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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: My name's Santasha Nabananga Bamblet. I'm a proud yord Order

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Speaker 2: Kerni Whalbury and a waddery woman. And before we get

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Speaker 2: started on She's on the Money podcast, I would like

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Speaker 2: to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the land of which

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Speaker 2: this podcast is recorded on a wondery country, acknowledging the elders,

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Speaker 2: the ancestors and the next generation coming through as this

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Speaker 2: podcast is about connecting, empowering, knowledge sharing and the storytelling

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Speaker 2: of you to make a difference for today and lasting

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Speaker 2: impact for tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into it. She's on the Money, She's on

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Speaker 1: the Money.

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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to She's on the Money, the podcast

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Speaker 3: for millennials who want financial freedom. My name is Beckside

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Speaker 3: and I'm joined today by Victoria Divine.

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Speaker 1: Hello, little miss beck. I was just saying that you

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Speaker 1: were looking really extracute today and I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: coming across in your voice as well. That's so nice.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, You've got a vibe. That you've got a vibe.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Thankes me so happy. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: So VH. I know that you are really good at

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Speaker 3: sitting budgets. I am not, so I feel like.

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Speaker 1: You thinking in the yang that's all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so true, that's why we're here. But are

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Speaker 3: you good at keeping them? Because today on the show,

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Speaker 3: we're talking about renovating on a budget.

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Speaker 1: This is a spicy topic. If you follow me on Instagram,

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Speaker 1: you know that I have historically renovated and blown the

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Speaker 1: budget completely even though I had a really big, very

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Speaker 1: sexy spreadsheet. But after the break, we are going to

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Speaker 1: be talking about ways to save on materials and also

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Speaker 1: the importance of project managing all of the stages. But budget,

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Speaker 1: I think is a really good place to start today, Beck,

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Speaker 1: because I want you to be setting this before you

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Speaker 1: do as anything when it comes to renovating, Beck, because

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Speaker 1: I feel like when we start renovating, it's always more

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Speaker 1: expensive than you think it's going to be. So we

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Speaker 1: need to make sure that not only do we have

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Speaker 1: funds that we are planning on allocating towards this renovation.

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Speaker 1: But we also need to make sure that there's a

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Speaker 1: good enough buffer there. Because the only thing that saved

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Speaker 1: us when we went over on our previous renovation was

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Speaker 1: the fact that we had kind of buffered in a

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Speaker 1: fair bit to make sure that everything was going to

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Speaker 1: be hunky dor and it was okay, and things happen,

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Speaker 1: they get thrown off. Course, mistakes are made, materials are

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Speaker 1: going to be more expensive than you thought, so buffet

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Speaker 1: is going to be incredibly important. I mean, I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize how much it costs to have our gas moved,

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Speaker 1: Like I just assumed it would be easy enough and

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Speaker 1: you'd get a plumber and get it all done. But

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Speaker 1: like we got stung with a few things, so we're

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Speaker 1: going to get into that. I think it's a bit

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Speaker 1: of a spicy episode, but like a really good one

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Speaker 1: because we are renovating now again and I feel like

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Speaker 1: we're doing it so much smarter this time.

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Speaker 3: Beck, Yeah, I'm really interested. Were there any like surprise

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Speaker 3: costs or like really costly mistakes that you made along

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Speaker 3: the way? This gas thing sounds like it's a vessel

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Speaker 1: And I feel like people listening to this, if you

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Speaker 1: are so daft. Of course, that costs a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: It's like financial advice, right, Like I know how much

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Speaker 1: it costs, and then when I tell you, Beck, You're

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, well, you know you've got the research,

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Speaker 1: the energy and the effort, like it's really expensive. And

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Speaker 1: then you go, oh, that makes sense, but like you

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Speaker 1: but I'm sharing them with you and the community, Beck,

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Speaker 3: I think it's so lovely for you.

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Speaker 1: But moving the gas was really expect Yeah what was that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I really thought it was way more. And as

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Speaker 1: but I think that that would shock you when you

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Speaker 1: they're like, I mean we can, but we're going to

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 1: And by did you actually end up doing it, I

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Speaker 1: mean I purchased the paint. My dad helped me paint it.

