WEBVTT - Azaria & Lindy Chamberlain 0:00:01.240 --> 0:00:05.560 Australia is known around the globe for having a disproportionate 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:09.520 number of deadly animals. No, we don't have lions or 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:15.960 anacondas or hippos. Hippos kill more, yes, human, but ours 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:19.800 here in Australia are much scarier because they're not so obvious. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.040 It's something people overseas scratch their heads about, how we're 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.560 also relaxed and chilled and hanging at the beach when 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:30.800 we're living among some of the world's deadliest spiders, the 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:37.040 most venomous snakes, jellyfish, octopus, hippos, not hipposs, but crocodiles 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:40.240 and of course sharks. But there is one Australian animal 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.479 that not everyone thought of as particularly deadly. 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:44.200 Human. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.919 No, I think we all know they're quite deadly. I've 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.640 written this really nicely. Let me read it. This certain 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.920 animal wasn't feared around the world, but that all changed 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.880 one day in nineteen eighty when a mother would utter 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.160 the soon to be infamous phrase the Dingo's got my baby. 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:06.280 Oh my god. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:10.080 This is the story of Lindy and Azaria Chamberlain. 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.400 Oh my god. I know this story, but I don't 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.479 know specifics of it. I think everyone knows this. 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.360 Story, but then in Australia certainly does. It was very 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:21.920 famous like globally. Yeah, yeah, but let's deep dive into it. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.240 Dingo dive something like that started with a D. I 0:01:26.240 --> 0:02:01.919 thought it my work. I'm sorry edited here. 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.560 Hey there, everybody, welcome it to not another crime podcast. 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:03.680 I'm I'm Sammy Peterson, I'm a journalist. I am not, 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:05.600 but I'll tell you what you can do. If you 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:09.120 like skipping ahead and just listening to the story, you 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.000 can do that. The time code is in the show 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.880 notes below. Gee, you were going to do a story 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:19.240 this week that is so so world famous. I mean 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.639 you think of Australian sayings. I think shrimp on the 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.960 barbie and a dingo store my baby are two of 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.560 the biggest sayings of all time that are known in Australia. 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.240 That's right and interesting that you said a dingo stole 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.840 my baby because it is largely misquoted as a dingo 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:37.680 stole my baby or the dingo ate my baby. Yes, 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.600 in fact, the phrase was the Dingo's got my. 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.360 Baby, He's got my baby, or Dingo's took my baby. 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:44.440 I've heard before. 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:49.480 It's very like it's quoted in so many like shows 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.280 and things as kind of a joke about Australia. Yes, 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.720 which I mean, we'll go into the story. It's really 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.760 not a joke, all right. Yeah, your favorite show the 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:03.040 Simsims yep, Simsims and Fraser yes and Seinfeld, Yes, the 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:04.760 three of your top favorite shows. 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.160 Of course we do. It's so interesting as well because 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:10.000 I think, and you know, we'll talk about this after, 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:14.160 but I mean I think that she was kind of 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:15.239 like an Amanda Knox. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.520 Hey, hey, hey, let's wait for this. Okay, okay, let's 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:19.680 let's hold the chat. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.360 Well, let me let me just say this real quick. 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:26.440 Diggs has a new pig toy. It's hilarious. It's squeaky. 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:29.919 So if you hear that, just know that this is 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.840 only a moment of your life, and at the moment, 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.280 this is my whole life. It is Diggs walking around 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.440 this week. I have always asked people not to get 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:41.000 me squeaky toys because Diggs thinks they're hilarious and he 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:42.320 shows you NonStop. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.240 I feel like every dog owner knows this pig toy. Yes, 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:47.720 and no one has ever bought it for their own dog. No, 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.080 they always ever gifted. If you hear that noise. That 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.360 is the wonderful dis Well. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:56.040 It was one of Diggs's Christmas presents, so he got to. 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.360 Send me last episode, you were telling us Diggs was 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.240 getting to go to Christmas Day. Yeah, yeah, please tell 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:03.960 us about it. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.120 Oh, it was the best day for Digs ever. He 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.880 went to the beach and he went. He got so 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:11.800 excited at the beach. He got so excited. We had 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.440 I think three three days down there and it was 0:04:15.440 --> 0:04:18.360 the best. Digs went to the beach every day. He ran, 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.400 He tried to bite the waves. He just thinks the 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.920 beach is the most incredible thing ever. Also probably really 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:26.320 good for his arthriots and hip displays the cold water. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:28.800 So yeah, so he had the best time ever, like 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.760 every like, he was so excited the entire time. He 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.719 followed me around the whole time, like having naps with 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.440 me and stuff. Because at one point I did I 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:40.800 did have a few too many scoops, as my friend 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:44.640 Marik would say, scoop she calls having a drink a 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.719 few scoops to go for a few scoops. But I 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:49.479 had a lot of had a lot of sparkling wine 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:53.160 one of the days and saying how to make gravy 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.400 at people for a while. My god, amaze, there was 0:04:56.400 --> 0:05:00.280 a video footage of that. Yeah, there was a There 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.960 was a musician, the Great Berry, who's a friend of 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.159 my parents, came along and he played music for one 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.480 and no one was singing. No one was singing. Everyone 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.400 was just kind of watching him. And then I just 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.800 grabbed this gold microphone that my mum had, you know, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.120 one of those kind of karaoke microphones, really tiny sound, 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.000 or you would actually I don't know, I'm asking you. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.839 And yeah, I grabbed that and got the lyrics up 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:23.320 for how to make gravy, and I think it really loud. 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.880 And then my Auntie ripped it off me and said, 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:26.720 that's enough of that. 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.040 Incredible. Yeah, I need to see that footage. 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.840 It's some good stuff, but I don't. I think our 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.000 Christmas is actually the perfect time to get a little 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:35.960 bit drunk and sing that song and then have a 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:37.160 big nap for a few hours. 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:38.680 One was that on Christmas Day. 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:40.080 I was on Christmas date. Then I had a nap 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.680 for quite a few hours, and then I rose like 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.840 a phoenix. I got back up and I made Dad 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:49.880 an espresso martini. So my dad has only he loves 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.320 an espresso martini. My dad's not a drinker, but he 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:55.000 does like an espresso martini. And he had one in 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:58.720 a caravan park in where was It was like Biga 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:03.159 or something and looked, I'll be honest, a bigger caravan puck. 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.400 It looked foul, and he thought it was the best 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.520 thing in the world. It was instant coffee with So yeah, 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.320 there's a lot of stuff going on there anyway. But 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:13.960 then I thought, for Christmas, I am going to buy 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.000 him a cocktail kit and I'm going. 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.320 To take it down, the actual good one, and. 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.840 I made it for him. We had that g love 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.960 on Christmas night. Christmas, Yeah, Christmas night at about eleven pm, 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.839 stupid mouth and I would buy it, but I was. 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.719 I saw it. I saw a tweet recently that said 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:35.640 espresso martinis are just Jaeger bombs that studied abroad and 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:36.400 won't shut up about. 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:38.599 Oh that's great, that's great. Yeah, but it was. It was. 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:40.560 I had a great Christmas and caught up with some 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.080 old school friends, which was I mean, I see them 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:44.760 all the time anyway, but it was just so nice 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:48.040 being down there together down on Phillip Island, dig swim 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.479 all the time, and then since I've been back, I 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.479 had been sleeping, reading and g love. I'm going to 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.360 tell you this because I've told you this before, and listeners, look, 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:06.239 I've been making potatoes. I've heard all about this passionate 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:10.720 about air fry guy, a real air fry guy, and 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.760 I have been having that peppercorn gravy. It doesn't really 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:15.760 go together, but it's fun. 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.400 I think it's impossible to have an air fryer and 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.400 not talk about it all the time. It's wise, just 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.960 from my anecdotal Yes, it seems to be what happened. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.520 Yes, Well, my auntie had a Thermo mix as well, 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.480 and I helped her make the cauliflower cheese for Christmas Day, 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.800 and it took so long that we were like both 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.920 really late for Christmas because the cauliflower cheese took forever. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.360 But it was so worth it. How is your Christmas? Love? 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:47.320 It was lovely and very relaxed. My sister has a 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:52.040 little holiday hobby farm, and we spent it down there, 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:53.920 and I was going to stay for you know, maybe 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:57.240 till two days after Christmas. I ended up staying for 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.520 a week. Every day I would wake up and go 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.800 this lovely country is healing me and. 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.440 You were stressed. You were going to me. Oh, I've 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.320 got to come back and record. And also, loves, I've 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:12.239 got baked potatoes. You stayed down, girlfriend, I did. 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:17.640 And it was beautiful. Obviously I watched Heated Rivalry. Have 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:18.440 you watched it? Oh? 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.400 No, I've heard a lot about it. I've been watching 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.000 other shows I want to talk about. But please, what's this? 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:23.960 Okay? Well, I mean I want to talk about it 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:25.840 now because the whole world is. But I also don't 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.000 want to talk about it if you haven't watched it yet, 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.840 because no, I've been Oh my god. 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:31.400 All right. 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.480 All I will say is I'm deep. 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.360 Police homosexual program. I believe it's. 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:41.960 Colloquially referred to as the gay Hockey Show. Just gay 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.160 hockey show. Okay, the internet is called hockey gay Hockey Show. 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.600 It is the best thing I've ever watched. I have 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.560 become deeply obsessed with these fictional characters. It is somehow 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.640 ruined and healed me all at once in six episodes, 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.800 and I cannot stop thinking about it. I lay and 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:07.480 this morning like openly crying, reading like reactions and tweets. Okay, 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:08.199 I'm obsessed. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:09.719 I need to check it out. Then I'm going to 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:10.640 make you watch change. 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.319 So yeah, do you think it's a little bit different 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:14.080 to see change? 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:15.000 But it's interesting? 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:16.040 Got time for them both? 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:17.760 Can I ask you this quickly because you'll know the 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:22.040 answer to this. Then the week in between Christmas and 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.240 it's like, you know it's it's a weird week because 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.440 you're like, what day is it? It's a blur. It 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.760 feels like I woke up and all of a sudden, 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.480 like people started calling the end of financial years sales 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.280 if he sails all of a sudden fee. I didn't 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:40.120 know where that came from. I don't know where goddamnweek 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:41.760 came from? What does it mean? 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:46.640 I hate that term so much. It's more than a 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.800 poetry peeve. That's why we can top. I despise what 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:50.160 is it? 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:50.920 What does it mean? 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:51.319 You don't know? 0:09:51.840 --> 0:09:53.559 I do know? What is that? Was that? Literally why 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:54.120 it's called good? 0:09:54.240 --> 0:10:02.400 Yeah? Because it's like in between I despise that term 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.959 who taint? 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:08.040 Taint is the point. You can watch the YouTube. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.720 If what's changed? 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.320 Is it the same as Yeah, it's the same as well. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:15.720 I hate that, but the word gooch itself just does 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:22.000 funny things to my brain. Scratches my brain. Wrong related, No, 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:27.000 not Grinch related. No, he gone by by Boxing Day week. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.400 That week is my favorite week of the whole year. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.560 No one expects anything of you. You don't have to 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:37.280 be anywhere, no one's making plans with you. Oh my god, 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:37.960 it's so good. 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.600 It's the best. It's so so good as a week. 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:41.520 So you had a great time. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:46.160 A spark I was lovely. Yeah's got a little like 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.319 blow up It looks like a blow up pool, but 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:51.400 it's a legitimate spark that pets up and has bubbles 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:55.320 and stuff. And I just read my book and watched 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:59.880 his Rivalry and talked about his rivalry, and. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.520 Wow, I came to visit you on my way home, 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:05.640 which is really on the way at all, but it 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:07.760 beggs yeah with Diggs and it was so much on. 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:09.120 We got McDonald's on the way home. 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.480 That is a rite of passage when you're driving home 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:14.200 from the country. 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.280 Yeah. Yeah, he had a cheeseburgers and listeners. 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:24.040 Can we tell you that Diggs and Pawdry kind of men. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.280 Kind of met. Yeah. The photos are incredible. 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.200 We will share the photos on the Instagram when this 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:34.360 episode goes out. So Pauls was inside and Digs was 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.280 outside and they saw each other through the window and 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:40.400 let me say, Diggs thought it was the best thing ever. 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:42.319 Paudrey did no. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:47.840 She looked so mad. That was the end of Diggs's 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.880 week away, where he slept for like four days after that. 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.560 But we also saw our packers on the farm and 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.840 Dick just thought there were the most incredible thing he's 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:57.200 ever seen. 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.800 They didn't think, they did not think he was the 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.040 most incredible thing. My sister freaked out because our pack 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.599 has started making a noise that she's yeah, she's not 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.079 even heard the make that noise when they are likely 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:11.679 to jump, and. 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:15.480 Seeing a horrific beast such as, such as, such as. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.120 It was a big week for Diggs. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.800 Huge week for Digs. And we were recording this on 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:23.479 New Year's Eve. We are beautiful. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.800 It has been. You put up a beautiful bowstone Instagram 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:32.679 reflecting on your year, and I love so much how 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:36.520 you worded the first sentence. So people were like their 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.520 New Year's You've posts are always thought, you know, oh, 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.360 this year was big because of such and such and 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:46.839 I went through this and I did these things. You said, 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.920 here's some of what I got to do. This year. Yeah, 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:54.160 I fucking love that so much. What a beautiful way 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:55.680 to put it. You got to do this. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.120 I got to do a lot this year. 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:02.240 And like they've you know, hard things and hard times 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:06.000 and it's been a really shitty year glob Yeah, I 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.200 just love that. Take you haad on it. I got 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:10.040 to do these things. 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:11.920 I got to do these things. Yeah, and it was 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:13.560 it was like, I mean, it was the biggest year 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.240 of my life this year, and so many awful, awful 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:17.760 things happened. I mean, at the end of the year 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:21.240 with what we spoke about the BONDI you shooting, Like, 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:25.559 so many awful, awful things happened this year. But there 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.080 were also amazing things that I got to do. And 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.000 I was like, how lucky am I that I got to, like, 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:32.040 you know, go around in Australia this year, and I 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.360 got to do my first ever show. I got to 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:37.280 act in a short film. We launched this podcast. I 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:41.240 mean we launched this podcast in February, I think or January, 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.360 maybe late January. It was late January, nearly a year, 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.720 so we got to do that. I got to continue 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.160 my podcast to do with bron I wrapped up a 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.000 podcast I did for seven years called Confessions, which I 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.440 wrapped it up after seven years. I so much happened 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.280 in the space of a year when I was just 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.280 looking through photo going holy hell, like that happened this year. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.880 That happened this year. Like there was so much that 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.560 I got to do over a whole year. Like I 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.080 bought my forever home, I moved house twice, I got 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.319 my castle, Like that doesn't get to do that. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:15.679 Yeah, I didn't get no, that know only once, but 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:16.319 then you got back. 