Speaker 1: Flex and Frooms.
Speaker 2: Flex and Fromes. This is the Flex and Frooms catch
Speaker 2: up podcast.
Speaker 3: It is not often we share the mic with anybody
Speaker 3: else because we love the sounds of her animosis. But
Speaker 3: every now and then there is someone so exceptional, so incredible,
Speaker 3: and so legendary that we have to do them justice
Speaker 3: and we have to do our civic duty to you
Speaker 3: all to ensure that we share the sweet truth of them.
Speaker 3: She is a zimbabwe And born Australian rays Los Angeles
Speaker 3: based singer, songwriter, artist, creative director.
Speaker 1: Everything great with the world.
Speaker 3: You might recognize her or her music from when she
Speaker 3: was literally fifteen, winning awards.
Speaker 1: All over your TV, all of your radio.
Speaker 3: While you were doing nish, she was making generational wealth.
Speaker 3: She is an ARIA Award winner, flum collaborator, k Trinada collaborator.
Speaker 3: Her name is TK Mizer and she's in the studio today.
Speaker 1: Give it up for t K.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna need you to do that every day.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you're here. Everything feels right within the world.
Speaker 3: Before we turn this conversation into a catch up, we
Speaker 3: have to talk about the new album, Sweet Justice.
Speaker 1: What's it about.
Speaker 4: It's like a synopsis, snapshot Diary of my state of
Speaker 4: mind after I let go of so many friends and
Speaker 4: I took a break from writing music because I really
Speaker 4: needed to heal internally and just get back to ground
Speaker 4: zero in terms of like who I was. And then
Speaker 4: when I went from like pouring me and turned into like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, what's next, That's when I started making
Speaker 4: these songs and they're like empowering songs about what if
Speaker 4: it's fine if I'm single, what if it's fine if
Speaker 4: I'm angry, Like it's just like championing that like homecoming
Speaker 4: of coming back to yourself.
Speaker 3: Did you feel any kind of way about making something
Speaker 3: so personal the subject matter of your music.
Speaker 4: No, Because I feel feel like I'm at that age
Speaker 4: where people start to speak out about their experiences and
Speaker 4: it's real, and for me, it's not performative or anything.
Speaker 4: And that was like the next chapter of what I
Speaker 4: wanted to talk about.
Speaker 3: And you and I are quite spiritual people, and we've
Speaker 3: made a considered effort to let that be a thing
Speaker 3: that's not secretive, right, Like you know, it takes a
Speaker 3: certain amount of courage and a certain amount of self
Speaker 3: assuredness to let that hidden secret or shadow side that
Speaker 3: you have becomes something that everybody can participate in and
Speaker 3: look onto. What have been the positives of sharing that
Speaker 3: side of yourself and what has been the negatives of it.
Speaker 4: I feel like it makes me feel e validates me
Speaker 4: in terms of being a real person. I think there's
Speaker 4: always a misconception that I'm just like silly and always
Speaker 4: having fun and there's something like these going on in
Speaker 4: my head. So I think when people hear that, you know,
Speaker 4: the common stories about women in the music industry or
Speaker 4: just being a woman in general, and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: that happened to me too, Everyone's like whoa. And then
Speaker 4: it's like, but I recovered and came out of it
Speaker 4: and I'm happy, and they're like how. I'm like, because
Speaker 4: spirituality and I believe in something beyond me, and that's
Speaker 4: what I speak to when I'm looking for something, you know,
Speaker 4: when I want help.
Speaker 2: What was that process like, tak going from feeling like
Speaker 2: you've got this image where you are like quite easy
Speaker 2: and fun to stepping into I guess like your power
Speaker 2: as a woman.
Speaker 4: For me, it was listening to a lot of podcasts
Speaker 4: like I think, I mean, I used to listen to
Speaker 4: flex Once you had a different podcast and just a
Speaker 4: lot of like minded people and when you understand when
Speaker 4: you just learn like the language and the way people speak,
Speaker 4: and seeing that it's not like a taboo or something
Speaker 4: that should be secreted. I feel like I found the
Speaker 4: words and the way to speak. I think it's just
Speaker 4: from learning and analyzing people and reading about psychology that
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, now I can finally put words
Speaker 4: to these emotions and like these moments that I'm experiencing.
