Speaker 1: This podcast is for general information only and should not
Speaker 1: be taken as psychological advice. Listeners should consult with their
Speaker 1: healthcare professionals for specific medical advice.
Speaker 2: Well. Hello, I'm Amanda Keller and I'm Anita McGregor, and
Speaker 2: welcome to Double a Chattery. Anita, how are you feeling?
Speaker 2: I know you've had a call.
Speaker 1: Oh my lord, have I got a cold. I'm at
Speaker 1: that stage now where my head feels as though it's
Speaker 1: just emptying out my nose, which is i'm plastomers.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for sharing. Yeah, you say you're feeling better,
Speaker 2: But if we need to take a break so mucus
Speaker 2: can pour down the back of your throat or out
Speaker 2: through your nose, please let us know. I will let
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: This.
Speaker 2: The other day my brother still uses a hanky hanky.
Speaker 2: It's something. Even though apparently it's more hygienic or better
Speaker 2: for everyone that tissues, the idea of it makes me
Speaker 2: want to gag.
Speaker 1: Does Carrie have to wash them? Yes, of course, or
Speaker 1: Cameron doesn't wash them?
Speaker 2: Well, they have their own, you know, as many households do.
Speaker 2: My chores and he is yours and that's her choice.
Speaker 2: I think it might be you. I know anyway, enough
Speaker 2: of that pleasant, nice to see.
Speaker 1: Nice to see you too. Films are so like it's
Speaker 1: been a thousand years.
Speaker 2: Look, it has been a thousand years of snot. I
Speaker 2: love that film, Amanda. I want you to tell me
Speaker 2: about this glorious jacket, yes, that you are wearing. It
Speaker 2: is spectacularly beautiful. Well, thank you. And I bought it
Speaker 2: on consignment from someone who's raising money for a fabulous
Speaker 2: charity called Police Day Foundation. So it's a it's an
Speaker 2: original dult jakeer Barna. But I would never buy an
Speaker 2: original adult jakeer Barna. It's I think it looks like
Speaker 2: it's from the seventies or something. It doesn't that.
Speaker 1: Spectacause it's it's like kind of down to your knees
Speaker 1: and it just oh.
Speaker 2: And it's almost like hippy ish in the different colors
Speaker 2: and materials. Well, thank you, thank you. It's it's weird
Speaker 2: when someone else this morning at work said that they
Speaker 2: like this jacket and I sort of deflected once again
Speaker 2: and said, oh, this this this old thing. Literally I
Speaker 2: bought it on consignment. It's an old thing, and blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. And she said, you always deflect when someone
Speaker 2: gives a compliment to your clothes.
Speaker 1: Isn't that I do the same thing? I like? I
Speaker 1: for me, it's like, oh you know, oh, I've had
Speaker 1: this forever. It's stuck in the back of my closet,
Speaker 1: and it's it's so weird, Like why do we do this?
Speaker 1: Amound it?
Speaker 2: Well. Even the young girl woman at work who said
Speaker 2: that about my jacket, she said, she does the same thing.
Speaker 2: She says, so I got this on sale. Blah blah blah. Why.
Speaker 2: I don't know why we do it? I think very
Speaker 2: hard to accept a compliment, b to just say thank
Speaker 2: you and let it go. We have to undercut it somehow,
Speaker 2: don't we.
Speaker 1: Do you think that our choice in clothes is somehow
Speaker 1: we think is a reflection of our character, Like when
Speaker 1: you think about it in the morning and you think
Speaker 1: about what you're going to dress in, is it kind
Speaker 1: of a reflective of your mood? Or is it more
Speaker 1: reflective of you know, who is Amanda Keller?
