1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: The UK has become the first country in the world 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: to grant approval to the Pfizer COVID nineteen vaccine, with 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: that jab to be rolled out from early next week, 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: potentially as Britain's death toll has climbed towards sixty thousand people. 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: But what does that mean for Australia. Well, the Australian 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: government has described the emergency approval of the vaccine as 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: an important step for the world, but they're standing firm 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: on that timeline for those vaccinations against coronavirus in Australia 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: to start from. 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: March next year. 11 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: Now joining me on the line is doctor Robert Parker, 12 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: the president of the Australian Medical Association. 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: Of the Northern Territory. Good morning, doctor Parker. 14 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: Morning Katie. 15 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: Now doctor Parker, before we get into the vaccine and 16 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: you know what's happening re COVID. I am keen to 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: find out what's happening out there at Royal Dalwin Hospital. 18 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: I understand that there's been a big traffic block at 19 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: the hospital this morning. 20 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 3: That's right, Katie. I tried to get to work this 21 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 3: morning and there was traffic block both ways. I understand 22 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: it was almost for half an hour apparently there was 23 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: there was a major traffic vehicle accident on the entry 24 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 3: road into the hospital. But it's ridiculous in this day 25 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: and age you've got such a fragile choke point to 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 3: Darwin's Major Hospital. We have we have been discussing this 27 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 3: with the Health Ministry as told us, it's going to 28 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 3: take a considerable time to have a community consultation with 29 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: people about a secondary road. But the problem is this 30 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: this accident this morning and the ensuing traffic jam, and 31 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: there were ambulances blocked in, there were fieries blocked in, 32 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 3: so you know, ambulances couldn't get access to the hospital. Wow, 33 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 3: that sounds ridiculous in this day and age where you know, 34 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 3: Darwin's Major Hospital has only got one very fragile choke 35 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: point road into it. Well, there was a problem there. 36 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: The hospital doesn't operate. 37 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean doctor parking. 38 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: You would think, like one would suspect that there was 39 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: even like a backway of getting into the hospital or 40 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: another way that you know, that would be able to 41 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: get those vehicles, those emergency vehicles in and out if required, 42 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: because potentially that could be a fairly dangerous situation if 43 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: you can't. 44 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 3: It's a critical situation and there's no planning as far 45 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: as I understand, for any secondary road to deal with 46 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 3: the situation. So I think it's a major problem for 47 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: the for the health department at the moment. I mean, 48 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 3: this is a it's a rare event, but the fact 49 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: that you can actually have the hospital blocked and it's 50 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 3: can effect it for half an hour because of a 51 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: simple accident, I think it is a major issue for 52 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 3: health and needs to addressed urgently. 53 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 54 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: I honestly I was not aware that that was you know, 55 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: that that was a situation. I would have thought that 56 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: you'd still be able to get people in and out 57 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 1: of the hospital as required. But from what you're saying, 58 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: that is just not the case. 59 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 3: That's correct. Well, there was fairly evident this morning with Tree. 60 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 3: I sent you a photograph of traffic Brockland was Drive, 61 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 3: which is normally a very fast traffic flow in Yeah. 62 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 3: So it's just ridiculous so that the health departments allowed 63 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 3: this to occur. 64 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: Doctor Parker, I mean, is it fairly essential that they 65 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: that they get some work underway, even if it's you know, 66 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: it's a small service, right or something, so that you know, 67 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: if we need to get emergency vehicles in and out 68 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: of the hospital if there's a similar situation down the 69 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: track that we're able to do so well. 70 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 3: I understand there's existing roads in through Lions and obviously 71 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 3: that's where the community consultational need to take place. But 72 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 3: there are already existing roads that it wouldn't take much 73 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: work to make them operable. So yeah, and there are 74 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 3: other options such as having a further road down Rocklands 75 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: Drive that potentially could go above the water course and 76 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 3: act as another entry point. That's obviously going to be 77 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 3: a lot more expensive than trying to look at improving 78 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: a road through lines, but obviously the citizens of Lions, yeah, 79 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: probably have thoughts about that. But the problem is the 80 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 3: government's got a hospital where like a simple accident can 81 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 3: basically shut the hospital down, and that in this day 82 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 3: and age, you think that's almost essentially bizarre. 