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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hi?
Speaker 1: Do you love that The most Butcher's thing about me
Speaker 1: that's ever happened is that I have a top gun mug.
Speaker 2: I was going to say that you had a plaid pajama.
Speaker 2: I'm sorting in Beethoven. You know.
Speaker 1: The first time that I ever met you, I was sorry,
Speaker 1: it's the first time you sort of ever hung out
Speaker 1: one on one. I invited you over to my house.
Speaker 1: I was so excited that you're coming to my house.
Speaker 1: I like cleaned it within an inch of its life,
Speaker 1: had everything all fully set up because I was just
Speaker 1: like so excited you were coming over.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh I'm so sorry. I didn't notice
Speaker 2: the cleanliness. If you've had the white King out. No,
Speaker 2: I loved your place. It was just like it was
Speaker 2: so quirky, but everything had a story, which makes sense
Speaker 2: because that's very you.
Speaker 1: Ben loves that I walk people around the house and
Speaker 1: tell everyone how much everything is worth in case you
Speaker 1: have to cash it.
Speaker 2: In one day pawn shop, which is very likely.
Speaker 1: Sure, it's so fun about the fact that we're doing
Speaker 1: this is how many people wrote to me to say,
Speaker 1: when are you doing another what to watch with Ilana?
Speaker 1: People who've never written to me ever before in their
Speaker 1: life started writing to me.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so great. Well, it's good to
Speaker 2: be back. There's plenty going on.
Speaker 1: You had to watch Palm Royal because we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about it a little bit later. But did you
Speaker 1: end up having a martini because that show drives you
Speaker 1: to drink? Right?
Speaker 2: I did not have a martini because I only watched
Speaker 2: one episode and then I had to get to the
Speaker 2: next one. However, tonight it's a Friday night, I'm one
Speaker 2: hundred percent and watch a couple more and make something
Speaker 2: something delicious.
Speaker 1: So this week we're going to discuss Palm Royal, which
Speaker 1: are so excited to talk about High Country, which also
Speaker 1: is amazing, Apple Never Falls, and of course we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about all of the freeware stuff. We're going
Speaker 1: to touch on all the freeware changes that are about
Speaker 1: to happen because obviously we're losing Maths. It's going to
Speaker 1: be replaced with Food Stars, which you would know nothing about.
Speaker 1: Idol's going to be replaced with Farmer One's Wife and
Speaker 1: Channel ten's Loss Survivor, and now it's going to be
Speaker 1: on the Celebrity So I want to know from your
Speaker 1: perspective from afar what you think about all of those changes.
Speaker 1: But look, let's get into the real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: This has been a wild season of the show. You
Speaker 1: and I debriefed this season well before it came out
Speaker 1: and said that they need to have like a quieter,
Speaker 1: fashion centric, easy season because of all the drama of
Speaker 1: what had happened with Lisa Renna and with her leaving. However,
Speaker 1: I feel like it was just such a mess of
Speaker 1: a season in general, and I'm so disappointed. I actually
Speaker 1: didn't believe that I could ever be this disappointed with
Speaker 1: this franchise.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I couldn't agree more. I think it
Speaker 2: was a very average season. I think the reunion was
Speaker 2: just how they stretched that out to three parts is
Speaker 2: beyond me. There was nothing there. And to get to
Speaker 2: that final episode of the reunion, Kyle dancing around a
Speaker 2: lot of the questions about her and Mauricio, her and
Speaker 2: more and way Sutton having her episode and getting taken
Speaker 2: off with a medic but in a chanelle jacket that
Speaker 2: she changed into with another cast member who they didn't
Speaker 2: force to stay at answer the question. I was just like, what,
Speaker 2: even he is a Kathy on the couch even though
Speaker 2: she hadn't been on one episode of the season, almost
Speaker 2: to be like a Kyle mouthpiece. I was just I
Speaker 2: don't know what's happening. I really was quite disappointed. I
Speaker 2: was pretty disappointed in just that whole handling of the
Speaker 2: situation by Andy Cohen. I just think he went so
Speaker 2: easy on Kyle and you could see her giving him
Speaker 2: the eyes. Don't you think like that, Andy, shut up?
Speaker 2: That's enough in our eyes? And he did, and I
Speaker 2: just really I know he's like really chumming with her
Speaker 2: and their favorites, but I just expected a bit more
Speaker 2: from him, given that that's really the only strong storyline
Speaker 2: that they had. And then we sort of got to
Speaker 2: the end and we didn't have an explosive finish. I
Speaker 2: was just shocked.
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me, though, you know how they
Speaker 1: said that or Erica Jane came out publicly and it
Speaker 1: might have been in the start of the first episode
Speaker 1: of the three part finale. You know that he viscerated
Speaker 1: her when he needed to. But you know what was
Speaker 1: really funny about that, I think we've got four parts
Speaker 1: of that reunion, the time that Erica Jane got a vicerated,
Speaker 1: But I don't know if he ever asked her any
Speaker 1: questions that we really wanted the answers to, and then
Speaker 1: to see us here again with someone that we as
Speaker 1: viewers have invested in for thirteen seasons to not have
Speaker 1: him ask No, he did ask about Morgan Waite, thank
Speaker 1: you Andy Coin for that, but we didn't get any answers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I mean, look, he asked them, she
Speaker 2: gave very top line or you know. I mean, at
Speaker 2: one point she said it's none of people's business in
Speaker 2: relation to one of the questions he asked, and you
Speaker 2: could see Erica roller Eyes and Direte roller Eyes and
Speaker 2: sort of think, well, hang on, it's everyone's business when
Speaker 2: it's somebody else, or it's someone else's storyline or at
Speaker 2: someone else's drama to kind of poke into. So they
Speaker 2: did not appreciate that response. But I just think, yeah,
Speaker 2: she's obviously got her own agenda of how she's going
Speaker 2: to unveil that relationship, which I think everyone at this
Speaker 2: point is believing that they are eaten, and or whether
Speaker 2: she's wanting things to play out on Mauricio's show as well,
Speaker 2: Buying Beverly Hills, because that's dropping and we've already seen
Speaker 2: a few trailers for that, which are you know, delivering
Speaker 2: pretty strong little nuggets of what was going on in
Speaker 2: the relationship, because that was filming later after Beverly Hills
Speaker 2: had wrapped up, so they might be a bit more
Speaker 2: juice there. But I just felt like, yeah, she answered them,
Speaker 2: and I think in her mind she's like, I've done enough,
Speaker 2: and she made that very clear. She's like, I've delivered
Speaker 2: thirteen season. Other people are delivering about you know, their
Speaker 2: horses and their cashmere lines or whatever she said to something.
Speaker 2: But I still don't think we got that much from her.
Speaker 1: We got nothing. And you know what's so strange, I
Speaker 1: think reality TV is going to have to change this
Speaker 1: because we're so used to having everything stripped over a
Speaker 1: whole season. You know, one storyline, Pandygate, one whole season.
Speaker 1: Youers are sick of this now. If you want to
Speaker 1: make good reality television, you're going to have to make
Speaker 1: it faster, the same way that we saw the evolution
Speaker 1: of scripted drama as well, Like back in the day,
Speaker 1: Party of Five would do a whole season on Nev
Speaker 1: Campbell and a breakup, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: you can't do scripted drama like that anymore. You can
Speaker 1: have a breakup that episode and then you need like
Speaker 1: something very strong by the next ad break you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, they can't script they can't strip
Speaker 1: this stuff this long anymore, because I guarantee you it'll
Speaker 1: be the death of reality. We need it faster.
