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Speaker 1: Three sixty with Katie Wolf on Mixed one oh four

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Speaker 1: point nine thanks to Joyce main Darwin. Yesterday we heard

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Speaker 1: from listeners regarding a series of scams and claims that

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Speaker 1: they've had to deal with when it comes to text messages,

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Speaker 1: some receiving phone calls and different ways. I think you'd

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Speaker 1: say that scammers are really trying to get their hands

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Speaker 1: on Territorians money. Now joining us in the studio to

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about some of the

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Speaker 1: scams that are really going around at the moment and

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Speaker 1: ways that we can protect ourselves. Northern Territory Police Cyber

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Speaker 1: Fraud Detective Sergeant Craig Winderbank. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Craig, Good morning Katie.

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Speaker 1: How are you very well? Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining us this morning. And you and I have spoken

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Speaker 1: on numerous occasions about some of the different scams that

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Speaker 1: Territorians have been victim too. Are there a few different

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Speaker 1: ones going around at the moment?

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Speaker 2: There are. It seems like there's quite a variety of

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Speaker 2: scams that seem to have popped up in the last

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Speaker 2: month or so that are targeting Territorians. So we're seeing scams,

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Speaker 2: some of them like pretend to be fake online marketplaces,

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Speaker 2: maybe eBay or Amazon or things like that, and they're

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Speaker 2: sending messages to people trying to get them to click

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Speaker 2: onto links. We've seen other ones where we've got the

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Speaker 2: fake tech scams where people are pretending to be Big

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Speaker 2: Pond or someone else like that and then getting access

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Speaker 2: to your computer. We've also seen a lot of scams

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Speaker 2: where people are pretending to be police, law enforcement and

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Speaker 2: that sort of thing and convincing people to pay money

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Speaker 2: under fake circumstances. For that, it's just quite a few.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I don't know whether my phone for

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Speaker 1: some reason, I get quite a few different calls that

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Speaker 1: I think to myself instantly, is this a scam? When

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Speaker 1: they call through. I've had somebody call through pretend that

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Speaker 1: they're the tax agency and quite aggressively sort of, you know,

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Speaker 1: say that I owe money, and I know I'm not alone.

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Speaker 1: There's been others that have called through and said similar.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and this type of offending. The offenders are really aggressive,

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Speaker 2: they're demanding, and they get quite a bit of money

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Speaker 2: from people when they're successful. So it's quite sad.

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Speaker 1: Greig, what are some of the things that territorians really

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Speaker 1: need to listen out for or to be aware of.

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Speaker 2: I suppose the big thing we say is to be

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Speaker 2: suspicious if you're getting a call like this, this just

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem quite right, or you're just not quite expecting

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Speaker 2: the call, or it's just unusual, hang up and call back,

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Speaker 2: and call back on a number that you know is correct.

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Speaker 1: We spoke yesterday to a lady called Barbara who had

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Speaker 1: said that she'd received a phone call from somebody saying

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Speaker 1: that they were Big Ponned and that they were going

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Speaker 1: to be helping with her NBN or something along those lines.

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Speaker 1: They'd then been able to log into her computer. She

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Speaker 1: said that it didn't quite feel right when she was

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Speaker 1: giving them some of those details, but you know, I guess,

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Speaker 1: against her better judgment, she did and they were able

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Speaker 1: to then hack into her bank account and steal some

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Speaker 1: of that some of her money. This is really not

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Speaker 1: an uncommon thing, isn't.

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Speaker 2: No. That's sort of scam we call the fake tech scam.

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Speaker 2: When they call up, they'll actually get you to do

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Speaker 2: something on your computer. They'll get you to go to

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Speaker 2: a log file and it will show you some errors

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Speaker 2: on the screen, which convinces people that it's a gene

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Speaker 2: and call, But every computer has errors on that screen.

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Speaker 2: It's just something they're relying on. And once they get

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Speaker 2: you convinced they are a tech scammer, they'll get you

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Speaker 2: install software and that gives them control of your computer

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Speaker 2: and visibility of everything on your computer.