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Speaker 1: Because the trades, Like, there are some things that you

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Speaker 1: First, one hundred percent. It's like the time that I

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Speaker 1: All out because we had deadlines. But yes, you can

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Speaker 3: That's so that's a money win, right. Did you sis

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Speaker 3: and then you put your legs up to kick something?

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Speaker 1: quality of the Kaboodle kitchen, the quality is honestly on

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Speaker 1: part if not better than. And that's not me even

435
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Speaker 1: being dramatic because they're sponsoring this episode. This is just

436
00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,960
Speaker 1: me being like this was actually sick beck is better

437
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Speaker 1: than the kitchen that we had installed in our primary residence.

438
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Speaker 1: Like I was actually a little bit frustrated, Like yeah,

439
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,679
Speaker 1: I was like is this a joke? Like this is

440
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Speaker 1: so good, Like why didn't we just put this in

441
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Speaker 1: our other house?

442
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Speaker 3: Like we would have saved literally thousands of dollars.

443
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Speaker 1: Anyway, I will upload videos because even like the draw runners,

444
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Speaker 1: like you know those fancy like soft clothes, we don't

445
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Speaker 1: have that in our actual house because it was too expensive.

446
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Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, like that upgrade's not worth it, Like,

447
00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,359
Speaker 1: no worries, It's just an automatic feature in my kaboodle kitchen,

448
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 1: and it was so much cheaper, you know when you

449
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Speaker 1: just like, I'm not even trying to brag about them

450
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Speaker 1: because we're working with them. I'm just really upset.

451
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Speaker 3: Yeah, kicking yourself a little bit.

452
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Speaker 2: I know.

453
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Speaker 1: So obviously I feel like flat packs have come a

454
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Speaker 1: really long way because these are beautiful. They're also designed

455
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Speaker 1: to be user friendly, Like I mean, my relationship with

456
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Speaker 1: my dad's still intact and we put some together. So

457
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Speaker 1: that's a pretty good deal. That is huge, and they

458
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Speaker 1: obviously have a really big range of options for whole

459
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Speaker 1: heaps of different price points. So the question of v

460
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Speaker 1: did you go with the cheapest option, No, we didn't.

461
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Speaker 1: We went with like I would say, the very middle

462
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Speaker 1: definitely a budget kitchen in comparison to like, you know,

463
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Speaker 1: everything else we could have done. But we definitely did

464
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Speaker 1: a few upgrades, so like instead of just having the

465
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Speaker 1: playing cupboard doors, we went with the ones with the

466
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Speaker 1: cute like you know, outlines on the edges. Yeah, and

467
00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,280
Speaker 1: made things a little bit cuter, which obviously adds a

468
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Speaker 1: little bit of price to it, but it was definitely

469
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Speaker 1: worth it. Like, it's definitely something that I'm like, I'm

470
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Speaker 1: really glad with the decisions that we made. And I mean,

471
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Speaker 1: to my other very important point that I made earlier,

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Speaker 1: one thing that we did do that wasn't DIY is

473
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Speaker 1: paying professionals to do things that we can't do. So

474
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Speaker 1: obviously I paid for an electrician and I paid for

475
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Speaker 1: a plumber because that's not something that you should ever

476
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Speaker 1: play with. But it's also something that you don't want

477
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Speaker 1: to mess up because imagine being like, you know what

478
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Speaker 1: I can do my own plumbing, You're going to ruin

479
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Speaker 1: your whole kitchen. If it went wrong, that's own electricity.

480
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Speaker 1: You're probably going to kill yourself. Like that's not a

481
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Speaker 1: good idea. Endure it exactly. And I just feel like

482
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Speaker 1: that's where you should be spending money. But if you're

483
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Speaker 1: going to spend money on trades like that, do what

484
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Speaker 1: I did. Shop around. We got a few different quotes

485
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Speaker 1: before settling on the electricians, and you know, the trades

486
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Speaker 1: that we wanted to work with, because I really just

487
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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that we were working with people

488
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Speaker 1: who weren't taking advantage. Yes, and I don't think anyone

489
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Speaker 1: that we got quotes from was, but I feel like

490
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Speaker 1: I've heard so many stories recently of trades being absolutely

491
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Speaker 1: overwhelmed with work that they're overquoting and just being like, well,

492
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Speaker 1: I'm not doing it unless you pay me triple and

493
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Speaker 1: stuff like that, and then you think that that's the

494
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Speaker 1: norm and that's not it. So I feel like, yeah,

495
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Speaker 1: trades really good if you've got friends who are renovated,

496
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Speaker 1: like ask them for recommendations. If you don't have recommendations.