Speaker 2: Well. On that breaking news today around Beverly Hills and
Speaker 2: the casting so Anne Marie Wiley Anna Marie, which we
Speaker 2: were like, is it amory potato potato?
Speaker 1: We don't even need to care about the pronounce.
Speaker 2: It's literally gone on Instagram to basically confirm that she
Speaker 2: will not be back for season fourteen. However, in doing so,
Speaker 2: she has kind of thrown the production company under the bus.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to read this quickly for people that
Speaker 2: might not have seen the news. This is on her Instagram.
Speaker 2: I just got word today that I will not be
Speaker 2: returning to the Real Housewives of Bev Hills. To say
Speaker 2: that I'm disappointed is an understatement. I never auditioned for
Speaker 2: this show. The show found me and asked me to
Speaker 2: be on it. Out of the blue six weeks after
Speaker 2: the cast had already started filming. I was thrown into
Speaker 2: filming two weeks later mid season. I was excited about
Speaker 2: the opportunity, and I thought, following exactly what I was
Speaker 2: instructed to do throughout the filming last season was the
Speaker 2: way the game was played. Listening to what I was
Speaker 2: actually instructed to do was my rookie mistake. What I
Speaker 2: am disappointed about is that the fans never got to
Speaker 2: see the real me or even a glimpse of my
Speaker 2: unique life story, contrary to what was shown on TV.
Speaker 2: I'm not obsessed with the esophagus, lol. What I am
Speaker 2: is a woman, a proud Black woman who's truly blessed
Speaker 2: with a wonderful, strong Black man as my husband who
Speaker 2: lifts me up, and our full wonderful children with so
Speaker 2: much love and positivity on the daily. It was an
Speaker 2: important mission of mine for the next season to show
Speaker 2: a solid black family unit and that true black love
Speaker 2: exists even in Beverly Hills. My struggle with losing my
Speaker 2: mother to Lunghans within weeks of taping, and my struggle
Speaker 2: with adoption trauma, and what was going to be and
Speaker 2: still will be a new life journey for me to
Speaker 2: find my biological parents, all of which was taped that
Speaker 2: never shown last season.
Speaker 1: How fucking boring, though, Can I just say, like she's
Speaker 1: missed it again, like I'm so sorry, Like all of that. Great.
Speaker 1: You should emulate those things. You don't need to try
Speaker 1: and prove those things. Do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't want to come. I don't want people to
Speaker 1: come for me with and cancel me for being racist. Here.
Speaker 1: I get what she's trying to say about being a
Speaker 1: strong black woman with a strong black whatever, all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. It is important. I'm not taking that away
Speaker 1: from her, but that isn't the point of being on
Speaker 1: these shows. The point, and we know this with reality television,
Speaker 1: is to be genuine and authentic. That's the currency with
Speaker 1: your audience. Do not listen to producers. They are like
Speaker 1: a little bee in a little bubble and they're just
Speaker 1: going to buzz around and tell you to be their mouthpiece.
Speaker 1: Do not do that ever to anyone listening to this podcast.
Speaker 1: You can do that on a reality show. You just
Speaker 1: have to continuously be yourself or it doesn't work.
Speaker 2: I do feel for her, though, because I think you know,
Speaker 2: when there's new castings you really do need a couple
Speaker 2: of seasons for you know, that audience bond to grow
Speaker 2: with a new person, whether it falls flat like it
Speaker 2: has done with Crystal for three seasons or not, but
Speaker 2: at least she's had the chance. I get what she's saying.
Speaker 2: She's sort of got thrown in there. They were obviously
Speaker 2: giving her little, you know, nuggets to say Polkes aren't
Speaker 2: about these sophigures and this and that, and get in
Speaker 2: there and be a bit dramatic with Crystal, and she's
Speaker 2: followed their guide and then they've sort of said, Okay,
Speaker 2: well that's enough. Thing. So but for her to sort
Speaker 2: of come out on Instagram and basically say that she's
Speaker 2: really pissed with the production company is basically the subtext
Speaker 2: of what she's written there. And that's a little bit
Speaker 2: thrown under the bas the.
Speaker 1: Most interesting thing that you have done throw down at
Speaker 1: Bravo publicly at this point of the game. I know
Speaker 1: this sounds like a crazy thing to say at this point,
Speaker 1: but every single moment that you're on reality television, you
Speaker 1: need to be delivering something engaging, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like every single day you need to drop
Speaker 1: something big. Otherwise the audience are bored out of their brains.
Speaker 1: I mean, our own lives are more exciting than yours.
Speaker 2: Anna Marie Well a shade from the Norris this morning,
Speaker 2: I know, but like, come on at this point.
Speaker 1: My favorite franchise of reality television basically ever is The
Speaker 1: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. It's really hard to fuck
Speaker 1: it up. And this season was bullshit, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like even Denise Richards being dragged as hard as she
Speaker 1: was to be allowed to be on the show that drunk.
Speaker 1: Whilst it was great television and I love the upside
Speaker 1: down jacket, thank you very much for that iconic piece
Speaker 1: of work, it was all very unfair. It was all
Speaker 1: a cash grab for our attention at the expense of
Speaker 1: someone else's what I would say, or mental health.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think we've spoken about this before. They
Speaker 2: were clutching at straws. They've obviously been clutching its straws
Speaker 2: enough for them to obviously go and cast Amory as
Speaker 2: a full time housewife, not bringing her on as a
Speaker 2: friend of which was their mistake, not bringing her on
Speaker 2: in a casual capacity to be like, hang on, we'll
Speaker 2: just see how she deals with the group. But to
Speaker 2: put her in the titles, give her a diamond, put
Speaker 2: her on the press junket, and then to basically be like, oh,
Speaker 2: we fucked up, and then she's gone. So the filming
Speaker 2: starts again in April, which is right around the corner.
Speaker 2: This will be the first of the cast changes, I believe.
Speaker 2: I don't think this will be the last one. And
Speaker 2: I think they've got a very short window to fix this.
Speaker 1: Alana, they all get told every time at the same time.
Speaker 1: But what happens is and Teddy Mellencamp revealed this, and
Speaker 1: that is that they all take their time to have
Speaker 1: their moment to say that the show is not happening
Speaker 1: for them. And I think that this series has a
Speaker 1: lot of exits. I think there's going to be a
Speaker 1: lot of upsets with the way in which they change
Speaker 1: the cast. And you better believe that Amerie coming out
Speaker 1: first is your time to shine, honey, and now we're
Speaker 1: going to get to eat Crystal so many others like
Speaker 1: even but.
Speaker 2: How many do you think they can change in such
Speaker 2: a short period of time before people start to freak
Speaker 2: out because the familiarity isn't like how many realistically do
Speaker 2: you think they could change?
Speaker 1: But the ratings have gone. The ratings are down. This
Speaker 1: is the lowest rating season finale. And also it was
Speaker 1: about the engagement level as well. And you have to
Speaker 1: admit this. Have we ever in a reunion for Beverly
Speaker 1: Hills felt as bored as we felt? It was literally
Speaker 1: nothing like I felt like, Oh, next part three comes
Speaker 1: out today, don't fucking care?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I know, And that's not like us We're normally
Speaker 2: counting down the day. I just feel like three the
Speaker 2: max they can change for one season before people start
Speaker 2: to freak out. So I think the read might go,
Speaker 2: and Crystal might go, and the rest. I think maybe
Speaker 2: by complete default are going to be given a life jacket,
Speaker 2: just because I don't think they can change more than that.