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:18.880 I got it back. But yeah. But but things that you 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:20.600 know that you go, oh my god, like when you 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:22.280 look back at your year, because I think for some 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.920 people like years can go really quickly or really slowly, 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:27.600 and I feel like there's part I think that's both, 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.280 like parts of the year go really slowly, parts of 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:32.200 the year go really fast. When you look back at 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:34.800 a year, I go, oh my god, I did something 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.520 every day, and it's always my thing to go I'll 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:39.840 take a photo of one thing that I did every 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.200 single day. So it's like so it's like it's taking 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:44.200 digs for a walk and be simple as that, or 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:45.720 like hanging out with a friend and I can't take 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:47.080 a photo of you really quickly, because I want to 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.080 kind of have this as my moment of the day, 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:50.880 and when you look back on it, you go, oh 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.400 my god, there's like three hundred and sixty five photos 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.160 of one part of your day, Like you know, I 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.280 got the photo of you and Tim Minchin when we 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.880 met where Tim mitchin after a show, or you know, 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.600 or like a tiny little thing like you know, just 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.520 digs jumping up on the couch with mum, or like 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.760 just just little parts. We go, oh, that happened this year. 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.200 And I toured a whole show with Dave Warnakey, my 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.520 great friend this year. I did you know? You go, 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.040 oh my god, And I was like, oh, I did 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:18.400 a show every night for a month for the Melbourne 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:21.440 International Comedy Festival. I did you know, Like so you go, oh, 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.240 they're actually a lot happened this year. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.240 You did so much. You've got to do so much 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:31.560 to do so your gratitude and positivity in saying you've 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:33.520 got to do so much, it's so beautiful and that 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:36.080 has I think shown over all of us and everyone 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:36.520 who knows you. 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.560 So thank you, hey, thank you g love, and also 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:41.800 happy New Year, you love, Happy have you got anything 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:43.720 that you want to do next year apart from being 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:47.080 a goddamn amazing friend to everyone as you always are. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:52.120 I wondering where that was going, but I think you, Yeah, 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:56.000 this has been very big for me personally. Started off 0:15:56.040 --> 0:16:02.000 with a separation. Yes, sorry I don't talk about it often, 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:07.520 and yes it's been a very big, pivotal, turbulent year. 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.600 But here we are. I'm very I'm feeling so much 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:18.640 more settled and myself than I knew or expected I 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.800 would be by this time. Yeah, this year, so I'm 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.840 like a deeply nostalgic person in a very bad way. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.800 Like it's not a positive how nostalgic I am. So 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.000 I always get a bit funny around like you know, 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.280 dates and of course New Years and stuff. So yeah, 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:35.000 it's been a big year to reflect on. But I've 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:39.480 had so many of like genuinely the best and happiest 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.920 moments and memories I have been in this the ye 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:45.200 this last three. 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:48.800 So one thing that I want to say before we 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.960 actually get into this week's episode is I think this 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.680 time is such a weird time for a lot of people. 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.160 It's such a strange time, and we're continuing to podcast 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.760 through this time. I would love to say that I 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.640 have been watching great things. I've been reading quite a 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.280 lot as well. I've started the Helen Ghana series that 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.040 you got me for Christmas. Diaries. 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.399 You we all know how much of a crush Sammy 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.760 has on Helen Ghana. And I was in a bookshop 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:21.679 and I saw these the biggest hardcover in my life, 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.280 that is Helen Ghana's Diaries, and I thought it's so 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.600 it might be Christmas for Sammy unless he receives that, 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:27.160 that's right. 0:17:27.359 --> 0:17:29.080 So I've been reading that. I've been reading another book 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.840 called Under the Bridge, which is really intense. It's a 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.280 very hard read because of the content, but I highly 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:38.399 recommend it if you want a true crime book. I 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:40.800 have actually gone back and started it again because I 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.879 realized I wasn't really focused on it enough. So I've 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.760 actually started it again. You know, I think when you 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.879 read books sometimes you don't really want percent focus. And 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:51.440 I realized I was kind of halfway through the book 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.000 and went hold on, who's that character? And I had 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.160 to kind of go back. So now I'm going. 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.440 So it's like a deeply disturbing one, and you're double. 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:58.880 Reading it, and I'm double reading it, so I'm going 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.440 back reading that. I'm also taking time in reading more 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:05.240 Helen Ghana as well as that I have been watching, 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.480 which I'll go into in another episode because one of 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.560 the episodes I'm doing soon, I watch a series that 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.399 has got me going, oh my god, this is a 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:16.320 true story, and I'm doing that. I think in the 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:19.479 next episode I'll be doing that. But David E. Kelly, 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.160 who writes most of American television. I mean, he wrote 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:27.600 Big Little Lies, he wrote Boston Legal, he wrote Ali mcbeale, 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:32.520 He writes and creates most of American TV. I've been 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.960 watching quite a lot of his stuff. Love and Death 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.000 is a show I just watched. Mister Mercedes is another 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:45.080 one that he wrote and created, which is fantastic. The 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:49.480 first series is fantastic. That's another true crime one. And 0:18:49.680 --> 0:18:54.280 I also watched Simon cow has a documentary on Netflix. 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:55.080 Did we talk about this? 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:57.359 I think we already spoke about it, but but I 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.080 watched that. There's a lot of things that I've been 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.960 watching that keep popping up. And there's a new documentary 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.080 on Jody Hildebrand that I haven't watched yet, but I 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.639 highly recommend watching it because we're going to talk about it. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:16.520 This week there is an Australian kind of media commentatorvative 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:21.360 writer called Joe Hildebrand, and I sincerely thought you meant 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.439 there was a documentary about Joe Hildebrand. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.119 I wouldn't be watching. But Jee, have you got any 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:27.200 recommendations You've been reading? 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.320 You've been hated rivalry? I can't stop talking or thinking 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:34.080 about it. But yes, I've also been reading the book 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:38.760 that you got me called loved One. I'm about two 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.760 thirds the way through and I love Oh Gray. It 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:42.920 is really, really, really good. But I'll talk about it 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:43.760 more when I finished it. 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.760 Okay, do you love Well? Let's get into this week's 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:47.359 episode still. 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:55.920 Alice Lynn Murchison, who was known as Lindy from a 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.600 very young age, was born in March nineteen forty eight 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.520 in news Filland but her family moved to Australia when 0:20:02.560 --> 0:20:05.760 she was just a baby. Her father was a pastor 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:14.000 pastor not at the Seventh Day Adventist Church, which we'll 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:17.040 talk about a bit more later, So they moved around 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.320 the family moved around a bit when he was kind 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:23.000 of in charge of moving around a lot would be hard, yeah, 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:27.119 but she spent Linda spent most of her childhood in Victoria, Australia, 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:31.240 where we live. I've said I'll talk a bit more 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.480 about the church later. The next line says a bit 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:39.280 about the Seventh Day Australia. Do you know much about 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:44.199 Seventh Day vents? So it's a Protestant crit now, and 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:48.440 I do. This is research that I've done very kind 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.280 of quickly. I apologize if there's anything I'm missing or 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:57.240 stating incorrectly, but from what I have garnered, it is 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:02.000 a Protestant Christian denomination known for observing Saturday as the Sabbath, 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:06.480 the seventh Day, which is the seventh day evens, and 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:10.120 it emphasizes on the imminent second coming of Jesus Christ. 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.960 Okay, there are so many branches of Christianity that it's 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:16.560 so hard, and it. 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.359 Is a branch of Christianity. Its core beliefs are rooted 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.159 in the Bible, with a belief in the heavenly sanctuary 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:28.280 and an investigative judge just put little extra syllable in 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:34.720 their investigative judgment before Jesus's return. They follow a street 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:38.840 code of ethics. They're often vegetarian. They avoid alcohol, tobacco, 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:42.000 and drugs, and believe in the unconscious state of the 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:46.679 dead until resurrection. Now it's not the same as Mormonism, 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:52.160 but the two are often confused, you know, just in ignorance. 0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:56.040 Sure people that don't know they share some similar practices. 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.719 The kind of a key difference is that Seventh Day 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:03.000 events follow the Bible. Mormons followed the Book of Mormon. 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:05.520 Yes, okay, for sure the actual. 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:08.680 Book, but potentially the musical as well. 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:10.840 Was it, Joseph Smith, It sure. 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.080 Was, which I only know because of the musical. The 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:18.880 Mormon prophet Joseph Smith, the All American prophet, whoa I've 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.600 an ogi about Jesus Christ. Who I'll sing you the 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:25.479 rest of the musical later. Now, more on how and 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:29.800 why Lindy's beliefs and this religion are worth mentioning will 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:34.360 come up later. In nineteen sixty nine, Whendy was twenty one, 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:38.000 she married twenty five year old Michael Chamberlain, the pastor 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:40.800 at her job right. He was also a New Zealand 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:44.800 Australian and obviously was of the same religion. They lived 0:22:44.840 --> 0:22:49.880 for the first five years of their marriage in Tasmania, 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:52.000 and during this time they had their first child, a 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:56.199 son named Aidan. While living there, Lindy also got her 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:59.320 certificate in dressmaking and tayloring and would go on to 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:03.280 become a dominantly a wedding dress makeup okay, but would 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:05.520 also make many of her own clothes and clothes for 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:09.120 her children. The new family of three then moved after 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.119 five years to Queensland, and there they had their second child, 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:15.960 another son named Reagan. That's a huge change, Tazzy to 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:19.040 queens Yeah. And they moved around a few different places 0:23:19.040 --> 0:23:21.719 within Queensland, but kind of everywhere. Pretty much that they 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:25.719 lived from now on was Queensland. Lindy had always been 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:28.640 very vocal that she'd always wanted a baby girl, and 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:31.840 when Aiden was seven and Reagan was four, her dream 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:36.280 came true. On June eleventh, nineteen eighty, Lindy and Michael's 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:40.080 third child was born, a baby girl they named Azaria. 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.919 Now, Azaria is an odd name for you know, for 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:45.600 Australia and New Zealand. Do you know do you know 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:46.640 what that means? 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:53.840 I've literally written asterix, asterix more on her name'll come up. No, 0:23:53.920 --> 0:23:55.560 it's not the next end of this type. It will 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:57.000 come up, mark my word. 0:23:57.080 --> 0:23:57.199 Right. 0:23:57.240 --> 0:24:01.400 That's what you call a hook hook line and if 0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:04.560 the crime in the story is like the people aren't 0:24:04.560 --> 0:24:06.159 hanging around for the crime part of it, but they 0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:09.880 will hang around for the meeting of the name. Now, 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:12.840 Michael didn't spend a heap of time at home given 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:16.160 his church duties, so when they could, the family would 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:19.560 often take time to travel together. And when little Azaria 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.080 was just nine weeks old, that's what they did. They 0:24:23.119 --> 0:24:26.119 packed up their tarana and they took the family on 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:28.120 a camping trip to the Northern Territory. 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:31.240 It's arana like they're the huge people. Move a kind 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:31.520 of came. 0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:35.639 Yeah, not to know, no, you're think, but it's like 0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:41.320 a big kind of big mon yeah. Yeah. Now, the 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.280 family had camped and traveled with their two little boys, 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:46.800 so they felt confident and comfortable in doing so with 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:49.679 Azaria despite her being so little. They knew, you know, 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:51.520 they had done that before and they knew they could again. 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:56.119 So they traveled around the Northern Territory, which is the 0:24:56.800 --> 0:24:59.400 outback you know, really known as the outback of Australia. 0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:01.919 The red st for the red dirt. 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:06.520 The highest point of Australia is is isn't it? The 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:07.440 Northern Territory. 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:09.000 I was in like the most normal. 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:12.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is there a big no no, sorry, 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:15.480 but they've got it because it's the whole, absolute holiest 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:17.360 Yeah yeah yeah. 0:25:17.400 --> 0:25:22.040 One of the most well known sites and landmarks in 0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:25.239 the Northern Territory is well, yeah, that's not so much 0:25:25.240 --> 0:25:28.840 a landmark, but crocodiles. Yeah, not so many crocodiles though. 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.520 In Ularu, as it's in the middle of the desert, 0:25:32.280 --> 0:25:36.560 it's an ancient sandstone rock surrounded by springs, waterholes and caves. 0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.080 It has strong traditional and cultural significance to the first 0:25:40.119 --> 0:25:43.960 peoples of Australia and the unknown people were the traditional 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:47.240 owners and are the traditional owners, sorry, of that land. 0:25:47.320 --> 0:25:49.080 It used to be referred to it back then as 0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:51.720 as rock, and people actually used to climate. 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:56.719 You kept saying my next. The British explorer in eighteen 0:25:56.800 --> 0:26:01.520 seventy three who first discovered Ularoo in English airs Rock, 0:26:02.240 --> 0:26:05.880 but its cultural name is Ularu and Australia has finally 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.880 done the right thing in not calling it airs Rock 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:13.320 in The first track to the rock was built in 0:26:13.400 --> 0:26:17.480 nineteen forty eight and it became a tourism spot in 0:26:17.600 --> 0:26:21.199 nineteen eighty when the Chamberlains went there. There was a 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:23.960 camp site tourists could stay in within the National park 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:27.240 grounds that you can no longer. There's no longer big 0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:32.080 just camping spots there. And as you said, it's incredibly 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:37.760 sacred and finally the stupid white people of Australia have 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:43.560 actually realized and cared about the fact that the indigenous 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:46.080 people it is an incredibly sacred site to them and 0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:49.119 we shouldn't just be treating it as a tourist hot spot. 0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:50.679 I mean it is still there is a lot of 0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:54.080 tourism there and it is beautiful to see, but the 0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:59.159 way tourists experience it now is very different and in 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:04.320 a very you know, a sentimental way and respect and respectful. 0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:07.320 Exactly as you said, people you used to be able 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.600 to climb the rock. They actually put in a metal 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:14.640 chain so people could hoist themselves up and climb and 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:19.160 climb Bolaroo and that was only banned in twenty nineteen. 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:23.679 What, yeah, twenty nineteen. Yeah, I thought it must have 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:26.320 been in the early two thousands nineteen. 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:30.879 Yes, so it was horrender It is horrendous. 0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:31.840 Is the word horrendous. 0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:36.600 And when they finally said okay, we're definitely not letting 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:39.520 anyone do this anymore, thousands of people went there in 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.720 the days and weeks beforehand to do it before last. 0:27:43.080 --> 0:27:46.119 That that terrible I have. So my family went to 0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:50.679 Ularu when I was in prep, so in I was six. 0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:52.160 I probably went at the same time. 0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:55.520 Yeah, that would have been nineteen ninety four. Yep, yep, 0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:57.280 you're a small baby there, but. 0:27:57.520 --> 0:27:59.359 Yeah, but I was, Yeah, I reckon, I probably went 0:27:59.400 --> 0:28:00.480 about the sticks. 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:05.640 Yeah, and that was a time when we weren't respectful 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:07.840 or I was going to say weren't understanding, but no, 0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.560 it's great to say we weren't respectful of the fact 0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:14.040 that the First Nations people didn't want to be doing that. 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:17.240 And we also didn't have like sorry to interrupt, but 0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:21.320 we in our schools, I was not taught at all 0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:25.520 about Indigenous culture. How we learned about ned Kelly Burkenwills, 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:27.879 We didn't. We didn't learn about indigenous culture at my 0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:30.760 school exactly. So I don't think that we had the 0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.880 act until you actually learn yourself. 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.800 Well and in the early nineties that my parents weren't 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:40.960 actively disrespectful by any means. It wasn't, as you said, 0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:43.480 it wasn't really spoken about certainly in the same way 0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:46.920 it is now, which is a bad thing. But my 0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.840 dad and my sister climbed the rock and I was 0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.640 going to but was too scared because I was sick. Yeah, 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.520 and I got a T shirt, like you know, from 0:28:57.600 --> 0:29:02.320 the little tourist thing said this little black duck didn't 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:05.480 climb as rock, the T shirt said. And I only 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:07.920 remember that because I saw I found a photo when 0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:09.560 we were like cleaning out the family house a couple 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.840 of years ago of me in that T shirt and 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:15.840 I was like, yeah, girl, good, yeah, loudly and proudly, 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.760 so that you didn't climb Ullaroo so there would go. 0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:22.720 I still can't believe twenty nineteen, that's wild. 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:24.880 I remember it was like a big thing. Pauline hands 0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:27.520 and was trying to get that change so people still 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:30.760 could and she, I'm pretty sure she went and climbed it, 0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.120 or said she was going to. Apologies if that's incorrect. 0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:35.320 Nah fucker, Nah a fucker. 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:41.600 Anyway, back to the Chamberlain's. They went to Ularu in 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:46.000 nineteen eighty in August. They planned to stay for three nights. 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.840 It was very busy being school holidays, so there were 0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.719 lots of people around. They set up camp towards the 0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.320 back of the designating camping area. Because they had a 0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.200 nine week old baby, they didn't want to disturb other campers. 0:29:57.680 --> 0:29:59.600 They set up next to a sand dune known as 0:29:59.600 --> 0:30:02.880 Sunray Hill and close to a picnic table where there 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:04.680 was like a barbecue area. Stuff. 