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Speaker 1: Local Facebook groups are really good for being like, hey,

498
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Speaker 1: can anyone recommend like a sparky in my area? And

499
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Speaker 1: they usually go, oh, yeah, my husband does it, and

500
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Speaker 1: then you can like look them up and see what

501
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Speaker 1: their reviews are like, which is really helpful.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so true. Even like, just tell everyone you've ever

503
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Speaker 3: run into in your entire life about what you're doing,

504
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Speaker 3: because there'll be someone who says, I've got a friend

505
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Speaker 3: who does this, I've got a friend who does.

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Speaker 1: That exactly and post on Instagram. On Instagram, don't get

507
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Speaker 1: me wrong, even if you have like three hundred followers,

508
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Speaker 1: someone's gonna see and be like, oh, actually I did this,

509
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Speaker 1: or I've got a mate who does this, Like yeah,

510
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Speaker 1: ask for recommendations, like I feel like that's the best

511
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Speaker 1: way to get anything totally.

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Speaker 3: You need someone who's a real person who actually has

513
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Speaker 3: experience with the same thing to tell you what their

514
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Speaker 3: experience is. Like, it's the best way to do it

515
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Speaker 3: just word of mouth.

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Speaker 1: So from my perspective, get some rough quotes before you

517
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Speaker 1: even purchase the kitchen or before you actually do anything,

518
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Speaker 1: because I think in our heads we go, all right,

519
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Speaker 1: we want to do this renovation, and I've done some googling,

520
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 1: and you know it's going to cost ABC and D.

521
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Speaker 1: Call the electrician, call the sparky, explain what you're doing,

522
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Speaker 1: and go, hey, can you give me a rough estimate?

523
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Speaker 1: Just budgeting it all together? Like really want to use

524
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Speaker 1: you because one of the things that we got told

525
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Speaker 1: and in my head this made sense. Right, So we've

526
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Speaker 1: demoed the kitchen back. Our floors need resanding and repolishing

527
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Speaker 1: because they were dank. Oh, upload a photo and I'll

528
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Speaker 1: show your photo after this of the floors. They're a

529
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Speaker 1: completely different color now because of how old they were.

530
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Speaker 1: Like the house that we're renovating is from the late

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Speaker 1: sixties and they're the same floorboards. Quite clearly they'd never

532
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Speaker 1: been resealed. The celant had worn off, and then they

533
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Speaker 1: were completely water damaged, dirt like disgusting. They've gone from

534
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Speaker 1: basically being a dark dark brown, which I thought, Okay,

535
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Speaker 1: we'll just reseal them. That brown's not too bad to

536
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Speaker 1: like a light beech wood. And I was shook. But

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Speaker 1: in my head, what happens is you remove the kitchen,

538
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Speaker 1: then you do the floors, and then you put the

539
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Speaker 1: brand your kitchen on top.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, no, what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: Well that's what I thought. And when I called the

542
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Speaker 1: electrician and was like, yeah, I need you to like

543
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: change the power here and here, and we've got the

544
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Speaker 1: sanders coming on this day. He's like, why are you

545
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Speaker 1: doing the floors? I said, well, we've got the kitchen

546
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Speaker 1: to then install on top. He's like, no, absolutely not.

547
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Speaker 1: Do not polish your brand new flaws and then have

548
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Speaker 1: a whole heap of like trade going in and out.

549
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Speaker 1: Your floors are going to get dinted, they're going to

550
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Speaker 1: get damaged. You know, do a light sand install your

551
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Speaker 1: kitchen and then get them to do the floors around

552
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Speaker 1: the kitchen. Oh that makes sense, doesn't it. But I

553
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Speaker 1: didn't know that. So having these conversations before you actually

554
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Speaker 1: do anything I think is really helpful.

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Speaker 3: In my mind, I was like, what is it floating?

556
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Speaker 2: No?

557
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Speaker 1: No, no, we just didn't put the kickboards in at

558
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Speaker 1: the bottom, which was really easy to do because we

559
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Speaker 1: can install them later. But they're going to come in.