Speaker 3: Funny about the power of communication. I think they get
Speaker 3: stuck in Oh, I need to express myself. But if
Speaker 3: you don't have the right words, then you can't articulate yourself,
Speaker 3: And if you're dealing with people who can't comprehend what
Speaker 3: you're saying, then you get stuck in this loop where
Speaker 3: your evolution is stagnant, and then how you can show
Speaker 3: up for yourself and others also stagnate. Yeah, I wanted
Speaker 3: to quickly talk about the collaboration process, because you're speaking
Speaker 3: about things that are inherently about you, but also in
Speaker 3: that process you're collaborating with other artists, like you work
Speaker 3: with k Trinada.
Speaker 1: What's that like?
Speaker 4: It was so fun Like I feel like even like
Speaker 4: including everyone else that worked on the album. They're all
Speaker 4: like Silent Assassins, which is a song that I had
Speaker 4: with Flume, Like they all are really quiet. If you
Speaker 4: get to know them, they open up like a lot.
Speaker 4: And I feel like the most important thing when it
Speaker 4: came to befriending someone like ha Shanado was just showing
Speaker 4: him that I make mistakes, some awkward like the session
Speaker 4: might be the worst session, or we will start an idea,
Speaker 4: and I feel like he was d I kind of
Speaker 4: open to that, like he was like, oh, it was
Speaker 4: just kind of silly. Before I went into the studio
Speaker 4: with him, I kept seeing him at parties like so
Speaker 4: many times, so that was kind of my end. But
Speaker 4: the thing I wanted to like reinforce was I just
Speaker 4: like running into you at a party, like we don't
Speaker 4: have to work. And it was almost like a year
Speaker 4: and a half later that it finally happened, but it
Speaker 4: was running into him, and then we played a festival
Speaker 4: tour together and he's just like, oh, she must be
Speaker 4: like a real person if I keep seeing it.
Speaker 1: He thought you a background character.
Speaker 4: And one year later and then now I'm playing a
Speaker 4: festival in Australia and she's here again, like she's not
Speaker 4: some girl being like, hey listen to my demos.
Speaker 3: Yeah literally, though literally, we have this series called flex
Speaker 3: and for Rooms as Rules for Life, where we just
Speaker 3: say what we think the rules for our own existence
Speaker 3: should be. And then a byproduct is if you align
Speaker 3: with us and you want to live in a similar way,
Speaker 3: then follow along. And I was thinking, because you've been
Speaker 3: through this huge transformation, you probably learned at least five
Speaker 3: things about femininity and rebirth and you know, things breaking
Speaker 3: down and friendships and womanhood and.
Speaker 1: All of these things. So I thought, if you can.
Speaker 3: Come through with a couple I don't know, words of wisdom,
Speaker 3: nuggetsive truth, feedback or advice that would be sick.
Speaker 4: Yes, let's start, okay, So my first one is when
Speaker 4: I mean a few sense like a feeling of anxiety
Speaker 4: and something needs to change, Like if you feel stagnant,
Speaker 4: it's likely probably about to change, Like things are probably
Speaker 4: about the change, And that's definitely your spirit saying wake up, babes.
Speaker 4: If you don't wake up, it's going to crumble on
Speaker 4: you or you have to like get the backup plan
Speaker 4: to recover because regardless something what you knew before is when.
Speaker 1: The plays are real.
Speaker 3: The calm before the storm. Everyone said, HM doesn't ring
Speaker 3: a bell, and it doesn't ring about But.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I definitely remember before I had this
Speaker 4: like six month break off when I didn't write anything.
Speaker 4: I was just like, I just know that whatever I
Speaker 4: need next, there has to be some big shift. And
Speaker 4: the big shift was I probably lost like ten friends.
Speaker 1: But yo, all right, well that'll do it. That'll do it.
Speaker 4: And the other one is just follow your bliss. If
Speaker 4: it doesn't make you happy, don't do it because at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, you're going home by yourself.