0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:07.320 Sunrise Hills sounds a lot more poetic than I showed you. 0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.840 On Philip Island, the hill called spew Hill because a 0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:13.400 lot of people run up at and spewed. We've got 0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.240 culture too, You saying Philip Bardles don't have culture, Try 0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:17.160 against sweety. 0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:20.920 Phillip Island's got culture. There was only one flood light 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:24.240 in the communal barbecue area. That was the only light 0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:26.560 in the hole. It's obviously in the outback there is, 0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:31.960 you know, no street lines. The family of five all 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.960 slept in the one tent. Azaria slept in a white 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:39.320 wicker basket at her brother Reagan's feet. They sat there 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.800 for the first night, and then the first morning they 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:43.640 came out and met other campers who were staying in 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:44.240 the same area. 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:46.160 Did you say so she was nine months old or 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:48.040 nine weeks weeks? Nine weeks? 0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:52.200 Yeah, yeah, baby, baby, baby, yeah. And because of that, 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.400 when they went out and met the other campers, there 0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:58.880 was lots of fussing and a tiny little baby Azaria. 0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:04.000 First day, the family went exploring in their car and 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:07.400 took quite a few family photos. Michael was a keen 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.200 photographer and they and they wanted to you know, capture 0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:14.840 memories of this family holiday. They returned to the campground 0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:18.960 later that evening. Lindy bathed all the children and dressed 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:22.680 Azaria in a disposable nappy singlet, a white jumpsuit and 0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:26.520 a knitted matinee jacket with it was white with pale 0:31:26.640 --> 0:31:28.440 lemon like scalloped eaging. 0:31:29.000 --> 0:31:30.240 What's a matinee jacket? 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:33.520 Actually, every time I kept every time I wrote it, 0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.760 I kept thinking, go and google what that looks like. 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:37.360 Then I was too it. 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:40.480 Must just be. Maybe it's like an afternoon kind of outfit. 0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:44.440 I'm kind of like I'm picturing, like, yeah, to go 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:47.240 to the montaindaye must be you got like a smoker's 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.680 jacket of nine week old baby. I'm kind of picturing 0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:52.800 like a cardigan. I'm just quickly googling. 0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:56.240 Imagine yeah, like oh yes, yes. 0:31:55.360 --> 0:32:01.680 It's like like a little knitted baby's cardigan. Yes, like yeah, yeah, 0:32:01.760 --> 0:32:04.880 but copper exactly what you'd be picturing a little baby 0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:11.840 in the eighties, a little knitted sure card okay um. 0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:16.320 She was also wearing so a. Lindy dressed Azaria with 0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:20.160 a pair of little white knitted booties underneath the jumpsuit 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:22.320 so that she didn't have to remove them every time 0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:26.040 Azaria snappy needed changing after the show, and after the 0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:28.320 show exactly you got to have your shoes inside your tights. 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:33.480 After a matten nay, a tired seven year old Reagan 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:35.959 was put to bed in the tent while his two 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:40.080 siblings remained up with their parents. At around six thirty pm, 0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:42.640 the Chamberlain's joined some of the other campers at the 0:32:42.640 --> 0:32:46.440 communal barbecue area. Lindy and Michael chatted with another young 0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:49.720 couple in particular named Greg and Sally Low, and the 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:53.040 four of them all got along really well. Oh Sally 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:56.680 noted that Lindy appeared really cheerful and happy, and she 0:32:56.800 --> 0:33:01.320 had that new mum Glowria was struggling to sett all that. 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:05.240 She eventually stopped fussing and dozed off. Around eight pm, 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:07.200 when Lindy announced to the group she was going to 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:10.800 put her baby into bed. She carried his Aaria down 0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:13.680 there't it I. 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:15.920 Assume a PM in August. 0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:22.000 Yeah, yeah, for sure, Azaria. Sorry. Lindy carried his Aria 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.800 down the twenty five meters to their tent, the front 0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:28.640 of which was visible from the picnic area. Greg Lowe, 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.720 one of the new friends they had just made, saw 0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:35.680 Lindy kneel down and into the tent. A short time later, 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:39.000 he saw her leave the tent and walk towards the 0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.840 family's car and then come back to the campsite with 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:47.400 Aiden in toeep no no sorry, seven year old Aiden. 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:50.239 He was hungry, so she was going to make him 0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.920 some baked beans. When she was making the baked beans, 0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:57.840 Aiden said he thought he heard the baby crying. Sally 0:33:57.880 --> 0:34:01.000 low their new friend, heard it too, but Lindy was 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:04.880 insistent that Azari was asleep. Her husband, Michael, told her 0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.560 to go and check just in case, so she did so, 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:09.879 and Lindy went down to the tent on her own, 0:34:10.680 --> 0:34:13.040 and this is when those words were screamed into the 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:16.640 quiet night. Oh my god, Oh my god, A Dingo's 0:34:16.680 --> 0:34:30.920 got my baby. Now. Just a couple of little quick 0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:37.879 facts on dingos. They well, they're wild dogs, so yeah, 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:41.480 they look like dogs, like they look like Red Dog 0:34:41.560 --> 0:34:44.000 from the movie it looks like a dingo, but they 0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:48.160 are very much not like a domestic dog that we know. 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.680 They're more like like hyaenas and them are kind of 0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:54.799 similar in a way. Like either way they kind of 0:34:54.840 --> 0:34:55.879 look I don't know. 0:34:56.680 --> 0:35:00.440 They're more like like in their nature, maybe a bit 0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:03.600 more like a wolf. But also they're quite feeline like 0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:05.720 in there, and maybe that's a bit more the high endit' 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:09.640 thinking like they're quite like agile and fo Yeah, look 0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:10.960 kind of like big. 0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:13.360 Foxes, saying sexy fox. 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:19.200 Elita dingos fox elitis. They travel in packs of up 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:22.600 to ten and around Uluru live in lairs. I think 0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:25.560 they do everywhere, but I've just them at Uluru. Lairs 0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.520 like caves in the area and they hunt at night. 0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:31.560 They were very much known to be native in the 0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:33.640 area and there were lots of signs up saying not 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:34.399 to feed them. 0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:35.640 Yeah. Sure. 0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:40.319 The dingos that lived at and around Ularu had grown 0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:44.120 accustomed to humans and often hunted around camp sites for food. 0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:47.680 So by no means like domesticated, but they were used 0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:49.759 to humans being there and they would hang around the 0:35:49.760 --> 0:35:55.399 camp sites because they knew they had foods. Oh my god, 0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:58.359 terr genuinely more terrifying than a dingo if I game 0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:03.600 across that the chamberlains had purposely left all their food 0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.200 in their car. So it's not to try to singers 0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:09.319 like I was very much known not to do so. Now, 0:36:09.320 --> 0:36:12.240 in the two months prior to this date, in August 0:36:12.280 --> 0:36:15.719 nineteen eighty, there had been six incidents of wild dog 0:36:15.880 --> 0:36:17.000 bites at Ularu. 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:19.720 Oh really that many? Oh wow? 0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:24.600 Yeah, the day before three children had actually been bitten 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:28.799 in separate incidents. That none of those incidents were very 0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:29.520 very serious. 0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:33.000 But and you need to get some sort of raby 0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:39.480 shops and rabi. I don't know, but yeah, having like 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:43.799 that if it's wild animals and it bites you, wild 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:45.879 animals biting a child, and you know what, I don't 0:36:45.880 --> 0:36:46.359 think it's right. 0:36:46.719 --> 0:36:48.880 I actually don't think it's right wild animals. 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:55.040 But Childred goes as sexy though, foxy, foxy sexy again 0:36:55.880 --> 0:37:01.000 if you found this out about me now, it's. 0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:06.239 Like so many straight male's sexual awakening was Jessica Rabbit like. 0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.399 Of course it was still as to this day, you're 0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:14.200 awaken sexually to miss Biggy every day. 0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:18.719 I'll sleep when I'm dead. I don't know what that means, 0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:20.440 but I don't like it. I like it. 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:27.560 All right. Lindy said that she saw a dingo. So 0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:29.720 when she yelled at a dingo's got my baby. 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:34.120 So she she saw sorry, so heard crying, walked down 0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:37.399 to check on his area, and then and then saw 0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.200 the dingo walking away from it. 0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.960 And stop saying my next sentence, she said that she 0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:46.439 had seen a dingo walking away from their tent as 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.040 she walked down towards it. She said it looked like 0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:51.319 it was coming out of the tent, but she kind 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.239 of thought, no, that can't be right. Then when she 0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:58.880 went inside, she found Reagan asleep and Azaria's basket empty. 0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:01.640 Holy shit, there were drops of blood on the floor 0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:04.680 of the tent and the baskets blankets were strewn across 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:08.160 the tent and ripped her dummy was still was in 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:09.800 the tent and it was still warm. 0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:11.040 Oh my god. 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.880 Michael and other campers got torches and went searching in 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.600 the direction Lindy said she had seen the dingo go. 0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:23.480 When I say went searching, just kind of quickly went 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:27.839 off in that direction. But then Michael came back and 0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.239 stayed with Lindy at the campsite. One of the men 0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:33.840 who was helping look found what looked like track marks 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:37.480 just over the sand dune where they were staying, and 0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:39.880 an imprint in the sand that looked like something had 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:43.720 been placed there. Park rangers were called and soon after police, 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:47.000 who would both note that the imprint looked like the 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:53.120 pattern of a knitted or woven garment, okay the police officer. 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.320 A police officer who was there also noted poor prints 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:58.720 and what looked like drag marks in the dirt around 0:38:58.760 --> 0:38:59.160 the tent. 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:04.719 Heartbreaking. Imagine the terror of being a parent when in 0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:06.520 that moment would just be I. 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:11.759 Don't know yet whether you know what the parents might 0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:13.360 have known about this situation. 0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:15.040 Or not, but yeah, yeah, I know. 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:20.400 Other campers said they had seen dingoes that day, like 0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:25.280 at and around that their campground. They were seen following 0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:28.480 campers to bins after they had disposed of food scraps, 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.120 and one family had a dingo come right up to 0:39:31.160 --> 0:39:34.080 their van door around eight pm that night and actually 0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.880 took a photo of it. Eight pm, which is remember 0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:39.120 that time she went to Lindy went to put Asari 0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.080 to bed. She said that she had seen a single 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:46.080 dingo watching their family from a rock kind of above them, 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:48.480 and she pointed it out at the time as being 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.799 really creepy. She would later tell police it was as 0:39:51.800 --> 0:39:53.880 if the dog had been casing the baby. 0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:55.560 Oh my god. 0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:59.879 Three hundred people joined the search for baby Azaria that night. 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:02.120 There were three hundred oil rangers. 0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:07.759 And everyone at the campsite, three hundred, including Aboriginal trackers 0:40:07.760 --> 0:40:12.160 with expertise in dingo tracking. But with all the human footprints, 0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:16.400 they couldn't find any distinguishable tracks. What made the search 0:40:16.480 --> 0:40:19.560 even more desperate, if that's possible, was the fact that 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:23.440 Azaria had been recovering from a cold and given how 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.759 cold the night was, so even though it's really hot 0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:29.680 during the day, exactly, yeah, I think. Yeah. So I 0:40:29.680 --> 0:40:31.239 looked it up and at that time of the year, 0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:34.640 the average overnight temperature is five to six degrees celsius, 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:36.560 which is forty two forty three fahrenheard. 0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:41.280 Yeah, like freezing. Yeah, yeah, not freezing, but very cold. Yeah. 0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:44.560 It was very likely that even if baby Azaria had 0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.320 somehow been dropped by the dingo, she wouldn't survive the 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:50.279 night out in the cold. She was nine weeks old 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:55.080 week with a cold. The Chamberlains remained at the campsite 0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.840 as the hundreds of people searched. Michael commented that Azaria 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:02.399 was likely dead or read and whatever happened was God's will. 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:06.520 Michael said this the dad yeah. On that night, m 0:41:06.680 --> 0:41:07.200 hm oh. 0:41:08.360 --> 0:41:10.920 One person said to Lindy that they thought that people 0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:13.800 were searching too far and should be looking under closer 0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:17.640 scrubs and bushes, to which Lindy replied, I will have 0:41:17.680 --> 0:41:19.680 to live with this the rest of my life, and 0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:21.400 I don't want to think that the baby could have 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:23.799 been out there and simply because we didn't look in 0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:27.799 the right place, it would die. So they did go and. 0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:30.960 We looking to say that night, isn't it yeah to 0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:33.040 say I'm. 0:41:32.840 --> 0:41:35.080 Going to have to live with this forever? We don't 0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:36.319 know she's all. 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:38.600 Right, Yeah, yeah, Okay, that's weird behavior. 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.360 So Michael and Lindy did go and look in the shrub. 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:45.360 They disappeared on their own for about fifteen to twenty minutes, 0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:50.560 there was no sign of her. At one thirty am, 0:41:50.800 --> 0:41:53.840 with no sign of Azaria uncovered at all, the search 0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:55.880 was called off for the night because of just the 0:41:55.960 --> 0:41:59.000 lack of light, and resumed again at five thirty am 0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.680 ah The next day, the tent was examined it revealed 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:09.000 several animal hairs on Azaria's basket and blanket, as well 0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:11.640 as bloodstains on the floor like I said, and some 0:42:12.160 --> 0:42:16.919 items like clothing, a sleeping bag and Azaria's blanket, which 0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:21.120 as I mentioned, had been torn. Yeah, Lindy and Michael 0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:27.240 agreed to front the media. Michael told reporters, quote, thank 0:42:27.280 --> 0:42:29.200 you all of you for the efforts you are making 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.920 to find our baby, although we cannot believe there is 0:42:32.000 --> 0:42:34.799 hope any longer of finding her alive. I am a 0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:38.120 man of God, a minister of religion. I know that 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:40.640 nothing happens in the world unless the Good Lord wills 0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:43.239 it should. I know our baby has passed from us 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:45.920 into heaven. My wife and I must not be sad 0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.759 but jubilant that our little daughter is safe in the 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:50.240 arms of Jesus. 0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:52.360 Was this the next day? When was this? 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:54.839 It was within the next couple of days. I don't 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:57.319 I haven't written down. Sorry, we're exactly when it was. 0:42:58.360 --> 0:43:00.600 Okay, that's an insane thing to say. 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:06.320 I mean, we are famously very much not religious people, 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:12.040 so try to save my judgment. But it is interesting 0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:16.440 from my point of view. He then described how they 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:20.279 knew from the sharp jagged marks in Azari's blanket that 0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:24.319 she had been attacked by a quote very powerful beast. 0:43:25.160 --> 0:43:27.799 In this meta interview, Lindy wore a big, dark pair 0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:31.680 of sunglasses and held Reagan in front of the cameras 0:43:32.200 --> 0:43:34.600 she explained how she had witnessed the dingo emerged from 0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:38.880 the tent. Shortly after putting Azari to Beard. She said, quote, 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.239 there wasn't time to go and tell people. I just 0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:44.680 yelled out the dingo's got my baby. And that's it's 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:47.680 this interview that where that line's become very famous because 0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.160 it wasn't just reports she had yelled that out. She 0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:52.560 said she did. She's wearing the big dark sunglasses. That's 0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:58.799 very famous. Yea infamous probably. Lindy and Michael never joined 0:43:58.840 --> 0:44:02.320 the search efforts again after that first night, and police 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.319 stated that they didn't make any inquiries into how the 0:44:05.360 --> 0:44:09.520 search was going. After two nights. They said they knew 0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:12.040 she wouldn't be found and they wanted to go home. No, 0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.640 They spent the morning of August nineteen praying, then drove 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:20.160 home to Queensland, but not before they stopped to take 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:21.400 some photos around Uluru. 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.080 Photos, family photos. 0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:30.759 Yeah, h none of this went down well with the 0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:35.480 media or the public. Their immediate acceptance of what had 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:40.200 happened to aaria and their composure was seen as, to 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:43.960 put it, lightly, not right, No, not right, and police 0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:47.319 started to wonder about this too. They said she gave, 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:52.360 They said Lindy gave conflicting details to different people, including 0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:54.959 whether she said she saw something in the dingo's mouth 0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:57.400 or not, whether she saw it coming out of the 0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:01.200 tent or just walking away from it. Journalists actually went 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:05.480 and got comments from experts on dingos and dingo behavior, 0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.000 many of whom said it was highly unlikely that a 0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:11.759 dingo would take a baby, although they wouldn't rule out 0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:17.200 the possibility. One of the investigating sergeant that was kind 0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:21.840 of in charge of the investigation at this point strongly 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:25.719 disputed that a dingo would have been capable of carrying 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:28.960 a nine year old baby for any great distance. To 0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:32.160 demonstrate his point, he filled a bucket with sand and 0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:35.239 attempted to lift it in his own mouth and was 0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:37.320 unable to hold it up for longer than a minute. 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:39.720 It's a bizarre way to test that theory. 0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:43.920 Isn't that weird? You're not a dingo? Yeah, weird? 0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:44.200 Weird. 0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:48.360 After three days of searching and no sign of the 0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:51.200 missing baby, it was publicly announced that there was no 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:53.760 possibility of recovering Azaria alive. 