Speaker 1: Do you know who I don't want to see on
Speaker 1: this show become a housewife, and I don't you know
Speaker 1: it would be detrimental to the series. If Sutton's friend
Speaker 1: what's her name? That access Jennifer Tilly, if she turns
Speaker 1: up on this show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no thanks, I'm done.
Speaker 1: We get an exit from Kyle, which is a very
Speaker 1: real possibility, and.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that she plays this game every year.
Speaker 2: I think she will be there until the wheels fall off.
Speaker 1: She likes to off. It's the bottom of the car
Speaker 1: now along the gravel, like you could now do to
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 2: I think they've got a chance to bring it back.
Speaker 2: I do think I think they I mean, will Kathy
Speaker 2: be back?
Speaker 1: I don't know just what we want. All we care
Speaker 1: about is the Richard Sisters. We want Kathy, Kim and
Speaker 1: Kyle on the same show and just change the name
Speaker 1: to the to the real Richard Sisters of Crazy Cuckoo
Speaker 1: Town and at least have Lisa Renner there to take
Speaker 1: them to account. Sorry for being so savage about it,
Speaker 1: but I just genuinely that's how I feel. Before we
Speaker 1: move off this, Yeah, I have some news for you.
Speaker 1: I really hated Erica Jane's two part series Better Long Blonde.
Speaker 1: I hated it.
Speaker 2: Really you hated it. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I know you did. You send me a message and
Speaker 1: we got to preview it early, so you saw it
Speaker 1: before I did, and we got a previewing. Thank you.
Speaker 1: How you for doing that for us, And you were
Speaker 1: like really into.
Speaker 2: It, but I was really into it.
Speaker 1: You cried in the finale.
Speaker 2: I genuinely cried. I was like, what a warrior she's overcome.
Speaker 2: She's back on the stage. I sort of it maybe
Speaker 2: because I pumped it up to you so much, the
Speaker 2: expectations were higher. I just sort of went in for
Speaker 2: a casual viewing thinking it was just going to be
Speaker 2: dance rehearsals and yeah, just kind of watching her put
Speaker 2: the nuts and bolts of the show together. I wasn't
Speaker 2: sort of expecting the extra layer of vulnerability from her
Speaker 2: and seeing her friendship with Mikey, seeing the ups and
Speaker 2: downs of what happens behind the scenes of a show
Speaker 2: in terms of like the ress and the relationships and
Speaker 2: how they have to kind of navigate through such a
Speaker 2: stressful process. So I kind of enjoyed that part of it,
Speaker 2: and I sort of thought when I saw her at
Speaker 2: the end there, and I thought, you know, that's all
Speaker 2: she wanted was that career, and she's managed to hang
Speaker 2: on to it. Good for her. I just can't, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, though, in what way?
Speaker 1: It's so contrived. It's so contrived and it is not
Speaker 1: a reality. Like how deluded do we have to be?
Speaker 1: We know that the ticket sales for Betterlan Blonde in
Speaker 1: Vegas for like six dollars to go along and see it.
Speaker 1: She's not Madonna, She's not one of these true icons.
Speaker 1: And you know that I love Erica Jane Wright like
Speaker 1: I love Erica Jane I think she's great talent, but
Speaker 1: I just feel quite contrived by trying to believe that
Speaker 1: she is as big as what they try to make
Speaker 1: her out to be on that show. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I get what you're saying. But I mean, ultimately,
Speaker 2: she does have a strong fan base for the people
Speaker 2: that love her. Was it enough to sustain as many
Speaker 2: shows as she did in Vegas? She did a lot
Speaker 2: of shows that wasn't like she did one or two shots.
Speaker 2: She had like a mini sort of residency there, So
Speaker 2: maybe they overcooked that a tad.
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, come on, like it's you know,
Speaker 1: her fan base is literally it's us.
Speaker 2: It's you and I and we were there it is.
Speaker 2: But I think, look, she almost had nothing to her
Speaker 2: own admission, so to get something back and to not
Speaker 2: be completely out on the street. And I think that's
Speaker 2: another reason that if she gets off at another contract
Speaker 2: for Real Housewives, she will say yes because she needs
Speaker 2: it and to get you know, some kind of fan
Speaker 2: engagement and that kind of show. I think she, you know,
Speaker 2: hats off. She could have just gone away in a
Speaker 2: whole But anyway, it's not often we disagree on those shows,
Speaker 2: so that's good.
Speaker 1: Never, Never, we have to talk about Palm Royal, which
Speaker 1: is now out on Apple Plus. It is a true
Speaker 1: underdog story that follows Maxene Simmons, played by Kristin Wigg
Speaker 1: as she endeavors to break into this high society club
Speaker 1: which is really hard to get into it. It's all
Speaker 1: said in Palm Beach. The cast is so amazing and
Speaker 1: very camp, including Ricky Martin, Laura Dern, Allison, Jenny There's
Speaker 1: just so many amazing people in this but it actually
Speaker 1: does ask that question of how much of yourself are
Speaker 1: you willing to sacrifice to get what someone else has said?
Speaker 1: In the era of nineteen sixty nine, Palm Royal is
Speaker 1: a testament to every outsider fighting for their chance to
Speaker 1: truly belong to a group that doesn't really want them
Speaker 1: to belong. I don't even feel like I need to
Speaker 1: say too much more. What did you think of episode one?
Speaker 2: Yes? Oh my god, So I watched episode one last
Speaker 2: night and I just was instantly swept into that world.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, quite a few shows, and we've
Speaker 2: spoken about it before that we're watching at the moment
Speaker 2: with episode one, it's a bit of a slow burn
Speaker 2: and you're sort of a bit like it it's okay,
Speaker 2: and you're trying to figure out the dynamics where it's
Speaker 2: all kind of going to fit together. I did not
Speaker 2: feel like that with this. I felt instantly like I
Speaker 2: knew what was going on, the characters were well into
Speaker 2: do Visually, it just looked stunning, and I think in
Speaker 2: that sense it really had that like white Lotus appeal
Speaker 2: where you just visually want to watch that. You want
Speaker 2: to get your drink, you want your room to be dark.
Speaker 2: You've got these beautiful iconic scenes of the beach and
Speaker 2: the fashion, as you mentioned, and then Christian Wig just
Speaker 2: instantly captivates you. She just takes you into that world.
Speaker 2: That's the best character I've seen her play. I wasn't
Speaker 2: like a huge Christian Whig fan. I know that everyone
Speaker 2: you know, Brad's Maids and this and that. I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, whatever, it's de rom com, but I just
Speaker 2: find her in this role. She's absolutely killing it. And
Speaker 2: the support cars Alison Janny, Laura Dern.
Speaker 1: Laura Darney, like seriously like some.