83 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, I agree. 84 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: Look, I actually think it's I'm glad that you raised 85 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: it because it's not something that I was aware of, 86 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: and I think it is something that the community needs 87 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: to be made aware of and that the Health Department 88 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: potentially and the Minister need to take a bit of 89 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: a closer look at more urgently. 90 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 3: Well, we certainly are in a discussion with a minister 91 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 3: about that, and I've been in further discussion this morning 92 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: with her. 93 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: All Right, well, let's wait and see what happens in 94 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: that space, Doctor Parker. I appreciate you raising it with us, 95 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: so no doubt it impacted quite a few people trying 96 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: to get in and out of the hospital today. 97 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: Well, as I said, the main concern was watching those 98 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: ambulances and fire engines stuck in the traffic. You know, 99 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: they had no other option but to sit there along 100 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 3: with the rest of it. I mean, the people in 101 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: main We're just possible is getting to work. There may 102 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 3: have been someone espar to trying to get to the 103 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 3: ED the service, but you know, to see ambulances and 104 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,480 Speaker 3: flyings and stuck in traffic but unable to move h 105 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: it's a real concern. 106 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: It certainly is. 107 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: Well, Dr Parker, let's also talk about this situation. I 108 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: mentioned just a moment ago that the UK is obviously 109 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: the first country in the world to grant approval to 110 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: Pfizer this COVID nineteen vaccine, with that jab. 111 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 2: Expected to be rolled out as early as next week. 112 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: I guess you know when we hear this type of 113 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: international news, we always wonder what it means for Australia 114 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: and what it could potentially mean for the Northern territory. 115 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: But does it mean that the vaccine has sort of 116 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: gone through all the usual protocols that it would need 117 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: to go through. 118 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: Well, you said to think that the UK regularly authorities 119 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: have actually satisfied that it has met some sort of 120 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: safety standard. I mean it has been brought up though 121 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: that there was a recent AMA executive meeting with some 122 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: very wise heads and who pointed out that there's a 123 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: lot of public stuff about the vaccines, but there's very 124 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: little medical evidence in terms of whether they're working or not. 125 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: And I suppose the great advantage for Australia with the 126 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 3: current situation of the UK is that when they introduce 127 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: the vaccine, we'll have a couple of months to evaluate it, 128 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: evaluate its effectiveness, evaluate any significant side effects before we 129 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: look at population similar population issues in Australia. 130 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: And do you reckon that's essential for us here in 131 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: Australia before we even look at rolling something like this out, 132 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: we've really got to be quite confident that it is 133 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: working in the UK. 134 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: Well, it's correct, I mean, we want to make sure 135 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: that the vaccine actually does work and control COVID, and 136 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 3: we also want to see if there's any significant side 137 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 3: effects of the curve from the use of it. So, 138 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 3: you know, in many ways, the UK population is a 139 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: test population, and I suppose Australia will be watching very 140 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 3: closely to see what happens with it. 141 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: And I mean, would you be confident with something like 142 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: this rolling out in Australia at this stage or do 143 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: we you know, is it really going to need to 144 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: be tested, tried and tested before we even look. 145 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 2: At it here? 146 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 3: Well, given the lack of scientific evidence, I'm cautious and 147 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 3: I prefer to wait and see, you know, to see 148 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 3: what happens. And I mean, it'll be a very good 149 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 3: population study, and I presume there'll be some expert scientific 150 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 3: papers coming out of what happens in the UK Australia. 151 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 3: You know, the experts in Australia will be able to 152 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: gauge whether the vaccine's a good thing or a bad 153 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 3: thing based on that evidence coming from the UK. 154 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: From a you know, from a layman's perspective, it does 155 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: seem like it could be a real game changer for 156 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: us when it comes to you know, when it comes 157 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: to COVID and and the way in which we're managing 158 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: things all around the world. 