0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:54.920 God. 0:45:55.920 --> 0:45:59.400 At the same time, park rangers started shooting dingos and 0:45:59.480 --> 0:46:03.440 while dog around Ularu and then to send their remains 0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:06.560 for analysis in the hopes they might reveal something, and 0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:10.000 like whether there were any contents in their stomachs that 0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:16.080 could reveal something. Exactly one week after Azaria went missing, 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:21.080 something did turn up. A photographer was hiking at Ularo, 0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:25.400 about five kilometers from the campsite and four hundred meters 0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:27.680 from the rock. Lindy said she had seen the creepy 0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:34.239 didn't go. The hiker came across a baby's jumpsuit and 0:46:34.280 --> 0:46:38.560 a torn up disposable nappy. The jumpsuit was crumpled and 0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:42.680 lying face up, with blood visible around the neckline. It 0:46:42.800 --> 0:46:46.520 had pressed studs down the front, all of which appeared 0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:50.280 to the hiker to be undone, and inside the jumpsuit 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:54.319 was a singlet, which was also covered in blood. The 0:46:54.360 --> 0:47:00.759 hiker didn't touch these items. He'd heard about Azari's left 0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:02.440 outw it was and immediately when it got police. 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.360 That's good, yep. Not tampering with evidence. 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:09.480 Well, yes, the hiker didn't, but the police who were 0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:15.560 called picked up the items, finding there were booties inside 0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:18.880 the jumpsuit. As Lindy had described, she addressed to Zaria right. 0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:22.560 One of the sleeves of the jumpsuits had a large rip, 0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:26.040 and the neckline appeared to have been torn or cut, 0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:29.880 but was otherwise intact. The singlet that was found inside 0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:34.400 the jumpsuit had two small punctures through its back, and 0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:38.160 the nappy was torn but contained no bloodstains, and there 0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:40.719 was no evidence of human tissue on any of the items. 0:47:41.320 --> 0:47:45.960 No canine saliva was found either. Oh oh my god, 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:47.760 you're right, Dick. Yeah, it just ran into. 0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:50.360 Ran into it. It's getting he walked into a bin yesterday. 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.880 Good he heard me say, canine salidon? 0:47:55.280 --> 0:47:56.279 Does me? 0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:01.480 It had rained in the twelve hours before the discovery. 0:48:02.200 --> 0:48:03.240 Have you been to Uluru? 0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:05.879 Yeah? Yeah, or the very long time ago though when 0:48:05.880 --> 0:48:07.799 I was I was saying when I was like, really. 0:48:07.520 --> 0:48:12.560 Little, I have been there when it has rained, which 0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:16.279 apparently according to the part ranger there, they say one 0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:18.480 percent of tourists get to see it. 0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:21.799 It was it would have been so beautiful. 0:48:21.920 --> 0:48:28.920 Yeah, maybe I'll post things actually on their Instagram story. 0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:31.120 So if you look up or if you've been and 0:48:31.160 --> 0:48:35.279 seen pictures of Ularu, it is it's always red. It's 0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.799 like this beautiful red color. But in the rain it 0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:41.400 looks like it kind of a gray, looks like a 0:48:41.440 --> 0:48:44.480 completely different color. And now full on waterfall. 0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.840 Like full on waterfalls and with the sun and everything, 0:48:46.880 --> 0:48:47.920 it would be so beautiful. 0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:50.120 Well yeah, I mean there's not much someonhen it's raining, 0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:53.120 yes it comes from the clouds, but it looks completely 0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:56.160 complete beautiful. And it was just so funny cause they 0:48:56.160 --> 0:48:59.239 were like at the whole National Park and all the 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:01.160 places you could stay around, so it's like no one 0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:05.560 had umbrellas at all. So it was like everyone's just 0:49:05.600 --> 0:49:08.040 walking around the rain. It was incredible. Also, do you 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:11.200 know another word for umbrella is bumber stock? No, how 0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:19.000 good's that? Thunder stock found that? Or probably okay, sorry, 0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:23.000 So back to her range, they didn't have their bumber stocks. 0:49:24.840 --> 0:49:28.120 So after real life, the police officer picked up the garments, 0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:30.759 looked inside, found the booties, and then realized he probably 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.800 shouldn't have picked it up, so put it back down 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:36.759 and tried to place it how he'd found it, like 0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:41.399 kind of purposely tried to place it like that right now. 0:49:41.400 --> 0:49:45.760 The media was given permission to broadcast images of the garments, 0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:50.480 which were shown laid outside by side. That led the 0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:53.799 public to question Howard Dingo could remove an infant from 0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:58.480 its clothing while leaving everything relatively intact. So everybody said 0:49:58.480 --> 0:50:00.680 it was there were kind of bite marks and like 0:50:00.719 --> 0:50:01.920 a tear in the sleeve. 0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:06.600 Yeah, what was what was the purpose of showing them 0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:09.719 just an update to the case. I guess it's seeming 0:50:09.840 --> 0:50:12.920 very weird though it showed garments and go, this is 0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:13.960 an update. 0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:16.839 I suppose that was their way of going because there 0:50:16.840 --> 0:50:19.919 was so much Metia attention into it, of going, oh, look, 0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:21.480 there's been this discovery. 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:22.360 Yeah. 0:50:22.480 --> 0:50:28.000 Lindy and Michael Chamberlain learned of the discovery via the news. 0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:32.319 Wow, that's insane, isn't that horrific? Yeah? Yeah, there's been 0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:34.120 an update in the case about their daughter. 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:34.799 Yeah. 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:35.320 Yeah. 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:40.160 A radio journalist called Lindy, and Lindy spoke to her. 0:50:40.760 --> 0:50:43.879 She said she being Lindy said she wasn't surprised by 0:50:43.920 --> 0:50:47.080 the state of her daughter's clothes, as she had previously 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:50.360 seen Dingo's attack cattle and knew what they were capable 0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:54.600 of Lindy said that yep. In a TV interview, she 0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:58.160 calmly explained that dingos used their paws like hands to 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:04.080 peel back the skin of their quote like an orange. Again, 0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:08.040 her saying this and her demeanor while saying it did 0:51:08.080 --> 0:51:10.680 not help people's opinions of her. 0:51:11.239 --> 0:51:13.200 No, because you're talking about your baby. 0:51:13.239 --> 0:51:16.200 Being like killed back like an orange and being like, well, yeah, 0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:18.960 dingoes can use their pause. So yeah, that's what happened. Yeah, 0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:22.959 they undressed her and then ate her about her nine 0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:28.239 week old baby. Investigators kept digging into the case. They 0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:31.360 spoke to a doctor who had treated Azaria shortly before 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:34.239 their trip. I assume for the cold, but I could 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:37.560 didn't find out why. And this doctor said he had 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:42.240 been concerned as Lindy hadn't fed her for eight hours 0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:46.040 and this was the day of the checkup. He also 0:51:46.120 --> 0:51:48.840 noted that he was horrified that Azaria was dressed in 0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:51.120 all black at the checkup. 0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:52.839 Okay, very rare. 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:56.839 Bare I look at that and go, well, sure, why 0:51:57.239 --> 0:52:00.880 why not? But but they never are babies never. 0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:03.800 Never a black Melbourne babies are. 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:08.840 Very true. A little north phone's puffer jacket. Now this 0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:11.600 is where the name and the origin of the name 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:16.799 Azaria first come into it. This doctor told police that 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.160 he had looked up the meaning of the name Azaria, 0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:23.600 and in a book of baby names, discovered that Azaria 0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:30.280 means sacrifice in the wilderness. What The investigating police officer 0:52:30.360 --> 0:52:32.839 tried to find the book the doctor had read this in, 0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:35.760 but the only copy in the local library had been lost. 0:52:36.960 --> 0:52:40.400 Sacrifice in the wilderness. Oh my god. 0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:42.759 So when you were like, Asari is interesting, what does 0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:45.239 that mean? It was like, hold, hold, hold, we'll get there. 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:52.200 You went wait, wait, The investigator noted to other pivotal things. 0:52:52.200 --> 0:52:54.520 I mean, I'm calling these the two. Obviously there were 0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:56.440 there were lots of things investigated, but I'm pulling out 0:52:56.440 --> 0:53:00.560 two pivotal things. He concluded that the blanket that was 0:53:00.680 --> 0:53:03.600 ripped was too thick to have been done so by 0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:07.600 canine teeth, and it appeared that it had been cut 0:53:08.239 --> 0:53:09.839 rather than bitter. 0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:11.560 That's a difference. 0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:16.600 Yeah. The second thing he noted was that the discovery 0:53:16.600 --> 0:53:19.840 of Azaria's clothes that week later had been at the 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:22.759 exact site the Chamberlain's had already admitted to going to 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:26.920 that day. Oh so got the day that she taken. 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:34.520 So the investigation continued, and I've pulled out some notable 0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:37.880 parts in my humble opinion, is it in my humble 0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:40.960 opinion or in my honest opinion, I am a joe. 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:42.360 Is that I think you're saying. 0:53:43.800 --> 0:53:46.520 But I am ah joe. I suppose it comeni the. 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:48.680 Kind of my honest opinion. Yeah, I think in my 0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:49.719 honest opinions. 0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:52.840 I think maybe that's a bit of a something that's 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:57.160 said incorrectly. People going my honest opinion, an honest opinion, 0:53:57.760 --> 0:54:01.040 an opinion in his opinion. Sorry, every so off And 0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:04.680 I just like to just dissect the English language, all right, 0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:10.200 So some notable parts. Investigators seized Lindy's clothes from a 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:14.479 dry cleaner, so clothes that she'd had on the troop. 0:54:14.840 --> 0:54:17.200 Her friend had taken to the dry cleaner for her, 0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:20.280 and the friend apparently told police that she had noticed 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:23.800 bloodstains on the tracksuit plant pants. So these were seized. 0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:29.640 Tests were done with Dingo's at wildlife reserves. They were 0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:34.719 given meat indisposable nappies. These were torn to shreds, so 0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:37.600 in this in these experiments, the nappies were torn to shreds. 0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.480 Much can use the police chief to put in his mouth. 0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:43.160 Well in his nappy. Yeah, I think it was his 0:54:43.239 --> 0:54:46.560 disposed were nappy they used it. Yeah, there was much 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:49.480 more damage to that nappy than had there had been 0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:50.400 at the one founder. 0:54:50.200 --> 0:54:52.120 ULARU okay, sure. 0:54:52.840 --> 0:54:57.759 Another experiment had a goat. This is just yucky and weird. 0:54:58.080 --> 0:55:01.759 A goat's carcass dressed as Azaria would have been so 0:55:01.800 --> 0:55:08.759 like wearing a singlet, a jumpsuit, everything, nappy, And when 0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:11.600 this one was given to a single dingo, the nappy 0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:13.960 was in much the same state as the one that 0:55:13.960 --> 0:55:17.279 had been found. The jumpsuit was torn and chewed on, 0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:20.040 but the dingo managed to get the goat carcass out 0:55:20.080 --> 0:55:23.440 without undoing the jumpsuit. Oh yeah, so it was kind 0:55:23.480 --> 0:55:26.560 of the meat in the nappies was like, well, no, 0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:29.759 definitely not. That's torn to shreds. That couldn't have been 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:33.160 the case. But then this one with the goats carcass 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:35.719 in it kind of was like, oh, okay, maybe it 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:41.040 is possible. Lindy and Michael were formally interviewed by police. 0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:46.000 They said the fact that Lindy hadn't heard Azaria cry 0:55:46.239 --> 0:55:50.839 is what made so they being Lindy and Michael said 0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:55.120 the reason they staunchly and kind of straightaway believed that 0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:59.040 she was dead. Is because that when Lindy was walking 0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:02.000 towards the tent saw a dingo walking away, she didn't 0:56:02.040 --> 0:56:05.799 hear Azaria crying, so she's gone. Well, I know that 0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:08.000 the dingo took the baby out of the tent and 0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:13.440 the baby wasn't crying, so I concluded she was dead already, right, okay, okay. 0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:20.440 And Lindy insisted over and over that baby Azaria had 0:56:20.440 --> 0:56:23.719 been wearing the white and yellow matinee jacket that had 0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:27.800 never been found on September two, So it was August 0:56:27.840 --> 0:56:31.280 sixteen that and this happened. On September two, police announced 0:56:31.280 --> 0:56:35.239 that they would be an official inquiry into Azaria's disappearance. 0:56:36.600 --> 0:56:40.560 While no charges were laid, the chamberlains were terrorized by 0:56:40.560 --> 0:56:41.800 the media and the public. 0:56:42.040 --> 0:56:44.520 Yeah, and they're back in Queensland at this point there, yes, yeah, 0:56:44.760 --> 0:56:45.160 back home. 0:56:45.320 --> 0:56:48.360 Their home was staked out. People were honking and yelling 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:51.440 at all times of the night. Tabloid magazines were running 0:56:51.600 --> 0:56:56.640 gross headlines. Theories included that the parents had killed Azaria 0:56:56.800 --> 0:57:00.560 because she was sick or possibly disabled, or that one 0:57:00.600 --> 0:57:02.800 of the brothers had killed her and they were covering 0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:08.239 for them. It's exactly exactly. I wonder if that's kind 0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:10.920 of why that theory came about, because that's a theory 0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:14.840 in John Burney as well. The family's religion and church 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:19.480 came under intense scrutiny and judgment. A lot of misinformation 0:57:19.680 --> 0:57:22.600 swirled about the church, which I mean there still is. 0:57:23.360 --> 0:57:28.200 It's not kind of widely understood or known about, certainly not. 0:57:28.280 --> 0:57:32.320 In nineteen eighty, misinformation went around that their church was 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:35.920 linked to the People's Temple of the Disciples of Christ 0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:42.480 two years earlier. The leader of that church, Jim Jones. 0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:46.320 Do you recognize that now ordered the mass murder of 0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:48.040 his followers at Jonestown. 0:57:48.240 --> 0:57:48.400 Oh? 0:57:49.560 --> 0:57:53.360 Do Jonestown as an episode another time? So this false 0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:57.400 connection to that church led to speculation that Azaria had 0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:02.880 been murdered as a human sacrifice, and the fact that 0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:06.520 Lindy had been dressing Azari in black was a recognition 0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:11.000 of her sacrificial status. Now, Lindy was a seamstress, as 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:13.360 we said, and often drew criticism for the clothes that 0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:16.360 she would make and wear. Being the pastor's wife, people 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:18.720 thought she shouldn't dress so boldly. She made a lot 0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:22.600 of big, colorful clothes in bold colors and that were 0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:25.960 not seen as kind of traditional. She made dozens of 0:58:26.000 --> 0:58:29.760 outfits for Azaria in you know, even just she'd only 0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:33.440 been alive nine weeks and she had made the black outfit. 0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:35.600 She'd actually made that for Reagan, and Nazari got it 0:58:35.640 --> 0:58:38.040 as a hand me down. It was revealed that the 0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:40.520 first time she had dressed Azaria in this black outfit, 0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:45.040 she herself wore a matching black and red outfit, which 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:48.080 had been negatively commented on at the time. So that's 0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:51.160 why this came out because people were like, oh my god, 0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:56.320 hang on, maybe they're linked to this kind of sacrificial 0:58:56.400 --> 0:58:59.080 cult thing. Remember when she wore black and dressed her 0:58:59.120 --> 0:59:03.360 baby in black? How it was that the whole Chamberlain 0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:06.320 family and their church were being tormented daily. There were 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:09.080 death threats, there was red paint strewing across their home, 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:12.240 and the church people would howl at them on the street. 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:16.240 One of the most disturbing parts I find is that 0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:19.240 seven year old Aiden was approached by a random lady 0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:21.960 on the street one day, demanding he'd tell her the 0:59:21.960 --> 0:59:26.440 truth about what had happened seven year old Stop is 0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:32.080 that Lindy spoke about the treatment in an interview. Again, 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:35.000 this didn't help seem to help people warm to her. 0:59:35.600 --> 0:59:37.760 She did lots of media interviews and she was always 0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:40.840 having a go at how she was being treated, and 0:59:40.880 --> 0:59:42.920 this just made people dislike her even more. 0:59:44.120 --> 0:59:45.400 If she's not talking about. 0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:49.920 It's like she's stopped doing media interviews to say leave 0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:53.200 us alone. When you're not, we don't feel like you 0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:58.640 care about this. The coronial inquest began in October of 0:59:58.640 --> 1:00:02.760 that year. While it was on newspaper sales were up 1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:04.720 forty thousand dollars a day. 1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:08.280 Forty thousand dollars a day. Yes, in the eighties. 1:00:08.480 --> 1:00:14.240 It was a media circuits wow, right, So notable parts 1:00:14.280 --> 1:00:18.560 of the inquiry. Lindy was described as a loving and 1:00:18.640 --> 1:00:21.280 caring mother, that she was thirty two at the time, 1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:26.840 I think, and noted that it's yeah, yeah. Bomb threats 1:00:26.840 --> 1:00:29.240 were made to the motel the Chamberlains were staying in 1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:32.280 during the inquest. So the inquest was in the Northern Territories, 1:00:32.760 --> 1:00:34.520 they were up there for it. Bomb threats were made 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:37.120 to the motel they were staying in, and one direct 1:00:37.200 --> 1:00:40.280 death threat against Lindy was actually phoned into the court. 1:00:40.440 --> 1:00:42.240 My god, in. 1:00:42.200 --> 1:00:45.600 The inquiry, the true meaning of Azaria's name was discussed. 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:50.440 The parents said it meant blessed by God. A Hebrew 1:00:50.560 --> 1:00:53.920 Studies expert dispelled the rumor that it meant sacrifice in 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:58.720 the wilderness for what it's worth, I looked it up 1:00:59.640 --> 1:01:03.960 when I mean, there wasn't Google in nineteen eighty, but 1:01:04.080 --> 1:01:06.680 just for what it's worth for interests sake. The website 1:01:06.720 --> 1:01:10.880 The Bump, which has you know baby named meanings, says 1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:17.520 quote Azaria means helped by God or Yahweh was helped 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:23.080 delivered from the biblical name Azariah, combining azar which means help, 1:01:23.120 --> 1:01:26.880 and Yah, which means God. Though masculine in the Bible, 1:01:27.040 --> 1:01:31.120 Azaria is often used for girls today, symbolizing divine assistance, 1:01:31.560 --> 1:01:34.840 and famously became known in Australia due to the Chamberlain case. 1:01:35.440 --> 1:01:38.120 Despite and this says on the website, despite false claims 1:01:38.160 --> 1:01:41.600 it meant sacrifice in the wilderness, so that claim was 1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:45.840 never backed up. They said it meant blessed by God, 1:01:45.920 --> 1:01:49.920 and Hebrew studies experts he does mean blessed. 1:01:49.640 --> 1:01:51.120 By yeah yeah wow. 1:01:52.240 --> 1:01:55.080 Also in the inquiry, Dingo experts said studies found the 1:01:55.120 --> 1:01:58.120 animals could carry up to nine kilos in their mouth 1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:01.240 for long distances, so old mat carrying a bucket of 1:02:01.280 --> 1:02:07.040 sand in his mouth that was dispelled. An experts said 1:02:07.360 --> 1:02:11.400 a solitary dingo could consume a mammal of Azaria's weight 1:02:11.560 --> 1:02:15.120 in under twenty minutes or even faster. If pears or 1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:20.840 groups of dingoes were involved, they usually consumed their prey entirely, 1:02:21.120 --> 1:02:23.680 making it really hard to identify a location where the 1:02:23.720 --> 1:02:30.720 feed took place. So if Azari had been taken by 1:02:30.760 --> 1:02:33.200 a dingo, it was highly unlikely any trace of her 1:02:33.200 --> 1:02:35.720 body would ever be found more than half an hour 1:02:35.840 --> 1:02:40.720 after disappearance. Their digestion is ten to twenty four hours, 1:02:40.800 --> 1:02:43.520 so even when you know, I said, in the days 1:02:43.560 --> 1:02:46.960 following they were shooting dingos and taking them for examination 1:02:47.240 --> 1:02:47.600 too late. 1:02:47.640 --> 1:02:48.000 Anyway. 1:02:49.520 --> 1:02:52.920 He described the dingos around Uluru as particularly dangerous as 1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:55.600 they maintained their hunting skills as they got in the 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:59.800 wild while also being fed by tourists, resulting in a 1:02:59.800 --> 1:03:03.840 situation where they were not tame but also not quite wild. 1:03:04.520 --> 1:03:08.440 That's really interesting. Yeah, yeah, And that's why they're watching 1:03:08.480 --> 1:03:10.640 and everything, because they're waiting. Yes. 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:14.280 This expert also dismissed any of the experiments that were 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:18.280 conducted with dingos at zoos and wildlife reserves, because captive 1:03:18.320 --> 1:03:20.920 dingoes exhibit very different behaviors from wild ones. 1:03:21.280 --> 1:03:22.000 Okay sure. 1:03:22.480 --> 1:03:25.600 His report concluded that a dingo could have taken a baby, 1:03:25.840 --> 1:03:30.880 removed its clothing and consumed it whole with ease. Wow, 1:03:31.080 --> 1:03:35.240 that's kind of shocking. Clothing just seems I've got an 1:03:35.280 --> 1:03:38.800 image of all dingo like a bluey character. Yeah yeah, 1:03:39.080 --> 1:03:41.240 just like unzipping a little babies jump soon and stuff. 1:03:41.400 --> 1:03:45.880 I don't think that's what. The coroner made an Australian 1:03:46.080 --> 1:03:51.120 first decision in allowing his findings to be broadcast live. 1:03:52.120 --> 1:03:54.360 He said it was I'll say the quote later, but 1:03:54.600 --> 1:03:57.480 this was He was like, right, I'm just gonna let 1:03:57.520 --> 1:03:59.800 everyone listen to this and watch on TV live, so 1:04:00.080 --> 1:04:02.200 we just get this over and done with. The media 1:04:02.280 --> 1:04:05.280 circus was so wild. He was like, right, everyone can 1:04:05.280 --> 1:04:06.880 sit at home and listen to exactly what I have 1:04:06.960 --> 1:04:11.720 to say and then we move on. The coroner concluded 1:04:11.920 --> 1:04:16.400 that Azaria had been taken by a dingo. Lindy nor 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:23.320 Michael were responsible in any way. But if you are all, oh, 1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:28.600 hang on, sorry finished this. He did find that the 1:04:28.640 --> 1:04:31.920 tears in the blanket were consistent with a sharp object 1:04:32.080 --> 1:04:36.400 such as scissors, and that there had been soil found 1:04:36.520 --> 1:04:39.360 in the clothing. Sorry soil in the clothing. 1:04:39.040 --> 1:04:41.320 That had been found dirt from there. 