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Speaker 2: Good morning and welcome to the Daily os. It is Friday,

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Speaker 2: the twenty third of December, Zara, our last episode of

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Speaker 3: It's a wonderful full circle. But I'm excited to wrap

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Speaker 2: asked our podcast producer Nina to put together a spinning

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Speaker 3: our podcast producer, Nina, So thank you to Nina for

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Speaker 3: you to all of you.

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Speaker 2: And while that's the end of our regular podcast for

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and we'll be back in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: three to do it all again every single weekday of

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Speaker 2: the year. I promise we do have some special summer

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Speaker 2: to make sure that there's daily OS in your ears.

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Speaker 2: Especially I'm envisioning it when you're in the car on

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Speaker 2: a road trip, paps on the way to a music

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Speaker 2: festival or a family holiday. Hope you have a safe

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Speaker 2: and relaxing summer and enjoy the TDA Summer series.

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Speaker 3: That's Putty Dom.

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Speaker 2: Whoop woo woo, whoo, whoo whoo.

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Speaker 3: Ki