1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Two Good Sports would like to acknowledge the traditional owners 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: of the land on which we record this podcast that 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: will run dury people. This land was never seated, always was, 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: always will be. Hello and welcome to two Good Sports 5 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: sports news told differently. 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 2: I'm Georgie Tunney. 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 3: And I'm Abbie Jelmy and George. Usually we say we're 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 3: going into a deep dive and the nitty gritty for 9 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 3: our big topic. But this week deep dives a bit 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 3: of a pun. Intended is we're exploring swimming Australia and 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 3: just what is going on? And if you haven't heard 12 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: this story, we don't blame you because it seems to 13 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: just not be in the headlines. For how huge the 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 3: angle is. 15 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 2: It's really hard to find. 16 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,599 Speaker 1: So grab your goggles, grab your swimming cat because there 17 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: are murky waters happening at one of our most prestigious teams, 18 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: the Dolphins. 19 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 2: What is going on with them? 20 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: And why is our governing body, Swimming Australia potentially going 21 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: to be expelled from World Aquatics? 22 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: Big question? Huge question. Let's get to the headlines right, Oh, 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: I'll start NRL and by that I mean Georgie. You 24 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 3: start NRL. 25 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: Headline number one and dear listener, Yes, I've brought a 26 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: prop with me today. I'm putting it over my headphones 27 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: if I can. It's going to look great. 28 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 3: Let me paint a picture for you. There is a 29 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: Broncos beany a top Georgie's head. You look smashing. 30 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: Let me tell you the NRL top eight has been decided. 31 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: And tell me the Brisbane Broncos. 32 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: We're bringing it home. 33 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: We have finished number two, so we may not have 34 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: won the minor premiership. That's a small detail. The Penrith 35 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: Panthers finish in number one, then it is the Brisbane 36 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: Broncos in at number two, Melbourne Storm, the Warriors, the Knights, Sharks, Roosters, 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: Raiders round out the top eight. But the overall takeaway 38 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: is that the Broncos are going to win. 39 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 3: Isn't the overall takeaway that the Panthers are likely to 40 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: continue the dynasty by winning a third straight and they 41 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: have so much young depths that there's no sign of 42 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 3: that stopping. 43 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an alternate reading, isn't it. That's an 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: alternate reading. But no, no, I think it's I think 45 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 1: it is with the Britain Broncos and Rees Walsh leading 46 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 1: us to a premiership after oh decades. 47 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: Never let it be told that impartiality gets in the 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 3: way of the news. Here at two Good Sports, we 49 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 3: just keep our cards close to our chest. But George, 50 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 3: I'm gonna make it that you have to keep wearing 51 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 3: that Beaniae during headlines until they win a premiership. 52 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine, it'll be very short. That's fine for me. 53 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: Only a few weeks away. 54 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 3: Okay, headline number two. The AFLW season has begun and 55 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: this is a massive story and it's a feel good 56 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 3: story because the Swans have finally had their first win 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 3: in the league. They were one of the expansion clubs 58 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 3: and in their inaugural twenty twenty two season, my god, 59 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 3: did they get spanked. 60 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: They's got absolutely sma if if there was. 61 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: A mercy rule, there would have been some three quarter 62 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: games and that's just what happens when talent gets diluted 63 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: in the pool. But they've recruited the one, the only, 64 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 3: Chloe Molloy, and she kicked the goal that saw them 65 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 3: get back into the lead after being twenty five points 66 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 3: down in the third term. 67 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: Take your cage flow. 68 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 3: Over the side. 69 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 4: Step different colors, same levelous cragical boy. 70 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: You love to see it fifty one until forty nine, 71 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: and it's just good for the league. 72 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: It really is good for the league and across the board. 73 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: The scorelines that we saw in each of the fixtures 74 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: very very very encouraging for the league. This is the 75 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: first season that we're going to have eighteen teams, and 76 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: I think sky's the limit with this because we are 77 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: finally seeing all the teams that you said, Jelmy, that 78 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: may have struggled in the past, they are now going 79 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: to do really, really well. In twenty three headline number three, 80 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: We're taking it across the world. 