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Speaker 1: Now we've spoken a lot here in the three sixties

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Speaker 1: the overall effectiveness of Northern Territory Police. And I'm pleased

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Speaker 1: us more about the review is mister Vince Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you.

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Speaker 3: Vince, Good morning Katie, and thanks for having us here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Now, you've obviously got extensive experience in policing here in

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Speaker 3: Well, Katie, I won't dodge your question, but perhaps I

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Speaker 3: can just say, as we talked about before we come

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Speaker 3: one of the reasons I am here is that is

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Speaker 3: me to come back to the Northern Territory. In terms

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Speaker 3: do a resource review about rosters, leave management, exactly how

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Speaker 3: He's released two very experienced officers who are going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, I guess your historical experience in

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there is some irony in me being selected

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Speaker 3: But again, Katie, I've got to say there has even

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Speaker 2: Now, tell me, how are you going to do this?

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Speaker 1: What steps are you going to sort of take to

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Speaker 3: Well, well, first of all, we are in week once.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk to cops on the ground. That's

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Speaker 3: We want to talk to members of the community. There's

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Speaker 2: Details, that's all good. We can do that.

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Speaker 3: We will meet with people where possible, and it is

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Speaker 1: Since one of the other really big issues that we've

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm very conscious of that, and I'm also very

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Speaker 3: And look, I know Commissioner Murphy has certainly indicated to

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Speaker 1: Vince, there are a lot of police officers that listen

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Speaker 3: Well, look, Katie, I think the reality is is after

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Speaker 3: To be honest with you, because you know, I'm not

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Speaker 3: But all I would say is try and think broadly,

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Speaker 3: Well last one was, as you say, over ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, you know, one of the biggest things that

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Speaker 1: That's not just sort of a you know, an internal

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Speaker 3: Oh. Look, and again I'm not known. I'm aware that

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Speaker 3: I do think however, over the years we've made mistakes,

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Speaker 3: So but perhaps I'm naive enough to think that, you know,

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Speaker 3: I've been here for a week. I generally walk around,

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Speaker 3: I guess the concern is how do we get them

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Speaker 1: Well, Vince Kelly, we really appreciate your time this morning.

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for coming in and having a

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Speaker 1: you know, let you know what they think it is.

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Speaker 1: Police dot Review twenty twenty three at NT dot gov

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Speaker 2: Vince, thank you very very much for your time.

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Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Katie, it's been a pleasure and thanks

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Speaker 2: Thank you.