1:04:42.160 --> 1:04:45.200 He said there was a possibility that an unknown person 1:04:45.440 --> 1:04:48.920 could have come across the dingo with Azaria and tried 1:04:49.040 --> 1:04:53.880 to rescue her, then finding she was dead, possibly buried her, 1:04:54.440 --> 1:04:57.280 but later got out the items of clothing to leave 1:04:57.400 --> 1:05:02.120 for a hiker to find. This was just a kind 1:05:02.160 --> 1:05:04.480 of a speculation and if it wasn't, this is what 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:08.640 I've decided. This could have happened, but very much said 1:05:08.920 --> 1:05:12.880 a dingo took her and Lindy and Michael were not involved. 1:05:14.000 --> 1:05:16.400 The coroner was very critical of the fact that numerous 1:05:16.440 --> 1:05:20.280 dingo attacks hadn't sparked rangers to do more to protect tourists, 1:05:20.320 --> 1:05:23.640 and he made some recommendations around this. He addressed the 1:05:23.720 --> 1:05:28.920 Chamberlain's directly, saying to you, Pastor and Missus Chamberlain, and 1:05:29.040 --> 1:05:31.960 through you to Aiden and Reagan, may I extend my 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:35.280 deepest sympathy. You have not only suffered the loss of 1:05:35.320 --> 1:05:38.680 your beloved child in the most tragic circumstances, you have 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:42.720 all been subjected to months of innuendo's, suspicion and probably 1:05:42.720 --> 1:05:46.680 the most malicious gossip ever witnessed in this country. I 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:49.520 have taken the unusual step of permitting these proceedings to 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:52.680 be televised today in the hope that by direct and 1:05:52.800 --> 1:05:57.440 accurate communication, such innuendos, suspicion and gossip may cease. 1:05:58.240 --> 1:06:01.960 That's really good, you know. With the judge decided that's 1:06:02.000 --> 1:06:03.520 a really good thing to do. 1:06:04.400 --> 1:06:05.920 We were out of bad. 1:06:06.000 --> 1:06:06.880 Let's take a quick way. 1:06:06.960 --> 1:06:21.080 Let's take a boy now. Northern Argy police weren't happy 1:06:21.240 --> 1:06:25.080 about the criticism from the coroner nor the findings handed out. 1:06:25.800 --> 1:06:29.240 They actually told the media that the case would remain open. 1:06:29.800 --> 1:06:31.920 It just wasn't being actively investigated. 1:06:32.240 --> 1:06:32.560 Okay. 1:06:32.640 --> 1:06:35.360 So the thing with that, we've discussed this in other 1:06:35.400 --> 1:06:39.440 cases before, but a coroner's inquest in Australia, I'm not 1:06:39.440 --> 1:06:43.280 sure about anywhere else. It is a legal thing. It's 1:06:43.280 --> 1:06:48.280 obviously in a court, but the coroner makes recommendations and 1:06:48.320 --> 1:06:52.000 then the public prosecutor can decide to lay charges or 1:06:52.080 --> 1:06:56.440 not based on that. So the coroner saying yes, it 1:06:56.480 --> 1:06:59.600 was definitely didn't go We're not investigating any people. That 1:06:59.640 --> 1:07:04.680 doesn't actually have the like authority to close a case. 1:07:05.080 --> 1:07:08.080 The prosecutor and police can decide to keep it open 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:12.040 and say they're not taking the coroner's recommendations. I mean, 1:07:12.080 --> 1:07:15.240 they did take the recommendations in not laying charges against 1:07:15.360 --> 1:07:20.720 Lindy Chamberlain, but didn't actually close the case, right, Okay, 1:07:20.960 --> 1:07:26.560 just interesting. Yeah. Now, later that year, a British forensic 1:07:26.600 --> 1:07:30.640 scientist brought forward new information he had gone on and 1:07:30.720 --> 1:07:33.880 examined this case on his own, and he found there 1:07:33.960 --> 1:07:36.840 was an incision at the He like did a full 1:07:36.840 --> 1:07:38.200 deep dive of investigation in his. 1:07:38.160 --> 1:07:40.280 Own from it. He came over to do it or 1:07:40.320 --> 1:07:40.640 it was. 1:07:40.600 --> 1:07:43.560 Like, well that I don't know, I. 1:07:43.520 --> 1:07:45.320 Shouldn't pull you up on it. I'm so sorry you 1:07:45.360 --> 1:07:45.920 didn't pull me. 1:07:45.920 --> 1:07:47.960 Up on it. You're just asking a question and for 1:07:48.000 --> 1:07:52.240 that I love him. He hadn't been involved in the 1:07:52.960 --> 1:07:56.680 like the initial investigation or coroner's inquiry, but he kind 1:07:56.720 --> 1:07:59.439 of decided to look into on his own and he 1:07:59.520 --> 1:08:04.520 found on the jumpsuit of Azaria's that was found. 1:08:04.280 --> 1:08:07.560 Was found there was a. 1:08:08.280 --> 1:08:11.440 This British guy found that there was an incision at 1:08:11.480 --> 1:08:14.760 the neck of the jumpsuit that hadn't been investigated, and 1:08:14.840 --> 1:08:18.040 he believed that was consistent with having been cut by 1:08:18.120 --> 1:08:23.560 scissors or caused like an incision caused by scissors. He 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:27.720 instrument if you will, I will, and you will. He 1:08:27.760 --> 1:08:30.759 also found what he believed to be a small human 1:08:31.000 --> 1:08:35.519 adult handprint in the bloodstains. He claimed that there was 1:08:35.560 --> 1:08:38.720 a distinct possibility that Azaria's clothes had been buried and 1:08:38.760 --> 1:08:41.360 then later dug up and placed near the walking track 1:08:41.439 --> 1:08:44.040 to be found. He was of the opinion that a 1:08:44.120 --> 1:08:49.120 dingo was not involved at all. On September nineteen, nineteen 1:08:49.280 --> 1:08:53.679 eighty one, so thirteen months after, oh yeah, after Azari 1:08:53.800 --> 1:08:57.080 went missing, it was announced that the investigation was being 1:08:57.280 --> 1:09:01.559 actively reopened, actively opening yup, So they were actually going 1:09:01.640 --> 1:09:03.519 to start investigating again. 1:09:03.880 --> 1:09:05.760 So the Lindy's walking free. 1:09:06.080 --> 1:09:09.439 Yeah absolutely, yeah, got no capability in the eyes. 1:09:09.240 --> 1:09:11.519 Of the dingoes. Are breathing a cyghber relief as well. 1:09:11.520 --> 1:09:16.519 Correct. When informed of this development and the fact that 1:09:16.560 --> 1:09:20.640 it was due to this British forensic what did I 1:09:20.640 --> 1:09:26.160 say he was yes, forensic scientist, Lindy responded coolly. I 1:09:26.200 --> 1:09:29.960 didn't know there were any dingo experts in London. Wow, 1:09:30.520 --> 1:09:34.280 that's a bit of a bad bitch like this forensic 1:09:34.320 --> 1:09:36.800 experts found that the Dingo's definitely didn't do this right around. 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:39.080 It's interesting. Didn't know there were any in London for 1:09:39.120 --> 1:09:43.360 this native Australian animal that Australian researchers don't know much about. 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:45.719 That's so interesting. Yeah. Wow. 1:09:47.360 --> 1:09:51.400 So when the investigation was reopened, the family's car was 1:09:51.400 --> 1:09:56.000 taken in for testing, which hadn't hadn't been before, and 1:09:56.200 --> 1:09:59.960 what was found was a sticky substance under the dashboard. 1:10:01.200 --> 1:10:04.559 Forensics said it wouldn't be blood as it would have dried. 1:10:04.600 --> 1:10:08.040 Blood would have dried much more than that. Well yeah, yeah, 1:10:08.200 --> 1:10:11.840 but they did find confirmed blood stains in other parts 1:10:11.840 --> 1:10:15.759 of the car. During a search of the chamberlain's house, 1:10:15.840 --> 1:10:19.479 police also seized a small coffin that Michael had used 1:10:19.479 --> 1:10:22.799 as a prop during an anti smoking campaign at the church. 1:10:24.200 --> 1:10:26.640 Although it was dismissed as having anything to do with 1:10:26.800 --> 1:10:31.240 Azari's case, word of the fact that it existed and 1:10:31.360 --> 1:10:33.920 in the house got out and the rumor meal all 1:10:33.920 --> 1:10:34.760 went mad. 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:37.559 It's not a good look. And also as are wearing 1:10:37.680 --> 1:10:40.639 black and everything as well. It's got some really, there's 1:10:40.680 --> 1:10:42.240 some strange undertones happening here. 1:10:42.439 --> 1:10:46.120 Yeah. On November eighteen, that same year nineteen eighty one, 1:10:46.200 --> 1:10:49.360 it was announced that, based on new evidence, the findings 1:10:49.439 --> 1:10:54.000 of the previous coronial inquest had been quashed and a 1:10:54.040 --> 1:10:59.200 new coronial inquest had been so they essentially said, we 1:10:59.240 --> 1:11:02.240 think there's enough new the information or new evidence now 1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:05.680 not to lay charges, but to have another inquest to 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:07.320 see if we could lay. 1:11:07.200 --> 1:11:10.560 Charges would be pretty uncommon as well very. 1:11:10.520 --> 1:11:12.840 I mean, I'm sure there will have been, but I 1:11:12.880 --> 1:11:17.040 can't remember a time where there have been like immediately 1:11:17.200 --> 1:11:21.040 within one year to coronial inquiries into the same thing. 1:11:21.240 --> 1:11:25.200 Like usually even when there is a second coronial investigation 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:28.120 after one has already been, it's years and years and 1:11:28.200 --> 1:11:29.880 years later when they go we'll hang on, Like with 1:11:29.960 --> 1:11:33.160 the when we spoke about the claimont killer, Yes, years 1:11:33.160 --> 1:11:34.960 like there are few because it was like, right, well 1:11:35.000 --> 1:11:37.920 there have been changes to DNA and forensics and stuff. 1:11:38.320 --> 1:11:41.800 This is just within a year they've gone, no, we reckon, 1:11:41.800 --> 1:11:44.840 there's enough to do an inquiry again. Now. 1:11:44.920 --> 1:11:48.960 I don't think even Feathers McGraw had another coronial inquest 1:11:49.080 --> 1:11:50.120 after the wrong trousers. 1:11:50.120 --> 1:11:51.760 I don't think you did well they were the wrong 1:11:51.800 --> 1:11:55.920 trousers that it was confirmed then it was proven that 1:11:55.960 --> 1:12:00.240 they were the wrong trib You've just got it Walked 1:12:00.400 --> 1:12:01.160 twenty twenty six. 1:12:01.200 --> 1:12:06.920 You've done just got that episode I call it would 1:12:06.920 --> 1:12:10.400 be these surfer boys on Philip Island that their their 1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:14.080 thing became calling each other a grommet. I hate that, 1:12:15.040 --> 1:12:15.600 you grom it. 1:12:16.439 --> 1:12:20.200 Oh, it's like a surfer words better than saying that, 1:12:21.400 --> 1:12:22.800 well to you. Do you have any words like that 1:12:22.800 --> 1:12:24.120 that really like scratch your brain? 1:12:24.120 --> 1:12:27.360 Wrong? Um? No, not really No, I don't. I don't 1:12:27.400 --> 1:12:29.960 have one. That kind of irks me. You would have lots. 1:12:32.080 --> 1:12:35.000 That's mostly the pronunciations of things, But that word itself, 1:12:35.000 --> 1:12:39.760 I hate. What's your favorite word? No, it's not, No, 1:12:39.880 --> 1:12:40.200 it's not. 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:46.280 I would I like the word thoroughly like not. 1:12:46.400 --> 1:12:48.200 You'd love the musical Thoroughly Modern. I do. 1:12:48.240 --> 1:12:49.240 That's my favorite musical of all. 1:12:49.400 --> 1:12:49.640 How does it? 1:12:50.479 --> 1:12:56.839 Hello, thorough, that's too meet you. Let's look through this thoroughly. 1:12:57.960 --> 1:13:00.640 Let's go with you. 1:13:02.479 --> 1:13:06.320 Hallow, I'm thorough that's great. Yeah, not Hallow, I'm Millie. No, 1:13:08.240 --> 1:13:10.200 that's actually beautiful and I can't wait to see that 1:13:10.240 --> 1:13:13.519 when it comes back. Thoroughly Modern thorough comes back to 1:13:13.560 --> 1:13:19.960 Australia next year. Right new inquest was ordered and it 1:13:20.040 --> 1:13:23.400 started almost a year after the first had so within 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:27.280 the year notable moments that came out in this in 1:13:27.680 --> 1:13:32.080 coronial inquiry. DNA testing wasn't around yet in nine and anyone, 1:13:32.360 --> 1:13:34.919 So the blood stains in the car couldn't be tested 1:13:35.240 --> 1:13:38.360 to match part of me. It made a noise, and 1:13:38.400 --> 1:13:41.880 I said part of me couldn't be tested to like 1:13:41.960 --> 1:13:44.080 match to see whose they were. 1:13:44.360 --> 1:13:44.880 It was. 1:13:46.439 --> 1:13:49.840 The ones that were confirmed blood stains. Who could see 1:13:49.920 --> 1:13:52.360 that it was human blood obviously, so that was confirmed, 1:13:52.520 --> 1:13:55.439 but the sticky substance couldn't be really proven what it was, 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:57.200 and he couldn't see whose blood it was. 1:13:57.320 --> 1:13:57.880 Yeah, okay. 1:13:58.400 --> 1:14:01.599 The Chamberlain said that one of the sons regularly got 1:14:01.680 --> 1:14:05.880 blood noses regularly and they had also once picked up 1:14:05.880 --> 1:14:09.360 an injured hitch hiker in that car, So any kind 1:14:09.360 --> 1:14:11.040 of small bloodstains in the car, they were saying, well 1:14:11.040 --> 1:14:16.759 that their potential answers for that. The bloodstains on Lindy's 1:14:16.800 --> 1:14:18.920 track soup pans, remember I spoke about how they were 1:14:18.920 --> 1:14:23.640 seized from the dry cleaner, she maintained, and people in 1:14:23.680 --> 1:14:26.880 the caravan parkers or in the campsite said she hadn't 1:14:26.880 --> 1:14:29.479 been had not been wearing them when Azaria went missing. 1:14:30.840 --> 1:14:33.559 It was suggested that she could have changed into them 1:14:33.560 --> 1:14:35.559 when she was back in the tent so that she 1:14:35.600 --> 1:14:38.439 wouldn't get blood on the sun dress that she was wearing. 1:14:38.840 --> 1:14:42.120 So it was kind of put to the coronial inquiry. Well, yeah, 1:14:42.160 --> 1:14:45.360 she left the barbecue area in a sundress, put on 1:14:45.400 --> 1:14:48.599 different clothes to kill her baby, and then change back 1:14:48.600 --> 1:14:49.400 into the sundress. 1:14:49.400 --> 1:14:51.840 It's all about timeline, like do you know how much 1:14:51.920 --> 1:14:52.760 time that was? 1:14:52.960 --> 1:14:54.400 In? Six to ten minutes? 1:14:55.280 --> 1:14:59.000 So it was quite a long time, yes, But there. 1:14:58.920 --> 1:15:01.400 Was also like she was putting a baby down. It's 1:15:01.439 --> 1:15:03.320 all like, this is the this is kind of what's 1:15:03.320 --> 1:15:05.639 come up through all that. She was gone from six 1:15:05.680 --> 1:15:08.960 to ten minutes. Between six and ten minutes when she 1:15:09.040 --> 1:15:11.439 was putting the baby down, so sorry, not when she 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:14.760 walked off and said, oh my god, Dingo's got my baby. Yeah. 1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:17.760 The suggestion is that she took Azaria to the tent, 1:15:19.080 --> 1:15:22.519 killed her, came back, and then later went to. 1:15:22.520 --> 1:15:24.599 Check on her and was like, oh no, she's crying. 1:15:24.680 --> 1:15:27.200 Sound well yeap, okay. 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:32.920 It's still about a third to guy Buckalen. Yeah, so 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:35.200 she hadn't been wearing the track pans. It was suggested 1:15:35.200 --> 1:15:38.200 she could have changed into them. She said in the 1:15:38.240 --> 1:15:41.360 Cronyal inquiry she did in fact change into them that night, 1:15:41.560 --> 1:15:45.360 but not until ten pm when she got cold. So 1:15:45.880 --> 1:15:49.040 Azaria was notice missing at eight and she said, no, 1:15:49.040 --> 1:15:50.840 it wasn't until later that I changed into them, and 1:15:50.880 --> 1:15:54.320 she denied seeing any bloodstains on them then or when 1:15:54.360 --> 1:15:58.439 she got her friend take them to the cleaner. Ummm 1:15:59.479 --> 1:16:02.360 now for ends also coming up in this inquiry, forensic 1:16:02.400 --> 1:16:05.439 experts said that stains in the car under the dash, 1:16:05.600 --> 1:16:07.599 so the ones that they couldn't confirm whether blood they 1:16:07.640 --> 1:16:10.880 were blood or not it was blood or not, could 1:16:11.280 --> 1:16:15.000 have been consistent with a baby's throat being slit. 1:16:15.479 --> 1:16:18.840 Oh my god in the car. Yeah, yes, yeah, okay. 1:16:19.120 --> 1:16:20.840 There was also now I don't know why I haven't 1:16:21.000 --> 1:16:23.680 put this in a dot point, I might have in 1:16:23.760 --> 1:16:27.360 my camp later, but there was also something about a 1:16:27.400 --> 1:16:30.400 pair of nail scissors found in the car with blood 1:16:30.439 --> 1:16:32.920 blood human blood stains on them as well. Sure, so 1:16:33.000 --> 1:16:34.599 this kind of became the theory. 1:16:34.840 --> 1:16:35.519 Yes, okay. 1:16:36.880 --> 1:16:41.240 Now. The coroner found that while the evidence was largely circumstantial, 1:16:42.000 --> 1:16:47.719 he believed a properly instructed jury could arrive at a verdict. Right, 1:16:48.040 --> 1:16:51.320 He did not believe the evidence suggested a dingo was involved, 1:16:51.920 --> 1:16:55.000 but that it was consistent with a human killing and 1:16:55.080 --> 1:16:57.040 burying Azaria in her clothing. 1:16:57.280 --> 1:17:00.439 God, there's a completely different from the opposite. Opposite. 1:17:00.640 --> 1:17:02.400 Yeah, yeah, I feel like kind of just goes to 1:17:02.439 --> 1:17:05.120 show you. It depends what experts you bring forward exactly. 1:17:05.960 --> 1:17:07.160 It wasn't from the UK, was he? 1:17:07.760 --> 1:17:14.560 Well, all those dinger experts. The coroner then formally charged 1:17:14.840 --> 1:17:18.080 Lindy Chamberlain with the murder of her nine week old 1:17:18.160 --> 1:17:22.160 daughter and Michael Chamberlain with being an accessory to murder. 1:17:22.200 --> 1:17:24.800 After the fact, this is just thirteen months after the 1:17:24.840 --> 1:17:26.280 first did you say, sorry? 1:17:26.320 --> 1:17:28.599 No, it was within a year after the first, So 1:17:28.640 --> 1:17:31.160 I hang on, when did I say it started in November? 1:17:33.280 --> 1:17:35.920 I've just said it started almost a year, not even 1:17:35.920 --> 1:17:38.840 like just over a year, not not over a year after. 1:17:39.280 --> 1:17:41.599 So they're breathing easy for that time and then it's like. 1:17:41.640 --> 1:17:43.439 No except for the fact that they're baby's missing. 1:17:43.479 --> 1:17:45.840 Sure, sure, but I mean if they're guilty. 1:17:46.120 --> 1:17:49.679 Correct, Yeah, I mean, yeah, they've gone well a coronial 1:17:49.680 --> 1:17:52.800 inquest has val had nothing to do it few wow, 1:17:53.000 --> 1:17:59.240 and now they have been charged formally charged with murder. 1:18:00.240 --> 1:18:05.640 Casually charged, not smart casually definitely not casually. 1:18:05.680 --> 1:18:06.920 Definitely not casually charged. 1:18:07.040 --> 1:18:09.400 I couldn't even think of what the word for opposite 1:18:09.439 --> 1:18:12.600 of formally, well, what would be? As you guys know 1:18:12.720 --> 1:18:14.759 from how I like to go dress at the airport, 1:18:15.120 --> 1:18:21.879 I don't know a casual exist. This is pearls, sitting up, 1:18:22.120 --> 1:18:24.480 stroking my pearls and drinking my shunder. 1:18:24.800 --> 1:18:28.720 Take three hours the metal detectives. 1:18:28.439 --> 1:18:34.479 Yes, from all my jewels. Okay. They both pleaded not 1:18:34.520 --> 1:18:37.519 guilty and they were granted bail on a ten thousand 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:40.479 dollars surety. Now this did not go down well that 1:18:40.520 --> 1:18:46.080 they were allowed bail at all. How much bail wass. 1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:47.880 Okay, not much for but yeah, that's not murder. 1:18:48.080 --> 1:18:50.519 It must have been more of a thing in the eighties. 1:18:50.560 --> 1:18:53.840 These days, it's not like you just wouldn't been given 1:18:53.960 --> 1:18:56.200 out murder. And the whole thing about the surety is 1:18:56.600 --> 1:19:00.600 much more of an American thing now, it's not you 1:19:00.640 --> 1:19:04.080 can put up a surety for Yeah, like other kind 1:19:04.080 --> 1:19:06.800 of crimes. I've never heard of a murderer, Oh sorry, 1:19:07.360 --> 1:19:10.479 an alleged murderer get bail at all. 1:19:11.200 --> 1:19:14.080 Oh well, yeah, things watching recently and it was like 1:19:14.120 --> 1:19:16.920 it took place in the eighties, and you know, and 1:19:16.960 --> 1:19:20.200 she was put up with the person who was accused 1:19:20.200 --> 1:19:22.960 of murder, was put in a prison cell. And then 1:19:23.000 --> 1:19:26.400 they said it's one hundred thousand dollars bail to get out. 1:19:26.400 --> 1:19:28.080 And I was like, what in the eighties even you 1:19:28.080 --> 1:19:30.800 could get out? One hundred thousand dollars was the price, 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:31.320 and they came. 1:19:31.200 --> 1:19:33.200 Up with it, well, this is ten thousand for the 1:19:33.240 --> 1:19:34.240 same things, nus. 1:19:34.400 --> 1:19:34.880 Yeah. Yeah. 1:19:36.720 --> 1:19:40.479 Now the media also did not help. One radio segment 1:19:40.520 --> 1:19:43.280 about the case, and I have not confirmed with radio station. 1:19:43.400 --> 1:19:47.519 This was not just because I work in Australian radio 1:19:50.439 --> 1:19:53.160 said so. They were doing a report on the case, 1:19:53.200 --> 1:19:56.880 and the report ended with quote, when the trial goes 1:19:56.920 --> 1:19:59.800 to court, the world might find out just why lean 1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:02.200 the Indie Chamberlain cut the throat of her daughter? 1:20:02.600 --> 1:20:03.680 Holy, did you. 1:20:03.640 --> 1:20:08.600 Know anything about defamation? Yeah, you can't see that. 1:20:10.240 --> 1:20:12.400 But is the word might Is that where they kind 1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:13.240 of got away with it. 1:20:13.479 --> 1:20:16.200 No, because it's the world might find out might find out, 1:20:16.280 --> 1:20:20.000 not the world to find out if she might have. Yeah, 1:20:20.840 --> 1:20:24.200 So the word alleged needs to come in term of 1:20:25.000 --> 1:20:27.599 im or I'm forever, I'm forever yelling at the news 1:20:28.120 --> 1:20:31.480 and other radio stations and stuff when people say allegedly 1:20:31.880 --> 1:20:34.599 unnecessarily or like in the wrong part, or they'll go 1:20:35.960 --> 1:20:38.960 you know, a man was allegedly killed when he was 1:20:39.040 --> 1:20:41.200 hit by a drunk driver. Like, no, No, a man 1:20:41.400 --> 1:20:44.840 was killed. It was allegedly by a drunk Yes, he 1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:48.479 was definitely killed. Sorry, And I'm just had gone on 1:20:48.560 --> 1:20:52.639 a round about everyone saying anything everything wrong today? Okay, okay. 1:20:53.080 --> 1:20:56.640 Before the trial began, if you can believe it, the 1:20:56.720 --> 1:21:00.000 story became even juicier. What do you think could have happened? 1:21:00.040 --> 1:21:05.720 And before Lindy was set to sit at trial for murder. 1:21:05.960 --> 1:21:08.960 Did Lindy and my call separate or something like that? No, 1:21:09.760 --> 1:21:12.040 did Feathers come back? 1:21:12.120 --> 1:21:18.000 For example? Okay, I guess Lindy felt pregnant? Whoa They 1:21:18.000 --> 1:21:20.000 said they were praying for a baby girl. 1:21:20.200 --> 1:21:20.800 Wow. 1:21:21.479 --> 1:21:25.880 When her trials started in September nineteen eighty two, Lindy 1:21:25.960 --> 1:21:27.879 Chamberlain was seven months pregnant. 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:29.679 Seven months pregnant. 1:21:29.720 --> 1:21:35.200 The media fucking love this. They focused daily on their 1:21:35.200 --> 1:21:39.800 reports on Lindy's choice of maternity outfits. Yeah, like, this 1:21:39.960 --> 1:21:42.160 is a woman standing trial for the murder of her 1:21:42.200 --> 1:21:46.320 baby and she's standing trial, seven months pregnant with another baby, 1:21:46.520 --> 1:21:51.360 like it is just like media fodder. It's like the 1:21:51.400 --> 1:21:54.000 sub editors would have been frothing at the mouth, like 1:21:54.080 --> 1:21:54.679 it's such. 1:21:54.479 --> 1:21:56.439 A famous story as well, And there are so many 1:21:56.479 --> 1:22:00.400 reasons obviously that it is like the basics of the Yes, 1:22:00.920 --> 1:22:03.280 I don't know all of this stuff. It's and I'm 1:22:03.280 --> 1:22:05.080 not surprised that this was such a big story in 1:22:05.080 --> 1:22:05.519 the eighties. 1:22:05.560 --> 1:22:08.639 And I didn't go into this like in my script 1:22:08.760 --> 1:22:11.519 because I just think it's gross. But it's still part 1:22:11.560 --> 1:22:15.000 of the story, and you know, it's very much of 1:22:15.080 --> 1:22:17.400 the time as well, probably would happen now too. But 1:22:17.479 --> 1:22:19.720 she was really criticized a lot as well because of 1:22:19.760 --> 1:22:23.639 how she looked. She was not, you know, typically feminine, 1:22:24.360 --> 1:22:26.760 a very short haircut, she wore, as I said, those 1:22:26.800 --> 1:22:30.120 big sunglasses. Now, remember when we did that episode about 1:22:30.120 --> 1:22:35.479 Peter Falconio Joanne Lees, his partner, who the Australian treated 1:22:35.520 --> 1:22:37.559 like she as well in public, treated like she as well. 1:22:37.800 --> 1:22:40.479 That was almost the opposite. They were like, she's too sexy. 1:22:40.479 --> 1:22:42.639 Why is she being sexy and wearing like a tight 1:22:42.680 --> 1:22:45.080 T shirt on the news. Lindy was the opposite. They 1:22:45.080 --> 1:22:48.840 were like, oh, look at this ugly, dowdy mother, like 1:22:48.880 --> 1:22:51.559 there's something off with her because she's like this very 1:22:51.600 --> 1:22:56.080 straight faced. I mean, her daughter had died. People just 1:22:56.240 --> 1:23:00.559 really really did not Like I really didn't her comments. 1:23:00.560 --> 1:23:02.000 I was saying, we're quite sassy as well as. 1:23:02.520 --> 1:23:05.000 Yeah, which we have got into, but that's what I thought. Yeah, 1:23:05.200 --> 1:23:09.280 the fact that she wasn't typically feminine and was a mother, 1:23:10.160 --> 1:23:12.240 it was kind of seen as well, yeah, you don't 1:23:12.280 --> 1:23:14.639 look like it. You know, you don't look typically feminine, 1:23:14.680 --> 1:23:17.639 and you're the this weird church lady, Like I could 1:23:17.640 --> 1:23:20.080 believe you would have killed sacrifice to your daughter. Like 1:23:20.120 --> 1:23:21.920 this was the whole kind of narrative around it. 1:23:22.120 --> 1:23:25.280 Yeah, yeah, right. 1:23:25.400 --> 1:23:27.720 So the jury for her trial was made up of 1:23:27.840 --> 1:23:31.679 all white people, and that's despite the Northern Territory's largely 1:23:31.720 --> 1:23:35.639 indigenous population. Okay, which is just an interesting note. I 1:23:35.680 --> 1:23:40.080 thought the prosecution's case was that Lindy had taken Azaria 1:23:40.200 --> 1:23:43.519 to the car and slit her throat. Then she and 1:23:43.560 --> 1:23:46.240 Michael had taken so, as I said before, gone back 1:23:46.280 --> 1:23:48.439 to the campsite and been like, oh, I think I 1:23:48.439 --> 1:23:50.880 can hear Azaria crying. Went back, oh you didn't, go's 1:23:50.880 --> 1:23:53.920 got my baby? Right, and that she and Michael had 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:57.439 taken and disposed of her body while everyone was out searching. 1:23:57.920 --> 1:23:58.240 Wow. 1:23:58.280 --> 1:24:00.000 Remember I said there was that kind of fifteen minute 1:24:00.120 --> 1:24:02.200 period where they went off to searching their own. Yeah. 1:24:02.400 --> 1:24:03.599 Yeah. 1:24:03.840 --> 1:24:06.840 Experts gave evidence that the blood stains were not consistent 1:24:06.880 --> 1:24:10.320 with a dingo attack and that no dingo hairs were found. 1:24:10.439 --> 1:24:13.960 Remember I said there were nine individual animal hairs found 1:24:14.000 --> 1:24:16.599 in the tent. They turned out to be of a cat. 1:24:16.960 --> 1:24:19.639 Oh wow, so I assumed they had a pet cat 1:24:19.680 --> 1:24:20.000 at home. 1:24:20.479 --> 1:24:21.680 Yeah, all the cat did it? 1:24:22.920 --> 1:24:27.679 Hey, no spoilers, Yeah. 1:24:27.560 --> 1:24:29.959 Exactly, I've got my cat theory. 1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:34.479 The defense's case was that it had always been that 1:24:34.520 --> 1:24:37.559 it was a tragic The defense's case was, as it 1:24:37.640 --> 1:24:40.400 had always been, that this had been a tragic accident. 1:24:40.960 --> 1:24:43.960 Two experts for the defense said that the car blood 1:24:43.960 --> 1:24:47.800 stains could have been from another a number of other reasons. Okay, 1:24:47.920 --> 1:24:50.800 so you know the blood, kid's blood nose, the hitchhiker. 1:24:51.120 --> 1:24:53.680 They had experts to say, yes, they definitely could have 1:24:53.760 --> 1:24:54.720 been from either of those things. 1:24:55.240 --> 1:24:56.720 The hard thing is you can't have an expert for 1:24:56.760 --> 1:24:58.680 everything that is. That is the thing. 1:24:58.720 --> 1:25:02.880 It's like, Yeah, there were a prosecut experts and defense experts, 1:25:02.880 --> 1:25:07.120 so you can find someone to go. Here's the prosecution 1:25:07.240 --> 1:25:10.320 expert saying these bloodstains definitely mean this, but someone on 1:25:10.360 --> 1:25:12.160 the other hands going, well, no, I'm an expert as well, 1:25:12.200 --> 1:25:15.800 and I'm saying they definitely mean he is. Witnesses from 1:25:15.800 --> 1:25:19.799 the campground testified to hearing a baby crying after Lindy 1:25:19.880 --> 1:25:22.760 returned from putting her test sleep, So it wasn't just 1:25:22.880 --> 1:25:25.840 Lindy that so in fact, if you remember, Lindy said 1:25:25.880 --> 1:25:26.920 she didn't hear crying. 