81 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: We're going international. The US Open. 82 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: Australian Rinky Hijakata lost unfortunately to Francis Diafo in the 83 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: fourth round at the US Open. He's World one hundred 84 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: and ten. He also is just divine. Get on the 85 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: Rinky train. He's so lovely, like you just watch him one. 86 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: His actual play is great. He's kind of like a 87 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: mix between Alex Dumenor and Leyton Hewett in that he 88 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: just will chase anything down. 89 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: He's so energetic. We love and never say die. We 90 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 2: love and never say die. However, there was a death 91 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: in the fourth round. 92 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 3: You mentioned the demon Alex demonor is thirteenth in the. 93 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: World wild Wild. 94 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: I just feel like that snuck up and attached me. 95 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: This morning, he's around the phone. 96 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: I was like, I wonder how the Demon's going. 97 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: Looked it up my thirteenth lucky number thirteen. 98 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 3: Unbelievable, Like good on him? Headline number four? Is it 99 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: headline or something you and I find very funny? Who 100 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: knows both American sprinter norl Ales calls out a bizarre 101 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 3: tradition in the US that has grind our gears for 102 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 3: so long. Listen to this clip. 103 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 2: This was after he won the two hundred meters in Budapest. 104 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: You know, the thing that hurts me the most is 105 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: that I have to watch the NBA finals and they have. 106 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 4: World champion on their head, World champion of what. 107 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: The United States it has always a champion of what. 108 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: It has always been such a huge point of contention 109 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: for me because it's like the NFL when they win, it's. 110 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: Like world champions. I'm like, you are the only ones 111 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: that play this sport. 112 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 3: We agree and things that when American says it about 113 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 3: America even funny. I love it. 114 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: That is some self awareness that sometimes Americans really lack. 115 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 3: Australians love swimming. It's only natural. Our home is girt 116 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: by sea. But the only thing we Ossies love more 117 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: than golden sand is George golden medals. 118 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: That's sweet, sweet gold we do. 119 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: Australia has won one hundred and sixty seven gold, one 120 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 3: hundred and seventy nine silver, and two hundred and fifteen 121 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 3: bronze in our Olympic history. Astonishingly, sixty two of those gold, 122 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 3: seventy silver and sixty eight bronze have come from the pool. 123 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: We're good at it. 124 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: We are, so it's no wonder we love swimming. We 125 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 3: love what we're good at. And when we think of 126 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 3: iconic swimming moments, quickly come visions for me of Thorpey 127 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: in his super suit. Yes, with a slow motion fist pump. 128 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 4: Ye. 129 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 3: It's almost poetic, isn't it? 130 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: It is? 131 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: It is. 132 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: I remember sitting watching the two thousand Olympics as a 133 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: how old were we? 134 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: We would have been like eight, seven or eight or something. 135 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: In nine different ages, but she'll always go with eight. 136 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: And sitting in my lounge room watching you know, the 137 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: Battle of the Pool. There wasn't going to be anything ever, 138 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: bigger than this, and it was Thorpe, Peter Van and 139 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: Hoogenband and a little known swimmer named Michael Phelps and 140 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: Thorpe just out touch Van in hogen Band and I 141 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: remember being like, this is he is a king. 142 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: He is a king, and that's what swimming does. 143 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 3: There's also Hackett, Libby lis L Susie Perkins achieving the 144 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 3: unthinkable from Gould, Dawn clim On the air guitar, sticking 145 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: it to the US as Kate Bronte, the missile charmers, 146 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 3: McEwan and Arnie. And that's just my short list because 147 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: I've missed it, We've discussed it, We've missed a lot there. 148 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: But then there's Emma. 149 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 4: Flight Salt Panilla Blome. She's in front, she's going to 150 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 4: do it, out of the shadows and into the spotlight. 151 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 4: The first Australian to win ten Olympic medals, Emma McKeon 152 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 4: in a lane of her own. 153 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,679 Speaker 3: The term goat is thrown around very loosely in sport, 154 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 3: but she is genuinely our most successful athlete of all time, 155 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 3: with eleven Olympic medals, five gold, two silver, four bronze. 156 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: In Tokyo, she became the first Australian Olympian ever to 157 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 3: win four gold at a single games. How many time 158 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: can one sing the anthem? That's so impressive. She holds 159 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: the Australian record for most medals one at a Games 160 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: with seven. She won seven medals in tokyoiled like. 161 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: Just think about that. 162 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: How do you dream home with that? How do you 163 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: carry that? 164 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: But you dream about winning one medal? 165 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: Just one? 166 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: And she won seven at a single games. 