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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's some interesting news this morning. The

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister heading to Alice Springs joining us in the

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Speaker 1: studio this morning though the Minister for Police, Brent Potter.

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Speaker 1: Good morning morning, kay, Brent. What's the PM heading to Alice?

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. As I said to you, he's

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Speaker 2: not here for territory business. I think he's here on

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Speaker 2: here for where he's going, but I know it's not

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Speaker 2: in relation to Alice Springs itself and what's happened previously, so.

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Speaker 1: It's not he's not there for sort of a visit

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Speaker 1: following on from me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure he'll probably see some people when

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Speaker 2: he's in there, but it's got there's no announcements that

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Speaker 2: we're tracking or anything like that. He's here for other

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Speaker 2: federal government business, probably going and looking some federal facilities,

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Speaker 2: pros stop in and see some stakeholders. I suspect, but

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Speaker 2: I mean Alice has been fairly quiet, as you know,

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Speaker 2: with the additional police and post the curfew. He still

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Speaker 2: has its issues, but it's been better. So yeah, I'm unsure.

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Speaker 1: What his visit is because I mean it's certainly been

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Speaker 1: reported that he's there to kind of you know, they're

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Speaker 1: in the wake of the issues of crime that we

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Speaker 1: saw a couple of weeks ago. We know that it's

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Speaker 1: something you and I have spoken about for months and months.

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Speaker 1: That's what it's being reported that that's what he's there

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Speaker 1: to go and check on. But from what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing organized with the Northern Territory.

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Speaker 2: Government, not not with me or I was just talking

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Speaker 2: a chance, your chance he's down there and if he

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Speaker 2: needs to meet, you'll meet with him. But I think

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Speaker 2: he's there for other government business obviously if you've got

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Speaker 2: time between the flights because I think it's abst seven

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Speaker 2: o'clock flight now out of Alice, or if he's on

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Speaker 2: his own jet, he'll probably meet with some stakeholders. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know anything about his specifics of his itinery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and so don't know if he's meeting with

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Speaker 2: I think she's in Darwin at the moment. So being

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Speaker 2: a Monday, you know, I'll go from here straight in

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Speaker 2: mondays for me. But yeah, I'm not tracking anything related

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Speaker 2: to my portfolios and Alice Springs at the PM's interested

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what, that's probably a bit of

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Speaker 1: a shock to a lot of people listening this morning,

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Speaker 1: because I would have thought he'd actually be in contact

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Speaker 1: with the police, with the additional police being there, the

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Speaker 1: crime issues that we've seen.

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Speaker 2: Great, he's got good local men like you know, you've

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Speaker 2: got all the other federal labor members that got Marion

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Speaker 2: So I think he's well represented. I'm available if he

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Speaker 2: I think he's got bigger pressing issues at a federal level,

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Speaker 2: and we've got under control on ours at the moment.

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Speaker 1: Just a quick one, I suppose. Do you reckon that

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Speaker 1: he will, potentially, though, meet with some of those groups

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he will probably have some meetings on his schedule,

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Speaker 2: but as you can probably appreciate, when we talk about

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Speaker 2: people like that their itinery isn't made as public for

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Speaker 2: a variety of reasons, and we see protesters all the time,

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Speaker 2: he'll do that, but I think the primary visit is

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Speaker 1: All right, well, minister, let's move along, because the hospitality

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Speaker 1: industry is calling for some more to be done to

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Speaker 1: wake of Deckl and Lavity's death yet to be delivered

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Speaker 1: more than twelve months on now. One of those promises

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Speaker 1: was the additional de escalation techniques to manage anti social

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Speaker 1: Where are things that with the OC spray roll out?

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Speaker 2: Yes? So I made a commitment to Hospitality NT when

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Speaker 2: May people be able to apply for their applications. My

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Speaker 1: How come there is only eighteen people that have completed

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Speaker 1: that training to manage an anti social behavior from what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that there's been more than eighteen people complete training.

