1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Joining me on the line right now is the Independent 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: Member for goid O, Kezia Puric. Good morning, Kezier. 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 2: Oh, good morning, Katie, good morning. 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: First off, what did you make of the Chief Minister's 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: well of her speech yesterday to the National Press Club. 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: It was the first that she's done to the National 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: Press Club. Some people saying, you know, good honor, she 8 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: got out there and she backed industry. Others not happy 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: that she's backing the gas industry. What did you make 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: of it all? 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: Well, Katie, of course those opposed to the industry are 12 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 2: going to say it was a bad speech, you know, 13 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: because the opponents to the Beetloo basin activities and on 14 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 2: shall patrolum activities are always going to be opposing it 15 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: and you won't get them to change their mind. And 16 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 2: that's fine, that's their position. But it doesn't mean people 17 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: with an opposing position are wrong. It just means it's different. 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: So what the Chief Minister was expressing was what her 19 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: government now thankfully believes, and that is that this development 20 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 2: should and can proceed in a safe manner with we're 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: stall being sort of mitigated or managed. Name calling, well, 22 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: you know, that's that's a bit petty but you know, 23 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 2: calling out people from down south, I think is very 24 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: relevant for us up here, because so often we get 25 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: these do goods from those Eastern Seaboard or Southern states, 26 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: you know, espousing their views of how we should live 27 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 2: our lives in regards to various activities, whatever it may be, 28 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: whether it be you know, the petroleome isstry. I remember, Katie, 29 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 2: not so long ago when Jabeluca was a thing on 30 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: the board and all these do goody, greedy, lefty UNI 31 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 2: students were busted up here to be protesters. Now that 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: was a fact. 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: You know. 34 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: They said, come come north for holiday. It's beautiful weather, 35 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: it's winter down there, so they all packed on the 36 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: bus and came up here. You know, they have no 37 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 2: real interest in what goes on in the Northern Territory. 38 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: And you know, I support the Chief Ministry and calling 39 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: out people who really don't have a genuine interest in 40 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: the territory and just want to sort of, you know, 41 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: expouse their views and force an opinion upon, you know, 42 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: those around them about how they think we should run 43 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: our business up here. 44 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 1: What's been interesting keys here is that they're there's been 45 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: some support obviously, like if you go across all the 46 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: different media platforms. There has been some support for her comments. 47 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: There's obviously been you know, environmentalists and landowners who haven't 48 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: been happy with what she said, particularly around thort the 49 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: fracking side of things, But that aside, there's been a 50 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: lot of other territory and stepping up and going well, 51 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: hang on a second, we've got lots of issues in 52 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: our backyard that we've got to try and fix as well. 53 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: I e. Crime and look, I think you can walk 54 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: and two gum at the same time, and I think 55 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: she's got to do that. But this. 56 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: Cadgether thing too is the territory is more than just 57 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: the oil and gas industry. You know, we have industries 58 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 2: across the board that are successful, that are developing, that 59 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: are growing, that are producing great economic and social benefits. 60 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: You know, the parcel industry, you know, the agricultural the 61 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: whrdal industry. You know, we used to have a fairly 62 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: good cut flower industry, with not so much anymore. You know, 63 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: we've got a small bee industry. You know, we could 64 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: have a bigger bee industry because so much demand for 65 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: bees to pollinate certain crops like melons, you know, and 66 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: we've got you know, things happening with building the ships 67 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: and the defense build up, et cetera, et cetera. You know, 68 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: I'd like to see more of a banking and an 69 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 2: IT industry being developed in Darla. So it's more than 70 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: just bracking. And that's that's what I get too tired 71 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: of with these people down south and others, is they 72 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: just focus on that and not all the other parts 73 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: of our economy and our community. 74 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: Tezier, do you think we're going to reach that forty 75 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: billion dollar economy by twenty thirty? 76 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 2: No, I don't lie some of them well, because we 77 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: just will show me where it's going to come from. 78 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: You know, That's the Thingkseie. It's good to have all 79 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: these projects that you know have been sort of earmarked 80 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: or been talked about. But the bigger the size of 81 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: the project, the greater the risk. We've already seen issues 82 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: in regards to the offscreen management of you know, the 83 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: s cable. We've seen issues in regards to you know, 84 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 2: prawn farms and all that sort of stuff, and we'll 85 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: have issues in the future. And these are corporate issues. 86 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: It's not necessarily to do with the territory per se. 87 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: The only thing the government can make that happen, is 88 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: is they sort out the bloody red tape, green tape, 89 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 2: black tape and even base tape that we have within government. 90 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: There is so much styming going on when it comes 91 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: to business and industry trying to get ahead in a 92 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: legitimate way, and that might be the only way. And 93 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: what makes me sort of smile a little bit in 94 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: a right way is that the government's finally realize that 95 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: they're getting to the edge of the royalty pip, that 96 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 2: there aren't any large major minds coming up behind to 97 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 2: replace the ones we're losing. Well, hello, Minister Madison and 98 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: everyone else. I've been saying that for about the last 99 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 2: ten years. You need major world class mining projects now 100 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: or being planned now. Call Lithiam It's great, good project, 101 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: good mind, good company, put along for ten fifteen years, 102 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: hopefully a lot more. We need a mining project that 103 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: gives us twenty plus years, and that's what the Beaterlo 104 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: kind of project's going to do for the Northern Church. 105 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: But we still also want hard rock mining, you know 106 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: the books, like manganese, gold, etc. This government is just 107 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: a little bit late to the party sometimes, So if 108 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 2: they want to get to that forty billion dollar target. 109 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: They're going to have to somehow expedite expiration in the 110 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: turtrick to get some new minds opening up. Well, KESI 111 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 2: place the ones we're going to lose. Yeah, for example 112 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: at about five to ten years nothing. You know that. 113 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: You're cutting out there a little bit keasier, you're cutting 114 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: out for some reason. 