167 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: The best thing is she's not done yet. She's twenty 168 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: nine and has her eyes firmly set on Paris, and 169 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 3: the rest of the team is flying to Our Dolphins 170 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: dominated the World Champs in Fukuoka, winning fifteen gold and 171 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: being the US. That's all we really care about. Let's 172 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 3: be honest, being the US on the medal table, the 173 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 3: headline for the first time in twenty two years. There 174 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: were records tumbling. We have the greatest ever still swimming, 175 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: and a young team full of immense talent. We haven't 176 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: even spoken about Morio kalash She's most excited. I'm obsessed 177 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: with her. So you'd think things could be going swimmingly 178 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: at Swimming Australia. We're eleven months out from the games. 179 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: We're gonna win everything. You'd be great. 180 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, would definitely think that so wrong. 181 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: To say that swimming Australia is in crisis is an understatement, 182 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 3: and yet for some reason it doesn't seem to be 183 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: making the headlines. 184 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: No one is talking about this. 185 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: If you've got now, dear listener, Jellmy loves the prop 186 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: and she has fourteen different newspapers in front of her 187 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: right now, just trying to scour the latest news and 188 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: what's going on with swimming Australia. 189 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: How many headlines have you found about it? 190 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 3: None? And I love a newspaper because I think a 191 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 3: lot of people still love having a tangible paper in 192 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 3: front of them as their guide of what's going on 193 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 3: in the world of sport. Nada, Like, I can't stress 194 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 3: you there was nada, which didn't really help us research this. 195 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 3: But when we say crisis, we need to qualify this. 196 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 3: As of the weekend, Swimming Australia are searching for their 197 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 3: fifth president in three years. Yes, and they're still searching 198 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 3: for their fourth CEO in three years. So leadership is 199 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: a massive issue. But more importantly, George, we may be expelled. 200 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: Expelled. That's really bad. Like that's worse than death sometimes. 201 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: According to Hermione Granger, I thought you'd get that in there. 202 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: I really thought you would. But essentially. In Leach letters 203 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: dated the seventh of August, World Aquatics formerly known as Veena, 204 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: called for changes to Swimming Australia's constitution to be presented 205 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 3: within thirty days and implemented within ninety notably, concerned about 206 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: the lack of stability in governance will yeah, there's no 207 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: one that's staying at the top, and to make our 208 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 3: constitution more representative and inclusive of its athletes. If this 209 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: motion was not passed, World Aquatics reserved the rights to 210 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 3: consider further action against Swimming Australia, including expulsion from the 211 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 3: global governing body, which means at world swimming events, not 212 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 3: the Olympics, but world swimming events like. 213 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: The World Championships that we just saw in Japan. 214 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: Australia could be competing under a neutral flag. 215 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: So if we take just what we saw in the 216 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: last month and just how well our dolphins did, you're 217 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: telling me that we would have seen a Molly O'Callahan 218 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: atop the dais with a neutral flag behind her, non 219 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: an Australian flag, because she can't be necessarily if this 220 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: happened and we were expelled from World Aquatics, you can't 221 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: represent Australia anymore. 222 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: It's unthinkable and it's actually happening. 223 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 2: This is going on right now. So what is so wrong? 224 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: Why why swimming Australia worse than all the other member countries. 225 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: As far as I know in our research, we have 226 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 1: not been able to find any of these other show 227 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: causes for other nations. It is just Australia that they've gone. 228 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: Hang on a second, this constitution, which you only last 229 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: updated in twenty eighteen, that's only five years ago, right, 230 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: This constitution of yours is really not in line with 231 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: where we hold our expectations for you to retain your 232 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: status and a member of World Aquatics. 233 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: And we reached out, George, you and I to different 234 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: people that work closely in swimming in Australia, and no 235 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: one really wanted to comment. Yeah, and I think it's 236 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: because if you open that can of worms, it's really 237 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 3: hard to be anything but critical of the way that 238 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: things have been managed, particularly when, let's stress it's a 239 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 3: very successful sport. Yes, you have started the highest funded 240 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: sports but doesn't have a naming rights partner. Yeah, wild 241 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: We're eleven months out from Olympics and there is no 242 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 3: naming rights partner and athletes understandably, and one of the 243 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 3: big changes to the constitution that World Aquatics is asked 244 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 3: to see is more voice to the athletes and arguably 245 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 3: a more streamlined system to get change implemented, because, as 246 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: we can see with the different number of presidents and CEOs, 247 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: people have come in full of gumption hoping to make change, 248 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 3: got nowhere and whether because they've had better opportunities. We 249 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 3: know that Michelle Gallon has moved on. 250 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: She's the outgoing president. She stood down last just last week. 251 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: Yes, like she moved because she had a great opportunity 252 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: to be the CEO of the National Sports Tribunal. But 253 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: still still though, you're not moving on if you're enjoying 254 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: your job exactly. 