560
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Speaker 1: They're going to do the floors because we're paying a

561
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Speaker 1: professional to do that. I do not trust myself to

562
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Speaker 1: do the floors. We can do the kitchen, we can't

563
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Speaker 1: do the floors, and then we will install the kickboards

564
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Speaker 1: after the floors have been properly sealed. But he was like,

565
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Speaker 1: you know, not going to drag flat pack boxes up

566
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Speaker 1: and down those stairs and then across your floorboards exactly.

567
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Speaker 1: He's like you're gonna get gougers, You're gonna get scratches.

568
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: He's like you're gonna get glue and stuff like from

569
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Speaker 1: all the tiling on the floor. Like, just don't do it.

570
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Speaker 1: And I was like, I wish I had you earlier. Yeah,

571
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Speaker 1: I mean I did this time. But when you're getting

572
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: your budget together, it's kind of like a budget slash

573
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Speaker 1: project plan. So you're not only making a plan for

574
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Speaker 1: like what you have to pay for sure, but like

575
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Speaker 1: you're making a plan for when that process goes in

576
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Speaker 1: because it's one thing to go. I can afford it. Okay,

577
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Speaker 1: but when are the trades available? Is the trade that

578
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,479
Speaker 1: you want not available for another month? What does that

579
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Speaker 1: look like? Because for us, we got a couple of quotes,

580
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Speaker 1: and the quotes were not only like you know, here

581
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: are the different price points, but they were also like, oh,

582
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: we booked out for three months so we could do

583
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Speaker 1: it here. And I was like, oh, you are cheaper,

584
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: but it's not worth waiting because I need to get

585
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Speaker 1: this done sooner rather than later. Yes, that makes sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

588
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Speaker 3: I think I need to go to Google kickboards and

589
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Speaker 3: maybe like practice my sissy kick Yeah, okay, kickboards are

590
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: not what you're expecting. Okay, given you have just said, Sizzy,

591
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Speaker 3: keep explain a kickboard.

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Speaker 1: To you in the break, and then when we get back,

593
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Speaker 1: we're going to have a deeper chat about budgets and

594
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Speaker 1: materials in all of that fun renovating.

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Speaker 3: Stuff fun see soon. Welcome back everyone, and we're talking

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Speaker 3: about renovation on a budget with someone who has just

597
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Speaker 3: been through this. Victoria Devine, Hello, that's me. I want

598
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Speaker 3: to talk materials now. How can we save here?

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Speaker 1: All right? So I feel like I've done a really

600
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Speaker 1: good job this time of like keeping everything within budget. Obviously,

601
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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you to always shop around for

602
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: discounts and like codes or price matching. Often brands won't

603
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Speaker 1: advertise that they do price matching, so I will like

604
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Speaker 1: google the brand and then price matching and see what

605
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: comes up on their website. Because often you'll find their

606
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: terms and conditions and they'll say we do price match

607
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Speaker 1: And then some brands even do like price beat, like

608
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: you know Bunnings. They obviously say we'll beat it by

609
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: five percent. That's a money win. Yeah, you hold them

610
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: to that. I see them like, I think it's really

611
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: important to have a little bit of conviction around keeping

612
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: to your budget and it can really save you. The

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00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: one thing I would do is look around it recycled

614
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: or leftover materials. So I know that that sounds a

615
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: bit lame, but we have in our kitchen that we're

616
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: renovating a very small patch for where we want tiles right,

617
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, what am I

618
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Speaker 1: going to do. I got some quotes for some tiles

619
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Speaker 1: and it was really expensive. I didn't realize how expensive

620
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Speaker 1: they were, and I was like, I don't know this

621
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Speaker 1: is meant to be a budget renovation, Like I don't

622
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: want to go buy bougie tiles. But then obviously, Beck,

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Speaker 1: if you met me, like you show me a cheap

624
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: option and a bougie option, and somehow I will always go,

625
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: I want the boogie option, even if you haven't told

626
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: me the price points, Like I'll just immediately look at

627
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Speaker 1: it and be like, well, that's the one I like,

628
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's the first expensive have it I have? Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I found some tiles on Facebook Marketplace that were left

630
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: over from a renovation. I had to do some calculations

631
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Speaker 1: to work out because they had said how many tiles

632
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: they had, and I found the tiles that I wanted

633
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: from tile Cloud on Facebook Marketplace.

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00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: Oh that's so paff and it was enough and enough.

