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Speaker 3: Oh Okati, thanks for having me on you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us this morning. Charlie.

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Speaker 2: I know that this is something.

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Speaker 4: And break your heart is exactly what it does. And

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Speaker 2: Well, how do you reckon?

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Speaker 4: There's something that I suspect there's something there. If we

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Speaker 4: can look at it more closely, I think we're going

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, Charlie King, I always really appreciate you coming into

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Speaker 1: the studio on having a chat with us. Is there

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Speaker 1: anything else you reckon we need to be aware of.

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Speaker 1: I know that you do a lot of work with

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Speaker 1: you No More campaign. You're always busy with that, but

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Speaker 1: no doubt you're still working hard behind the scenes on

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Speaker 1: plenty of other things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, we have a thing called a domestic violence action plan,

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Speaker 4: and I can tell you here on your probe that

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Speaker 4: impects that huge gas and you know, mining organization have

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Speaker 4: written their own domestic violence action plan and are working

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Speaker 4: with us to actually instill that within there. I think

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Speaker 4: they have nine hundred workers or something, you know. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they're going to do it all there. They're going to

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Speaker 4: put signs up around you know, where they are, you know,

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Speaker 4: all those sorts of things. They're keen to do it,

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Speaker 4: you know. And the dentists across the road here, just

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Speaker 4: across they're going to put up a sign in their

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Speaker 4: waiting room that says this stental practice stands against family violence.

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Speaker 4: Say no more to fan signage. Put it up every

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Speaker 4: weak Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I agree. We have to We've got to say no more.

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Speaker 4: Too, and we and we have a we have a

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Speaker 4: proposal before council. We're waiting for the new election to

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Speaker 4: come and saying we want to put up a sign

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Speaker 4: that when you enter the top end, there's a sign

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Speaker 4: on the side of the road that says you are

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Speaker 4: entering Darwin and Palmerston, we say no to family violence,

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Speaker 4: welcome or something, you know, something that reminds people when

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Speaker 4: they come to town. So lots of things happening in

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Speaker 4: the scenes, and you know, if you try everything, it's

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Speaker 4: like fishing. You throw the line in hope you catch something.

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Speaker 1: Well. It is really important work in my opinion. Charlie King,

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Speaker 1: I always appreciate your time. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: coming in this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Katie, thank you