Speaker 2: Probably all of those things. Harley used to get up
Speaker 2: in the morning as a joke, saying what will I
Speaker 2: go as today? You'd say it as a joke, but
Speaker 2: I think there's absolute truth in that, and maybe that's
Speaker 2: why we deflect it because we see it as an
Speaker 2: extension of our personalities. So if someone said to you, gee,
Speaker 2: you're so smart, you absolutely deflect that. Gee you're funny,
Speaker 2: you deflect it. Yeah, so this is an extension of that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I've always admired about you, Amouanda,
Speaker 1: is you have this great sense of style. Like really, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2: Going to have to deflect that because that's embarrassing to hear.
Speaker 1: Please don't because I don't know, Like, you know, every
Speaker 1: time I see you, you have amazing stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes you are dressed for a show
Speaker 1: or that kind of thing, and often you don't have
Speaker 1: the choice in that. But when it has been like
Speaker 1: when I see you, when it's your choice about what
Speaker 1: you wear, and the choices that you've worn for some
Speaker 1: of the award shows and all that kind of they're beautiful.
Speaker 2: See I'm going to say thank you. It's funny because
Speaker 2: I'm doing breakfast radio, people always think, oh, aren't you
Speaker 2: lucky you can wear your pajamas to work, But I
Speaker 2: mean lots of people have jobs where no one season.
Speaker 2: These days, we're constantly being filmed, so people do see you.
Speaker 2: But lots of people have jobs where no one sees
Speaker 2: I mean, you'd never say, like being a bank teller
Speaker 2: or someone behind the scenes at the bank. Well, unlike
Speaker 2: the tellers, you can wear your pajamas to work.
Speaker 1: You just wear nothing from the waist down. If you're
Speaker 1: a bank teller.
Speaker 2: Rated, I know what that's That's exactly what happens. But
Speaker 2: it's I in the morning get dressed as if I'm
Speaker 2: going for a full day at work, which i am.
Speaker 2: I see hundreds of other people and I can't wake
Speaker 2: up on this. I think I've put myself together. But
Speaker 2: you also, Anita, I think you have a fabulous sense
Speaker 2: of style. I thank you, and other people must have
Speaker 2: commented about.
Speaker 1: That too, well. It's It's interesting when I was ending
Speaker 1: a position in Canada that the entire clerical staff was
Speaker 1: saying that they really looked forward to seeing what I
Speaker 1: was going to wear every day, and I and I
Speaker 1: hadn't really I didn't know that that was part of
Speaker 1: their routine. But it was a lovely compliment to kind
Speaker 1: of say, because they were saying, you dress in a
Speaker 1: really unique way and eat it like you.
Speaker 2: Be clear, it was a compliment. Now that I'm got
Speaker 2: clown shoes on today.
Speaker 1: It could have been that, but no, But I think
Speaker 1: that what they were trying to say is that I
Speaker 1: was dressing in a way that reflected my personality, which
Speaker 1: was really lovely.
Speaker 2: You and I would not survive on a capsule wardrobe,
Speaker 2: oh no. And this isn't about having to have a
Speaker 2: lot of things. But a capsule wardrobe is about not
Speaker 2: having a lot of things. But it's about having just
Speaker 2: a few basics. You and I, I think, have a
Speaker 2: flamboyance to what we add to things in the capsule wardrobe,
Speaker 2: which has been very popular of late in this new
Speaker 2: trying not to fill landfill and being more sustainable has
Speaker 2: taken off again. But it is having one pair of pants,
Speaker 2: one jump of one jacket, and occasionally mixing other things
Speaker 2: in with it, but basically sticking to your basics. I
Speaker 2: don't think i'd be capable of that.
Speaker 1: I don't well, I guess technically i'd be capable of it,
Speaker 1: but I like there would be days that I kind
Speaker 1: of go, this is. I just don't feel like this.
Speaker 1: You know, this is?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of like Steve Jobs again, I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's I feel actually quite blast that. You know,
Speaker 1: men can go in the same suit for a year
Speaker 1: and nobody would probably notice. There's probably been times where
Speaker 1: men have done that and nobody's noticed.