255 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, five presidents in three years, 256 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: four CEOs in three years, something is going on behind 257 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: the seeds at. 258 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: A board level. 259 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: From what I can work out, the best way that 260 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: I can kind of make sense of it in my 261 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: own head is that this is game of thrones, but no. 262 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 2: One wants the iron throne. 263 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: No one wants it there's all of these power plays, 264 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 1: and there's all of these secrets happening, and all of 265 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: these little conversations going on, and alliance is being made, 266 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: but no one actually wants the power. Everyone's just very 267 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: critical of the person who has the power. 268 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: In the end, the key for. 269 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: Swimming Australia is that it is a fat rated system, right, 270 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: it's a federated system, but there's a lot of state players. 271 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: Remember the pandemic Jelmy, Remember when we kind of all 272 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: learned just how much power the states had yes with lockdowns, 273 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: And that's essentially, in my mind, goes some way to 274 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: explaining the power dynamics of swimming Australia. They are trying 275 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: to have everyone get on the same page, but there's 276 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: going to be vested interests because the States have so 277 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: much power. 278 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: And understandably one of the main parties in this, the 279 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 3: athletes are saying, we'd like more of a voice. 280 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: Can we have a seat at the table please? Maybe 281 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: not even a seat, you will stand standing room at 282 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: the table. We'll take what we can get because right now, 283 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 1: according to World Aquatics, they have no say, there's no power. 284 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 3: The letter said there appears to be a void in 285 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 3: the role of athletes in decision making. World Aquatics requires 286 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: that all twenty members of the National Governing Bodies Athlete 287 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 3: Committee get a vote. 288 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: And so wait, wait, wait, wait, go back. This letter 289 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: is that it was, but where's it come from? 290 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 3: World Aquatics? 291 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: So World Aquatics has written this letter, a leaked letter to. 292 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 3: Australia saying you've got thirty days to present a different 293 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 3: constitution to us, and ninety days to make that change 294 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 3: or you risk expulsion. 295 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: Dare I say you better shape up? You do my 296 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: and my heart is set on anything else you're going. 297 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: But I constitute and that I love you. That plan 298 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: needs to be in place. There is an extraordinary meeting 299 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 3: on the twentieth of October. Hang on. 300 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: So if they don't vote, I think at the moment 301 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: it's like, as far as we can tell from the 302 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: little that has been reported or that has been able 303 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: to be reported on this matter, is that there might 304 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: be a verbal agreement that everyone, all the directors, everyone 305 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: on the board is thinking, oh yeah, like we'll agree 306 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: in terms to this new constitution. But they still have 307 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: to vote on it on October twenty. 308 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: Otherwise, my own standing from the World Wide Web is 309 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 3: that so being Australia has moved really quickly that there 310 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,479 Speaker 3: is a new constitution that has been approved by World Aquatics. 311 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: It just now needs to be voted in and implemented. 312 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: So they've basically got a slap on the wrist and 313 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 3: they've gone, okay, okay, this is our changes again to 314 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 3: the changes that were made in twenty eighteen. What Aquatics 315 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 3: has gone, Yeah, that looks better. Yeah, and now it's 316 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: going to go to a vote and be implemented as 317 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 3: of the twentieth of October and then hopefully we're out 318 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 3: of the clear. 319 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: So one of the other biggest constitutional reforms that World 320 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: Aquatics is calling for has to do with the number 321 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: of board members and just how much power they have 322 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: when it comes to making big decisions. Veto powers. So, 323 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: for instance, if you were able to have a strong alliance, 324 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: because there's only a limited number of board spots, if 325 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: you were going to have a strong alliance within that 326 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: then you could easily have so much sway. You need 327 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: a diversification of that board. Add athletes voices into there, 328 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: add some coaching voices into their right. Now, there's key 329 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: number of players that tend to have all the say 330 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: last year swiming Australia Cup funding to the States in 331 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: terms of their participation funding to be able to be 332 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: a part of swimming Australia. 