635
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it covers the whole space. And I mean, I'm

636
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: going to have to go buy the grout and stuff,

637
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 1: but that's something that I'm going to do myself because

638
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: it's such a small spot in our kitchen that I

639
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: think will work really well. So have a look on

640
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: Facebook Marketplace because so often people buy more of what

641
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: they needed because they're like, I don't know, obviously, rolling

642
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: in money, and they're like, oh, I'll just get extra

643
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: tiles that I don't need, but they pop them on

644
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: Facebook Marketplace. It's like how I put our kitchen on

645
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: Facebook Marketplace and got rid of it. Yes, and I

646
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: mean obviously massive shout out to like Facebook Marketplace and

647
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: gum Tree in general, because you can save a whole

648
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Speaker 1: heap of money. The other thing I did beck was

649
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 1: I needed new appliances, so the appliances that were in

650
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: our kitchen were not savable still using the same fridge

651
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: that we had, but I needed to purchase a new

652
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: gas cook top because ours was cooked in the punt

653
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: and an oven and a gas cook top. I think

654
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: we ended up spending about twelve hundred dollars on it,

655
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: which was a lot more than I thought that they were,

656
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: but like that's how renovation goes. You end up realizing

657
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: that things are so much more expensive than you'd anticipated.

658
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: I was like wanting this really nice looking oven to

659
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: go under it, and it was like three thousand dollars back. Like,

660
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, you can get cheaper ovens, but

661
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: I found one online from a company that does refurbished ovens,

662
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: and it cost me six hundred and fifty bucks.

663
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so good.

664
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we just picked it up who was in Frankston,

665
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: which was close. I mean Frankston. Is that a red

666
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: flag buying secondhand things there? I don't know. I did it.

667
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: It's coming up to me. The price was worth it.

668
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: I had sent it to my sparky first and said

669
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: do you have any concerns and he'd actually said NAHVI,

670
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: like they're actually really good. They just refurbished things that

671
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: have been pulled out of display homes. And I was like, okay,

672
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: so you're telling me that this hasn't been used at all,

673
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: like great. So it ended up costing me six hundred

674
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars for our oven instead of like close

675
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: to three thousand. So like shop around and like I

676
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: think that people often assume I'm buying a secondhand oven.

677
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: Well you might think that that means it's like one

678
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: that someone's used a million times and it's not that good,

679
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: so you don't even explore the option. This oven does

680
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: not even look like it's been used right, like brand

681
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: new basically, And I mean disclaimer, I don't get the

682
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: warranty that would have gone with it, given I'm saving

683
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: so much money, and it costs me six hundred and

684
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: fifty dollars. I was really happy to, you know, take

685
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: that risk absolutely, and it's being installed professionally, so we're

686
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: getting all of these things. He's installing it, like, I'm

687
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: not doing that on my own, but I did source

688
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: something that was much cheaper. The other thing I wanted

689
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: to say was look at revamping the materials that you

690
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: already have in your home. So like flooring is a

691
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: really good example. Do you hate the carpet, rip it up?

692
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: See what's underneath there? Like, don't get me wrong, don't

693
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: rip it up if you can't afford to replace the carpet,

694
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: But are there floorboards under there that could be polished up?

695
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: If you looked at my floors beck before we had

696
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: resanded them, you would have been like, well, via you

697
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: getting new floorboards put down, because those are awful. And

698
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: we genuinely had to consider that as an option because

699
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure how they would come up. But we

700
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 1: got a good flooring guy in. Again, we got a

701
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: couple of quotes before settling on one flooring guy, and

702
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: he came in and said, yeah, you're right, there is

703
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: a fair bit of damage here. But I can just

704
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: replace those boards and then we can sand everything and

705
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: it'll look great.

706
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: I was like, a great idea, but I.

707
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: Think it's really important to not just jump to get

708
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,959
Speaker 1: Oh that's absolutely cooked. We're going to have to replace it.