Speaker 2: Carl Stephanovic, hosting The Today Show, did exactly that. He
Speaker 2: wore the same suit every day for a year to
Speaker 2: see if anyone would make a comment because people were
Speaker 2: always commenting about the female co host's clothes, and he said,
Speaker 2: no one noticed. Wow, the wardrobe people obviously knew of this.
Speaker 2: He wore the same suit every day and not a
Speaker 2: single comment.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm not surprised, but it's interesting that we are
Speaker 1: somehow judged on what we wear.
Speaker 2: And often I think for those bigger ward nights and things,
Speaker 2: I think guys are lucky they put on a suit,
Speaker 2: flat shoes done. But you make an interesting point. Would
Speaker 2: you like that, Anita? Would you like to have less options?
Speaker 1: There are some days where I can't think of what
Speaker 1: to wear, and it would be you know, we had
Speaker 1: this whole thing when we moved here, is that you know,
Speaker 1: the boys had a school uniform here. They didn't have
Speaker 1: one in Canada, and I have such a weird concept
Speaker 1: to us. Oh it's but I've got to say that
Speaker 1: I really I really appreciated that the boys could just
Speaker 1: go and wear the same thing day to day. There
Speaker 1: was no comparison about, you know, who had the great
Speaker 1: sneakers or who had the you know, cool this or that.
Speaker 2: Having teenage girls that would be so hot, it.
Speaker 1: Would be so hard. So I kind of appreciated it.
Speaker 1: But I also, you know, I think sometimes people, you know,
Speaker 1: young people, they hit eighteen, and I think, do they
Speaker 1: know how to dress? Now? Like all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they have this freedom, and do they do they know
Speaker 1: how to put? Maybe that's where the capsule wardrobe came from.
Speaker 2: This was in The Guardian and as a woman called
Speaker 2: Kate Lever, and she said she despairs the limited opportunities
Speaker 2: to look like an absolute mess in public. She sees
Speaker 2: the pressure that women have on them that you can't
Speaker 2: go to the letterbox, that lipstick on, you can't have
Speaker 2: a baby and for the next week look dreadful. You've
Speaker 2: got to get yourself together. Women would blow dry their
Speaker 2: hair just leaving the house, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: And she says, I've seen more than one glamorous one
Speaker 2: on TikTok warn their followers don't go to the gym
Speaker 2: without wearing makeup and a cute outfit in case you
Speaker 2: see your crush.
Speaker 3: Um yeah, and don't get sweaty, and don't obviously don't
Speaker 3: get sweaty, don't work out, Anita, don't work out, but
Speaker 3: she said, the chance to look like an absolute mess.
Speaker 2: The only loophole she has found is when you're walking
Speaker 2: your dog. She has said, with her handsome shit sou
Speaker 2: by her side, I can go out in the most
Speaker 2: unhinged ensembles and no one seems bothered. I'm invisible, I'm untouchable.
Speaker 2: I'm immune to the judgment of others because I'm out
Speaker 2: with my dog, and she says the sort of thing
Speaker 2: she wears. She says, I might step out in a
Speaker 2: pair of fuse linen hair and pants my mum brought
Speaker 2: me in grease that have a hole in the crotch,
Speaker 2: paired with Britney spears, concert memorabilia T shirt, knee high
Speaker 2: shark print compression socks and some old birkenstocks. I might
Speaker 2: be in striped box a shre a tank top and
Speaker 2: no shoes. I might be in my pajama pants tucked
Speaker 2: into gum boots, an old jumper of my dad's et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. She says, I love seeing other old other
Speaker 2: dog walkers. They're in they're outside in stained clothes from
Speaker 2: the previous week's walk, with a dog's dirty prints from men,
Speaker 2: and she says, and no one blinks an eye, no
Speaker 2: one raises their phonomenalsly to film me for an Instagram
Speaker 2: round up of the worst dress strangers. I'm free. I'm
Speaker 2: a mess. I'm just a girl walking her dog.