Speaker 4: You have to deal with the feelings of why did
Speaker 4: I do that today? So do what is exciting to you.
Speaker 1: It's real.
Speaker 3: And like I said before, Tika has been in this
Speaker 3: industry and she's technically been a superstar for ten whole
Speaker 3: years since she was fifteen.
Speaker 1: I said it before. While you're at home doing.
Speaker 3: This, she was making bags, making money, winning awards.
Speaker 1: Give me your next three rules true wisdoms.
Speaker 4: When everything is going to trash, I would say the
Speaker 4: number one is check your health. Are you eating good,
Speaker 4: are you drinking water? Have you gone outside? And then
Speaker 4: see how you feel after. I feel like most of
Speaker 4: the times when I'm panicking is because I'm just not
Speaker 4: in my like right health. So just the basic necessities.
Speaker 1: People hate to hear it.
Speaker 3: They hate to hear it. This is what I mean
Speaker 3: basic necessity. When things are crumbling, there's.
Speaker 2: Given an era of like getting up and having ten
Speaker 2: minutes of sunlight.
Speaker 1: It worked. When people hate hearing this.
Speaker 4: My boyfriend would be like, oh my god, I'm spiraling,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, you haven't left your apartment in three days,
Speaker 4: Like I know that, go outside, go outside, And it
Speaker 4: has to say.
Speaker 3: But it's also why you need fireside in your life,
Speaker 3: because they're just gonna have to clip you a little
Speaker 3: bit when you feel like you're at your lowest.
Speaker 1: But it's all for your self betterment.
Speaker 4: Leo, that's the crazy thing.
Speaker 1: Babes, give me the rest of the chart, not now, reveal.
Speaker 3: The chart.
Speaker 4: The otherall. Trust your opinion firstly and foremost. Because also
Speaker 4: it's kind of similar to the one of the last
Speaker 4: ones I said, no one knows exactly where you're coming from,
Speaker 4: like completely, and only you know what's right for you,
Speaker 4: and you're going to be happier if you fail from
Speaker 4: your ideas as opposed to failing from what someone told
Speaker 4: you to do per.
Speaker 3: Facts, and this is the kind of wisdom you only
Speaker 3: get from living and doing. You can't podcast your way
Speaker 3: into this one.
Speaker 4: I literally just from myself. I mean, flex has heard
Speaker 4: me say this. I'm Captain Jack Sparrow, like I'm always
Speaker 4: stumbling and running and like stumbling, and then I'm on
Speaker 4: a boat and then I fowl in the water, and
Speaker 4: then I'm I'd imagine stumbling again, And.
Speaker 1: That's what it's about.
Speaker 3: Would you rather feel like you're on steady ground but
Speaker 3: feel like abum in every sense of the word, or
Speaker 3: make a few mistakes and have a few wins.
Speaker 4: I would rather make mistakes at least I tried.
Speaker 1: You know, one more.
Speaker 4: My last one, which is a lesson I learned from
Speaker 4: a tennis coach, was trying to return every ball, or
Speaker 4: in other words, try and show up as much as
Speaker 4: you can, because then you're turning the ball to someone
Speaker 4: else's court. It could be to a boss, to the universe,
Speaker 4: and then you can find out what happens next. If
Speaker 4: you don't return the ball or even try to run
Speaker 4: for it, how do you know what's going to happen?
Speaker 4: You didn't do anything. I know.
Speaker 2: It's like sending texts. In the emails, I'm like, please
Speaker 2: just take it for a little while, don't make me
Speaker 2: reply straight on, just reply.
Speaker 4: But you're so much better place than you were before.
Speaker 4: You're like one step forward. Whether it's like a very
Speaker 4: annoying email chain, which.
Speaker 1: This is true, one step ahead.
Speaker 2: Oh look, TK, thank you so much for coming to
Speaker 2: chat with us. Your Lady Out of Luck is out
Speaker 2: now and your new album Sweet Justice is out November third.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: TK.
Speaker 1: Stream TK.
Speaker 4: Let me guy.
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