709
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: And now once we've sanded it, we're actually able to

710
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: get a color that I like even more than what

711
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: I thought we were working within. So that's a money win,

712
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: I think. Because to replace the floorboards in our house,

713
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: I did get a quote for that too because I

714
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,479
Speaker 1: wanted to be able to share it. It was going

715
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: to be about eleven and a half thousand dollars. Oh

716
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: my godness, to be so much. Yeah, So to get

717
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: the upstairs of our house re floorboarded, the quote was

718
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: eleven grand. That was including installation, just to be really clear,

719
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: but to have them standed back and re polished, it's

720
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: going to cost us two thousand dollars and that includes

721
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: the floorboards that he's fixing, and he's charging me two

722
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: hundred dollars per floorboard, which is obviously a lot for

723
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: a piece of wood, but it's like him sourcing wood

724
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: that matches and then like installing it. So I think

725
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: that that's a pretty sure deal, but like two grand

726
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: versus eleven and a half, like, be for real. That's

727
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: a really good saving. Be for real. I think it's

728
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: also important as well, because my husband and I were

729
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: so certain that we were going to have to put

730
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: different floorboards over the top, but we said, you know what,

731
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: we should just get the flooring guy that does the

732
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: standing and stuff out to look at them first and

733
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: do a bit of a test before we pulled the

734
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: trigger on that. And we're really glad that we did.

735
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 3: That's so good. Did you have any lino in there?

736
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: There was lino. It had been pulled out before we

737
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: moved in, but the adhesive from the liner was still

738
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: on our floors. So like when I say it was bad, beck,

739
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: like that's how bad it was, Like the adhesive lines

740
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: and all the glue marks were still there, like no

741
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: one had cleaned it up. They'd just like ripped out

742
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: the lino and been like, oh it's good now. It

743
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: was not good, bad, and it's not good. And I

744
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: think the other thing that really annoyed me about it

745
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 1: is the flaws just consistently felt dirty. Yeah, because like

746
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: you're just looking at glue and adhesive and like all

747
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: of the little bits of stuff that had stuck to

748
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: the adhesive over the years made it look black. It

749
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: was horrendous.

750
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, lino is no good for anyone.

751
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: No rip out.

752
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: You lie.

753
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: I know there's probably floorboards under there, because that's what

754
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: the Boomers did. They put the lino down.

755
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: Why they do that?

756
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: I don't know why they did that. You ask them,

757
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: not me. But anyway, I think that having a think

758
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: about every option and actually exploring it a bit, even

759
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: if you don't think it's the one for you, could

760
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: end up saving you a whole heap of money. So

761
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: you're not spending money to get opinions. You're spending money

762
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: when you really have an outcome that makes sense for you.

763
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: Do you know how upset I would have been if

764
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: we had installed the floorboards, because, like Beck, you and

765
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: I both know, if I had gone and gotten a

766
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: quote from a dude who installs floorboards, and he came

767
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: to my house and he's like, yeah, cool, like I'll

768
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: give you this quote, which he did. He didn't mention

769
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: that we could re polish them all. Then they'd come

770
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: up nicely. Sure, Like he's not going to mention that

771
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: and be like, oh, Beck, did you know you could

772
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: save heaps of money if you'd actually just not employed

773
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: me or paid me. Yeah, but don't pay me, go

774
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: play this other guy. So do the research yourself. And

775
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: I know that that sounds overwhelming because it can feel

776
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: like a lot, but it's saving us thousands of dollars.

777
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: Okay, that's really cheeky, but also is cheeky.

778
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: But also like if you do a job and then

779
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: you've asked me for a quote, I'm not going to

780
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: try and talk you out of it.

781
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 3: Via the Sunder's episode, you talked about the importance of

782
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: project managing. Let's finish with that.

783
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love project management. It's one of my I

784
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: guess strong points you could say, because I like to

785
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: do a budget, but I also like to have like

786
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: the stages at which that budget is going to be

787
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: and on what and where and how. And I think

788
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: it's important that while you can do things bit by bit,

789
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: and I definitely would recommend that if you're renovating, like

790
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: you know, do it room by room or level by level,

791
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: starting with the floors and doing the whole house. For example,

792
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: had I just decided to do the kitchen right, it

793
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: would have cost me more money to do the kitchen

794
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: now and then you know, wait and then do the

795
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: laundroom and then do the floors in the loundroom. So

796
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: we're doing the flaws for the entire house at the

797
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: same time, right after the kitchen has been installed. But

798
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: we're not doing the bathrooms yet. But we're going to

799
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: get to the bathrooms at some stage, and we're going

800
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: to get to the laundroom and you know, change up

801
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: stuff in there, but we're definitely not doing it at

802
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: the same time as the kitchen. But because the flaws

803
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: are such a big task, we're just like one and done.