Speaker 1: Oh I love it.
Speaker 2: But you know you and I go for walks. I'm
Speaker 2: not walking you like a dog and eater, though I
Speaker 2: do bring a spare bag just in case, just in case.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: But on our Saturday or Sunday morning walks, I'm quite
Speaker 2: happy not to wear makeup some morning because I feel
Speaker 2: like I will because I wake up my skin feels
Speaker 2: red and blotchy. But I'm quite happy not to wear
Speaker 2: makeup and just to wear an old tracksuit. But I
Speaker 2: don't think i'd still go out wearing an electric blanket
Speaker 2: and gum boots.
Speaker 1: I do that for you, but I don't think.
Speaker 2: You do either. I don't know if i'd. I love
Speaker 2: the idea of being that free, but I don't think
Speaker 2: I don't think I could be.
Speaker 1: But I also don't have, like, you know, the it
Speaker 1: sounds as though there's like these layers of craziness that
Speaker 1: are going on, and I don't know that I have
Speaker 1: the layers of craziness. You know, the tartan you know,
Speaker 1: the plaid shirts and the and then and then a
Speaker 1: parka and then a you know, like all that stuff
Speaker 1: that goes over and then.
Speaker 2: If you looked hard enough in anyone's wardrobe you'd find something.
Speaker 1: You would you probably would, But yeah, I you know.
Speaker 1: The the question that that comes up for me is
Speaker 1: and I love that this woman is saying, yep, you can,
Speaker 1: you can look as unhinged as you want there, But
Speaker 1: where is that the last basting because we were, you know,
Speaker 1: thinking about what happens with school drop offs, what happens
Speaker 1: with going to the beach, what happens with going like,
Speaker 1: you know, going to a workout. How how where.
Speaker 2: Are those where it's interesting where are the lines? Because
Speaker 2: some schools have had to ask moms not to come
Speaker 2: to the school drop off in your pajamas, saying, for
Speaker 2: the sake of your child, think about how you are dressed,
Speaker 2: not meaning dress up in a PUNSI way because you're
Speaker 2: not wear your pajamas.
Speaker 1: Is the concern that the you know kids are going
Speaker 1: to go and taunt the other kid. You know, I
Speaker 1: think your mom is going to look like you know,
Speaker 1: your mom looks like a you know, you know, homeless
Speaker 1: person or why she why is she dressed like that.
Speaker 2: I think they were saying, you need to have pride
Speaker 2: in yourself so your child a isn't embarrassed. I think
Speaker 2: this is the conversation at the time, and also your
Speaker 2: child learns to have pride in their appearance as well.
Speaker 2: Fair Enough, I think that the school yard is not
Speaker 2: your bedroom. It's pretty much what they were saying. I'm
Speaker 2: at once doing a shopping center promotion and one of
Speaker 2: the women there, I thought she was in fancy dress,
Speaker 2: but she wasn't she This is the middle of the day.
Speaker 2: She had pajamas and she had no mental health issue
Speaker 2: that I could see, and I could be wrong, but
Speaker 2: she was just doing her shopping pajamas, brunch coat and
Speaker 2: hair en'rollers.
Speaker 1: So there's this part of me that says, good on you.
Speaker 2: There cares?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well who cares? And who should care? And is
Speaker 1: it my? Is it me being judgmental? In saying I
Speaker 1: think that you should wear lipstick before you go out
Speaker 1: the door, or is it you know? Is it just
Speaker 1: my you know this? And there should be some standards
Speaker 1: like how do where do you sit on this?
Speaker 2: I tend to agree with you. I would think there
Speaker 2: should be some standards. But really, when I read that
Speaker 2: Guardian article, I thought, who are we to say? Though
Speaker 2: she's saying, really, that's the only place she can get
Speaker 2: away with it now. And you know, they say dance
Speaker 2: like no one's watching. Should we be dressed like no
Speaker 2: one's watching?