Speaker 2: Of our favorites. So I am just absolutely loving every
Speaker 2: part of it. I feel like I've cut into one
Speaker 2: of those big kitty rainbow cakes and there's all the
Speaker 2: right colors and the layers, but like, we're going to
Speaker 2: get We're going to get to the messy dirtiness of
Speaker 2: it really soon. In regards to how they finished episode
Speaker 2: one without giving away any spoilers, but I think they've
Speaker 2: set the story up perfectly well.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you talk about kristin Wigan, you're not
Speaker 1: necessarily ever coming to her party because I'm such a
Speaker 1: big Christian Whig fan. I loved her on SNL. I
Speaker 1: was in on the ground floor of her success on
Speaker 1: that I watched those seasons. I might have been the
Speaker 1: only person that was watching SNL season four hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty five at that point. But she was so good
Speaker 1: and then Bride'smaids amazing. However, what had happened to her
Speaker 1: after Bride'smaids was so insane. She tried to become a
Speaker 1: serious actress. She was having all of these roles that
Speaker 1: were like, oh great, she's in this amazing movie. You know,
Speaker 1: love Christian Wig. But she never delivered like there was
Speaker 1: like nothing. Every time I turned up to a Christian
Speaker 1: Weik movie for the last ten years, I was like,
Speaker 1: what is going on with this woman? And this is
Speaker 1: her in her lane?
Speaker 2: Oh, she is in her lane alright. The way that
Speaker 2: she's playing this character and she's sort of so optimistic
Speaker 2: but then just enough to be the realist at the
Speaker 2: same time, and the way that she's sort of balancing
Speaker 2: and dancing with that line. I think that's what's making
Speaker 2: the dynamics sort of compelling viewing.
Speaker 1: It's laugh out loud, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: you're actually watching the show and you're laughing, and it's
Speaker 1: so relatable, Like as I was saying, when we sort
Speaker 1: of intrude this about us when we were younger, always
Speaker 1: wanting to be a part of the cool group. Do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that is gay?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just about fitting in in general, whatever
Speaker 2: that means to you. And I think that's where people
Speaker 2: can watch that show. And yes, it's about high society,
Speaker 2: but really it's the society that we're all living in
Speaker 2: in whatever way that is, whether you're a you know,
Speaker 2: gul mum with the committees or whether you're at work
Speaker 2: and you're trying to get into that department or whatever
Speaker 2: it is, and that's where it's really can land for everyone.
Speaker 1: What were you in law? What were you like? I
Speaker 1: want to just ask this question and delve a little
Speaker 1: bit deeper into Alana MacLean, Like in high school, are
Speaker 1: you prom queen?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Where do you fit in social hierarchy you? Because I
Speaker 1: think I imagine you to be prom queen?
Speaker 2: No, No, I wasn't. No. I was just sort of like
Speaker 2: there was that kind of group, and I would say
Speaker 2: I was maybe in sort of a next level group
Speaker 2: if you want to call it that, in like a
Speaker 2: pecking order. I was just no, I was just normal,
Speaker 2: Like I wasn't you know, I had friends that were
Speaker 2: guys and girls. I was friends with like a lot
Speaker 2: of different people.
Speaker 1: Sounds to me like you were popular at school, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like, I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: human Your adult life is I think people genuinely are
Speaker 1: drawn to you.
Speaker 2: You know, Alis and Jenny Laura Dern seeing them in
Speaker 2: these type of characters, they're so strong in their own way,
Speaker 2: and they really they really have set up a strong
Speaker 2: tempo in this first episode that you can see exactly
Speaker 2: where it's kind of going to play out in terms
Speaker 2: of those characters moving forward.
Speaker 1: I think this show is really camp. It is really fun.
Speaker 1: It makes me want to have more spray hands that
Speaker 1: I've ever had before.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Ricky Martin Levell break then he is bronzed.
Speaker 2: He is beautiful. What a great sort of little side
Speaker 2: role for him. I know I want that hair that
Speaker 2: episode one. If you're not hooked, I'll be surprised.
Speaker 1: The last thing I want to finish this on is
Speaker 1: how funny is Laura Dern. It's a wig in this show.
Speaker 1: Considering that this wig is Celeste's wig from Big Little Lives,
Speaker 1: it's literally the same wig Nicole Kidman was wearing in
Speaker 1: two seasons of Big Little Eyes.
Speaker 2: Really did it? I did not know that.
Speaker 1: When you watch it, watch for that wig and then
Speaker 1: get a screen grab of Nicole in her Celeste glory
Speaker 1: with her Big Little Lives wig and just laugh out
Speaker 1: loud like it's literally Laura Jurn must have wrung Nicole
Speaker 1: and said, hey, babe, no.
Speaker 2: I need that wig. You still got it.
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. I'm doing another series, babe, and I
Speaker 1: need that wig. The Celeste wig and Nicole you know,
Speaker 1: would have been like, well, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can pull it off, but you know, I'll send it
Speaker 1: to you in the mail.
Speaker 2: Oh it's so good. I mean even with that that
Speaker 2: we the character that she's playing, which is sort of
Speaker 2: the anti high society I guess you would call it.
Speaker 2: And she is, you know, about women, and she's really
Speaker 2: part of that feminist movement and women having a voice.
Speaker 2: And Kristen is kind of caught between the two worlds
Speaker 2: in her character in this initial episode what she wants
Speaker 2: and then where she's actually being wanted, which is with
Speaker 2: Laura Dern's kind of a click so the wig or not.
Speaker 2: She's definitely a queen of you know, being able to
Speaker 2: sort of put on that smile but having so much
Speaker 2: more lying behind it.
Speaker 1: Obsessed. So Apple's Never Fall is also on being and Foxtel.
Speaker 1: Everyone in West Palm Beach knows the Delaney family. This
Speaker 1: series is based on a Leanne Moriarty book which was
Speaker 1: very popular, probably one of her most popular books. It
Speaker 1: does follow Anette Benning and Sam Neil's characters. We do
Speaker 1: get to see them in Leanne Moriarty Glory, which is
Speaker 1: family dynamics being picked apart which I think is where
Speaker 1: this show works at its best. It is more of
Speaker 1: a who Done it? And that is completely set up
Speaker 1: right from the start. It's very glossy, it's very expensive.
Speaker 1: We know that it was filmed in Australia, except that
Speaker 1: it's apparently said in Miami. There's so much to be
Speaker 1: drawn into this series, and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people are going to be bing binge watching this over
Speaker 1: the next weekend.
Speaker 2: I'd say, well, I was very excited for this because
Speaker 2: I thought they were going to drop this week by
Speaker 2: week and they've dropped it all in one go, and
Speaker 2: I thought, oh my god, brilliant. I want to watch that.
Speaker 2: Last week I was traveling, I thought, oh, watch them
Speaker 2: all on the plane. That'll be great. And I didn't
Speaker 2: realize that on Binge you can't download, you can only stream.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh no, So I only just started
Speaker 2: watching it this week, so I think I'm like one
Speaker 2: and a half episodes in and I cannot wait to
Speaker 2: watch the rest of it. I think Annette Benning and
Speaker 2: Sam Neil are cassed perfectly in those roles, so it's
Speaker 2: set up like they are a retired couple. They've run
Speaker 2: this very high profile Tennis Academy. They're very well known,
Speaker 2: well to do in the community. They've got a beautiful
Speaker 2: family of four, they've got the gorgeous house. But as
Speaker 2: you say, Leanne Moriarty, is there is the queen of
Speaker 2: sort of setting up that scene and then going what
Speaker 2: is really going on under the surface, And that is
Speaker 2: really what you start to get a sense of in
Speaker 2: that first episode when Anett Bennings character is missing.