1:25:27.120 --> 1:25:28.040 Yeah. Yeah. 1:25:28.840 --> 1:25:32.640 Evidence of the dog prints and drag marks found and 1:25:32.680 --> 1:25:35.559 the imprint in the sand of the clothing were also 1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:40.920 used as defense witnesses. But it was also proven that 1:25:40.960 --> 1:25:44.320 the couple had disappeared for that fifteen minutes during the search, 1:25:44.600 --> 1:25:46.120 and this is when they could have hit in the body. 1:25:46.400 --> 1:25:46.880 Yeah, okay. 1:25:47.680 --> 1:25:51.040 The first sign of emotion from Lindy through this whole thing, 1:25:51.320 --> 1:25:54.320 now two years on, was when pictures of her daughter's 1:25:54.320 --> 1:25:58.360 bloodstained clothes were shown to the court. She openly wept. 1:25:59.040 --> 1:26:01.880 Michael Chamberlain was quizzed about why he had described his 1:26:02.000 --> 1:26:04.800 daughter's death as the will of God. He said on 1:26:04.840 --> 1:26:07.160 the stand that he couldn't recall making the comment, but 1:26:07.360 --> 1:26:10.320 as a religious man, he believed that God's will is overall. 1:26:12.000 --> 1:26:15.600 The trial became the most publicized court case in Australian 1:26:15.760 --> 1:26:17.599 history still to this day. 1:26:17.720 --> 1:26:19.880 Did you say cameras were allowed in for the No? 1:26:21.280 --> 1:26:25.120 Just in that coronial when the cameras were allowed in 1:26:25.240 --> 1:26:30.160 for the finding. This trial was dubbed Trial of the Century. 1:26:30.800 --> 1:26:34.240 And when I read that, I was like, oh for Australia, 1:26:34.280 --> 1:26:36.599 I guess like if I said Trial of the century. 1:26:36.840 --> 1:26:40.479 This was twelve years before OJ Simpson's trial. When I 1:26:40.520 --> 1:26:42.439 read that this was dubbed the Trial of the Century, 1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:45.200 I was like, oh, well, I mean obviously because of O. J. 1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:47.519 Simpson that's been called that and we've gone, oh, this 1:26:47.600 --> 1:26:49.760 is ours in Australia. No, No, this was twelve years before that. 1:26:50.479 --> 1:26:52.600 This was the original what was called the Trial of 1:26:52.640 --> 1:26:53.120 the century. 1:26:53.240 --> 1:26:53.840 Wow. 1:26:53.920 --> 1:26:57.960 Yeah. The jury deliberated for six and a half hours 1:26:58.280 --> 1:27:02.439 before delivering their verdicts on October twenty nine, nineteen eighty two. 1:27:03.400 --> 1:27:06.160 Six hours isn't a lot for this, No, not for 1:27:06.160 --> 1:27:08.960 a murder trial. Do you think about it like you 1:27:08.960 --> 1:27:10.760 think it's nine days? Yet? 1:27:10.800 --> 1:27:14.879 Ten days? I think yeah. Both Lindy and Michael Chamberlain 1:27:15.200 --> 1:27:15.799 were found. 1:27:20.080 --> 1:27:21.320 How did you do that? Sorry? 1:27:21.320 --> 1:27:23.559 I just brought out my drum set guilty. 1:27:23.920 --> 1:27:24.719 Oh my god. 1:27:37.920 --> 1:27:42.400 In scenes I have never experienced nor heard of, a 1:27:42.800 --> 1:27:47.200 reporter who had been covering the trial jumped out of 1:27:47.240 --> 1:27:49.120 his seat and yelled out bastards. 1:27:49.600 --> 1:27:51.639 Oh my god, a reporter. 1:27:52.080 --> 1:27:56.360 Yeah, Sydney Morning Herald. Isn't that insane? I've never heard 1:27:56.360 --> 1:28:01.200 of that. Not a family member, not a supporter, a reporter. 1:28:01.640 --> 1:28:04.400 Isn't that wild that? I think that. The reason I 1:28:04.439 --> 1:28:06.800 included that is because it's like, it goes to show 1:28:06.880 --> 1:28:11.320 how people were so staunchly on one side or the other. 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:14.559 It wasn't a really like we talk about the mushroom cook. 1:28:15.120 --> 1:28:19.320 It very widely believed that she is guilty. The supporters 1:28:19.400 --> 1:28:23.479 were far fewer, whereas this was it seemed to really 1:28:23.479 --> 1:28:27.040 beat like kind of the media were awful about her, 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:30.840 but certainly at least this reporter believed in her in 1:28:30.880 --> 1:28:35.559 a sense. But the public seemed to be quite yeah 1:28:35.960 --> 1:28:39.320 torn maybe well, I mean more people thought she did 1:28:39.400 --> 1:28:42.640 that didn't, but this reporter certainly didn't, which is fascinating 1:28:42.680 --> 1:28:44.120 someone who had sat in the court every day. 1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:45.800 Yes, that's insane. 1:28:46.320 --> 1:28:49.800 Lindy showed no emotion while the verdict was delivered, which 1:28:49.840 --> 1:28:53.680 also didn't help when that was reported while Michael reportedly 1:28:53.720 --> 1:28:57.400 looked strained and was biting his lip. Michael was given 1:28:57.400 --> 1:29:00.680 a twelve month suspended sentence with a good behavior so 1:29:00.840 --> 1:29:02.439 he didn't have to spend any time in jail. 1:29:02.560 --> 1:29:07.680 Oh that's surprising, Yeah for being that's interesting. 1:29:08.280 --> 1:29:11.559 Lindy, who is now eight months pregnant, was sentenced to 1:29:11.720 --> 1:29:14.160 life in maximum security prison. 1:29:14.520 --> 1:29:18.280 She got life and her accessory got eighteen months suspended. 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:19.759 That doesn't make any sense. 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:24.240 Yeah, I mean, it was probably her mitigating his culpability 1:29:24.640 --> 1:29:28.080 was so they were saying that she killed his own 1:29:28.160 --> 1:29:30.560 his own he knew nothing about it, but just afterwards 1:29:30.560 --> 1:29:31.760 he went and helped her hide the body. 1:29:31.840 --> 1:29:36.360 Yes, okay, which I mean I would think that's. 1:29:35.640 --> 1:29:38.400 Still a pretty big deal. But maybe the fact that 1:29:38.439 --> 1:29:43.000 it was like, you know, supporting a partner, or because 1:29:43.000 --> 1:29:47.320 there are weird rules around spouses with you know, you're 1:29:47.320 --> 1:29:49.880 not allowed to like testify against a spouse and things 1:29:49.920 --> 1:29:51.920 like that. Well that you've got clemency and there's a 1:29:52.000 --> 1:29:54.280 weird rules about when you're married. I don't know if 1:29:54.320 --> 1:29:56.519 it's either do that I'm literally doing it, I reckon 1:29:57.000 --> 1:29:58.960 just good nothing, I don't know what that's the point. 1:29:59.400 --> 1:30:01.040 It's just chat about. 1:30:02.760 --> 1:30:06.640 I'm really surprised by that, and that she was found guilty. No, 1:30:06.720 --> 1:30:08.160 I'm surprised that he only got oh. 1:30:08.120 --> 1:30:09.519 Yes, I was gonna say, no one else, no one 1:30:09.560 --> 1:30:10.200 seems surprised. 1:30:10.720 --> 1:30:12.080 But also like you know that she's going to have 1:30:12.120 --> 1:30:16.480 the baby in in prison maximum security. 1:30:17.520 --> 1:30:20.880 She was a Barrama prison in Darwin, Okay. So Darwin 1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:24.320 is the very top of the very middle of Australia. 1:30:24.360 --> 1:30:27.479 I did say before, the highest, the highest, the large 1:30:27.520 --> 1:30:29.759 mountain at the very top the largest mountains. 1:30:29.800 --> 1:30:33.920 It's really like isolated and it's a small place. Lindy 1:30:34.040 --> 1:30:36.280 was one of only six female inmates. 1:30:36.600 --> 1:30:40.479 Oh my god. Yeah, can I say clearly the other 1:30:40.560 --> 1:30:43.200 day when I put up we're talking before about when 1:30:43.320 --> 1:30:45.120 I did my end of year wrap up and everything 1:30:45.120 --> 1:30:48.160 and for a judge and so climbed everest. The loveliest 1:30:48.160 --> 1:30:49.000 message about that. 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:52.240 Like legitimately someone actually regulations. 1:30:52.240 --> 1:30:56.280 That's huge to me. Love that you think they can 1:30:57.240 --> 1:30:59.320 and that you know, like didn't post about it. 1:30:59.360 --> 1:31:03.439 I moved, I did my comedy show, I did a 1:31:03.479 --> 1:31:07.360 comedy duo show. I kept doing my podcasts, I started 1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:11.160 a new podcast. Oh, and I climbed Everest and they 1:31:11.160 --> 1:31:14.040 didn't know that was psarcastic. One of the funniest things 1:31:14.080 --> 1:31:17.600 to me is how little so many people on the 1:31:17.920 --> 1:31:19.320 on the internet understand. 1:31:18.920 --> 1:31:25.040 Psychas six inmates, only six female inmates. 1:31:24.880 --> 1:31:26.479 Female, So that yeah, that's. 1:31:26.280 --> 1:31:31.040 How and so like there was no female prison. It 1:31:31.160 --> 1:31:35.360 was just six female inmates in their wing of this prison. 1:31:36.280 --> 1:31:40.040 Three weeks after her incarceration, she gave birth to a 1:31:40.080 --> 1:31:41.160 baby girl. 1:31:41.720 --> 1:31:41.960 Wow. 1:31:43.160 --> 1:31:47.040 She and Michael made up the name Carlia so that 1:31:47.080 --> 1:31:50.000 no one could ever speculate over its meaning. Oh, sure, 1:31:50.640 --> 1:31:57.720 that interesting, Carlia. They both had Reagan Azaria a bit old, 1:31:57.720 --> 1:31:59.800 but then Aiden was their first pro which is much 1:31:59.840 --> 1:32:06.080 more common yab. Both Michael and Lindy appealed the verdicts, 1:32:06.439 --> 1:32:11.000 and two days after Carli's birth, Lindy was granted bail 1:32:11.280 --> 1:32:14.519 while the courts dealt with the appeal. Now, when you 1:32:14.600 --> 1:32:18.680 lodge an appeal, you're saying, this is the reason we 1:32:18.760 --> 1:32:21.799 think we should be able to appeal. They gave twenty 1:32:21.840 --> 1:32:27.280 three grounds of reasons, and then the court takes a 1:32:27.320 --> 1:32:29.920 couple of months or however long it might be, to 1:32:30.080 --> 1:32:35.759 say no, we're not allowing the appeal, or they go, Okay, yes, sure, 1:32:35.760 --> 1:32:37.320 we'll let you appeal, but you've got to stay in 1:32:37.400 --> 1:32:39.200 bars behind that time, but we'll let you go back 1:32:39.240 --> 1:32:42.519 to a court to fight why you think it was right? 1:32:43.800 --> 1:32:45.840 So the fact that she was given bail over that 1:32:45.920 --> 1:32:48.639 time fucking pissed everyone. 1:32:48.760 --> 1:32:50.920 Of course, where did she go? Did she get out? 1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:51.360 Go? 1:32:51.560 --> 1:32:55.840 Yes? What she was allowed to go and live at 1:32:55.840 --> 1:32:58.680 a center that was run by her church in the 1:32:58.720 --> 1:33:01.200 town where her family was living. So it was like 1:33:01.320 --> 1:33:04.840 a kind of like a homestead thing. It was an 1:33:04.960 --> 1:33:09.400 education center where there were studies, so there were students, 1:33:09.560 --> 1:33:12.080 but then there were also like full time staff members 1:33:12.080 --> 1:33:14.519 that lived on site. It's kind of not a commune, but, 1:33:14.600 --> 1:33:17.840 for want of a better term, kind of like a commune. Okay. 1:33:18.160 --> 1:33:20.400 And she was allowed to go and leave there under 1:33:20.439 --> 1:33:24.880 strict bail conditions. Sure, but only three weeks after she 1:33:25.040 --> 1:33:32.320 was getting long incarcerated for life. So the public was furious. 1:33:32.720 --> 1:33:37.439 Why should she be allowed to be a bail I know, no, 1:33:37.479 --> 1:33:39.400 he'd be happy about it, because. 1:33:39.840 --> 1:33:41.719 Well, I don't know, I don't know how they feel. 1:33:41.720 --> 1:33:42.679 I don't know how they felt. 1:33:42.760 --> 1:33:45.040 Oh that's a good point. I've just realized when they 1:33:45.080 --> 1:33:46.599 said bastards. 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:48.479 They might have been angry that entire time. 1:33:48.720 --> 1:33:51.960 They might have been saying bastards the jury for finding 1:33:52.000 --> 1:33:54.759 her guilty. Or were they saying, bastards Michael and Lindy, 1:33:54.800 --> 1:33:55.719 you killed your baby. 1:33:56.200 --> 1:33:59.080 I don't know, you know, true, I was thinking that anyway, 1:33:59.080 --> 1:33:59.559 it doesn't matter. 1:33:59.560 --> 1:34:06.280 Anyway, let's ask him. I'll find out his name. Yeah, 1:34:06.320 --> 1:34:07.880 they were kind of saying, why should she be allowed 1:34:07.880 --> 1:34:11.040 Adam Bayou just because she had a baby, like, you know, 1:34:11.240 --> 1:34:14.280 maybe this is all part of the ploy. People really 1:34:14.320 --> 1:34:17.640 turned on the church, the Seventh Day Adventist, saying that 1:34:17.680 --> 1:34:19.840 because she had their support was the only reason she 1:34:19.880 --> 1:34:22.000 could be out of prison, because she could, you know, 1:34:22.040 --> 1:34:24.240 stay in this in this kind of commune area, and 1:34:24.280 --> 1:34:26.960 that this was unfair on other inmates who also claimed 1:34:26.960 --> 1:34:30.320 their innocence, you know, they weren't allowed to go and 1:34:30.360 --> 1:34:34.599 live in this area. Now, this was only made worse 1:34:34.640 --> 1:34:38.000 when it was revealed the church had gone guarranteur on 1:34:38.080 --> 1:34:40.800 the loans Lindy and Michael had taken out to pay 1:34:40.800 --> 1:34:44.320 for their legal fees, which totaled seven hundred and fifty 1:34:44.360 --> 1:34:48.559 thousand dollars in nineteen eighty two. That's the equivalent to 1:34:48.600 --> 1:34:52.160 around two and a half million dollars today on legal 1:34:52.200 --> 1:34:54.559 fees on legal fees, and that the church had gone 1:34:54.600 --> 1:34:56.960 guaranteur on them. So again it was like, well, just 1:34:56.960 --> 1:34:58.840 because these people are part of a church that we 1:34:58.960 --> 1:35:01.040 don't know and we don't un stand, and we think 1:35:01.080 --> 1:35:06.120 we don't like she's able to get all this you know, extras, 1:35:06.160 --> 1:35:11.200 extra help and yeah, wow, people associated with the Seventh 1:35:11.240 --> 1:35:15.240 day Adventist Church were targeted and tormented. Churches were vandalized 1:35:15.320 --> 1:35:21.519 all over the country she had been found. So they 1:35:21.560 --> 1:35:24.559 were all things I said earlier. The family themselves were 1:35:24.560 --> 1:35:28.680 targeted with like people were howling, like Dingo's. The churches 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:33.120 were like spray painted with red spade with red paint 1:35:33.600 --> 1:35:37.639 saying like baby killers, like targeting the church. And they 1:35:37.680 --> 1:35:41.040 were like signs put up saying like Dingo pups for sale, 1:35:41.160 --> 1:35:44.439 and just like really grow you grow stuff now. Lindy 1:35:44.479 --> 1:35:48.160 had been found guilty in October nineteen eighty two, and 1:35:48.200 --> 1:35:52.800 in April nineteen eighty three, three federal Court appeals judges 1:35:52.960 --> 1:35:59.320 unanimously rejected the appeal on all grounds. Wow. So she'd 1:35:59.320 --> 1:36:01.599 been laid out on bail while they made this decision, 1:36:01.760 --> 1:36:04.640 and the decision was no, you can't a bill. She 1:36:04.800 --> 1:36:06.439 was returned to the prison in. 1:36:06.479 --> 1:36:11.880 Darwin and Carlia stays out with ye have to go back. 1:36:12.080 --> 1:36:15.760 Well, I mean, look, I don't think so. There are 1:36:15.920 --> 1:36:21.320 certainly prisons where people can have their babies with them. 1:36:21.760 --> 1:36:24.719 I think maybe given that this was what October Novem, 1:36:24.760 --> 1:36:30.040 December January, February month I was six months later, perhaps not. 1:36:33.120 --> 1:36:36.960 Support for Lindy, though, was growing louder. So many opinion 1:36:37.000 --> 1:36:40.400 pieces and letters were published in newspapers in support of 1:36:40.439 --> 1:36:44.280 her that legal academics requested they be banned from being 1:36:44.320 --> 1:36:48.400 published because it was undermining the country's legal system. Say 1:36:48.479 --> 1:36:50.760 in the newspapers every day there's people saying she was 1:36:50.800 --> 1:36:53.840 wrongly convicted. This is wrong. Legal academics are going No, 1:36:53.840 --> 1:36:55.519 one's going to believe in our justice system. You need 1:36:55.560 --> 1:37:00.200 to stop printing these. Lindy herself was so inundated with 1:37:00.320 --> 1:37:04.000 letters of support she started writing a monthly bulletin from 1:37:04.120 --> 1:37:07.800 prison that she would send out to subscribers Oh. 1:37:07.520 --> 1:37:11.360 Wow, yeah, early day Patreon exactly. 1:37:12.760 --> 1:37:15.839 She would thank them. She would write prayers and poems 1:37:15.880 --> 1:37:20.479 to her children, including to Azaria November of that same year. 1:37:20.560 --> 1:37:24.080 So nineteen eighty three, Michael Lilundy appealed their convictions to 1:37:24.120 --> 1:37:26.240 the High Court. So you can go to the federal court, 1:37:26.360 --> 1:37:27.879 or you can go to the state Court of Appeals. 1:37:28.120 --> 1:37:29.840 Then you can go to the High Court. I think 1:37:29.920 --> 1:37:32.120 federal and then high High is the highest court that 1:37:32.120 --> 1:37:33.639 you can go to if they say no, you don't 1:37:33.640 --> 1:37:34.639 have any other avenues. 1:37:34.760 --> 1:37:35.160 Wow. 1:37:36.240 --> 1:37:40.439 This time the finding was two against one, okay, but 1:37:40.520 --> 1:37:44.519 only one was supporting, so the convictions were upheld. Oh wow, 1:37:45.320 --> 1:37:48.000 So there is no way unless any new evidence ever 1:37:48.040 --> 1:37:51.960 came forward. You know that she's going to be behind 1:37:52.000 --> 1:37:55.439 bars for life. She murdered her nine week old daughter 1:37:55.600 --> 1:38:00.280 and she would serve life for that after this High 1:38:00.280 --> 1:38:04.840 court attempt was failed, had failed? Sorry? Sorry? 1:38:04.840 --> 1:38:07.120 Did they find it anything about motive in any of this? 1:38:07.360 --> 1:38:11.400 Was it just that they thought maybe was disabled? Or 1:38:11.479 --> 1:38:11.800 was it. 1:38:12.640 --> 1:38:16.240 Rumors and speculation that came up in like kind of 1:38:16.400 --> 1:38:20.360 media commentary? I didn't see anywhere. Well, no, what I 1:38:20.400 --> 1:38:22.960 saw is that they didn't put forward a motive. Again, 1:38:23.000 --> 1:38:25.840 the same as Mushroom Lady Aaron Patterson. They said the 1:38:25.880 --> 1:38:27.559 whole time, we don't know a motive. We'll never be 1:38:27.560 --> 1:38:30.400 able to understand or know why because she's claiming she 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:32.800 didn't do it, so we don't know why she did it, 1:38:32.840 --> 1:38:34.720 but it's definitely happened. 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:37.040 And that the motive there with the disability is not 1:38:37.760 --> 1:38:40.280 that's not the motive. The motive is we can't deal 1:38:40.320 --> 1:38:43.200 with this, we can't support our child through disability that 1:38:43.240 --> 1:38:44.120 we will that. 1:38:44.200 --> 1:38:45.920 Yeah, that's the spec That was the room and the 1:38:45.920 --> 1:38:49.720 speculation that maybe because she was so little, maybe that 1:38:49.760 --> 1:38:52.320 they had found out she was disabled, they notice things 1:38:52.400 --> 1:38:55.400 that were quote unquote wrong, we're different with were and 1:38:55.520 --> 1:38:58.439 they decided, well, well, I don't know, maybe they're you 1:38:58.479 --> 1:39:00.880 know that it's all speculation. It would have been. The 1:39:00.920 --> 1:39:03.680 belief is that you know, a disabled child is in 1:39:03.800 --> 1:39:08.320 a should shouldn't live the way that they do, or 1:39:08.360 --> 1:39:14.719 what yeah, they're wanting or need of supporting a disabled child. 1:39:15.160 --> 1:39:17.400 There was still all the rumors and speculation about it 1:39:17.520 --> 1:39:18.560 being a sacrifice. 1:39:19.240 --> 1:39:23.520 It sounds nuts that a proper motive wasn't uncovered. 1:39:24.280 --> 1:39:27.240 Well, it hasn't been in Aaron Patison's either true. And 1:39:27.240 --> 1:39:30.880 that's the thing, right, if someone's claiming not innocent, why 1:39:30.920 --> 1:39:32.720 would they give up a motive because they say they 1:39:32.760 --> 1:39:35.680 didn't do it. I just say not innocent no, I 1:39:35.720 --> 1:39:38.719 mean not guilty, but I mean if someone is saying 1:39:38.760 --> 1:39:40.840 I'm innocent, well they're never going to put forward a 1:39:40.840 --> 1:39:44.519 motive because they said I didn't do it. Susan Neil 1:39:44.560 --> 1:39:46.840 Fraser was the same. Well, I mean that was different, 1:39:46.840 --> 1:39:49.479 I suppose because the prosecution said we think it was 1:39:49.479 --> 1:39:50.440 about money. 1:39:50.600 --> 1:39:53.439 Yes, And this prosecution might have been like, oh, it 1:39:53.479 --> 1:39:56.599 was about this. That's like, I don't know, because. 1:39:56.360 --> 1:39:59.120 The thing is prosecution has to prove the case. The 1:39:59.160 --> 1:40:01.600 defense doesn't have to do anything. The prosecution has to 1:40:01.680 --> 1:40:04.320 prove the case. So with something like this, what could 1:40:04.360 --> 1:40:06.799 be a motive for killing a nine week old baby? 1:40:07.120 --> 1:40:09.880 You can't uncover an affair that's going on, all money 1:40:09.960 --> 1:40:12.880 troubles or anything. So if there wasn't one, they just 1:40:12.920 --> 1:40:16.639 don't put one up because otherwise the defense can argue, well, no, 1:40:16.720 --> 1:40:20.320 there's nothing to suggest it was a disability, for instance, 1:40:20.600 --> 1:40:22.120 So they just didn't put one up. They said, we 1:40:22.120 --> 1:40:24.720 can't understand why, but all the physical evidence we say 1:40:24.760 --> 1:40:26.559 suggest that she was murdered. 1:40:27.120 --> 1:40:30.160 I was just so heartbreaking about his area, like lost 1:40:30.160 --> 1:40:33.400 their life and was a baby. 1:40:32.680 --> 1:40:34.719 And nine weeks old. 1:40:35.120 --> 1:40:36.920 Oh yeah, yeah, oh my god. 1:40:37.040 --> 1:40:42.080 Okay, Zorry, So Michael resigned as a minister with the church. 1:40:42.520 --> 1:40:44.400 There would have been so much pressure for him to resign. 1:40:44.560 --> 1:40:48.000 Yeah, he told the media. God will come to my aid. 1:40:48.360 --> 1:40:51.719 I'm just wondering why it's taking him so long, which 1:40:51.760 --> 1:40:55.320 seems like for a minister, like an ordained minister, that 1:40:55.400 --> 1:41:00.639 feels like the closest thing to I'm ques my belief 1:41:00.680 --> 1:41:04.320 here like that. It feels like that, I know, I 1:41:04.400 --> 1:41:07.360 put my entire life into believing in God, but He's 1:41:07.439 --> 1:41:08.800 taken a bit of time to help me. 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:12.040 Here sounds like the follow up song by Ray where 1:41:12.040 --> 1:41:13.960 the help my husband. 1:41:13.880 --> 1:41:15.920 The follow up song to this case. 1:41:15.680 --> 1:41:18.080 You know, to her song where the helps my husband, It 1:41:18.120 --> 1:41:19.800 would be with help I. 1:41:19.760 --> 1:41:20.760 Was taking him so long? 1:41:21.400 --> 1:41:27.320 Yeah, because it's nearly good. But I feel like I 1:41:27.360 --> 1:41:29.920 feel like with something like that, I am always so 1:41:30.000 --> 1:41:33.920 surprised when people follow God through everything and go. 1:41:33.840 --> 1:41:36.880 Again very much to the caveat that we're not religious people. 1:41:36.680 --> 1:41:39.280 Yeah, going, it's God's plan, this is what God wanted. 1:41:39.360 --> 1:41:41.360 This is you know, a fucking death of a nine 1:41:41.360 --> 1:41:44.640 week on baby. Yeah, yeah, sorry, I was like, you know, 1:41:44.680 --> 1:41:51.200 do the covet we're not religious, and then I went film, Sorry, Okay, 1:41:51.640 --> 1:41:57.759 nearly there, support remained strong for Lindy. At one point 1:41:58.000 --> 1:42:01.479 a group was not not even remain strong, grew stronger. 1:42:01.479 --> 1:42:04.519 I think. At one point a group of thirty one 1:42:04.840 --> 1:42:09.840 scientists signed an open letter protesting the forensic claims made 1:42:09.880 --> 1:42:12.559 in court about the blood in the Chamberlain's car. So 1:42:12.680 --> 1:42:16.479 thirty one individual scientists said yes, I'll put my name 1:42:16.560 --> 1:42:20.679 to a thing saying we completely disagree with the evidence 1:42:20.720 --> 1:42:22.960 that was given about the fact that that was blood 1:42:23.640 --> 1:42:24.679 rows sticky substance. 1:42:24.720 --> 1:42:27.839 Thing that's interesting. Thirty one Wow. 1:42:28.120 --> 1:42:31.080 A petition with one hundred and thirty one signatures in 1:42:31.160 --> 1:42:35.160 favor of releasing Lindy just people in the public was 1:42:35.200 --> 1:42:39.200 presented to the Governor General. A forty page document was 1:42:39.240 --> 1:42:43.880 submitted asking for a royal commission. It was rejected, as 1:42:44.040 --> 1:42:47.400 was an application by Lindy for early release given her 1:42:47.439 --> 1:42:51.439 baby at home. So there she was no more grounds 1:42:51.439 --> 1:42:53.559 for appeal possible or at least allowed. 1:42:54.040 --> 1:42:59.040 Wow, until my gosh, it's a roller. 1:42:58.720 --> 1:43:04.680 Coaster in nineteen eighty six, thirty one year old at 1:43:04.720 --> 1:43:05.599 British Traveler. 1:43:06.280 --> 1:43:09.120 That's four years five years after. 1:43:08.880 --> 1:43:13.080 She was, four years after she was incarcerat because she 1:43:13.160 --> 1:43:16.040 then so it was April eighty three that her appeal 1:43:16.120 --> 1:43:20.080 was denied, she went back In thirty, one year old 1:43:20.160 --> 1:43:24.600 British traveler David Brett was exploring Ularu cuted to to 1:43:24.680 --> 1:43:29.680 national Park alone with the intention to climb Ularu. It 1:43:29.800 --> 1:43:31.439 was too hot to do so during the day, so 1:43:31.479 --> 1:43:34.559 he waited until four pm, hoping the afternoon sun would 1:43:35.040 --> 1:43:37.080 make it a bit cooler and he could do so. 1:43:37.160 --> 1:43:41.360 Don't do it, mate, don't do it exactly. The facilities 1:43:41.400 --> 1:43:45.680 in the National Park had changed significantly since Azariah's disappearance, 1:43:47.080 --> 1:43:50.080 and as David went to do the climb, a park 1:43:50.200 --> 1:43:53.519 ranger said that you're not allowed to camp here anymore, 1:43:53.560 --> 1:43:55.800 so don't go climbing late because you can't stay here. 1:43:55.840 --> 1:43:57.200 You need to get out of the National Park at 1:43:57.200 --> 1:44:01.840 a certain time. But he did. New Indigenous locals saw 1:44:01.920 --> 1:44:05.360 him climbing in a forbidden area around seven pm that night, 1:44:05.840 --> 1:44:09.120 and they reported it the following day, but he was 1:44:09.120 --> 1:44:12.280 nowhere to be found. He'd gone a week after that. 1:44:13.040 --> 1:44:16.599 Another tourist was hiking the base of Ularu when they 1:44:16.640 --> 1:44:21.200 came across David's body. Oh He had fallen two hundred 1:44:21.200 --> 1:44:24.599 meters to his death during the climb, and his remains 1:44:24.600 --> 1:44:26.280 had been scavenged by animals. 1:44:26.320 --> 1:44:26.880 Oh god. 1:44:27.200 --> 1:44:30.720 Yeah. So again, as you said, don't do it. 1:44:30.680 --> 1:44:31.759 David, you don't do it. Yeah. 1:44:31.800 --> 1:44:35.040 So, yeah, he had fallen. There was no indication at 1:44:35.040 --> 1:44:37.719 all that he had been attacked. He'd fallen to his death, 1:44:37.760 --> 1:44:40.360 and then his remains had been attacked or scavenge. Rather. 1:44:41.439 --> 1:44:45.040 On February two, nineteen eighty six, park Grade just conducted 1:44:45.040 --> 1:44:47.679 a search of the area in an attempt to recover 1:44:47.760 --> 1:44:48.799 all of his bones. 1:44:49.600 --> 1:44:51.800 Isn't that awful? Now? 1:44:51.800 --> 1:44:54.840 The site where he was found was only one hundred 1:44:54.880 --> 1:44:59.439 and fifty meters from where our friend Wally back in 1:44:59.520 --> 1:45:02.480 nineteen had found Azaria's clothing. 1:45:02.840 --> 1:45:04.880 Oh sure, okay, and. 1:45:04.840 --> 1:45:09.800 That area featured many dingo layers. Wild dogs had pillaged 1:45:09.920 --> 1:45:14.519 David's backpack, and the rangers found several items of his 1:45:14.640 --> 1:45:17.280 clothing amongst the dry grass and shrubs Right near this 1:45:17.320 --> 1:45:21.400 stingo's lair. One ranger spotted something buried in the sand 1:45:21.479 --> 1:45:23.880 and bent over to inspect it to see if it 1:45:23.920 --> 1:45:29.200 was something from David's backpack as well. What he found was, 1:45:29.920 --> 1:45:35.599 Although very dirty, the heat and the dry sands of 1:45:35.640 --> 1:45:38.519 the desert land had preserved the item and left it 1:45:38.560 --> 1:45:41.120 in a decent enough condition to tell what it was. 1:45:42.320 --> 1:45:43.280 Can you guess what it was? 1:45:43.600 --> 1:45:45.200 I think it's going to be the jumpsuit. 1:45:46.160 --> 1:45:47.799 The jumpsuit had already been found, Ah. 1:45:47.680 --> 1:45:49.639 The jumpsit that she said that as I. 1:45:49.600 --> 1:45:58.880 Was wearing the Matinee jackets jacket, the one that Lindy 1:45:58.920 --> 1:46:02.400 had said made tained insisted the whole time she had 1:46:02.479 --> 1:46:05.639 been wearing, and they had said, well, it's never been found. 1:46:05.640 --> 1:46:08.479 She wasn't wearing that. So you tell me how then 1:46:08.680 --> 1:46:12.960 this jumpsuit's not been ripped to shreds. The Matinee goddamn 1:46:13.040 --> 1:46:15.280 jacket six years. 1:46:14.880 --> 1:46:20.880 After, preserved under the sand. My god, it was. 1:46:22.000 --> 1:46:24.200 Oh it had a button even hanging from the neck 1:46:24.280 --> 1:46:29.160 by a thread. Already said this, she'd always maintained Asara 1:46:29.200 --> 1:46:34.800 was wearing the Matinee jacket. So I've written all these things, 1:46:34.840 --> 1:46:36.519 but then we go off and talk about them anyway, 1:46:36.560 --> 1:46:38.080 come back, and I could have saved all that time. 1:46:39.479 --> 1:46:39.639 Now. 1:46:39.680 --> 1:46:44.479 The Chamberlain's lawyer, Stuart Tipple, received a tip off about 1:46:44.600 --> 1:46:48.160 the find of the Matinee jacket, a tipple off, very 1:46:48.240 --> 1:46:53.920 good from a journalist. Yeah, so a journalist heard that, 1:46:54.439 --> 1:46:58.639 oh my god, they found a baby's knitted jacket and 1:46:59.240 --> 1:47:02.200 told the Chamberlain's lawyer, who had been the Chamberlain's lawyer. 