Speaker 1: Yet? You know, sometimes when I'm walking around at UNI
Speaker 1: or shopping or whatever, I well see people in their
Speaker 1: pajamas and you know, fuzzy YOUG boots and that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, and I think, I don't know, like there
Speaker 1: is a bit of judgment. I think that if I'm
Speaker 1: absolutely honest, I'm thinking, did you like, is there no
Speaker 1: pride in how you are presenting yourself?
Speaker 2: I don't know these days though, when you say the
Speaker 2: ug boots, there's a designer line of ug boots that
Speaker 2: are probably quite acceptable, track suits that are incredibly acceptable.
Speaker 2: But there is a different level of you looking like
Speaker 2: you just got out of bed. And I think There
Speaker 2: is judgment about that, whether we should or not. I
Speaker 2: think we tend to judge people who look like that.
Speaker 2: You sort of think I've had to get myself together,
Speaker 2: Whether we like it or not, it's easy to judge
Speaker 2: others for that. On another note, I saw a thing
Speaker 2: A woman was saying that she sort of on a
Speaker 2: TikTok that she had a party where she encouraged all
Speaker 2: the girlfriends to wear their quote nowhere to wear it clothes.
Speaker 2: We all forget our pajamas in the cupboards. What about
Speaker 2: the stuff that you have bought when you think I'm
Speaker 2: going to be that person and you never wear it,
Speaker 2: and she's had this party. People turned up in glamorous gowns.
Speaker 2: Someone turned up in a tight fitting outfit that didn't
Speaker 2: quite look any good. Didn't have to didn't have to
Speaker 2: be glamorware. But the stuff that you've bought that you've
Speaker 2: had nowhere to wear it.
Speaker 1: Or did it? Also include things like at one point
Speaker 1: I had I think five bridesmeans gowns stuck in the
Speaker 1: back of my closet that I had worn once. They
Speaker 1: were all like polyester, you know, and in crazy shades
Speaker 1: of you know, apricot Apricott Apricott taffeta.
Speaker 2: You're not going to wear that again.
Speaker 1: You're never going to wear that again unless maybe at
Speaker 1: a party like this.
Speaker 2: So that's a great idea. The sort of stuff though
Speaker 2: that I buy every year. I will buy a dress
Speaker 2: thinking I'm going to be a person this year who
Speaker 2: wears a dress, and I just can't do it. Anything
Speaker 2: that feels tight, like I've got a pair of jeans
Speaker 2: on in a belt. But anything that feels like an
Speaker 2: all like a dress, and it feels like a dress.
Speaker 2: I think most of you know what a dress that's
Speaker 2: sort of one shape all the way, even if it
Speaker 2: fits you to not have it broken up with a
Speaker 2: pair of pants. I can't imagine feeling comfortable wearing that
Speaker 2: you sit down your I think it does. But I
Speaker 2: can wear trousers and things. I just think I'm going
Speaker 2: to be the person that buys a dress. And I've
Speaker 2: got a few dresses, and every time I'm invited to
Speaker 2: a certain event, I think, oh, I'll wear this dress
Speaker 2: I put on. I just don't feel comfortable, just can't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: So you would wear like a skirt and a shirt,
Speaker 1: but not a dress.
Speaker 2: I rarely wear skirts. It's usually pants and things. But
Speaker 2: I could wear a skirt and a shirt, and I
Speaker 2: could wear a dress had a jacket over it. I don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't feel right just wearing a dress. What
Speaker 2: would be the thing in your wardrobe that you would
Speaker 2: think you're nowhere to wear it? Stuff?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I think I've mentioned it before, but there
Speaker 1: was you know, there have been dresses that I have woar,
Speaker 1: that I bought thinking I'm going to be person. Well,
Speaker 1: most of it is that I thinking I'm thinking I'm
Speaker 1: going to grow somehow. I don't know what I'm thinking
Speaker 1: that that I'm going to somehow be tall and well awe,
Speaker 1: and that I'm gonna aware of this, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's often a piece like often addressed that I think
Speaker 1: is going to look great if I was six two,
Speaker 1: and I'm not, and I keep thinking it's going to
Speaker 1: look good on me, and then I keep putting forget
Speaker 1: that you're not six two, and I keep forgetting that, Amanda.