Speaker 1: It's set up so well. But my only issue with
Speaker 1: this series, an obvious thing that I want to say,
Speaker 1: and that is that Big Little Lives feels like the
Speaker 1: bench was set so high, and so that can sometimes
Speaker 1: be hard for viewers because we're always going to compare it.
Speaker 1: Is it an unfortunate way to enter this series to
Speaker 1: compare Apple's Never Falls Fall to Big Little Lives? Because
Speaker 1: I felt a little underwhelmed by this series, unfortunately, And
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's the comparison that's made me feel
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it could be because I didn't really yes,
Speaker 2: I mean obviously knowing it's the same author, but I
Speaker 2: didn't really approach it with that lens of thinking, oh,
Speaker 2: I want to if it's going to be as good
Speaker 2: as Big Little Lies. I thought the casting was great,
Speaker 2: with a Benning in the helm, and I think it's
Speaker 2: interesting to see a protagonist sort of on the screen
Speaker 2: that's in her sixties and you know, she hasn't had
Speaker 2: any work done and she's you know, it's a very
Speaker 2: different visual look from Big Little Eyes, where everyone was
Speaker 2: looking absolutely slick and shiny and beautiful and wrinkle free.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was a much more sort of
Speaker 2: real setting. And I think Sam Neil always nails his characters.
Speaker 2: He's always just got that little air of mystery and
Speaker 2: steek around him, but he's very charismatic. So and I
Speaker 2: think the way they sort of go between current time
Speaker 2: and then they're doing the flashbacks and you really get
Speaker 2: to see that playing out.
Speaker 1: I got confused, though, I get so confused. Okay, but
Speaker 1: I'm stupid, so like you know, like like.
Speaker 2: To me, I just liked that. I like their like, well,
Speaker 2: this is what's happening now, this is kind of what
Speaker 2: was happening then that that is giving you all the
Speaker 2: little nugget to set up the family relationships and understanding
Speaker 2: where they sit, but in a not so obvious way.
Speaker 1: Also, I'm struggling with it because there are too many
Speaker 1: flawed characters, Like I just all of these children, I'm like,
Speaker 1: our assholes and I just don't know. I guess the
Speaker 1: net Benning's the pull through, right. We do like and
Speaker 1: Betting in this show. There's something very warm about her,
Speaker 1: but you know again, she does some pretty outrageous things
Speaker 1: in this series. So I don't know, do you like King?
Speaker 2: I thought with the kids, so there's four kids in
Speaker 2: the first episode, I think it almost made it a
Speaker 2: little bit too obvious in that opening scene that they
Speaker 2: were like, this one's the fuck up, this one's the
Speaker 2: successful one, this one's the you know, like this one
Speaker 2: they're hiding lies from her parents. Like it was almost
Speaker 2: a little bit too obvious in that first scene. I
Speaker 2: think they didn't need to paint it that clearly. I
Speaker 2: think we would have got it, do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Although those children don't look related at all, like did
Speaker 1: they go to an adoption?
Speaker 2: So the casting was a little bit strange there, I
Speaker 2: agree with, Yeah, you're right, they could have made them
Speaker 2: at least look a little bit more similar.
Speaker 1: We have to talk about Jake Lacy, So he is
Speaker 1: very famous for being in that first series of whiteloaders.
Speaker 1: He's done a lot of shows. He's doing a lot
Speaker 1: of TV work, which I'm very happy with. I really
Speaker 1: like him. But I can't work out and why don't
Speaker 1: we judge people based on what they look like. I
Speaker 1: just want to know if you think he's hot. I
Speaker 1: can't work out if I think he's hot.
Speaker 2: I mean he's attractive. I wouldn't say like he's an
Speaker 2: attractive bote like he's attractive, but I wouldn't say I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Jack lazy. But I think you have
Speaker 2: a serious crush because I think he's literally brought him
Speaker 2: up to me about five times. So I think you
Speaker 2: do think he's hot. Ben. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine met him while he was filming
Speaker 1: the show and said he was also really lovely. I
Speaker 1: love that. I love when you hear that these actors
Speaker 1: from America that come over to Australia and they're down
Speaker 1: to Worth and I think that's great, that's great for him.
Speaker 1: But I just I feel like I spent most of
Speaker 1: the series trying to judge whether or not I found
Speaker 1: him are active, which is not the point.
Speaker 2: Okay, well maybe you missed a few other bits.
Speaker 1: Then what is your guest from watching the first few
Speaker 1: episodes on what has happened to Joy because I just
Speaker 1: want to me I feel like she has been murdered
Speaker 1: by sam Neil. I feel like they're going to lead
Speaker 1: us all the way to the end with him being
Speaker 1: the red herring, for him to be the bat like
Speaker 1: we'll be like, no, it's not sam Neil, it's not
Speaker 1: the husband. For them to tell us it's the husband.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's what are you?
Speaker 2: I mean, they're setting it up sort of. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of mystery and why is he lying to his
Speaker 2: own children. There's this mystery character Savannah, which would be
Speaker 2: like the obvious one. I think that they've pumped her in.
Speaker 2: She's an outsider. What's her motive? Why is she there?
Speaker 2: Has she got something to do with it? And where
Speaker 2: is she sort of going to head in in regards
Speaker 2: to the whole series. So they're setting it up like that.
Speaker 2: But it's always it's always some other character. I think
Speaker 2: that's the formula for these who done it. It's always
Speaker 2: like some side character that you didn't really look at
Speaker 2: too much at the start, and you followed all these
Speaker 2: other trails and then it ends up being I don't know,
Speaker 2: one of the kids or something.
Speaker 1: Well, is that your guest, like as in I feel
Speaker 1: like I want you to reveal remember includo when you're
Speaker 1: a kid used to play and you have to try
Speaker 1: and give a hard guest workout.
Speaker 2: Ben Norris in the drawing room with the Knights. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Always, always.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to say it's one of the kids.
Speaker 2: And I've only watched one and a half episode, so
Speaker 2: that's going to be my little tip.
Speaker 1: Well, that answers my question. Are you going to keep watching?
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely, No, I will definitely keep watching. And I
Speaker 2: think another one sort of I mean it's setting Palm
Speaker 2: Beach as well, so just visually appealing and just something
Speaker 2: that yeah, I just think is a nice watch. It's
Speaker 2: not I haven't it hard to watch?
Speaker 1: Well, we've got the sign off because mister McLean as
Speaker 1: in your dad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my dad, Yeah, he watched the whole thing. We're
Speaker 2: leaving with my parents the moment that's really a separate
Speaker 2: podcast and dad smash It, Dad slash It in a weekend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he watched all seven episodes in one go. We're
Speaker 1: moving on to which I think is actually my favorite
Speaker 1: show at the moment, which is high Country, which is
Speaker 1: out on Binge Foxtail if you do not have Binge
Speaker 1: and Foxtail. We're not sponsored by them, by the way,
Speaker 1: but they've got a lot of good content, so amazing.
Speaker 1: But anyway, look, a detective has transferred has been transferred
Speaker 1: to a Victorian high country. She's there to investigate a
Speaker 1: missing person. She uncovers a complex web of murder, deceit
Speaker 1: and revenge. I think it's the answer to Mayor of
Speaker 1: east I think it's Australia's answer to Meryor of Eastown.