1:47:02.800 --> 1:47:06.640 He submitted an urgent request to the Police Commissioner for 1:47:06.800 --> 1:47:10.080 access to the jacket for forensic testing so they could 1:47:10.120 --> 1:47:14.719 prove hers. The jacket was shown to Lindy on Feurbrury five, 1:47:14.880 --> 1:47:18.599 nineteen eighty six. She immediately broke down in tears and said, 1:47:18.640 --> 1:47:23.960 that's mayazaries. Now. During the murder trial, the prosecute, the 1:47:24.000 --> 1:47:28.080 prosecution's case had depended on there being no jacket. Its 1:47:28.120 --> 1:47:32.040 discovery not only disproved their assertions that Lindy was a liar, 1:47:32.920 --> 1:47:36.320 but it also provided an explanation for the lack of 1:47:36.479 --> 1:47:40.559 canine saliva on the jumpsuit, the lack of rips in 1:47:40.600 --> 1:47:43.839 the jumpsuit, as the jacket would have been in direct 1:47:43.880 --> 1:47:47.920 contact with the dingo's mouth, so the jacket could have 1:47:48.040 --> 1:47:51.160 very much been so she was wearing it. They're saying, well, 1:47:51.160 --> 1:47:53.280 the dingoes picked her up while she's wearing the jacket 1:47:53.640 --> 1:47:58.439 at some point like kind of it's come off, and 1:47:58.479 --> 1:48:01.840 that's why from when the dingo grabbed her. 1:48:02.320 --> 1:48:04.160 Yes, it's what got all. 1:48:04.080 --> 1:48:11.680 The saliva and everything. Twelve days later, another Royal commission 1:48:12.479 --> 1:48:16.000 was announced. The Chief Minister of the Northern Territory directed 1:48:16.040 --> 1:48:20.640 Lindy to be immediately released on prison from prison on remission, 1:48:21.200 --> 1:48:24.760 allowing her unrestricted access to legal advisors in preparation. So 1:48:24.800 --> 1:48:27.280 it wasn't they hadn't quashed her convictions, but they said 1:48:27.280 --> 1:48:31.120 there is enough here that we're going to allow you 1:48:31.160 --> 1:48:34.599 to go home to work on your case. So essentially 1:48:34.680 --> 1:48:38.760 saying there's enough that we can say already that might 1:48:38.920 --> 1:48:42.960 mean you're not guilty, so you can go home while 1:48:42.960 --> 1:48:43.519 we work on it. 1:48:43.720 --> 1:48:44.120 Wow. 1:48:45.640 --> 1:48:47.240 So yeah, she was able to go home to her family, 1:48:47.280 --> 1:48:51.360 back to that same area, including her now four year 1:48:51.360 --> 1:48:52.240 old daughter Klia. 1:48:52.439 --> 1:48:52.879 Wow. 1:48:54.479 --> 1:48:58.000 The Royal Commission Number three began later that year and went. 1:48:57.840 --> 1:49:01.040 For fourteen months months. Yeah. 1:49:03.080 --> 1:49:06.519 Justice Trevor Mauling found which mauling is a horrible name 1:49:06.560 --> 1:49:10.519 for Yeah, this really is. Yeah, it's spelt like that too. 1:49:10.760 --> 1:49:16.120 It made ul found that the prosecution's case had relied 1:49:16.160 --> 1:49:20.320 heavily on expert testimony that dingoes were unlikely to enter 1:49:20.360 --> 1:49:24.160 attent and attack a child, but acknowledged that they hadn't 1:49:24.240 --> 1:49:28.120 taken into account that the Ularu dingoes were difficult were 1:49:28.160 --> 1:49:33.599 different to typical wild dingos found elsewhere. He highlighted that 1:49:33.680 --> 1:49:36.240 the local park rangers believed that it was not only 1:49:36.280 --> 1:49:38.640 possible that one of the native dingoes could take a 1:49:38.680 --> 1:49:41.920 baby from a tent, but that they'd actually been concerned 1:49:42.040 --> 1:49:44.160 of an attack of such a nature because of the 1:49:44.439 --> 1:49:46.360 increasing attacks leading. 1:49:46.160 --> 1:49:48.599 Up to be a lot as recently happened. 1:49:49.040 --> 1:49:52.960 So this this coroner essentially said that wasn't taken into 1:49:53.040 --> 1:49:58.360 account in the murder trial. He rejected assertions that Lindy 1:49:58.439 --> 1:50:01.200 Chamberlain was a bad mother, all that she might have 1:50:01.200 --> 1:50:04.639 been suffering from postnatal depression, stating there were no signs 1:50:04.680 --> 1:50:07.320 to show that at all. She had never manifested any 1:50:07.320 --> 1:50:09.840 symptoms to suggest she might be violent towards anyone of 1:50:09.840 --> 1:50:14.280 her children. She believed the grief Lindy displayed was genuine, 1:50:14.320 --> 1:50:17.040 and that her lack of help in assisting with the 1:50:17.080 --> 1:50:20.400 search could be explained of her early acceptance that Azaria 1:50:20.520 --> 1:50:23.479 was already deceased and her need to remain close to 1:50:23.479 --> 1:50:29.880 her to surviving children. In regards to the fight like 1:50:30.080 --> 1:50:34.519 the blood under the dashboard of the car, Justice Mauling 1:50:34.800 --> 1:50:38.400 accepted that it was most likely what do you think? 1:50:38.600 --> 1:50:41.920 Sticky Substance found that forensic experts were like we can't 1:50:41.920 --> 1:50:43.840 prove that it was definitely blood, but it could. 1:50:43.720 --> 1:50:45.400 Be blood just saliva or something. 1:50:46.560 --> 1:50:51.559 It was paint paint according to this coroner. Oh, like 1:50:51.640 --> 1:50:55.080 this is what we're saying about, like waterproofing paint. Oh 1:50:55.160 --> 1:50:57.719 so this is always saying about like you're getting different 1:50:57.720 --> 1:50:59.880 experts for different things. I suppose, especially in the eighties 1:51:00.520 --> 1:51:05.240 science obviously you know, blasts ahead very quickly. 1:51:05.360 --> 1:51:05.519 Yea. 1:51:07.760 --> 1:51:10.360 For all these forensic experts have said, yeah, it could 1:51:10.400 --> 1:51:12.920 be blood, and a coron has gone no, I except 1:51:13.000 --> 1:51:13.559 that it could. 1:51:13.360 --> 1:51:15.479 Be it's most likely paint. 1:51:15.880 --> 1:51:18.639 Wow, she likes non spawn unless you want to see 1:51:18.640 --> 1:51:19.960 as expert, that's what. 1:51:21.680 --> 1:51:25.280 The coroner declared. The prosecution had provided no evidence of 1:51:25.320 --> 1:51:29.759 the Chambers Chamberlain's guilt and he absolved them of any 1:51:29.840 --> 1:51:32.719 responsibility daughter's death. 1:51:33.880 --> 1:51:36.520 Imagine that fourteen months of her waiting. 1:51:36.680 --> 1:51:40.559 That was all going on. This could be happening, but 1:51:40.640 --> 1:51:43.800 I can't gart like, I can't get excited because it 1:51:43.840 --> 1:51:48.559 didn't happen last time. The Northern Territory government offered both 1:51:48.680 --> 1:51:52.080 Michael and Lindy a pardon. Now do you know the 1:51:52.120 --> 1:51:57.280 difference between a pardon and an acquittal. So pardon essentially 1:51:57.320 --> 1:52:00.599 means they are forgiven for their crimes, like, you don't 1:52:00.600 --> 1:52:02.519 have to spend any more time. We'll let you go. 1:52:02.600 --> 1:52:03.400 We'll let you off. 1:52:03.600 --> 1:52:06.120 Basically means we'll let you off rather than we accept 1:52:06.160 --> 1:52:07.000 you didn't do it. 1:52:07.400 --> 1:52:09.519 Okay, sure, but what. 1:52:09.400 --> 1:52:12.120 It means a part of means the conviction isn't quashed. 1:52:12.560 --> 1:52:15.000 So it's still on their record that still goes like 1:52:15.080 --> 1:52:17.880 the cause of death on her death certificate still says 1:52:17.880 --> 1:52:19.240 that they're just pardoned. 1:52:19.600 --> 1:52:20.280 Oh okay. 1:52:20.680 --> 1:52:24.559 The chamberlains fought this. They were absolutely not We're not 1:52:24.760 --> 1:52:27.360 going down for this in the eyes of the law anything. 1:52:28.000 --> 1:52:30.880 And in September nineteen eighty eight, when I was just 1:52:31.000 --> 1:52:34.240 a wee bub I was born in August Eightio, the 1:52:34.280 --> 1:52:38.559 Northern Territory Court of Appeals finally officially agreed to quash 1:52:38.680 --> 1:52:39.600 their convictions. 1:52:40.040 --> 1:52:41.760 My god, so. 1:52:41.880 --> 1:52:44.839 Yeah, in September nineteen eighty eight. It was August nineteen 1:52:44.920 --> 1:52:47.840 eighty that Azariah died. 1:52:48.120 --> 1:52:50.360 Wow, and you're going to just walk away from a 1:52:50.439 --> 1:52:51.120 pardon and go. 1:52:51.160 --> 1:52:53.919 Well, yea exactly, that's what they said. They're like, no, 1:52:54.040 --> 1:52:56.559 there is a big difference between being in ascent. 1:52:56.840 --> 1:52:57.120 Yeah. 1:52:57.320 --> 1:53:02.719 Correct. They Suedary government seeking four million dollars for pain 1:53:02.920 --> 1:53:06.920 suffering and loss of wages in nineteen ninety two, so 1:53:07.200 --> 1:53:10.759 these took the years Jesus Christ exactly. They were granted 1:53:10.800 --> 1:53:15.599 compensation of for Lindy nine hundred thousand and for Michael 1:53:15.720 --> 1:53:19.559 four hundred thousand, So that asked for four million. Yeah, 1:53:19.640 --> 1:53:23.240 sure they got one point three, okay, But the weirdest 1:53:23.240 --> 1:53:26.960 part to me is that Lindy got nine hundred thousand 1:53:26.960 --> 1:53:28.960 compensation and Michael got four hundred. 1:53:29.240 --> 1:53:30.599 Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. 1:53:30.640 --> 1:53:32.120 Like, sorry, Lindy was the one that was. 1:53:32.080 --> 1:53:34.439 Incarcerated and accused of. 1:53:36.160 --> 1:53:38.960 That must be a thing about the wage loss because 1:53:39.000 --> 1:53:40.920 Lindy didn't make as much money about it when he 1:53:41.120 --> 1:53:44.880 was full time care for the children, that it must 1:53:44.880 --> 1:53:45.200 be that. 1:53:45.240 --> 1:53:47.280 You'd also think the legal fees must come into that 1:53:47.320 --> 1:53:50.120 as well, like that should be another thing on top of. 1:53:50.400 --> 1:53:55.400 Well no, well yeah, I don't know now. When questioned 1:53:55.400 --> 1:53:58.120 about why this was so much less than the lower 1:53:58.160 --> 1:54:02.200 than the four million dollars that they had sought, a 1:54:02.240 --> 1:54:05.479 spokesperson for the Attorney General said the government had no 1:54:05.600 --> 1:54:07.280 legal obligation to pay them anything. 1:54:07.720 --> 1:54:08.360 Oh my god. 1:54:08.560 --> 1:54:11.439 So I think there's still this like just disdain towards them, 1:54:11.439 --> 1:54:14.320 and I think especially the Northern Territory government and police 1:54:14.400 --> 1:54:20.360 are angry that and embarrassed probably that this back and 1:54:20.439 --> 1:54:20.920 forth and. 1:54:20.920 --> 1:54:25.360 Back and forth. But also I think that the mistreatment 1:54:25.800 --> 1:54:29.600 and the early images and how Lindy behaved and like 1:54:29.640 --> 1:54:31.080 we always say, you don't know how you're going to 1:54:31.120 --> 1:54:34.400 behave in a situation until you're there. The way that 1:54:34.480 --> 1:54:37.360 she spoke, the way she wore, the sunglasses. I reckon, 1:54:37.480 --> 1:54:41.440 people have got this entrench knowledge of her, yes and not, 1:54:41.720 --> 1:54:44.160 and it's so stubborn that they're not ever going to 1:54:44.200 --> 1:54:45.000 see then when. 1:54:44.840 --> 1:54:48.000 They go, but hang on. Six years later, a jacket 1:54:48.120 --> 1:54:53.680 was found with saliva as well. She said she had 1:54:53.720 --> 1:54:57.560 been wearing and people go, n no, something I just did. 1:54:57.600 --> 1:54:59.320 I believe it. I reckon it was still her. People 1:54:59.360 --> 1:55:02.880 goes to us, I still recognize her. Yeah, anyway, it's 1:55:02.880 --> 1:55:05.960 still not finished. We nearly, I promise we nearly are. 1:55:07.760 --> 1:55:13.360 Enjoy it. Survey monkey just then everyone's doing it. 1:55:13.400 --> 1:55:15.720 Digs is asleep. That must mean he likes it. 1:55:16.040 --> 1:55:16.240 Hey. 1:55:16.440 --> 1:55:20.320 We actually had one of our listeners messaged me on 1:55:20.400 --> 1:55:24.680 Instagram saying your voice is very relaxing, and I was like, oh, 1:55:24.680 --> 1:55:26.560 thank you. I know, like I've got a weird unique, 1:55:26.800 --> 1:55:29.120 very deep voice. It's nice to hear that. It's relaxing 1:55:29.160 --> 1:55:31.960 to you. She goes, yeah, I listened to your other podcast. 1:55:32.040 --> 1:55:34.040 Everyone else has an X to go to sleep every night. 1:55:34.320 --> 1:55:36.360 That's great, and then she guys, and I was listening 1:55:36.400 --> 1:55:37.720 to this one in the car the other day and 1:55:37.720 --> 1:55:40.320 I felt myself getting tired and I was like, oh too, voice. 1:55:40.400 --> 1:55:43.760 I was like, oh okay, thanks, Oh god, We're about 1:55:43.800 --> 1:55:45.800 three hours into this episode. I wonder how you're going. 1:55:45.840 --> 1:55:49.480 Do you listen? The right to tie things up legally, 1:55:50.280 --> 1:55:53.680 because now it had been stated that Lindy wasn't guilty 1:55:53.680 --> 1:55:55.280 of her murder, so they had to go, right, well, 1:55:55.320 --> 1:55:57.320 what do we put on the death certificate for this child? 1:55:58.720 --> 1:56:04.320 Another coronial inquiry to happen. It was much more okay, 1:56:05.080 --> 1:56:08.120 and this coroner found in nineteen ninety five that the 1:56:08.200 --> 1:56:12.280 chamberlains were in no way involved, but he could not 1:56:12.680 --> 1:56:16.440 reasonably determine that it was definitely a dingo attack either, 1:56:17.400 --> 1:56:19.919 so the nine week old's cause of death was officially 1:56:20.000 --> 1:56:24.400 ruled as unknown. Wow, the story still does. 1:56:24.240 --> 1:56:27.560 Not and there I think it would be such a 1:56:27.720 --> 1:56:30.240 huge thing as well, and such a kick to the 1:56:30.280 --> 1:56:34.240 professional people that go for another one to be escalated 1:56:34.280 --> 1:56:36.320 and that's found wrong for the other one. And also 1:56:36.400 --> 1:56:38.920 like I imagine the High Court and Supreme Court as 1:56:38.920 --> 1:56:42.520 well overturn that imagine those people were originally. 1:56:42.720 --> 1:56:45.360 It almost does feel a bit political, doesn't It does? 1:56:45.400 --> 1:56:50.840 It does, but it feels that personally to me that 1:56:50.920 --> 1:56:55.480 it's like, oh, we can't you can't prove it was 1:56:55.520 --> 1:56:58.200 definitely a dingo. Like, Okay, we can't prove that Lindy 1:56:58.320 --> 1:57:00.480 did it, so we'll say she didn't do it, but 1:57:00.800 --> 1:57:02.640 we can't prove that it was a dingo, so let's 1:57:02.680 --> 1:57:03.440 just say we don't know. 1:57:03.960 --> 1:57:05.920 Yeah, yeah, seems like a good cop out. 1:57:06.200 --> 1:57:10.120 But the story doesn't end there. A decade after that, 1:57:10.560 --> 1:57:17.240 in two thousand and four, the Azaria Chamberlain case made 1:57:17.240 --> 1:57:23.320 headlines yet again. Seventy eight year old Melbourne man Frank 1:57:23.480 --> 1:57:28.440 Cole said that he had been at Ularu on August seventeen, 1:57:28.560 --> 1:57:33.080 nineteen eighty, when he and his two companions came across 1:57:33.120 --> 1:57:37.960 a dingo carrying a baby in its jaws. So the 1:57:38.000 --> 1:57:41.800 baby's face and ear were badly mutilated and her head 1:57:41.880 --> 1:57:45.600 was covered in blood. Frank claimed he shot the dingo 1:57:46.400 --> 1:57:49.080 and the three men washed and cleaned the baby what. 1:57:49.800 --> 1:57:51.720 But it then occurred to them that they might be 1:57:51.840 --> 1:57:55.440 tampering with evidence, so they placed her body in a bag. 1:57:56.640 --> 1:57:59.680 Frank returned home ahead of his group, and the other 1:57:59.720 --> 1:58:03.560 two men said they would take the baby to the police. Now, 1:58:03.600 --> 1:58:06.480 Frank says he wasn't sure what happened next, as they 1:58:06.520 --> 1:58:09.440 may as they made a pact to never speak of 1:58:09.480 --> 1:58:13.440 it again. He believed, as he was telling police in 1:58:13.600 --> 1:58:15.800 two thousand and four, that one of the men may 1:58:15.840 --> 1:58:18.480 have buried the baby in the backyard of their suburban 1:58:18.560 --> 1:58:23.000 Melbourne home. Frank explained that he didn't come forward earlier 1:58:23.160 --> 1:58:25.560 out of the fear he would be charged for firing 1:58:25.640 --> 1:58:29.280 a gun in a national park. Oh, Frank, like, I sorry, 1:58:29.320 --> 1:58:32.240 I call bullshit on that. I'm watching I'm watching Mister 1:58:32.280 --> 1:58:34.800 in Between at the moment, which is about a hitman, 1:58:35.360 --> 1:58:39.760 and I'm like, no, in my opinion, allegedly Frank had 1:58:39.960 --> 1:58:42.400 there were the fucking not do things going on. You 1:58:42.480 --> 1:58:45.640 don't not come forward about a baby's body because you 1:58:45.640 --> 1:58:47.680 think you might get in trouble for shut for firing 1:58:47.720 --> 1:58:50.880 a gun. The entire country is looking for how this 1:58:50.960 --> 1:58:52.360 baby died for decades. 1:58:52.480 --> 1:58:54.840 It's also not a case that you would not if 1:58:54.880 --> 1:58:59.440 you were alone. Yes, not have not heard of this is. 1:58:59.440 --> 1:59:01.320 Come forward about it in two thousand. 1:59:01.040 --> 1:59:05.000 And four, Frank, it's an ex. 1:59:05.000 --> 1:59:07.400 Boyfriend of mine's name. I've said that said many times 1:59:08.160 --> 1:59:14.040 with just as much anger. But after suffering a serious 1:59:14.120 --> 1:59:18.040 accident in two thousand and four, he felt, at seventy 1:59:18.040 --> 1:59:20.360 eight years old, he had to clear his conscience. Oh, 1:59:21.240 --> 1:59:24.640 Franks two companions had since passed away, meaning there was 1:59:24.680 --> 1:59:28.560 no one to validate his claims. Now the home of 1:59:28.760 --> 1:59:33.120 where the alleged burial site might have been, had they. 1:59:33.120 --> 1:59:36.040 Have brought the baby back to Melbourne. 1:59:35.280 --> 1:59:37.839 Exactly, I just to be like, if it's on our property, 1:59:37.960 --> 1:59:42.720 people won't just come across it. Is the idea. Yeah, 1:59:42.720 --> 1:59:45.960 that place that Frank had said he thinks it might 1:59:46.000 --> 1:59:49.600 have been buried had since undergone major extensions, and it's 1:59:49.640 --> 1:59:51.640 new owner told police they could only dig on his 1:59:51.680 --> 1:59:55.120 property if they produced tangible evidence of what they expected 1:59:55.120 --> 1:59:56.880 to find. Essentially, they would have had to knock down 1:59:56.920 --> 1:59:59.640 the house to dig under it. And he was like, 2:00:00.200 --> 2:00:02.960 I mean, if you've got tangible evidence of the fact 2:00:02.960 --> 2:00:06.520 that you really believe that you think you'll find Bazzaria's body, 2:00:06.640 --> 2:00:09.480 I'll let you, but not otherwise. An officer who was 2:00:09.480 --> 2:00:12.520 involved with the original investigation way back in nineteen eighty 2:00:12.800 --> 2:00:16.720 told ABC News that although it was a feasible story, 2:00:17.080 --> 2:00:19.680 he did hold doubts about whether it could be true. 2:00:19.960 --> 2:00:24.960 Frank's story, right, Okay. 2:00:22.960 --> 2:00:25.960 They definitely couldn't provide tangible evidence. 2:00:25.560 --> 2:00:27.160 And bizarre thing to make up though. 2:00:28.080 --> 2:00:31.000 Yeah, but he might have you know, yeah, a seventy 2:00:31.000 --> 2:00:32.879 eight year old man he'd just had a serious accident, 2:00:32.960 --> 2:00:35.040 might have got a head knock. You've told me stories 2:00:35.040 --> 2:00:38.520 about how your grandpa on his deathbed started confessing to 2:00:38.560 --> 2:00:42.920 all his murders, which which we don't believe. I mean, 2:00:42.960 --> 2:00:47.360 I believe you them. I think it's great. You know, 2:00:47.960 --> 2:00:50.080 older people and they've had head knocks and all sorts 2:00:50.080 --> 2:00:52.560 of things. We've spoken in so many other cases as 2:00:52.600 --> 2:00:55.240 well about people just wanting headlines and wanting to be 2:00:55.400 --> 2:01:00.440 involved in something. Now. Lindy Chamberlain said public that if 2:01:00.440 --> 2:01:03.480 Frank's claims were true, she would not hold any grudges 2:01:03.520 --> 2:01:06.600 against him for not coming forward sooner. I caught bullshit 2:01:06.680 --> 2:01:10.880 on that. Yeah, no one's surely no one is like 2:01:10.960 --> 2:01:13.000 religious enough to hold. 2:01:12.880 --> 2:01:16.040 Being destroyed by the loss of their nine week or 2:01:16.160 --> 2:01:16.680 baby and. 2:01:17.040 --> 2:01:21.000 Then years and years and years. Michael Chamberlain said, I 2:01:21.040 --> 2:01:23.960 do forgive the man if he's telling the truth, and 2:01:24.000 --> 2:01:27.040 I'd be happy for him not to be prosecuted because 2:01:27.040 --> 2:01:29.960 he has carried a very big cross for a long time. 2:01:31.640 --> 2:01:34.760 Both the Northern Territory and Victoria Police, because he was 2:01:34.760 --> 2:01:38.280 a Melbourne man, agreed to investigate Frank's claims, but nothing, 2:01:38.800 --> 2:01:42.120 With nothing to substantiate his story, it was dismissed and 2:01:42.200 --> 2:01:43.160 ultimately went nowhere. 2:01:43.480 --> 2:01:45.200 The backyard is not going to be dune up than 2:01:46.520 --> 2:01:46.960 and of. 2:01:46.920 --> 2:01:50.960 Course Sammy, there is still one more updates to come. 2:01:52.560 --> 2:01:56.600 The Chamberlain's continued campaigning to clear their names over the years. 2:01:57.320 --> 2:02:00.800 Although the last inquest had returned their presumption of innocence, 2:02:01.440 --> 2:02:04.840 they sought full exoneration. They wanted to be if they 2:02:04.880 --> 2:02:08.320 wanted the death certificate to say it's not unknown how 2:02:08.320 --> 2:02:13.040 she died she was taken by a dingo. On August seventeen, 2:02:13.440 --> 2:02:20.800 twenty ten, exactly thirty years after Azzari's disappearance, Lindy published 2:02:20.840 --> 2:02:23.440 an open letter on her own website, Lindy Chamberlain dot 2:02:23.480 --> 2:02:27.200 com wow, calling on the Northern Territory government to amend 2:02:27.240 --> 2:02:32.880 her daughter's death certificate. The Attorney General advised that the 2:02:32.920 --> 2:02:35.840 power to make this change would lay with the Coroner's office. 2:02:35.960 --> 2:02:38.680 Attorney General's hands up. It's not mine's an arm to 2:02:38.680 --> 2:02:41.560 may stop bringing into this for thirty years, leave me alone. 2:02:41.720 --> 2:02:43.920 It's that penny one. Nopeep. 2:02:44.920 --> 2:02:50.480 The following year, Northern Territory Deputy Coroner Elizabeth Morris announced 2:02:50.520 --> 2:02:56.400 that new revelations regarding dingo behavior had emerged, so she 2:02:56.440 --> 2:02:59.400 would be opening another in quest. 2:03:00.200 --> 2:03:02.480 Oh my god, seventeen. 2:03:03.440 --> 2:03:09.120 That quest commenced in February twenty twelve. It was much smaller. 2:03:09.120 --> 2:03:09.880 Okay, okay. 2:03:09.960 --> 2:03:12.840 It's centered around a series of dingo attacks that had 2:03:12.840 --> 2:03:16.959 occurred against children on Fraser Island, a popular tourist destination 2:03:17.040 --> 2:03:19.800 off the coast of Queensland. Okay, so there had been 2:03:20.040 --> 2:03:23.080 between twenty and one and twenty eleven, there had been 2:03:23.400 --> 2:03:26.520 a nine year old boy killed by dingo and two 2:03:26.600 --> 2:03:28.760 little girls aged three and four severely bitten. 2:03:29.120 --> 2:03:29.600 Wow. 2:03:29.800 --> 2:03:34.440 So, as they said earlier, there's not a lot known 2:03:34.480 --> 2:03:37.640 about dingos because they are so why apart from the 2:03:37.720 --> 2:03:41.080 London guy, they're so I mean, there's more known now, 2:03:41.200 --> 2:03:45.680 but they're so wild. Yes, they haven't really been able 2:03:45.760 --> 2:03:51.520 to be studied. That well and all that closely. So, yeah, 2:03:51.840 --> 2:03:55.640 there are loof as they're a loofer. As everyone always says, dingos, 2:03:55.680 --> 2:03:56.200 there are a loof. 2:03:57.320 --> 2:03:58.280 I'd love to get to know what it is. 2:03:58.440 --> 2:04:03.160 Let me at least sentence off of it, so to 2:04:03.360 --> 2:04:04.760 me want to work out what you're trying to say. 2:04:06.760 --> 2:04:09.920 New dingo research had also been done over all of 2:04:09.960 --> 2:04:14.320 these years, which finally proved they actually did prey on 2:04:14.480 --> 2:04:17.800 larger mammals like wallabies, which are about the size of 2:04:17.800 --> 2:04:22.240 Anne we called baby. In June twenty twelve, the coroner 2:04:22.320 --> 2:04:26.400 handed down the finding that she was satisfied Azaria had 2:04:26.440 --> 2:04:28.040 been taken by a dingo. 2:04:28.960 --> 2:04:29.680 Wow. 2:04:29.840 --> 2:04:32.640 Now, I mean, this is just a little titbit here. 2:04:33.520 --> 2:04:37.840 I find it interesting that the first female yes, yeah, 2:04:38.200 --> 2:04:41.720 coroner or judge involved in any of this is the 2:04:41.720 --> 2:04:44.560 one that, well, sorry, no, that's unfair to the very 2:04:44.600 --> 2:04:48.200 first coroner who said the same thing. Yeah, okay, Well 2:04:48.240 --> 2:04:50.080 he didn't say it's definitely a dingo, but he said 2:04:50.120 --> 2:04:51.960 it's definitely not Lindy. Remember he was the one that 2:04:52.000 --> 2:04:55.120 said there could have been I think the dingo took 2:04:55.160 --> 2:04:58.200 her and then someone else might have interfered and hidden 2:04:58.200 --> 2:05:01.200 their things panicked. But I just found it interesting in 2:05:01.240 --> 2:05:03.000 researching this and was saying, Oh, it's the first time 2:05:03.200 --> 2:05:07.280 a female has presided over it, and she's gone made 2:05:07.280 --> 2:05:12.320 these fucking parents sleep. Yes, I'm paraphrasing there. She didn't 2:05:12.320 --> 2:05:16.760 say that. She apologized to the Chamberlain's publicly and formally, 2:05:17.160 --> 2:05:21.560 not casually, for all they had endured, stating quote, I 2:05:21.600 --> 2:05:24.520 am so sorry for your loss. Time does not remove 2:05:24.520 --> 2:05:26.840 the pain and the sadness of the death of a child. 2:05:28.200 --> 2:05:32.160 Spectators applauded, and that the Chamberlain's wept before an amended 2:05:32.160 --> 2:05:36.280 death certificate for Azaria was made available for the family. 2:05:36.320 --> 2:05:40.280 Outside the court house, Lindy told reporters, we are relieved 2:05:40.360 --> 2:05:42.720 and delighted to come to the end of this saga. 2:05:43.280 --> 2:05:46.320 Michael thanked the coroner for her finding, remarking, this has 2:05:46.360 --> 2:05:50.440 been a terrifying battle, bitter at times, but now some 2:05:50.480 --> 2:05:53.840 healing and a chance to put our daughter's spirit to rest. 2:05:54.480 --> 2:05:54.640 Now. 2:05:54.680 --> 2:05:57.480 By this time, Lindy and Michael had separated and had 2:05:57.520 --> 2:06:01.440 both since remarried. Lindy went on to release a book 2:06:01.480 --> 2:06:05.760 that was originally titled Through My Eyes. She later changed 2:06:05.800 --> 2:06:08.360 the title to The Dingo's Got My Baby. I think 2:06:08.440 --> 2:06:11.680 publishers were like a human bag, you know, come on, 2:06:11.840 --> 2:06:12.080 I know. 2:06:12.240 --> 2:06:12.440 Yeah. 2:06:13.600 --> 2:06:16.280 Also, yes, they didn't. They said no to that because 2:06:16.280 --> 2:06:20.640 it's terrible. In this book, she spoke obviously about her 2:06:20.880 --> 2:06:23.600 experience of all of it. What happened she said. Revealed 2:06:23.640 --> 2:06:25.560 in the book as well that she and Michael had 2:06:25.600 --> 2:06:30.040 actually been speaking about separating before all of this happened. 2:06:30.160 --> 2:06:32.880 They and he supported her through it all, but they 2:06:33.040 --> 2:06:35.680 just the marriage just didn't have you passed throughout it? 2:06:35.760 --> 2:06:37.480 No interesting, Yeah. 2:06:37.440 --> 2:06:41.840 Yeah, it would be from researching this story, like you know, 2:06:42.120 --> 2:06:44.640 obviously heard lots of parts from that. But no, I 2:06:44.640 --> 2:06:46.800 haven't read it. You should read it, you're in your 2:06:47.160 --> 2:06:49.040 true crime reading era. 2:06:49.320 --> 2:06:52.040 Helen Ghana wrote it, absolutely, no, you definitely would. 2:06:53.640 --> 2:06:58.200 Michael Chamberlain sadly passed away in twenty seventeen from leukemia. 2:06:58.880 --> 2:07:02.240 I will finish this Mammoth episode with a quote from 2:07:02.280 --> 2:07:08.160 the Age newspaper that explored an article explored the gendered 2:07:08.280 --> 2:07:12.120 nature of the criticism that surrounded Lindy, and it said 2:07:12.600 --> 2:07:16.320 many of those who believed Lindy Chamberlain guilty maintained that 2:07:16.400 --> 2:07:19.000 the baby had been killed in some kind of obscure 2:07:19.160 --> 2:07:23.280 sacrificial ritual. So it is deeply ironic that the trial 2:07:23.320 --> 2:07:27.600 itself turned to be a sacrificial ritual on a national scale. 2:07:28.640 --> 2:07:31.680 Those who claimed that the name Azaria meant sacrifice in 2:07:31.680 --> 2:07:35.120 the wilderness spoke more truly than they knew. They simply 2:07:35.160 --> 2:07:39.840 mistook the identity of the victim. So it's essentially saying 2:07:40.000 --> 2:07:43.760 Lindy ended up being a sacrifice. She was sacrificed to 2:07:43.840 --> 2:07:48.240 this gross beast that is the Australian media. I put 2:07:48.280 --> 2:07:51.480 my hands up ahead, its not around them. But isn't 2:07:51.480 --> 2:07:54.080 that a beautiful I just think, like, that's such a 2:07:54.120 --> 2:07:59.080 beautiful prose. Yeah, and that is a brief of you 2:08:00.480 --> 2:08:04.520 of the story of Lindy Michael and Azaria Chamberlain. Wow, 2:08:04.760 --> 2:08:06.440 Bingo got her baby. 2:08:07.040 --> 2:08:10.360 That is it's so insane to look at that as 2:08:10.680 --> 2:08:14.800 as the whole story. Because I also look at like 2:08:16.200 --> 2:08:21.760 even your Reagan being in the tent, Yeah, going happ up. 2:08:21.720 --> 2:08:25.320 To a dingo. But again I'm the same thing. Dingo 2:08:25.360 --> 2:08:28.920 walks in, goes sweet, a baby, grabs her in its mouth, 2:08:29.760 --> 2:08:30.640 killed her instantly. 2:08:31.520 --> 2:08:33.320 Like that's has Reagan ever said anything? 