115 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 2: That better. 116 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: That's better, Kezia. The other thing that I am keen 117 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: to ask you about this morning, and it's something we've 118 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: been speaking about over recent days and we spoke to 119 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: you about it last Thursday. Now the petition Justice for 120 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: declan lavity. We now know obviously the Public Accounts Committee 121 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: have said yes they do think it needs to go 122 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: back to the Parliament for debate. But people were absolutely 123 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 1: angered to learn on Monday that it's only for sixteen minutes. 124 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 1: You had said that regardless. Okay, so that's that's the rules, 125 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: you'd said on Monday. 126 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: Government hasn't done that. 127 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: No, Well you'd said on Monday though that in other 128 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: states it's longer. Yeah, so talk me through that. 129 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: Well, that's just what they're standing orders. The debating of 130 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 2: the petition was introduced I think in the last term 131 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: when I was speaking. It was just part of the 132 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: review of the Standing Orders. How can we do things better, 133 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: how can do things differently, you know, to help people 134 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: who do put petitions into the Parliament. I mean previously, 135 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: the petition would go in, the member would read it, 136 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: sit down, the government would then respond to it. That's 137 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: it pretty much. So the Standing Orders Committee decided that 138 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: time to revise how petitions are handled and that's when 139 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 2: the new rules came in to refer it off to 140 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 2: a committee to review it to see if it should 141 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: be debated a little bit. And I can't recall why 142 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 2: the sixteen minutes was arrived upon, but other states have 143 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: different times. As I said to you, in New South Wales, 144 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure has bettered out to debate a petition. 145 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 2: How it gets to that debate, I'm not sure. So 146 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: that could be something that the Standing Order's Committee reviews. Again, Keimty, 147 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: we want to have the time increased. 148 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: There is the opportunity here though, And you again you 149 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: touched on this on Thursday last week where you had 150 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: said that you'd make the moves required if needed, to 151 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: bring it forward as a matter of public importance. How 152 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: would that work? 153 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 2: Well, it's one of the few opportunities available to the 154 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: cross benches and backbenches of by the side to bring 155 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: forward to the Parliament for discussion. It's not really a debate, 156 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: it's a discussion a matter of public importance. And what 157 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: happens is it's around about five o'clock on a Tuesday 158 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: or a Thursday where the member sends a letter to 159 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: the Speaker early one day before eight o'clock saying they 160 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: wish to bring to the detention of the House this 161 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: matter of public importance. They list it very briefly. It 162 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,559 Speaker 2: then goes on to basically the agenda and it comes 163 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: forward sort of at the end, towards the end of 164 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 2: the day, and it's a two hour global time for talking. 165 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: So I would get up and speak first about this 166 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,679 Speaker 2: matter of public importance, which is obviously about the petition 167 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: and the lack of the bail laws. The whole is 168 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 2: to do with bail and bail laws and also crime, 169 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 2: clearly because you've got good bail laws or not good 170 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 2: bail laws, because you've got crime. So and then opposition 171 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: can speak, any member can speak, and at the end 172 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: of the two hours people then that's a debate just 173 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: concludes it can't be shut down. The government can't shut 174 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: down this debate, and they'd be pretty stupid if they did. 175 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: But they cannot shut it down. 176 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: It's so easier. What needs to happen now for that 177 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: to move forward? And are you going to make those moves? 178 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I have committed to it too, because clearly 179 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: they're not. There's no traction anywhere else. There's few opportunities 180 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: for people like myself as an independent to get a 181 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: serious matter before the Parliament. I could talk in the 182 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: German at the very end of the day, but that's 183 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 2: only for ten minutes. But this way it's sort of 184 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: a two hour global so it brings everyone's used to 185 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: the table, Opposition, other independents for example, and government hopefully 186 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: to discuss it. So the interesting test will be, Katie, 187 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: how many of the government members wish to speak made 188 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 2: of public importance so it can be tagged towards the 189 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: end of the day, you know, it's usually around about 190 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: five six o'clock of us foward and that's how we 191 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: go forward. We're not requesting the government to do anything. 192 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: We're bringing it to the attention of the Parliament that 193 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: this matter is very important to everyone in the Parliament 194 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: and our community. 195 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: And so will that happen the next time Parliament sits 196 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: Kezier or how long do you anticipate it could take? 197 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: No, no, no, it can happen next sitting. We're seeing 198 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: at the end of August. So I'm not sure at 199 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 2: this stage whether I'd do it on the Tuesday or 200 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 2: the Thursday, but it'll be been that first week of 201 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: sitting in August, because I think this has been going 202 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 2: on too long, Katie. It has to has to come 203 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: out into the open moor and the government really has 204 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 2: to address the issue of not only the level and 205 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: enormous level of crime we've got, but the nature of 206 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: our crime. You know, it is just so destroying and 207 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: so damaging to human people and our society, and not 208 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: only loss of property and economic loss. You know that 209 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: we can get over economic loss, but people can't get 210 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: over you know, personal damage and assaults, you know, like 211 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: the jockey lady. You know, it's just horrendous, you know, 212 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: and coupled with the crime level, that then lends us 213 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 2: to obviously policing issues, it lends to villains issues and 214 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 2: response times, you know, so everyone's under the pump, you know, 215 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: the emergency services responding to so much crime that some 216 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: people are left wanting and that's the tragedy that it's doing, 217 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: and that's what government's missing. 218 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: Well, Kesiopuric, we always appreciate your time. Thank you very 219 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: much for having a chat with us this morning. We'll 220 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: talk to you and so will we see you Friday 221 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: for the week that was. 222 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure, Katie. 223 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: Hopefully good stuff. Thanks easier by now