333 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 2: They didn't like that the States. 334 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: It's naive of us to think as well that oh no, 335 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 1: everyone's looking out for the best when it comes to 336 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: swimming at all levels. 337 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: Nah. 338 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: If you're Queensland and you have a team called the 339 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: Saint Peter's Western Team which has you know Arnie, it 340 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: has Mollio Callahouna, he has Dean Boxel at the Helm 341 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: and you represent I think like about a third of 342 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: the Dolphins actual team, there is a strong argument for 343 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: you to be like, no, no, no, we need more 344 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: funding because look at the results that we're getting. Yes, 345 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: but then what about the team over on the other 346 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: side of the country. You know some wa swim squads 347 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: that are like, oh no, what we want to We 348 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: want to be able to work that as well. 349 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: In order to have a. 350 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: Super strong team, you kind of need to build everyone up. 351 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: And from what we can see from the turnover at 352 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: that executive level, yes, there are a lot of brilliant 353 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 3: administrators that have been at the Helm that have come 354 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: in with gumption, excited, about making change, and those gears 355 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 3: have locked and they can't do anything, so they move on. Yes, 356 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 3: So hopefully this constitution unlocks all of that and allows 357 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 3: change that is so desperately needed, so that particularly our 358 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 3: swimmers can feel like that they're supported the way that 359 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: they should be. George. They don't get paid very much. 360 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 2: They get paid nothing. 361 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: There was a report that came out just in this 362 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: last week, so a very very recent survey of all 363 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 1: elite athletes in Australia. Half of them, almost half of 364 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: them are living under the poverty line, so that's less 365 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: than twenty three thousand dollars per year. 366 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, Emily Cbomb, who's a three time 367 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 3: Olympic gold medalist three times three time, went on, I'm 368 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 3: a celebrity, get me out of here as you do, 369 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 3: and she was having a chat to bo Ryan. Essentially 370 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 3: the conversation went a little bit like this. The top 371 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 3: eight swimmers in Australia, their retainer from swimming Australia is 372 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 3: thirty thousand dollars. Thirty thousand dollars. Just to be very clear, 373 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 3: the minimum wage for full time job in Australia is 374 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 3: thirty six thousand dollars. And the thing is, we know 375 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 3: and we've spoken a lot about potentially AFOW players not 376 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 3: being paid well enough for what they do and things 377 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 3: like that. Their season comes and goes, yes, and they 378 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: can hold another job. Swimmers get up. 379 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 2: At stew Barrows stupid o'clock. 380 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 3: And you can't take a break from swimming. 381 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: Sometimes they train twice a day in the pool, then 382 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: they'll have gym sessions and they'll do that six days 383 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: a week for years. 384 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,919 Speaker 3: That is my idea of the Hunger Games. Yeah, and 385 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 3: I would let myself die. Swimming for those that aren't 386 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 3: swimming people is just revolting. 387 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: But we know how important it is to be able 388 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: to advocate for yourself right so that you can tell 389 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: people who may not know. Like board members, some of 390 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: them have experience with being athletes, some of them do not. 391 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: They have completely different backgrounds. So why it's important for 392 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: athletes to have such a greater voice, and also for 393 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: the coaching staff to have a voice, is that you 394 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: have hands on a personal experience for what is actually 395 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: needed where that funding should go. You should be able 396 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: to make that argument because swimming is our most successful sport, 397 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: it is one of our most highest funded sports in 398 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: this country. So you are getting government funding, you are 399 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: getting ideally big sponsorship dollars. 400 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 3: Where does it go have a naming sponsor? And the 401 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 3: bit that blew my mind is that if you win 402 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 3: gold for your country, your bonus is twenty thousand dollars 403 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: and that's only only just brought that in and that 404 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 3: was a milestone. Yes, twenty thousand. 