Speaker 2: I buy a variety of beautiful Camilla kaf tans, and
Speaker 2: I just look like a lot of people. On most people,
Speaker 2: they look amazing. On me, I look like I'm an
Speaker 2: eighty year old on the costa del soul and getting
Speaker 2: ready to play shuffleboard or something. How it makes me look.
Speaker 1: Oh, and they're beautiful. They are beautiful clothes. They are amazed,
Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful clothes. And I have I have certainly looked
Speaker 1: at those and I've thought, oh, that would be that
Speaker 1: would be beautiful. I haven't even actually taken the chance
Speaker 1: to take put one on, because I just I think
Speaker 1: I would be so disappointed.
Speaker 2: Well, often go this is the year that this is
Speaker 2: really going to work for me. So I've got a
Speaker 2: number of them in make up. You know, we're talking
Speaker 2: before about when you're walking the dog, you can wear
Speaker 2: stain clients, et cetera. Even if you're sitting at home
Speaker 2: and you put on a jumper or a sweatshirt or something,
Speaker 2: he's got a major stain on it, even a minus stain.
Speaker 2: Do you go out? Who cares? I'm at home?
Speaker 1: You know, No, I cannot do it. And and and
Speaker 1: I remember during COVID when there would be weeks, you know,
Speaker 1: it felt like that I wasn't leaving the house, and
Speaker 1: you know, but and yet I'd be like I'd been
Speaker 1: working from home, and I'd you know, pick up the
Speaker 1: same track suit that i'd worn the day before, and
Speaker 1: if I saw that there was a stain on it,
Speaker 1: I couldn't put it on. I had to, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to have a clean something clean whatever. And
Speaker 1: I and I and I think, if I, if I
Speaker 1: actually think about what I was thinking about it at
Speaker 1: the time, it felt as though there had to be
Speaker 1: some kind of standard for me that if I had,
Speaker 1: you know, fallen belows out that it would have like
Speaker 1: I think I would have fallen in a heap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I'd be the same. Even if
Speaker 2: if I've got pulled something out of the cupboard that's
Speaker 2: a stain on it, chances I'll put it back in
Speaker 2: the cupboard, but I wouldn't wear it. I have standards
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 1: Standard absolutely, somehow the stein is going to go away
Speaker 1: between this time and the next.
Speaker 2: Day you pull it out of the drawer. I was
Speaker 2: walking through the park the other day and the dog
Speaker 2: did it, just a big dribbly poop, one that's almost
Speaker 2: impossible to pick up. But I tried to get it.
Speaker 2: But before I could even get to it, little there
Speaker 2: were two kids in the park, probably about four years old.
Speaker 2: One ran right in front of me and just stood
Speaker 2: in it. Oh, I thought, you've got the whole park.
Speaker 2: And I was with Liam, my son, and we both
Speaker 2: laughed and said, oh, what a fool. And I bent
Speaker 2: down to try and get it, and I smeared my
Speaker 2: entire sleeve in it. The world's really smallest pooh. A
Speaker 2: kid trod in it, and then I smeared it all
Speaker 2: over my sleeve. So in a fit of I had
Speaker 2: to take my jacket off and rub it in the
Speaker 2: grass at the at the park, thinking that that somehow
Speaker 2: would dispel my situation. Did you for me?
Speaker 1: The first thing I would do when I got home
Speaker 1: was just to take it off. I mean, yes, yes, an,
Speaker 1: that's exactly.