Speaker 1: You watched the first episode last night. Are you engaged?
Speaker 2: I am that. I had to push myself a little bit,
Speaker 2: and I don't know whether that is because I had
Speaker 2: come from watching Palm Royale and then it was such
Speaker 2: a shift of gears. So I will say it didn't
Speaker 2: haptivate me like Apple's and Palm Royal. However, I will
Speaker 2: watch it again with a bit more I will go
Speaker 2: into it watching it first, this time with a bit
Speaker 2: more of a clear sort of space around it and
Speaker 2: take it for what it is. I think, yeah, you
Speaker 2: sort of turn on. I'm like, oh, it's an ozzy
Speaker 2: cop drama, middle aged sort of cop drama, and I
Speaker 2: just wasn't instantly loving it. But I will say I
Speaker 2: like what they've done with the casting. I think they're
Speaker 2: tapping into a lot of different areas of what happens
Speaker 2: in the community and those sort of dynamics. I think
Speaker 2: they've got a lot to work with their as a canvas.
Speaker 2: But I do think it was one of those ones
Speaker 2: where it's sort of, yes, things were happening in that
Speaker 2: first episode that were quite dramatic, But overall, I found
Speaker 2: that one was a little bit more of a slower burn,
Speaker 2: which isn't a bad thing. I think I was just
Speaker 2: a little bit spoilt for choice on the other ones,
Speaker 2: where everything was just given to me and it was
Speaker 2: very easy to follow on the first episodes, this one
Speaker 2: was a little bit more. You had to dive a
Speaker 2: bit deeper.
Speaker 1: Well, all these shows that we're talking about are a
Speaker 1: take on a murder mystery, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: They're all that's true. We didn't really mean to do that,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: We definitely did not mean to do that. But I
Speaker 1: mean it is really popular, and I think that has
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the world's obsession with true
Speaker 1: crime at the moment. I feel like we all love
Speaker 1: to put on our little PI investigator hat and watch
Speaker 1: these shows. I think that's why we're getting so many
Speaker 1: of them. But it's interesting. This is like a back
Speaker 1: to basic, strict murder mystery like you would see maybe
Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties. Like it's a bit Agatha
Speaker 1: Christie in a way where like Palm Royle and Apple's
Speaker 1: Never Fall are jazzed up a little bit, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, this is this is gritty. I mean, look
Speaker 2: visually that Victorian high country, the hills, the fog, the
Speaker 2: density of it, the mountain, like, it's pretty extraordinary to watch,
Speaker 2: and it does. It's sort of if you look at
Speaker 2: the visual sort of scenes, it does sort of ply
Speaker 2: on that dynamic of exactly what's going to happen in
Speaker 2: the show. It's going to be you're going to have
Speaker 2: to work your way through the trees. There's going to
Speaker 2: be a lot of mountainous territory, and I think that's
Speaker 2: very symbolic. But I think it has legs. But we
Speaker 2: have seen a lot of these Ossie sort of crime
Speaker 2: dramas and I think the US do them so well.
Speaker 2: So it's got a lot to kind of stack up to.
Speaker 1: Well, it's created by so many people that made the
Speaker 1: series Wentworth, which was also on foxtoel Masia Gardner. She
Speaker 1: is the executive producer I think on this, and she
Speaker 1: was instrumental with all of Wentworth and I loved Wentworth
Speaker 1: and I feel like this it fits very nicely into
Speaker 1: the handbag of that series. So like I feel like,
Speaker 1: if you've watched Wentworth and loved it, you'll love this.
Speaker 1: It's very similar in the way in which they set
Speaker 1: up the characters, and it is shot. I think it's
Speaker 1: directed by the same director that directed a lot of Wentworth.
Speaker 1: I don't know. For me, this is like a nice
Speaker 1: companion piece to that.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's fair, and I think, look, it's interesting when
Speaker 2: I mean we're just talking about these other shows that
Speaker 2: have such well known people as the lead characters, and
Speaker 2: then suddenly you put a show on like this and
Speaker 2: there are a lot of unknown faces and you don't
Speaker 2: sort of have that instant relationship with someone that you've
Speaker 2: seen on other things, like I don't know who this
Speaker 2: actress is the main.
Speaker 1: Lead carriage, You don't know who Liah Pizell is, like, so.
Speaker 2: You know, I haven't watched her in anything. I don't think,
Speaker 2: oh my, have I what she been in?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean she was in the last like four
Speaker 1: seasons of Wentworth, but I know that you didn't watch web.
Speaker 2: I don't see that ere I.
Speaker 1: Wonder whether or not this show is going to do
Speaker 1: that well because Leah is not a bigger name, she's
Speaker 1: not a recognizable name. I almost wonder whether or not
Speaker 1: this show would feel and look a little bit different
Speaker 1: if we had a bigger star in this role.
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned there of Easttown, and that's a perfect
Speaker 2: example of it. So you had that sort of small
Speaker 2: town community crime drama. But you've got Kate Winslet at
Speaker 2: the helm, So I think instantly, I don't know, just you,
Speaker 2: you sort of go, oh, well, Kate's in it, it must
Speaker 2: be really good. Whereas this one, I think it can
Speaker 2: be good. I'm still going to watch it, but I
Speaker 2: could have easily flicked past it as I was scrolling,
Speaker 2: unless you had told me we're going to talk about this.
Speaker 1: It doesn't even look it doesn't even look like.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like anything on the.
Speaker 1: Poster or it's a really big gut, which I think,
Speaker 1: could you imagine if this series had Naomi Watts back
Speaker 1: with her Australian accent being this detective, what this show
Speaker 1: would be because the writing and everything is so amazing
Speaker 1: and I'm obsessed with Thereseel so like for me, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: But could you imagine what the series would be doing
Speaker 1: if you had a Naomi Watson that role.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. And look, I think Leah is
Speaker 2: brilliant from what I've seen on this phenomenal but it's
Speaker 2: just it is. I guess it's just we do get
Speaker 2: a little bit used to and I guess it's like
Speaker 2: Jodie Foster in the latest series of True Detective, but
Speaker 2: we need to give all these other actors a shot
Speaker 2: for them to get to that level. So it's like
Speaker 2: the Catch twenty two. And would it be the same
Speaker 2: level of vulnerability, grittiness, realness if you had someone like
Speaker 2: Naomi in the role. Maybe not, So I think.
Speaker 1: It would work with her because I think what worked
Speaker 1: with Mayor of Eastown with Kate was the subtlety of
Speaker 1: that performance but still having that star power, still having
Speaker 1: that you know that when you're at that level, all
Speaker 1: of the nuances are so digestible. Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean like you're just hanging off every single thing
Speaker 1: that they're saying. I just wonder whether or not this
Speaker 1: show would work a little bit better if it had that.
Speaker 2: I may, I get what you're saying. I think definitely
Speaker 2: from just a promotional point of view, I think you'd
Speaker 2: have more eyes on it, no question. But I really
Speaker 2: hope that the show gets up.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure.
Speaker 2: I hope at the moment it's one of the top
Speaker 2: ones because it's just been launched this week as you're scrolling.
Speaker 2: But I think it's very easy. If people don't start engaging,
Speaker 2: it just drops further down the list and then it
Speaker 2: might get missed. But well, there's so much an interesting
Speaker 2: story and a little bit more of a gritty take
Speaker 2: on what we would see as a sort of regional
Speaker 2: rural community crime series.