2:08:34.080 --> 2:08:37.440 Not found whom I found looking at this the most 2:08:37.480 --> 2:08:40.360 interesting thing I found because such a famous story in 2:08:40.360 --> 2:08:45.000 Australia I knew that she'd been found guilty and then exonerated. Yes, 2:08:45.120 --> 2:08:48.520 I did not know the background of the This inquest 2:08:48.600 --> 2:08:50.240 said this, then the next one said this, then the 2:08:50.240 --> 2:08:52.080 trial said this, that an inquest said this. I didn't 2:08:52.120 --> 2:08:54.640 know there was that many parts. And that was another 2:08:54.680 --> 2:08:57.960 thing that anger from the public as well really was 2:08:58.000 --> 2:09:00.240 exacerbated by the fact that they had been so many 2:09:00.280 --> 2:09:02.720 inquiries and trials. It was like, how much tax payer 2:09:02.760 --> 2:09:07.040 money are we spending to keep investigating this when she. 2:09:07.080 --> 2:09:08.640 Sound guilty every time? 2:09:08.880 --> 2:09:12.080 Yeah? Well, yeah exactly. And then when she was bailed, 2:09:12.520 --> 2:09:17.040 when she was granted bail while guilty, Yeah, I mean 2:09:17.680 --> 2:09:20.000 we know now she wasn't guilty, but you know, when 2:09:20.120 --> 2:09:23.440 she had had baby Klia and was let out, well, 2:09:23.480 --> 2:09:25.600 the appeal was being dealt with everyone's like, well, hang on, 2:09:25.880 --> 2:09:28.960 why have we spent money on two inquests and a 2:09:29.080 --> 2:09:32.040 trial just to let her out on bail anyway, Like 2:09:32.080 --> 2:09:35.600 you're wasting everyone's money, So that that really contributed to 2:09:35.800 --> 2:09:37.040 the hatred for her as well. 2:09:37.680 --> 2:09:39.360 Yeah, it is. And like I said at the start, 2:09:39.440 --> 2:09:41.800 like you know, the Amanda Knock story, like it is 2:09:41.960 --> 2:09:42.840 such that. 2:09:42.800 --> 2:09:45.320 I wouldn't let you say it then, but it is such. 2:09:45.160 --> 2:09:48.120 A it's such an interesting thing to go because she 2:09:48.120 --> 2:09:54.080 didn't behave in the way that everyone expected, and that was. 2:09:54.040 --> 2:09:55.760 The Australian media as well. That's why I find that 2:09:55.800 --> 2:10:02.240 an interesting comparison to And I think it's like, here's 2:10:02.320 --> 2:10:05.400 me just jumping on my feminist stool. 2:10:05.800 --> 2:10:07.560 Stool, Yeah, on your stool. 2:10:07.320 --> 2:10:12.520 No pedestal, pedestal which is not pedestal. Those I said stool, 2:10:12.640 --> 2:10:14.440 you know, I was looking at this stool place next 2:10:14.480 --> 2:10:23.640 me to put my chans on pedestal of media people 2:10:24.200 --> 2:10:28.640 Australians just don't like women. Joe Anne Lee's the one, 2:10:28.720 --> 2:10:34.680 so Peter Falconie's girlfriend, and Linda Chamberlain is Aaron Chamblain's 2:10:34.720 --> 2:10:39.680 mother were not guilty. It has been proven they were 2:10:39.720 --> 2:10:43.440 not guilty, but still in people's minds we go I 2:10:43.440 --> 2:10:46.120 don't know though, I don't know. It's just like we 2:10:46.120 --> 2:10:48.240 were told to hate this woman, so everyone just does 2:10:48.280 --> 2:10:51.520 and believes it blindly, even when they've been proven not guilty. 2:10:52.000 --> 2:10:55.200 Like people, I think more so people know like, oh yeah, 2:10:55.360 --> 2:10:57.880 oh it's all good to the dingo did get her baby, 2:10:57.920 --> 2:10:58.880 but still don't like her. 2:10:59.440 --> 2:11:01.800 I also, yeah, I also found it really interesting that 2:11:01.880 --> 2:11:04.360 it is still a joke, like you know, this is 2:11:04.400 --> 2:11:07.200 a kind of a comedy crime podcast. But you know 2:11:07.640 --> 2:11:11.600 we love we we love the people that we talk about. 2:11:11.640 --> 2:11:13.840 You know, there's there's the victims. We're always talking about 2:11:14.160 --> 2:11:16.720 the victims. We're only talking about the victims in a way. 2:11:16.880 --> 2:11:18.480 And is the thing Lindy is a victim in there? 2:11:18.560 --> 2:11:21.720 Yes, and and and it's a joke like people put 2:11:22.080 --> 2:11:25.800 on an Australian accent because it's what they know. They know, 2:11:25.920 --> 2:11:29.560 but they might not know the the horror because, like 2:11:29.600 --> 2:11:35.160 I said, how awful would that be to go not 2:11:35.360 --> 2:11:40.120 only are you your your baby has been taken, and 2:11:40.160 --> 2:11:42.280 then you're looked at and. 2:11:42.240 --> 2:11:45.200 It's looked at like spat on in this street first 2:11:45.600 --> 2:11:46.080 looked at. 2:11:46.480 --> 2:11:50.600 Imagine you first being there going me, why am I? 2:11:50.440 --> 2:11:52.680 I told you my mother, I'm the last person in 2:11:52.680 --> 2:11:54.160 the whole world that would do that. 2:11:54.560 --> 2:11:55.080 I told you. 2:11:55.240 --> 2:11:57.360 And I'm the one that saw the fucking dinko, mate, 2:11:57.400 --> 2:11:59.120 what do you mean I didn't I saw it? 2:11:59.480 --> 2:12:03.680 Yeah, Oh it is horrible to think of that. And 2:12:03.720 --> 2:12:07.320 also like you know that, I imagine relationships changed, Like 2:12:07.400 --> 2:12:12.400 even said that the friend dubbed the the dog blood 2:12:13.040 --> 2:12:15.080 blood andbed her in them were like. 2:12:15.080 --> 2:12:17.000 Wow, there was there were blood on the there was 2:12:17.000 --> 2:12:19.320 blood on the tracks, so she didn't tell me there was, 2:12:19.360 --> 2:12:21.120 so that she's a physiding something. 2:12:21.000 --> 2:12:23.560 And so relationships would change. I mean, I wonder, do 2:12:23.560 --> 2:12:26.760 you know what happened with Lindy after she was released? 2:12:26.760 --> 2:12:28.920 Did she did she have a career, was she able 2:12:28.960 --> 2:12:32.080 to she remarried? I didn't know anything. 2:12:32.520 --> 2:12:37.000 She remarried. She interestingly became very very very close friends 2:12:37.160 --> 2:12:41.800 with one of the jurors from her trial. So one 2:12:41.800 --> 2:12:46.920 of the jurors said she felt sick about the whole 2:12:46.920 --> 2:12:49.800 thing and reached out to Lindy saying, you know, I'm 2:12:49.800 --> 2:12:51.520 so sorry that I was part of that, and they 2:12:51.560 --> 2:12:54.879 kind of became penpals and then became like best friends. Wow, 2:12:54.960 --> 2:12:57.920 which is it? Like that really shows you know, again, 2:12:58.080 --> 2:13:02.200 we're not religious people, but something I find very really 2:13:02.400 --> 2:13:05.520 beautiful and I almost quite envy about people who have 2:13:06.360 --> 2:13:14.320 such strong faith. Is there just the ability to to forgive. Yeah, yeah, 2:13:14.400 --> 2:13:15.600 unreservedly forgive. 2:13:15.760 --> 2:13:17.040 Yeah yeah. 2:13:17.160 --> 2:13:19.560 I would never forgive someone that found me guilty of 2:13:19.680 --> 2:13:21.800 murdering if I hadn't done it. 2:13:21.960 --> 2:13:25.880 Yeah, I know. But also you look at how Australia 2:13:26.040 --> 2:13:28.480 was at that time, Like you look at that and go, 2:13:28.600 --> 2:13:32.480 well everyone thought she was guilty. Yeah, look, I'm I 2:13:32.840 --> 2:13:35.240 I heard of the story, like I think everyone in 2:13:35.240 --> 2:13:37.280 Australia particularly has heard of this story. 2:13:37.320 --> 2:13:39.600 And it happened before you were born. Yeah yeah, well 2:13:39.880 --> 2:13:41.720 before I was born as well, but we know. 2:13:42.080 --> 2:13:45.240 We know of it. Yeah where when did when did 2:13:45.280 --> 2:13:48.320 John Benet Ramsey? When when was John Bene Ramsey murdered? 2:13:48.480 --> 2:13:51.200 Because of nineties nineties. 2:13:51.160 --> 2:13:52.880 I've just said that that was a complete I regul 2:13:52.920 --> 2:13:53.400 art me google. 2:13:53.760 --> 2:13:56.240 Yeah, because I remember at the start, you know, we 2:13:56.280 --> 2:13:59.840 talked about you know, the did the brother you know, 2:14:00.160 --> 2:14:02.240 was the brother? I remember that was a kind of 2:14:02.240 --> 2:14:06.200 a a thought at the start. Did the brother accidentally 2:14:06.360 --> 2:14:07.200 you know, do something? 2:14:07.280 --> 2:14:10.000 And yeah that's yeah, that's one of those kind of 2:14:10.040 --> 2:14:17.360 widely held beliefs. Yeah, widely held. I reckons ninety six, 2:14:17.520 --> 2:14:18.080 ninety six. 2:14:18.160 --> 2:14:20.680 Yeah, okay, it was on Boxing Day. 2:14:20.720 --> 2:14:21.560 Maybe we should hold that. 2:14:22.080 --> 2:14:25.240 Yeah, yeah, we'll be a fascinating one to do. But 2:14:25.280 --> 2:14:27.680 you and I do find it really interesting about Lindy 2:14:27.720 --> 2:14:32.560 Chamberlain and that name. Everyone kind of knows that name 2:14:33.200 --> 2:14:35.680 in Australia, ye, Like you know the name Lindy Chamberlain. 2:14:35.680 --> 2:14:37.680 Oh yes, And that's so even. 2:14:37.720 --> 2:14:39.880 That's interesting in itself, isn't it that we were like, oh, 2:14:39.920 --> 2:14:42.080 well we'll do this episode and you said, oh, you 2:14:42.120 --> 2:14:45.040 should do Lindy Chamberlain. Well, why don't we think of 2:14:45.080 --> 2:14:48.080 it as as the Azaria Chamberlain story. We'll call the 2:14:48.120 --> 2:14:49.400 episode a Zaria Chamberlain. 2:14:49.440 --> 2:14:49.640 Yeah. 2:14:49.800 --> 2:14:52.680 Yeah, but it is Lindy Chamberlain. Is the name that's 2:14:52.680 --> 2:14:53.840 synonymous with this case. 2:14:54.040 --> 2:14:56.760 Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, that was fascinating. 2:14:58.240 --> 2:15:00.640 I know that you love the simsims and some Felds, 2:15:00.680 --> 2:15:04.920 and also the phrases, yes, phrases. I was trying to 2:15:04.920 --> 2:15:07.680 make a joke, but I said it correctly. Can you 2:15:07.680 --> 2:15:11.400 write into all of your idols and mentors who work 2:15:11.400 --> 2:15:13.280 on those shows and tell them that they were wrong 2:15:13.320 --> 2:15:15.040 for making the dingle ate my baby joke? 2:15:15.280 --> 2:15:17.800 Yeah? Absolutely, I didn't know that Seinfeld and praise of it. 2:15:18.320 --> 2:15:21.080 According to my Yeah, let me go to that as well. 2:15:21.200 --> 2:15:23.680 That's really interesting that they maybe. 2:15:23.520 --> 2:15:26.240 The Simpsons simps, because that was the that was the 2:15:26.280 --> 2:15:28.160 Australian episode. 2:15:28.240 --> 2:15:30.400 Where there were so many Australian I. 2:15:30.320 --> 2:15:34.280 Could hear Jerry Seinfeld saying it, I reckon, yeah, Dingo 2:15:34.960 --> 2:15:39.160 hate your baby? Yeah yeah, And I know it was 2:15:39.160 --> 2:15:42.440 Elaine sorry, Jerry Seinfeld. Yeah, and I can hear her 2:15:42.520 --> 2:15:43.000 saying it now. 2:15:43.280 --> 2:15:44.320 Yeah, right, okay. 2:15:44.800 --> 2:15:49.320 They were trying to blend in at a party in episode. 2:15:50.320 --> 2:15:54.880 The episode is called the Strandard And this is fun stuff, 2:15:54.920 --> 2:15:58.480 isn't it. It's lucky, it's it's been a short episode. 2:15:59.280 --> 2:16:02.480 You've been able to in the world you got And 2:16:02.520 --> 2:16:05.280 we're going to be doing the mail Band very very soon. 2:16:05.440 --> 2:16:06.960 Just so you know, we're just going to let the 2:16:07.040 --> 2:16:12.640 g Love Google live the Fraser the Fraser episode as well, 2:16:12.720 --> 2:16:14.720 because she is absolutely love. 2:16:14.640 --> 2:16:15.320 I'm a Googler. 2:16:15.440 --> 2:16:20.040 She's a Googler from way back. You got five. 2:16:19.840 --> 2:16:23.320 Seconds Niles learns to be a good parent. Apparently it's 2:16:23.360 --> 2:16:23.560 in that. 2:16:24.960 --> 2:16:28.240 What a great fact. Apparently it's in that. Anyway. 2:16:28.840 --> 2:16:31.000 I think that's wrong. I don't think it was all right. 2:16:31.080 --> 2:16:33.520 Well, look, we're gonna let's give up on that. 2:16:34.320 --> 2:16:35.600 We might have been an episode. Good. 2:16:36.520 --> 2:16:40.080 We're going to come back short break and we're gonna 2:16:40.120 --> 2:16:40.280 do it. 2:16:40.800 --> 2:16:43.160 Got your baby, he said, Nile said it. 2:16:43.600 --> 2:16:45.879 I'm so glad we went through all of that so 2:16:46.000 --> 2:16:49.959 you could hear we heard the exact quote. 2:16:50.680 --> 2:16:53.600 They said it correctly. That's why that's why my Google 2:16:53.600 --> 2:16:58.040 search didn't turn it up because I. 2:16:56.440 --> 2:17:00.560 I see wonderful stuff. We'll be back after break with 2:17:00.640 --> 2:17:08.320 the mail bag. Thank you everybody for listening this week 2:17:08.440 --> 2:17:11.880 to the Lindy Chamberlain episode. G did an amazing job 2:17:11.879 --> 2:17:12.240 with that and. 2:17:12.400 --> 2:17:16.279 Sorry it was so long. Hey never job he actually listeners. 2:17:16.640 --> 2:17:19.160 Do you like the long episodes or do you prefer 2:17:19.200 --> 2:17:20.120 them like short and sharp? 2:17:20.280 --> 2:17:20.480 Yeah? 2:17:20.480 --> 2:17:22.520 You tell us, yeah, because if you don't like them 2:17:22.520 --> 2:17:25.000 that long, it's much easier for us. 2:17:25.640 --> 2:17:27.600 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you know twice as much. 2:17:28.080 --> 2:17:29.800 But don't be afraid to tell us if you do 2:17:29.840 --> 2:17:30.680 love the long ones as well. 2:17:30.760 --> 2:17:33.640 Yeah. Don't be afraid. Never be afraid. Afraid at Sammy 2:17:33.640 --> 2:17:36.600 at justinnother company, dot com dot au if you want 2:17:36.600 --> 2:17:38.800 to write in, or you can leave us a speak pipe. 2:17:38.920 --> 2:17:40.680 All of the links are below. 2:17:40.800 --> 2:17:42.400 I just want to say they're allowed to be afraid 2:17:42.480 --> 2:17:45.920 in their like you know about other things. 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I love that. 2:18:18.680 --> 2:18:20.800 This wasn't why I email, though, I need to let 2:18:20.840 --> 2:18:22.840 you know that I wish I went to Billy Ocean 2:18:22.879 --> 2:18:25.320 with you guys, since I convinced my husband to and 2:18:25.360 --> 2:18:27.119 he just made fun of me the whole time. Because 2:18:27.160 --> 2:18:30.200 of the crowd, I was now associated with a Yes. 2:18:31.800 --> 2:18:34.320 We brought the crowd median age down to about yes. 2:18:35.520 --> 2:18:39.080 Also hugely here for a morbid crossover. Wishing you guys 2:18:39.200 --> 2:18:42.240 a wonderful holiday period and a very happy new Year. 2:18:42.240 --> 2:18:44.720 I love you guys, Laura, this is original remail. I 2:18:44.720 --> 2:18:46.520 feel like we did read it, but maybe we didn't. 2:18:46.680 --> 2:18:48.720 Oh my god, Laura, if you just didn't listen. 2:18:49.280 --> 2:18:52.119 God, Hi, Sammy and g Love and obviously Missy Diggins 2:18:52.200 --> 2:18:56.760 and Poudry Hepburn. Longtime listener, first time caller. Listening to 2:18:56.840 --> 2:18:59.640 you both every week makes my commute to and from 2:18:59.680 --> 2:19:02.520 working absolute delight. You're the perfect blend of the good, 2:19:02.600 --> 2:19:06.080 the bad and the ugly, whilst maintaining that strong level 2:19:06.120 --> 2:19:09.120 of respect to both the family, So the victims and 2:19:09.160 --> 2:19:09.680 their family. 2:19:09.800 --> 2:19:11.240 Diggs walked out when you said ugly. 2:19:11.760 --> 2:19:14.440 He didn't like that. I'm also letting you know ahead 2:19:14.440 --> 2:19:18.520 of this, with recent discussions of an m dash being 2:19:18.640 --> 2:19:22.360 a dead giveaway that chat GPT is being utilized and 2:19:22.600 --> 2:19:26.440 as an avid m dash user, I am mortified. I 2:19:26.560 --> 2:19:30.280 promise you, I am not ai. I just love a 2:19:30.640 --> 2:19:32.680 sexy little diatrical mark. 2:19:32.840 --> 2:19:33.000 Oh. 2:19:34.400 --> 2:19:38.240 Whenever you mention your love for both Kangaroo Island and Tasmania, 2:19:38.280 --> 2:19:42.080 I'm briefly reminded of my family of the time my 2:19:42.120 --> 2:19:44.680 family and I were living on Norfolk Island and the 2:19:44.720 --> 2:19:48.520 first murder since one hundred and fifty years was committed 2:19:48.720 --> 2:19:53.039 of a one Janelle pattern. If you haven't heard much 2:19:53.040 --> 2:19:56.400 about it before, not many have. Norfolk Island is a 2:19:56.440 --> 2:19:59.760 tiny external territory of Australia located in the Pacific Ocean, 2:20:00.080 --> 2:20:04.360 its smack bang between Australia and New Zealand, roughly eight 2:20:04.440 --> 2:20:08.840 hundred and seventy seven miles directly east of Australia. The 2:20:08.920 --> 2:20:12.560 most recent census totaled one thousand, seven hundred and forty 2:20:12.600 --> 2:20:18.119 eight inhabitants, and the Hall Island is only fourteen square miles. 2:20:19.760 --> 2:20:23.119 I won't dive too much into detail, as you might 2:20:23.160 --> 2:20:25.360 want to cover it laid down the track, but the 2:20:25.400 --> 2:20:29.320 island has a deep and dark history, serving as a 2:20:29.440 --> 2:20:34.400 convict settlement between seventeen eighty eight and eighteen fifty five. 2:20:34.760 --> 2:20:37.920 In eighteen fifty six, a permanent civilian residence on the 2:20:38.040 --> 2:20:43.320 island began, while my direct descendants of the Bounty Mustaniers 2:20:43.640 --> 2:20:48.600 were relocated from a neighboring island, Pitcan Island. My mum 2:20:48.640 --> 2:20:50.800 spent a lot of her childhood there, with both her 2:20:50.879 --> 2:20:55.280 older brothers and father being born on the island. Two 2:20:55.360 --> 2:20:57.320 thousand and two mark the year we packed up our 2:20:57.400 --> 2:21:00.120 lives here in Australia and moved across to norm for 2:21:00.400 --> 2:21:03.760 a year due to a sick relatives. It also marked 2:21:03.760 --> 2:21:06.840 the year the island experienced their first murder in one 2:21:06.879 --> 2:21:08.279 hundred and fifty years. 2:21:08.360 --> 2:21:09.040 Laura, was it you? 2:21:09.400 --> 2:21:09.520 Well? 2:21:09.640 --> 2:21:10.640 You is? This is a confession? 2:21:10.800 --> 2:21:13.280 It could be, although I don't remember a lot being 2:21:13.480 --> 2:21:14.920 maybe this is the way. I didn't read the email 2:21:14.959 --> 2:21:17.720 the first time, being only ten at the time. I 2:21:17.760 --> 2:21:21.040 do remember evidence being found out the front of our 2:21:21.200 --> 2:21:24.480 very house, Laura Janelle's sunglasses. 2:21:25.000 --> 2:21:28.760 Laura, if you are oh no, actually the criminal culpability 2:21:28.800 --> 2:21:32.880 ages yea, you say, Laura, let us know about this murder. 2:21:32.959 --> 2:21:35.640 Mum and Dad were questioned and along with everyone else 2:21:35.680 --> 2:21:39.240 on the island, they were fingerprinted. No one was allowed 2:21:39.280 --> 2:21:42.440 to leave the island until ran to permission. I hope 2:21:42.440 --> 2:21:44.720 you find it interesting enough to look into it or 2:21:44.800 --> 2:21:48.400 read up on. They did eventually find a killer as. 2:21:48.280 --> 2:21:50.080 It wasn't Laura, it wasn't Laura. 2:21:50.360 --> 2:21:53.560 As a part of a palate cleanser, I've attached a 2:21:53.560 --> 2:21:56.800 photo of my pooch, Norman Norman Baits. 2:21:56.400 --> 2:22:00.640 Norman Baits, the crime Girlie Well wishes Laura and there's. 2:22:02.240 --> 2:22:05.320 Oh beautiful blazer black spaniels see Spaniel. 2:22:05.360 --> 2:22:08.600 I think, yeah, he's only beautiful. Oh camera right there. 2:22:08.600 --> 2:22:10.200 If you watching us on YouTube, I have a joke 2:22:10.280 --> 2:22:10.520 for you. 2:22:13.440 --> 2:22:18.119 They're not allowed. If they're not allowed to celebrate Santa 2:22:18.240 --> 2:22:21.280 on Christmas Island and they don't believe in the Easter 2:22:21.360 --> 2:22:24.920 Bunny on Easter Island, what on earth is the belief 2:22:24.959 --> 2:22:26.280 system on Norfolk Island? 2:22:28.959 --> 2:22:29.520 Nice one. 2:22:29.600 --> 2:22:31.200 I think it's meant to be worded better than that, 2:22:31.240 --> 2:22:32.600 but I was trying to remember it on the fly. 2:22:33.000 --> 2:22:36.080 This one comes from Ellen Ellen. 2:22:36.200 --> 2:22:39.480 Allen, Ellen, Ellen. We've had an Ellen message before, haven't we. 2:22:39.720 --> 2:22:40.080 I think so? 2:22:40.280 --> 2:22:42.160 Yeah? Am I doing what you did that time? I'm 2:22:42.160 --> 2:22:43.400 just assuming everyone has the same. 2:22:43.280 --> 2:22:45.720 Think everyone has the same name. Hi, Geordean and say 2:22:45.760 --> 2:22:48.080 I've been listener since the start and look forward to 2:22:48.120 --> 2:22:51.000 a new episode every Monday and Thursday. I just want 2:22:51.080 --> 2:22:53.720 to say thank you for continuing the podcast throughout the 2:22:53.760 --> 2:22:57.120 holiday period. Not everyone gets time off. Shout out to 2:22:57.160 --> 2:22:59.840 our frontline workers, and it's really nice you guys have 2:23:00.080 --> 2:23:03.400 rest on throughout this busy time of the year. I 2:23:03.400 --> 2:23:05.640 also think it's wonderful for the people who might be 2:23:05.720 --> 2:23:08.520 a bit lonely over Christmas and will take comfort in 2:23:08.640 --> 2:23:11.800 having some familiar voices with them driving during this time. 2:23:12.040 --> 2:23:13.640 Hopefully you're not falling asleep. 2:23:13.320 --> 2:23:18.040 Like I have a suggestion for a new South Wales 2:23:18.120 --> 2:23:22.400 case the murder of Matthew Dunbar aka the widow of 2:23:22.959 --> 2:23:27.800 Walker Natasha Darcy. She actually put the pronunciation in there 2:23:27.840 --> 2:23:30.000 for me, which was actually thank you. I love all 2:23:30.240 --> 2:23:33.080 listeners when they do that. Natasha Darcy. Some of the 2:23:33.160 --> 2:23:38.080 details Natasha Darcy's methods, previous offenses and details around her 2:23:38.120 --> 2:23:42.520 life will give Georgia, will have Georgia exclaiming fuck off. 2:23:42.640 --> 2:23:46.680 Oh my god, I can't believe this has been famous. Cry. 2:23:46.800 --> 2:23:51.800 They are bonkers things like googling ninety nine undetectable poisons 2:23:52.160 --> 2:23:54.119 and the science of murder. 2:23:55.160 --> 2:23:57.120 And you have to do this story then, Sammy s 2:23:57.400 --> 2:23:58.520 I can exclaim my. 2:23:58.560 --> 2:24:01.560 Fat fuck off. And the fact that she tried to 2:24:01.640 --> 2:24:04.760 kill her previous husband and nearly got away with it. 2:24:04.840 --> 2:24:06.240 Oh fascinating. 2:24:06.520 --> 2:24:10.840 I love the gods, Ellen, I love Yeah, I love that, 2:24:10.879 --> 2:24:11.760 Sam And can you do that one? 2:24:12.000 --> 2:24:15.520 Absolutely? And also do you have a little speak pot Oh? Yes, 2:24:15.760 --> 2:24:19.320 one comes from our good good friend VICKI. It's a 2:24:19.320 --> 2:24:23.800 short one. Love the pod. I just had to leave 2:24:23.800 --> 2:24:26.920 a message after listening to the Candy Man episode today. 2:24:27.800 --> 2:24:31.120 Gee, I think you mean complicit when you see implicit. 2:24:31.600 --> 2:24:37.800 Oh thank you. When did I say implicit, must say 2:24:37.840 --> 2:24:42.720 someone was implicit? I take it back. Yeah, you will 2:24:42.760 --> 2:24:47.640 admit my errors if I said implicit, loves it out 2:24:47.760 --> 2:24:48.440 if I said that. 2:24:48.640 --> 2:24:52.160 If I said no, I must I said that because. 2:24:51.840 --> 2:24:55.920 You know what, I know that all my listeners would 2:24:55.920 --> 2:24:57.320 not call me out on. 2:24:57.320 --> 2:25:02.640 Anything unless you clear, Ricky, call it again. 2:25:03.920 --> 2:25:05.320 I need to get in trouble all the time from 2:25:05.320 --> 2:25:07.160 my x husband because I always talk about my wedding. 2:25:08.360 --> 2:25:11.600 That's great, actually funny is my ex husband. 2:25:12.440 --> 2:25:16.440 Okay, say real quickly as well. I've got one more. 2:25:16.480 --> 2:25:17.680 I've got one more to do, my god. 2:25:17.720 --> 2:25:19.080 Yeah, it's the word longest episode. 2:25:19.160 --> 2:25:21.320 It's not it's fine. It's everyone's having a good time. Okay, 2:25:21.440 --> 2:25:24.320 all right, and please do write into this quick. I 2:25:24.320 --> 2:25:27.040 love hearing from you. This one comes from Maria, Hi, 2:25:27.240 --> 2:25:30.560 Sammy and Georgia just want to say thanks for your podcast. 2:25:30.879 --> 2:25:34.879 Nothing better than a one episode tell all, especially for 2:25:35.000 --> 2:25:37.840 us who can't be bothered sitting through long winded stories. 2:25:39.520 --> 2:25:44.840 Also also a thought for a Thursday treat. One case 2:25:44.879 --> 2:25:49.360 that sits with me always is Marion Barter. Great. I 2:25:49.360 --> 2:25:51.280 know it's unsolved at the moment, but it may be 2:25:51.360 --> 2:25:54.520 amazing to have Sally leyden on to tell the story 2:25:54.560 --> 2:25:58.560 of her mum. Also a Poudry peeve. People who will 2:25:58.640 --> 2:26:02.879 order a week laste with one or more sugars coffee, 2:26:02.920 --> 2:26:06.640 don't disrespect coffee like this. Lots of love Maria. 2:26:06.440 --> 2:26:10.320 Okay, my poordry peep. Today's coffee related great mark my word. 2:26:10.400 --> 2:26:12.520 You know this is true because I said, before we 2:26:12.560 --> 2:26:14.440 started recording the mailbag, I said, wait, let me look 2:26:14.480 --> 2:26:16.400 up my powdry people. I'm not having to look at 2:26:16.440 --> 2:26:18.320 my phone during it. So I already knew what it was. 2:26:18.560 --> 2:26:22.359 It is baby chinos. Okay, yep, some of our listeners 2:26:22.400 --> 2:26:25.800 might not know what that is. A baby chino is 2:26:26.600 --> 2:26:29.000 just the frothed milk. So when you get a coffee 2:26:29.000 --> 2:26:30.960 at a cafe and they frot the milk for a later, 2:26:31.120 --> 2:26:34.000 a flat wide or a cappuccino, the frost warm milk 2:26:34.240 --> 2:26:40.080 in an espresso glass for your baby. Yes for baa Sorry, 2:26:40.120 --> 2:26:41.360 I said baby, I meant bubba. 2:26:41.680 --> 2:26:43.480 Sorry, I said baby, I meant bubba. 2:26:44.440 --> 2:26:48.520 I just it's most fucking ridiculous cash's. 2:26:49.480 --> 2:26:49.760 Milk. 2:26:49.800 --> 2:26:53.080 Really, they're like three dollars or something, stupid, even if 2:26:53.080 --> 2:26:56.240 they were ten cents stupid. I think the baby does 2:26:56.320 --> 2:26:58.480 not need a coffee at the fucking coffee shop. 2:26:58.760 --> 2:27:01.600 I understand why the cafe charges that much to make it, 2:27:01.640 --> 2:27:03.959 because they're burning, but they're also burning milk, and it's 2:27:04.000 --> 2:27:05.080 like such a waste. 2:27:05.160 --> 2:27:08.080 Yeah, they don't want it, yeah exactly, but yeah, but yeah, 2:27:08.800 --> 2:27:09.320 aud your. 2:27:09.240 --> 2:27:12.240 Baby, but drink to have with you at the coffee 2:27:12.320 --> 2:27:13.640 at the show. I know I'm going to get so 2:27:13.720 --> 2:27:14.320 much hate for that. 2:27:14.440 --> 2:27:17.560 Well, I am mine is today dog owners that don't 2:27:17.560 --> 2:27:18.440 pick up their dog poop. 2:27:18.480 --> 2:27:21.760 Oh my god, we're both both both baby related pee. 2:27:23.400 --> 2:27:26.400 Related. But yeah, so oh god, because I'm you know, 2:27:26.440 --> 2:27:29.320 I'm a big got, a big boy and a big dog, 2:27:29.520 --> 2:27:31.680 and I've got a big dog, big mother, and I 2:27:31.720 --> 2:27:34.600 always picked up his dog poo. And when people don't, 2:27:34.680 --> 2:27:35.560 I'm always. 2:27:35.240 --> 2:27:37.480 Like, if someone came across Digs as dog poop just 2:27:37.520 --> 2:27:39.400 sitting there, oh my god, there'd be riots. 2:27:39.440 --> 2:27:41.280 And they know as well they can put me, they 2:27:41.280 --> 2:27:41.879 can find. 2:27:41.760 --> 2:27:44.039 One, because it's like the size of human. 2:27:44.280 --> 2:27:45.880 Yeah, yes, that's my poetry. 2:27:45.879 --> 2:27:50.120 I must sag. I love dogs. Whenever I take Digs 2:27:50.160 --> 2:27:52.320 for a walk and he poos, I go, oh yeah, 2:27:52.360 --> 2:27:56.800 probably I don't mind not having a dog. Yeah, I 2:27:56.840 --> 2:27:57.560 really hate that. 2:27:57.680 --> 2:28:03.920 You was just fine. Your cat just poos in the house. 2:28:06.920 --> 2:28:08.920 Love to clean up it is easy. 2:28:09.120 --> 2:28:10.960 She boos it a little like sound train and just 2:28:11.080 --> 2:28:14.320 scoop it straight into the toilet. I have to touch 2:28:14.360 --> 2:28:19.800 it with my hands. You touch, you pick up. 2:28:21.400 --> 2:28:25.200 When I'm not there, when you're there, I love it. 2:28:25.280 --> 2:28:27.880 I think we're fighting guys. I'm sorry this episode has 2:28:27.879 --> 2:28:29.680 been too long, and this is what I also. 2:28:29.480 --> 2:28:33.320 Ta the Cavena Christmas episode. There was a couple of 2:28:33.560 --> 2:28:35.959 glitches in the episode. I feel it's fixed now, but 2:28:36.040 --> 2:28:38.320 it was just an export ishoe, so apologies if you 2:28:38.320 --> 2:28:39.720 listen to that one. There's a little bit of a 2:28:39.760 --> 2:28:41.360 glitch in their to. 2:28:41.400 --> 2:28:46.080 The One and Only Katie Love for live reacting the 2:28:46.200 --> 2:28:50.040 editing issues to me as she listens to them, and 2:28:50.080 --> 2:28:52.600 I ignored her, pretending I couldn't write back because I 2:28:52.640 --> 2:28:56.240 was driving. I also then listened to it and also noticed. 2:28:57.120 --> 2:28:58.959 I would also like to say that I'm doing a 2:28:59.280 --> 2:29:03.199 filming of some stand up trying some new jokes. That'll 2:29:03.200 --> 2:29:06.039 be on the seventeenth of January. It's a local tap 2:29:06.080 --> 2:29:07.680 house at two pm if. 2:29:07.720 --> 2:29:11.760 Which is Kilder in Melbourne. Tickets are only bloody ten bucks, guys. 2:29:12.080 --> 2:29:12.959 That's like less than. 2:29:12.840 --> 2:29:14.680 The beer will cost you to have. 2:29:14.920 --> 2:29:17.480 Come on long when you have a laugh a laugh. 2:29:17.520 --> 2:29:19.920 I'll be there, She'll be there perhaps. 2:29:21.879 --> 2:29:24.800 But anyway, anyway, well, thank you to Oliver Clark as 2:29:24.800 --> 2:29:27.000 always for doing the theme music. Thank you to Tams 2:29:27.040 --> 2:29:30.560 and Hayes for doing the artwork. We've had a lovely 2:29:30.600 --> 2:29:33.279 time and we'll be seeing you this coming Thursday. 2:29:33.400 --> 2:29:36.160 We see in all familiar. 2:29:36.440 --> 2:29:38.400 Don't forget to write, don't forget to live. 2:29:41.360 --> 2:29:43.199 I'm tired. I'm a bit tired. 2:29:43.320 --> 2:29:45.360 Actually, goodbye, everybody. Have a great weak mate.