten o'clock, we are going to be speaking to

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Speaker 1: the Police Association President, Paul mchw. We know that the

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Speaker 1: government announced over the weekend that they're going to be

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Speaker 1: investing an additional ten million dollars into the Northern Territory Police,

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Speaker 1: Fire and Emergency Services. So it's a one off payment

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Speaker 1: which the government says recognizes the ongoing service and dedication

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Speaker 1: from the Northern Territory Police Foreign Emergency Service members who've

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Speaker 1: worked tirelessly to keep the community safe during COVID nineteen.

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Speaker 1: So we'll find out exactly what that money's going to

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Speaker 1: be invested in and the response from the Police Association.

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Speaker 1: But as we know well, the Royal Commission into Veterans

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Speaker 1: Suicide it started on Friday with a ceremonial hearing with

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Speaker 1: participants to begin giving evidence as of today, it was

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Speaker 1: established on July eighth this year to address high rates

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Speaker 1: of suicide among those who've served in the Australian Defense Forces.

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Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line to talk more about

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Speaker 1: about this is the Northern Territory's Federal Member for Solomon

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Speaker 1: Luke Goslin. Good morning, to you, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Katy Luke.

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Speaker 1: The Royal Commission it is going to be considering systemic

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Speaker 1: issues relevant to the death by suicide of defense members

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Speaker 1: and veterans, as well as risk factors and protective measures

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Speaker 1: and the ability or the availability, i should say, of

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Speaker 1: support services. Luke, what are territory veterans telling you about

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Speaker 1: the Royal Commission getting underway at this point?

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Speaker 2: They're very glad that it's begun. There's different levels of

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Speaker 2: faith in the process. I think that's fair to say

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Speaker 2: in that some people see this as the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: fix the system in a systemic way, as you just mentioned, Katie.

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Speaker 2: Others have seen other reviews come and go with issues

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Speaker 2: in the system not being resolved. But overall, I think

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Speaker 2: people are hopeful and glad that in particular the families

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Speaker 2: of those that we've lost, we'll get to tell their

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Speaker 2: son or daughter's story and in particular with the other

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Speaker 2: family members, and that will put together a picture I

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Speaker 2: think of where veterans have fallen through the gaps in

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Speaker 2: the past, so that we can make sure that we

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Speaker 2: plug those gaps by this system the systemic changes that

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Speaker 2: we need.

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Speaker 1: Look, do we know exactly how it's going to work.

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Speaker 1: You know, who are the Royal commission like, who are

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Speaker 1: those commissioners are going to be speaking to and hearing from.

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Speaker 2: Anyone can ask to give evidence, either in written form

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Speaker 2: or in person, and in fact you can ask for

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Speaker 2: a private hearing. I'm assisting a member of the Defense

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Speaker 2: Forces who's still serving in Darwen's family at the moment

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Speaker 2: with issues to do with that individual's case and how

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Speaker 2: that's progressing with the Department of Veterans Affairs, so you

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Speaker 2: could you would understand, Cady that some people who are

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Speaker 2: still serving want to sort of be careful if they

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Speaker 2: want to stay employed. Not the d IDF would act

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Speaker 2: out against anyone who was making their case known. But

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Speaker 2: just this morning, I've been talking to a member from

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Speaker 2: the Navy. You had a serious back injury, and I'm

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Speaker 2: assisting him to get some better assistance, and he told

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Speaker 2: me about two other people that have been in wheelchairs

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Speaker 2: for some times. I know that a soldier that I

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Speaker 2: serve with is still in a wheelchair many years after

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Speaker 2: the injury, and we're still trying to make sure that

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Speaker 2: they're getting more support from the Department of v Affairs.

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Speaker 2: And I think we're seeing some movement in that, but

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Speaker 2: serious injuries can happen, whether it be on operations overseas

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Speaker 2: or here in Australia or during training, and we've seen

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Speaker 2: a correlation. I think the Royal Commission will show this

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Speaker 2: that it is those that their medical situation, their mental

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Speaker 2: health situation is not addressed appropriately early, that there's a

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Speaker 2: deterioration in faith in the system, there's a deterioration in

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Speaker 2: the well being of the individual and that's what we've

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Speaker 2: really got a nip in the bud with better services

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Speaker 2: upfront and the well being centers such as the one

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Speaker 2: in Darwin that started in an interim way by Mates

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Speaker 2: for Mates is a bit of a start to recognize

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Speaker 2: that people and their families need a lot more support

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Speaker 2: earlier and that will lead to much better outcomes.

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Speaker 1: And look, this is something that you and I have

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Speaker 1: spoken about on numerous occasions. I know that you know

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Speaker 1: You've had you on the show prior to the Royal

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Speaker 1: very vocal saying that it needed to happen. I'd sort

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Speaker 1: mean that it takes an awful long time and nothing

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Speaker 1: changes in the meantime, Do you sort of have that

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Speaker 1: confidence that we are going to see some changes in

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Speaker 1: and those that are still serving.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm confident GUARDI that there will be real change

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Speaker 2: come out of this Royal Commission. Of course, it comes

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Speaker 2: veterans affairs being a federal issue, but also obviously in

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Speaker 2: Darhen we've got Paul Kirby, he's the Veterans Minister from

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Speaker 2: the anti government's perspective, and there's state and territory ministers

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Speaker 2: that focus on these issues as well, but it is

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Speaker 2: a federal issue, a federal labor successful at the election

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Speaker 2: federal election early next year, are we pushing to make

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Speaker 2: sure that there's the full support that we can bring

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Speaker 2: to enforcing the recommendations? And likewise, if the current government continues,

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Speaker 2: are we pushing them to make sure that the sufficient

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Speaker 2: it's not just another parliamentary report that gathers us without

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Speaker 2: any real and meaningful change.

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Speaker 1: Luke, before I let you go this morning, just on

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Speaker 1: another topic, I know that nationally, it is being reported

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Speaker 1: that social media social media companies could be forced to

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Speaker 1: reveal their identities or the identities of anonymous users in

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Speaker 1: an effort to crack down on online trolling. Now, these

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Speaker 1: be introduced to Parliament next year. Currently, could see or

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Speaker 1: would see companies required to create a complaints process for

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Speaker 1: people who feel that they've been defined online, and laws

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Speaker 1: identities of users if people wanted to pursue legal action. Luke,

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Speaker 1: will this work?

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Speaker 2: Hard to say, Cadie. I think there'll be other experts

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Speaker 2: going to be. All I would say to people, as

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Speaker 2: a great deal, you know, you take that it comes

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Speaker 2: with the territory in politics, But a lot of harms

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Speaker 2: done to people by anonymous users of social media platforms.

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Speaker 2: So I'll just ask people who do use anonymous sites

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Speaker 2: just to think carefully about what damage you might be

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Speaker 2: doing to someone. And you know, we need to be

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Speaker 2: a bit kinder. I think if you think he wouldn't

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Speaker 2: idea to say it. But I think with the changes

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Speaker 2: this is a moving feast. I was given some advice

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Speaker 2: other people comment on my page because I might be

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Speaker 2: liable for things that other people say. So every now

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Speaker 2: and again you get people who are rude or disrespectful

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Speaker 2: online and they should one not do that, but just

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Speaker 2: be aware that, you know, they may be liable in

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Speaker 2: the future for any harm that comes about it as

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Speaker 2: a result of their words.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it is certainly well worth having

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Speaker 1: a think about. And those that are behaving in a

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Speaker 1: poor way online just stop. We will talk to you

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Speaker 1: again very soon. Thank you very much for your time

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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you,