Speaker 1: Have you got a guess on who you think the
Speaker 1: killer might be? Because I mean we've only you and
Speaker 1: I have both only seen episode one, so we've really
Speaker 1: just had some characters set up. I'm going to go
Speaker 1: with the coffee shop lady revenging her son, That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: No, I don't think I have a guess yet. The
Speaker 2: guy that is, you know, the sort of quiet, kooky
Speaker 2: psyekick that they're sort of trying to pin it on,
Speaker 2: that X CoP's trying to pin the murders on. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's him, but I think he will play
Speaker 2: a very interesting character.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the police officer that's retiring, Maybe it's the
Speaker 1: sheriff or whatever his name, because like he's finished his
Speaker 1: career and he's just really stressed about what's next, so
Speaker 1: that he starts just murdering people in the town.
Speaker 2: Oh charming, and what a great thought about our law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Well are you going to keep watching? That's all we
Speaker 1: need to know is Alana McLean.
Speaker 2: I will watch her, but after episode one it was
Speaker 2: my least favorite. However, completely to my own admission, I
Speaker 2: probably wasn't as engagement because I was watching it a
Speaker 2: little bit later. So I will. I think this is
Speaker 2: one that you know, we talk about this a bit
Speaker 2: in regards to whether you watch something all in one
Speaker 2: go or whether you can watch it week by week.
Speaker 2: I think this is one that you will get more
Speaker 2: out of if you set aside a few hours on
Speaker 2: a Sunday afternoon with your popcorn and watch a feel
Speaker 2: in a row.
Speaker 1: We need to quickly talk about the big shift that's
Speaker 1: about to happen on freeware television. So we're about to
Speaker 1: lose Meredith First Site, Idol and Survivor. I know that
Speaker 1: you don't watch a lot of Free to Wear, so
Speaker 1: this is a really interesting question for you about those changes.
Speaker 1: So Meredith First Site is now going to be Food
Speaker 1: Stars with Gordon Ramsey, and do you know much about
Speaker 1: that series?
Speaker 2: No, tell me about that because I feel like if
Speaker 2: that is a new one, I kind of like watching those.
Speaker 2: I kind of enjoy watching something we haven't seen before
Speaker 2: in regards to that, So tell me more about that one.
Speaker 1: It's more like Shark Tank, but for food. So that's
Speaker 1: the way they're Oh okay, and then it has what's
Speaker 1: her name of Ellis.
Speaker 2: Yes, she's a part of Shark Tank.
Speaker 1: Too, so that's where they're going with this. Seems like
Speaker 1: a really odd choice to me for channel Line to
Speaker 1: progress from maths into this kind of foody Shark Tank
Speaker 1: world in a reality space. And Gordon Ramsey, to me,
Speaker 1: he's not a drawer card. I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: this could be a this could be a turkey for
Speaker 1: channel Line.
Speaker 2: I like Shark Tank because of the business sort of
Speaker 2: side of it. I'm the marketing and I sort of
Speaker 2: do a lot of that in my sort of nine
Speaker 2: to five job, so I do get something out of that,
Speaker 2: I think. I mean, look, whether you like him or hating,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what Gordon Ramsey the brand and how he's
Speaker 2: designed himself to be. So the people that might tune
Speaker 2: in might really like him. The appeal is waiting for
Speaker 2: him to crack and say yeah, I do shit, get
Speaker 2: out like people like that kind of shock value.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I need that in my life.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want that right now.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, like at you, but I
Speaker 2: mean people love food. People are obsessed with it, all
Speaker 2: those Master Chef and bake Off and all those shows.
Speaker 2: People do love it. We'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1: Then you've got Austraian Idol, which is on Channel seven
Speaker 1: is going to become Farmer Wants a Wife and Farmer
Speaker 1: Wants a Wife. I have to tell you is a
Speaker 1: bit of a guilty pleasure. I've been watching it for
Speaker 1: years with my best friend Carrie. We love to watch
Speaker 1: this show and just yell at the TV screen about
Speaker 1: all of the dumb decisions that these women make when
Speaker 1: it comes to falling in love with a farmer, as
Speaker 1: if they all want to move to the country. I
Speaker 1: guess some people might. But this season different to last year.
Speaker 1: I think, being what I've been told from Channel seven
Speaker 1: is it's quite complicated because everyone last year ended up
Speaker 1: with their farmer, was a love story that it ended well.
Speaker 1: This year, I think it's going to be a little
Speaker 1: bit massy, you know, which is fine. A question for
Speaker 1: you with this Sam Armitage, what do you think about her?
Speaker 2: This year?
Speaker 1: Draw card for you? Are you're going to watch Farmer
Speaker 1: for her?
Speaker 2: Someone told me I look like her the other day.
Speaker 1: Were they drunk?
Speaker 2: No, I quite like Sam.
Speaker 1: Actually, I can see it now, I can see the bit.
Speaker 1: I'm now looking over it because you're on this big
Speaker 1: monitor over there.
Speaker 2: Yes, what how big?
Speaker 1: It's huge. I'll take a photo and set it to you.
Speaker 1: Be mortified.
Speaker 2: I want to put some makeup on. You told me
Speaker 2: you never used the video.
Speaker 1: I'm never using. It's for communication purposes only. But you're
Speaker 1: up on the screen over there, and you look you
Speaker 1: actually just as per usual, just look perfection.
Speaker 2: Holy moly, No, look, I think Farmer wants a wife.
Speaker 2: I don't even think they originally set out for it
Speaker 2: to be, you know, the true love angle that they've
Speaker 2: pushed so hard, but I think they've managed to really
Speaker 2: have that juxtaposition against mass and so the people that
Speaker 2: want to watch that just want it to be chilled viewing.
Speaker 2: They do want to watch a real story. They do
Speaker 2: want to know that people do stay together and have
Speaker 2: kids and move to the farm, and they just want
Speaker 2: that type of viewing. So I think they found their
Speaker 2: lane with that. I hope they don't go too dramatic
Speaker 2: and too massy. Otherwise I think they're really at risk
Speaker 2: of alienating their core fan base and I don't think
Speaker 2: that will work well for them, So I think they've
Speaker 2: got to be really careful with that.
Speaker 1: I always call Farmer Wants a Wife like the Math's antidote,
Speaker 1: like as in, you know, after a season of Merit
Speaker 1: at First Sight, it's kind of the series of Finding
Speaker 1: love that is the opposite of Merit at First Sight,
Speaker 1: And it would be really tempting for these producers to
Speaker 1: want to tap into the Meretit first Sight elements because
Speaker 1: of the success of that show, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think I really think if you start
Speaker 2: pulling it that thread. Everyone that watch to everyone that
Speaker 2: watches Math is watching because they like the drama. Everyone
Speaker 2: that's watching Farma wants a wife does not want that.
Speaker 2: So if you start putting that into that show, I
Speaker 2: think that's a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. So Channel ten a strand survivor
Speaker 1: will now be I'm a Celebrity. Everyone turns up to
Speaker 1: watch I'm a Celebrity for the first episode to find
Speaker 1: out who the celebs are. I know you watched this show.
Speaker 1: You tap into this show.
Speaker 2: I don't mind this one.
Speaker 1: Do you have any guesses on the celebs so far?