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Speaker 2: That's the training that we funded, I believe with hospital

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Speaker 2: I know they did one down at the Sailing Club,

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Speaker 2: So it's more than the eighteen that's been publicized. That's

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Speaker 2: the government funded program through Hospitality and T, but there

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Speaker 2: be really clear your listeners, Katie, it's voluntary. I can't force, you.

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Speaker 1: Can't force the county. But why has it sort of

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Speaker 1: taken so long? I mean we are talking about this

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Speaker 1: that the security does have that additional measure there in place.

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Speaker 1: Why has it taken so long?

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Speaker 2: Let's be really clear, the issuing of OC spray isn't

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Speaker 2: needs to be rolled out in a process. Now, I've

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Speaker 2: I did by passing legislation. As I said, next week

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Speaker 2: they'll be able to apply. But also for your listeners,

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Speaker 2: not every organization is said they're even interested in taking

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Speaker 2: have no interest in taking the OC spray up. So again,

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Speaker 2: it'll be voluntary for those people that want to put

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Speaker 2: that any changes we made weren't contradict you to other

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting though, isn't it, Because it's out of

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Speaker 2: I guess the point is, though they'll still have to

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Speaker 2: I have with the departments, will we treat it. In

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Speaker 2: my head, it's the same as a firearm. If you

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Speaker 2: a firearms license, it should be the same process here

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Speaker 2: We've got through those and as of next week they

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Speaker 1: Could you end up having a chat with the police

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Speaker 1: commissioner about allowing territorians to do that, to carry around

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Speaker 2: We haven't had a face to face yet. He's been

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Speaker 2: again for another commissioner's meeting, but we will in person. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In the issue of advice I've got here is that

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Speaker 2: it's probably not somewhere that the territory is looking to go.

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Speaker 2: From their point of view. I think WA is the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it is, and it's constant pressure from everyday territorians.

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Speaker 1: I mean even on Saturday hearing that that poor food

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they're our auxiliary. So their watchhouse in Palmerston

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Speaker 2: and they're in the comsen at Pete McCaulay. We know

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Speaker 2: why we commit an additional twenty five call takers in

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Speaker 2: people talk about attrition. It cannot be clear on this, Katie.

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Speaker 2: We are recruiting more than we're losing. And I know

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Speaker 2: not to be the case, and we'll say otherwise, but

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Speaker 2: the numbers are in the annual report. We're recruiting more

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Speaker 1: We are losing experience, of.

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Speaker 2: Course, no doubt, but that is slowing as well. And

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Speaker 2: I think when we spoke it was eleven percent. It's

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Speaker 2: down around seven. I want to see it around five.

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Speaker 2: The culture's change in the organization. New Commissioner dedicated funding

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Speaker 2: re establishing the Territory Safety Division, which previously was similar

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Speaker 2: to the MPG, which a lot of members police that

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Speaker 2: have been a long time will know of. I think

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Speaker 2: those go a long way to encouraging people back to

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Speaker 1: Minister, where are things that I know you and I

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Speaker 1: had spoken before about the boasting and posting legislation. Where

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Speaker 1: are things at.

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Speaker 2: So the AG and ourselves are working through that. At

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Speaker 2: the moment, we only have one sittings before we hit

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Speaker 2: through that. We did have a meeting with Meta, so

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Speaker 2: we've had a meeting with Meta. I was going to

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Speaker 2: around targeting some of those individuals that use social media

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Speaker 1: So how soon do you think we're going to see

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Speaker 2: I think pretty soon they're about to come back to

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Speaker 2: you know, you don't want them knowing what we can do.

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Speaker 2: But I think there's a real avenue there that we

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Speaker 1: That sounds like the boasting and posting legislation that's not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the I think we spoke last time.

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Speaker 2: I said we'll consider any good policy. But in the

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Speaker 2: I'm not familiar on how far they want to take this,

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Speaker 1: Well that sort of mean for just thee every day

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Speaker 1: And say from minister a listener questions just come through.

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Speaker 1: Is the training for the OC spray cost prohibitive? Someone

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Speaker 2: Our job as government is to set the reguortry framework,

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Speaker 1: to leave it there. Thank you. A wise fetan Thanks Gutty,