804
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to pay someone to come out and

805
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: just do the kitchen and then come out again and

806
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: have more service fees and more charges. Just like quote

807
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: me for the whole thing and get it done. So

808
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: I think that project management is really important because it's

809
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: going to tell you like when you can do things

810
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: and what your budget for things looks like. So we

811
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: are budgeting at the moment to do our bathrooms, but

812
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: we're not doing our bathrooms yet because I'm kind of like,

813
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to do the kitchens and the bathrooms

814
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: all at once. That's going to be really expensive. So

815
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: we're doing the kitchen now, and as you guys know,

816
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: I've posted a lot about it on social media. We've

817
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: been doing planning for that for the last what eight

818
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: months or so, right, Like I've been in and out

819
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 1: of Bunnings a million times because I couldn't decide which

820
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: white cabinets I wanted, and like, they have the samples there,

821
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: so I kept going in. Like back when Gabby worked

822
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: for us, I was like dragging her in and being like,

823
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: but is this white tu cream? And She's like, no,

824
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: that's really nice, and I'd be like okay, and then

825
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: I'd settle on it, and then I'd go home and

826
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: be like, I just need to see it in person

827
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: one more time with the sample of the bench tops. Right,

828
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: So it was really nice to have a long lead

829
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: up period so that now the kitchen's in and it

830
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: is in, I'm really excited about it, and I go, yeah, no,

831
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: I know these were the right color selections for me.

832
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: But I think that being able to do things and

833
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: having a plan has helped a lot. And like, even

834
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: if you're not a spreadsheet wizard, like, there are so

835
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: many templates out there that you could use that really

836
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: help you. And I mean, we'll drop something that I

837
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: have used so that you guys can use it as well.

838
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not the best thing in the entire world,

839
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: because I'm not a super professional, but I think it

840
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: does you know the job and really helps you think

841
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: about things and get on the right page. Because we

842
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 1: have made sure that we've like dotted all our eyes

843
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: and crossed our our t's because beck I did it

844
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: the wrong way the first time and the second time.

845
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: We are not doing that again. It's not my first rodeo,

846
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: you know, like we're just not going to fall off

847
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: the ball again.

848
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: We hope, not exactly. I don't know about you, but

849
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: I feel like it's a pretty good place to leave it.

850
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: I think it's a good place to leave it. But

851
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: also I think it's important if you're going to renovate

852
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: budget budget budget, and the best way to budget is

853
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: to be really clear about what it's going to cost.

854
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: We're not guestimating, Like if it means that you pop

855
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: on down to Reese Plumbing and spend an hour or

856
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: two looking at taps and going, oh, I thought that

857
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: the tap would cost me, you know, fifty bucks, and

858
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: going oh, actually, I've realized I like a more expensive option,

859
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: or I like something else, Like you're getting a good

860
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: idea for what your taste is as well as what

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Speaker 1: budget is because it's so easy to google, like what's

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Speaker 1: the average cost for renovating a kitchen and that will

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Speaker 1: like go down to Bunnings and have a look at

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Speaker 1: the kitchens there, Like they have a full kerboodle installation

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Speaker 1: in most Bunnings that you can go down to and

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Speaker 1: see what the quality is, Like you might go far out,

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Speaker 1: this is actually great, I do want to put this

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Speaker 1: in my house. But you can have a look at

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Speaker 1: what the different cabnet options are going to be, and

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Speaker 1: you know, you might be renovating on a budget, but

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Speaker 1: also on a really short timeframe, like maybe you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I've got to lease this property out,

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Speaker 1: but the kitchen's got to change. Like have a chat

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Speaker 1: to them there, because they have off the shelf options,

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Speaker 1: so like what can you use or what's going to

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Speaker 1: take a little bit longer to order in the cabinet

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Speaker 1: draws I pitched, we had to order they weren't off

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Speaker 1: the shelf but the cabinet frames were off the shelf,

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Speaker 1: So I think it's really important to just understand not

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Speaker 1: only your budget, but what that timeframe looks like. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's leave it there, because I feel like I've spoken

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Speaker 1: about flaws a lot, and i'd like to talk about

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Speaker 1: coffee with you. Is that okay? I'd love that. We

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Speaker 1: don't have any more time today, but I have loved

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Speaker 1: chatting to you Beck. We'll see you next week.

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