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Speaker 1: So, wow, Craig, what do we do? How do we

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Speaker 1: make sure aside from trying our best to sort of,

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Speaker 1: you know, be quite skeptical and second question everything, are

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Speaker 1: there different things that we really just need to be

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Speaker 1: aware of, different kinds of phone numbers that are coming

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Speaker 1: through or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, that's quite difficult. We've even seen instances recently where

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Speaker 2: they've been imitating police station phone numbers and things like

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Speaker 2: that when they're making these sort of threatening calls. So

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Speaker 2: it's really hard to say there's a set criteria things

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Speaker 2: you need to look out for because the offenders are

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Speaker 2: constantly changing the way that they're offending. So we just

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Speaker 2: need to be careful. We need to support each other.

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Speaker 2: If you know something like this is happening, it's really

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Speaker 2: important you report it. We may not be able to help,

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Speaker 2: but if you don't report it, we absolutely can't help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, the more we know about the more.

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Speaker 1: Can do, and that's the thing as well. It's also

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Speaker 1: about sort of notifying other people, letting them know what's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, support each other and you know, if you know

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Speaker 2: a friend who's had a suspicious call or something like that,

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Speaker 2: have a chat to them about it and make sure

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Speaker 2: that they're okay and everything's going well.

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Speaker 1: Craig, would you say that, I mean around the territory,

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Speaker 1: have we got quite a few people who are victims

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Speaker 1: of these types of scams?

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Speaker 2: No, Look, I think compared to the rest of Australia

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Speaker 2: we're fairly similar. The scams are prolific. They target Australia

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Speaker 2: very heavily, and that's just because they're successful. They're there

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Speaker 2: to make money and that's what they're looking at and

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Speaker 2: Australia is just seen as I suppose an easy target.

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Speaker 1: Do you I mean, do you have many reports of

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Speaker 1: this type of thing each day?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're getting quite a number of reports. I suppose

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Speaker 2: the reports have increased significantly this year, over past years

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Speaker 2: and increasingly over the years before. So yeah, it's an

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Speaker 2: increasing problem and it's not one that's going away.

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Speaker 1: The show and I know you and I have spoken

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Speaker 1: before as well about some people going down the path

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Speaker 1: of intercepting emails changing invoices so they appear as though

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Speaker 1: they're coming from people who you may be anticipating an

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Speaker 1: invoice from.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's business email compromise. That's been common for

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Speaker 2: some time and that's continuing on and that's probably financially

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Speaker 2: the most significant cyber crime that we see in Australia,

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Speaker 2: and it's one that businesses really need to be careful with,

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Speaker 2: working quite a bit with the NT government delivering seminars

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Speaker 2: and things like that to target groups, trying to educate

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Speaker 2: people and give them the knowledge they need to avoid

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Speaker 2: these sort of scams.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's so important and it's such important

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Speaker 1: work that you guys do, Craig, Is there somewhere where

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Speaker 1: people can go for a bit more information online if

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Speaker 1: they are after a genuine website which can provide provide

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Speaker 1: them with some advice.

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Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely so. Cyberdut gov do AU is the place

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Speaker 2: to go both to report cyber crimes and to get

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Speaker 2: information about what are the current cyber crimes and how

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Speaker 2: to avoid them.

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Speaker 1: Well, Craig, always appreciate your time and I know from

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Speaker 1: my own personal experience that you guys work incredibly hard

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Speaker 1: to try to help Territorians when they have been impacted

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Speaker 1: by cybercrime. So I'd certainly say to anybody out there listening,

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Speaker 1: if there is something that's happened to you, you do

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Speaker 1: need to make sure that you go to that website

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Speaker 1: and report it and do your best to make others

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Speaker 1: aware of what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeh jeers, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Craig, Thanks so much for your time this morning. We

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Northern Territory Police Cyber Fraud Detective there

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Speaker 1: are Sergeant Craig Winderbank