Speaker 2: Until next time. A woman I know was a wedding
Speaker 2: photographer and she said, there's some beautiful rocks. It's not
Speaker 2: a beach, but some rocks, and she was getting some
Speaker 2: lovely photos in the park above it, but the groom
Speaker 2: insisted that they head down to the water level to
Speaker 2: get some photos. So the bridebag grudgingly heads down there,
Speaker 2: and of course there's a piece of dog poo that
Speaker 2: she smears all on the bottom of a dress. She
Speaker 2: was in floods of tears. There's no that, there's nothing
Speaker 2: to wipe it up with it's just the photographer and them.
Speaker 2: There's you know, she's trying to say, don't cry, you
Speaker 2: make up, will smear, you know, twenty years later, twenty
Speaker 2: minutes later, who cares. But in that moment, just oh
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 1: You think it's going to be this amazing? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is another part of the same story I think
Speaker 2: as to where how we judge people for what they wear.
Speaker 2: This a woman I follow called the cat Can Cook
Speaker 2: is her site, and I started following her because she
Speaker 2: was a caterer and a cork and great look fabulous food.
Speaker 2: She does other lifestyle things. Now she has been on holidays.
Speaker 2: She lives in Connecticut, I think, and so summer holidays
Speaker 2: and she's posting stuff and she's putting food together or
Speaker 2: discussing this and this, and she's wearing the swimming costume.
Speaker 2: You'll see her from the way start wearing a swimming costume.
Speaker 2: And as she has said, the number of comments she
Speaker 2: got has just appalled her, people saying why are you
Speaker 2: on this site, Instagram or whatever in a swimming costume.
Speaker 2: Your son's friends are at your home. Her son is
Speaker 2: like seven or eight. No, that's just so strong and
Speaker 2: she was so affronted. It wasn't just one comment, a
Speaker 2: whole swaye of them, as if she was trying to
Speaker 2: do some click bait kind of first trap stuff. And
Speaker 2: she said, are you kidding me? It's boiling hot, it's
Speaker 2: summer holidays. I'm filming my life around the pool in
Speaker 2: her own in her own pool, in her own yard,
Speaker 2: wearing a swimming costume. And so in solidarity, a whole
Speaker 2: lot of her followers have posted pictures of themselves, all
Speaker 2: shapes and size, are saying, here, I am standing in
Speaker 2: my garden in my swim in costume. Suck it.
Speaker 1: So wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's interesting, as we were just saying where
Speaker 2: we all draw the line on where we think people's
Speaker 2: standards should be. We're all different.
Speaker 1: I guess, oh absolutely, And I you know, I think
Speaker 1: what I'm taking away from this conversation is I just
Speaker 1: need to be really aware of my own bias about
Speaker 1: you know, somebody does come into the shops and they're
Speaker 1: wearing curlers in their hair, should I care like?
Speaker 2: And dogs who want to sleeve? It can happen, Anita,
Speaker 2: It can happen.
Speaker 1: It can happen, Amanda.
Speaker 2: And also in light of that thing. It's about bride'smaid's
Speaker 2: dresses that don't get worn again. I saw a great
Speaker 2: thing where this woman sent off her wedding dress to
Speaker 2: an artist who puts together extraordinary wall hangings made from
Speaker 2: the bride's dress. So it doesn't look like you've got
Speaker 2: a bright You don't have a wedding dress on your wall.
Speaker 1: It's not framed.
Speaker 2: It's not framed like that. It's a work of art
Speaker 2: that only you would know is actually something that means
Speaker 2: something to you.
Speaker 1: You showed me this and it was this beautiful It
Speaker 1: almost looks like her I'm calling it machrome. You'd call
Speaker 1: it something different. Krahmae, m krahmae.
Speaker 2: Mate.