Speaker 2: Well, I saw Britney Hockley's already been announced.
Speaker 1: She is she a celebrity? Well?
Speaker 2: She, I mean she looks In Australia, we're a little
Speaker 2: bit devoid of those big celebs, but I think she does.
Speaker 2: She's very successful. She's got her very successful podcast, she
Speaker 2: does radio, and we've seen her in The Bachelor, which
Speaker 2: was obviously a reality franchise back in the day. So
Speaker 2: she's managed to really cultivated career outside of that. So
Speaker 2: I think she's quite a likable personality and I think
Speaker 2: she'll be a good addition. I haven't really put my
Speaker 2: detective cap on.
Speaker 1: Which is very unlike you normally you're like the.
Speaker 2: Other clues, Give me one of the other clues, and
Speaker 2: I'll I can just put a couple of names out there.
Speaker 1: Someone who was on Big someone who was on Big Brother. Hi,
Speaker 1: you live from the Jungle. Yeah, No, someone who's a
Speaker 1: mega influencer now, someone who turned their reality TV fame
Speaker 1: into influencing Blonde from the Gold Coast, fake boobs, really stupid?
Speaker 2: Just Capella? Oh no, she was on Mass It.
Speaker 1: Was Mass Sky Wheatley.
Speaker 2: Oh okay. I mean this is a thing though. I
Speaker 2: think sometimes they put people in there and you're like who,
Speaker 2: But it's more about then you learn. You actually learn
Speaker 2: more about them when they're in there, so they sort
Speaker 2: of have the names that you recognize. Then they have
Speaker 2: the fillers that you like who. But quite often they're
Speaker 2: the people that deliver the most nuggets, potentially because they've
Speaker 2: got less to lose.
Speaker 1: The other one that I'm gonna I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say this person's name because it'll give it away, but
Speaker 1: someone I know quite well that's an unusual character in
Speaker 1: my backstory, is going into the jungle. Do you have
Speaker 1: a guess on who that might be. Ronda Berchellt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she was my babysitter. No, I'm only kidding.
Speaker 2: No, I quite like I'm a celeb. Get me out
Speaker 2: of here. Look, even if you're not avidly watching, I'm
Speaker 2: very interested to see Robert Irwin as a host. I
Speaker 2: will say that I think that's kind of a really
Speaker 2: unique pairing having here with Julia Morris. And look, hats
Speaker 2: off to the network for saying, no, we're keeping Julia.
Speaker 2: We're going to put her with this, you know, younger
Speaker 2: fresher host who's like been Australia's son in a way,
Speaker 2: and we're just going to see how it goes. Because
Speaker 2: they could have easily got rid of Julia and put someone,
Speaker 2: you know with Robert Irwin who was younger as well,
Speaker 2: and maybe fresher and all of that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: But I think I think it'll work really well. I
Speaker 2: think it'll be surprising and that'll add another layer to it.
Speaker 2: But I think this is one where you can just
Speaker 2: follow along on the social media, watch all the clips
Speaker 2: and get the get the sort of goth and watching
Speaker 2: it moment to deliver it on socials without having to
Speaker 2: necessarily watch it every single night.
Speaker 1: That's you on LL shows these days. Actually that's the
Speaker 1: next generation. Like everyone's like, did you watch the next
Speaker 1: season of the last year's season of I'm a Celebrity?
Speaker 1: Get Me out of Here? And people go, yes, but
Speaker 1: they only watched it on TikTok, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like they it's an interesting world that we've found ourselves
Speaker 1: in the way that I'll finish this chat with, I'm aslab.
Speaker 1: Does this show rely on the celebs needing to be famous?
Speaker 1: Do you think that the audience that want to watch
Speaker 1: this and love this show care about the level of
Speaker 1: fame of these celabs. I think they do in a sense.
Speaker 2: I think if you started off with all nobodies and
Speaker 2: it was just it was almost like a big brother
Speaker 2: of just random Australian people. But in a jungle setting,
Speaker 2: you want to see the layers come off, you want
Speaker 2: to see the makeup come off. You want to see
Speaker 2: them without their caffeine. You're waiting for a Naki moment.
Speaker 2: You want the lacious stories from their career and back
Speaker 2: in the day. You are tuning in for a lot
Speaker 2: of that. I think it works when you've got the
Speaker 2: pairing of the less famous celebrities who are giving you
Speaker 2: a bit more goths, I guess in regards to their
Speaker 2: own background and career because they don't have as many
Speaker 2: things to be hiding.
Speaker 1: Well. Their jobs to ask the more famous people questions
Speaker 1: about that care, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 1: if you're if you're a Sky Wheatley and you've been
Speaker 1: on one series of Big Brother and had your boobs
Speaker 1: out on Instagram for ten years, I think your job
Speaker 1: is to then ask the more recognizable people, you know,
Speaker 1: who is the worst, who is your worst co star?
Speaker 1: You know what happened with the divorce? And then also
Speaker 1: we care about these celebrities talking about hot topics, like
Speaker 1: I want them to talk about what they thinks happened
Speaker 1: with Kate Middleton, you know what I mean? Like you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, yeah, Like get them to talk about the
Speaker 1: hot topics, because we do care about what those uber
Speaker 1: famous people or more famous wreck or recognizable people have
Speaker 1: to say about some of those things.
Speaker 2: I agree, and that that is where the appeal is
Speaker 2: and I think that's where the show has that longevity
Speaker 2: on social media and in the mainstream press because of
Speaker 2: those are the stories that get that get picked up
Speaker 2: blah blah said these about Trump, you know, like that's
Speaker 2: what's going to get about.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what it is. Alana. I just want to say,
Speaker 1: I am obsessed with you. I am so excited every
Speaker 1: single time to talk to you. I actually feel and
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say this, I feel like the
Speaker 1: most myself and the most relaxed when I'm talking to you.
Speaker 1: And so the idea that we have a podcast where
Speaker 1: we get to just have a diatribe like this is
Speaker 1: my heaven and I'm obsessed with you.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I just love doing this so much.
Speaker 2: And I'm really really glad that people are tuning in
Speaker 2: and want to be part of the conversation. And I
Speaker 2: hope that we can grow that and I hope that
Speaker 2: we can get some engagement happening online and the conversation
Speaker 2: going two ways. And if you've got a recommendation of
Speaker 2: something that we should watch and maybe we can cover
Speaker 2: for the next episode, or you want to give your thoughts,
Speaker 2: you know, it would be great to have that sort
Speaker 2: of conversation going with the listeners as well. But I
Speaker 2: really love coming on here and there's so much media
Speaker 2: and so much out there and be able to do
Speaker 2: a little deep dive on a few of those. It's
Speaker 2: really fabulous. I love it.
Speaker 1: This is a message Hi Ben, thanks for your chat
Speaker 1: with Anaconda amazing. This is Luke's by the way. I
Speaker 1: hope he doesn't mind that I'm shouting out to him.
Speaker 1: That was a really good chat just binge population eleven,
Speaker 1: which was another chat I did last week for people listening.
Speaker 1: Go back and listen to that chat. That was amazing.
Speaker 1: But then he says, are you going to be doing
Speaker 1: more episodes of What to Watch with Alana McLean? When
Speaker 1: is it coming out? Ah?
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Well here's one signe feal delive, enjoy, happy listening,
Speaker 2: and can't wait to do it all again.