159 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 3: Well, that's right. I mean the issue is at the 160 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: moment Australias would be way ahead of the pack in 161 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 3: terms of its control of COVID. I mean, our main 162 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: problem is obviously our connection to the rest of the world, 163 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: but we have to balance that against a couple of 164 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: months just when to see if this vaccine's worth because 165 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 3: if act, you know, as I've said numerous times before, 166 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 3: if the's fact, if the bug gets it back into Australia, 167 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: we're going to have all the same issues we had 168 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: in Melbourne, and that was a disaster both for the 169 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: people of Melbourne and their economy. So I think we're 170 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: very lucky to be in the position we're in and 171 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: we can basically have the I suppose a distant view 172 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: of whether this vaccines effective. 173 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and doctor Parker, with the borders now essentially opened, 174 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: I mean there's no COVID hot spots right now, so 175 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: essentially the northern territories open to all of Australia. Has 176 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: everything been running fairly smoothly from your perspective. 177 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean everything you know, the Executive has 178 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 3: been monitoring the whole situation very closely, having weekly meetings 179 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: that decided now to put them all off till till January, 180 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 3: which I think indicates from an AMA perspective that you know, 181 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: things are certainly much more on the control than they 182 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 3: were a couple of months ago. So I think I think, 183 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 3: you know, again, congratulations to all the health departments, to 184 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: all the c chos have been basically managing this, and 185 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 3: the National Cabinet for having some very effective ways of 186 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: keeping Australia safe. 187 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, we seem to be. We seem to be doing 188 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: a good job here in Australia. Hats off to everybody involved, 189 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: including us as you know as Aussies, that we've been 190 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: able to do that. 191 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: That's correct. Yeah, I think we're in a very lucky position. 192 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: This is a very dangerous bug. It's still out there 193 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 3: and obviously you know we're seeing from the UK from 194 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 3: America at the name of the damage it's doing. So 195 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 3: I think, you know, I think it's from my you know, 196 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 3: an AMA perspective of watching weight is far more preferable. 197 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 3: And again there's there's all sorts of issues here with 198 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 3: Cold Chaine as well, this particular vaccine requires a very 199 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 3: strict cold chain protocol and we have to make sure 200 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 3: that would also be interesting to see whether those could 201 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: chanre issues come up in terms of the effectiveness of 202 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 3: the vaccines. So I'm sure that'll be reviewed as well. 203 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, particularly for US in 204 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:12,079 Speaker 1: somewhere like Northern Australia, if you've got to keep the 205 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,839 Speaker 1: vaccine extra cold, it may be an issue. 206 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: That's correct. That's correct. So it's going to be interesting 207 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 3: to see the as much the process of vaccination if 208 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 3: there's any problems with that. Yeah, and again again the 209 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 3: UK is a good experimental population for us through you 210 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 3: in a few months to see if everything's working. 211 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, oh well, doctor Robert Parker, it's always good 212 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: to catch up with you. 213 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: I really appreciate your time this morning. 214 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Katie, thank you, And it. 215 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 2: Is just on twenty nine minutes after nine o'clock. 216 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm always really interested in doctor Robert Parker's perspective, particularly 217 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: as the head of the AMA here in the territory, 218 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: when you look at something like that COVID nineteen vaccine 219 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: or the fires A vaccine, I should say, and how 220 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: it may roll over to Australia and indeed the Northern Territory. 221 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: When you're talking about such a huge in national story 222 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: and a story of significance in terms of that vaccine 223 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: being approved, I mean potentially rolling out as early as 224 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: next week. 225 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: It seems quite phenomenal. 226 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: Keen to get your thoughts on that, though, if you know, 227 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: would you be confident having it at this stage. I 228 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: feel the same as what Dr Parker said, and also 229 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: what Matti Hipworth and I were discussing a little earlier, 230 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: where it will be a good opportunity to wait and 231 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: see how it rolls out in the UK first, where 232 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: we know that they are having real, real issues. 233 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: They're trying to flatten that curve.