405 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: For a gold for all of that work for the 406 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 2: Hunger Games. As you say. 407 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 3: Fifteen thousand for silver and ten thousand for a bronze, 408 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 3: you just think. And again I come back to the 409 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: fact that this conversation was between between mc bomb and 410 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: Bo Ryan, who plays NRL, which is a national sport, 411 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 3: and it blew his mind that the very and in 412 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 3: his own words, he's like, you just think the best 413 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 3: athletes in the country are driving nice cars to a 414 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 3: beautiful home. Yes, and yet as this report that's come 415 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: out this week says, a lot of them are living 416 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 3: below the poverty line in terms of what they're actually earning. 417 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 3: And we know we say this all in the context 418 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 3: of there is a cost of living crisis. A lot 419 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 3: of people are doing it hard. Teachers, nurses, yes, the works, 420 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 3: but I think there is a perception, at least within 421 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: the public, that athletes are enumerated exceptionally well for what 422 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 3: split see. It looks glamorous, that life right, and they 423 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: get one shot in four years to hopefully get that 424 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 3: sponsorship that can carry them through to the next. 425 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: And the only thing that will get them there though, 426 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: is success. And the only way you get success is 427 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: to have solid programs that are backing you at the 428 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: back end, and you need for that in order to 429 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: have those be a success. You would think really strong 430 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: governing body and a really strong system in place to 431 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: make sure that that happens. 432 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 3: And a governing body that has been able to sell 433 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 3: the brand that is the Dolphins that doesn't have a 434 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 3: naming right sponsor, and we are eleven months out from 435 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 3: an Olympics, and also they're so marketable, they're the gods 436 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 3: of our country. 437 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: And we're only nine years out from twenty thirty two. 438 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: There's a lot that needs to happen. And just for 439 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: a body like World Aquatics, it's like FIFA saying to 440 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: Football Australia, get your head in the game. Yeah, to 441 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: quote high school musical You've Been ang. 442 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: I was not get your head in the game. 443 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: It's like FIFA saying that to Football Australia and then 444 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: that's threatening what the Matildas can achieve. It's the same thing, 445 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: but no one's talking about it because it is so 446 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: hard to decipher. But right now the governing body there 447 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: is no there's an interim CEO, so they're still looking. 448 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 2: They're conducting a. 449 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: Worldwide search for a full time CEO and right now 450 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: they don't even have a president. You go on the 451 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: Swimming Australia website at the time of this recording and 452 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: old mate Michelle Gallon still there. 453 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: Her picture is still there as president. 454 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 3: You hope the constitutional changes that have been put forward 455 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 3: and approved by World Aquatics will make it easier for 456 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 3: the incoming whoever they are CEO and President to create 457 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: great change within Swimming Australia Because it is our beloved sport. 458 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 3: We only wish it well. We hope that everyone within 459 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 3: the organization feels valued. But also this governing body, it's 460 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 3: not just Olympic athletes, it's right down to the little nippers. 461 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes every single level. 462 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 3: Yes, and when it comes to Brisbane, I'm going to 463 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 3: sit back in my armchair and hope for gold damn, 464 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 3: I'm going to expect gold. 465 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to say when it comes to the Dolphins, 466 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: no one's hoping for gold. We are expecting gold when 467 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: really narrator says, nothing is together here, nothing is as 468 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: what it seems, and something needs to change. That has 469 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: been recognized by the ultimate body telling us that it 470 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: needs to change. October twenty will it, Georgie, It's time 471 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: for another fun factor and we're going into the history 472 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: books so much so I feel the need to say, 473 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: he ye, hear yee. 474 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 3: Did they say that in the nineteen hundreds. No one knows, 475 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 3: but we're going to stick with it. We're going back 476 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 3: to mister Friedrich Lane. I know that he's someone that 477 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 3: you know intimately in terms of his prowess in Australians 478 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 3: sporting history. He was our first ever gold medalist in 479 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 3: swimming for Australia. I should know him, you should know him. 480 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 2: And what's over the dolphin. 481 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 3: The fun fact is that the event, one of the 482 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 3: events that he won was the two hundred meters obstacle event. 483 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 2: That's not in the Olympics. 484 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 3: It was competed in the muddy waters of the River 485 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 3: sen No and they had just we're competitors had to 486 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: swim and climb over a pole. 487 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: A pole, what is this pole? 488 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: Vault? 489 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 3: And then swim over two rows of boats, two rows 490 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 3: of boats. 491 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: This was a hang on. This was an official Olympic event. 492 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: For one time only. Shock horror that it was the 493 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 3: only time. 494 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 2: I'm not confirmed. Is this where hurdles came from? 495 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 3: And yet it still probably doesn't baffle people more than 496 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 3: break dancing in. 497 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 2: The air as an Olympic sport. 498 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: You know what? I love that Frederick Lane won our 499 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: first swimming gold medal, and his name is Lane. 500 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 3: There wasn't a lane in the obstacle. 501 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: Lane in the obstacle, couse. 502 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: I just think that it's so hard even just to 503 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: swim in the river, SAYD. I would assume there would 504 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: be lots of natural obstacles in there. Not the cleanest river, 505 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: I would say. 506 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 3: In the nineteen hundreds. It might have been right, might 507 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 3: have been straight from a glacier. Who knows. Anyway, That's 508 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 3: my fun fact. I think you've got a fun faction. 509 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: I do my fun fact, Jeremy actually involves us. 510 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 2: Is this a long bow? I'm going to draw? Maybe? 511 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: But you and I had a world record because we 512 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: were in attendance at at one time the largest crowd 513 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: at a women's sporting event ever. 514 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: I remember it very clearly, mostly Katy Perry, you know, 515 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 3: dancing cricket bats. 516 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: Dancing cricket bats. It was the T twenty World Cup Final, 517 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: Australia up against India and we were part of the eighty. 518 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 3: Six thousand, seven hundred and fourteen people. 519 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: Yep, what a strong crowd. 520 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 3: What a strong crowd it was like honestly, it was emotional. 521 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: It really was emotional. 522 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: But unfortunately it's got even more emotional because our world 523 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: record doesn't stand. It has been broken before now as well. 524 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 1: But this is the key. It was broken again last 525 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 1: week in Nebraska at a volleyball game, a college volleyball game, 526 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: college college volleyball game. Ninety two thousand and three people 527 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 1: rocked up to watch the corn Huskers. That is the 528 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: name of the volleyball team, which I think is fantastic, 529 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: ninety two thousand and three. 530 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 3: This could be our d topic next week because I 531 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 3: have so many questions. Was there a statewide campaign? Do 532 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: they really care about volleyball? And Nebraska was its beach? 533 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 3: Was it indoor? It can't be indoor, because who has 534 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: an indoor venue for ninety three thousand people. 535 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: So there are some caveats and there is a contentious 536 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: this is a contentious record. 537 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 3: Was there someone with the clicker like at a nightclub? 538 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: Yet just like going a bit nuts and getting the 539 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 3: numbers blown out. 540 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: Well, the thing is that the stadium itself, I think 541 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: only holds like eighty thousand people. But because it was 542 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: a volleyball court in the in a football stadium is 543 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: where it was held, so you could have more people 544 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 1: on the ground around the court that they assembled in 545 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: the middle of the field. So technically that allowed for 546 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 1: more people than you would usually see at a sporting event. Also, 547 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: there was like a concert, everyone had the day off 548 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: as well, so look, there were certain parameters and caveats 549 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: that made it possible to have ninety two thousand and 550 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: three people there. 551 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 3: So what I heard from that is if you and 552 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 3: I have a thumb more before Taylor Swift, when there's 553 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 3: one hundred thousand people at the MCG, can we then 554 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 3: say that that was a women's sporting event with that 555 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 3: many people. 556 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: I think I'm not to speak down. 557 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 3: I don't know very much about Nebraska and they're sporting behaviors, 558 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 3: but I just don't believe that volleyball on the world 559 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 3: stage has more fans attending. 560 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 2: Was it even a final a college volleyball game? I 561 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 2: don't believe it was. 562 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 3: It's a fun and interesting fact. 563 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: That jelm me George Thumb wore coming to you a 564 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: stadium near you in twenty twenty four. 565 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 3: Thank you for. 566 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: Listening to Two Good Sports at iHeart Production. Make sure 567 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: if you haven't already, follow us on Instagram at two 568 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: Good Sports Podcasts. 569 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 3: George's going to rank your favorite musicals. No, definitely give 570 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 3: us a follow. 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