Speaker 1: But this war hanging and it almost looks as though
Speaker 1: it's like kind of woven with all the parts of
Speaker 1: the really beautiful parts of this dress.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 1: There, it is beautiful. It's beautiful, and it just, you know,
Speaker 1: it reminded me that sometimes upon retirement, men will have
Speaker 1: their other business ties made into like a blanket or
Speaker 1: really while hanging or something. It's I think, which is
Speaker 1: a great idea. It's kind of saying I want to
Speaker 1: honor the you know, the the experience I had as
Speaker 1: a you know, person in the in the workforce.
Speaker 2: But I'm done with ties and would they let the
Speaker 2: dogs sleep on it? Is it that kind of thing
Speaker 2: of you know, I am not that anymore? Or is
Speaker 2: it done respectfully? Both?
Speaker 1: I think it could be both, but I guess it
Speaker 1: depends on how you how you see your work life.
Speaker 2: But it's imagine our wardrobes, Anita. We tried to make
Speaker 2: a macramae or macroma of all these things. We look
Speaker 2: completely unhim.
Speaker 1: We would shall we get to our glimmers, my friend.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's do it.
Speaker 2: My glimmer this week is something, Anita, that you and
Speaker 2: I both have, and I didn't realize just how it
Speaker 2: was until I for a post about it. You and
Speaker 2: I both have rings that are made of fordyte and fordyite.
Speaker 2: We bought them when we're in Canada together.
Speaker 1: We did we were going to go and get these
Speaker 1: beautiful ammonit this kind of fossilized rings when we were
Speaker 1: in bound, but we ended up getting these four to
Speaker 1: eight ones instead.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of all these colored swirls in it.
Speaker 2: And there's a whole exhibit there for fordyite and what
Speaker 2: ford eyed is is. Let me just follow this site
Speaker 2: that tells us here. Fordite, also known as Detroit agate,
Speaker 2: is a man made material made from the layers of
Speaker 2: the automobile of automobile paint which is hardened to be
Speaker 2: cut and polish like a stone. So it used to
Speaker 2: be more black and white, and initially dark and muted
Speaker 2: and neutrals. But over the years in the seventies, more
Speaker 2: colored cars were made. But this is so rare now
Speaker 2: because of the more efficient way they spray the cars.
Speaker 2: This was all from the over spray, wasn't it. It's
Speaker 2: the spray that went onto the walls and hardened, and
Speaker 2: they cut that down and made it into jewelry, and
Speaker 2: it's a limited resource. It's very rare to get it now.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I remember when we went and
Speaker 1: looked at it that the story at the time was
Speaker 1: it was that this it was this guy and when
Speaker 1: they did take it all down, they had to go
Speaker 1: and do it every few years because it would accumulate
Speaker 1: on these walls. Is that the guy thought, oh, this
Speaker 1: is kind of beautiful. I'm going to take it, and
Speaker 1: he brought it into his garage and then just started
Speaker 1: playing with it.
Speaker 2: And polishing it up and the layers of the.
Speaker 1: Color, the colors mine has like yellows and blues and reds, and.
Speaker 2: Like yours, it's sort of blues and greens and purples.
Speaker 2: We'll take photos of our jewelry and put this to
Speaker 2: a company story, but they're just gorgeous and it's so interesting.
Speaker 2: I was throw a sight saying how rare this is Fordite,
Speaker 2: particularly in that context, it sounded like it was going
Speaker 2: to be some rare stone and instead it's this stuff
Speaker 2: from the walls. It's great of the ford factory. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we were both very taken, very what's your glimmer? My
Speaker 2: glimmer is that I recently got back from a trip
Speaker 2: to Ireland and I'd never been there before, and went
Speaker 2: for a conference, but also took the opportunity to do
Speaker 2: a little hiking and a little and we got to
Speaker 2: go and visit with some friends.
Speaker 1: That introduced us initially. That introduced us initially Jackie, who
Speaker 1: you know, and I haven't seen her in years, and
Speaker 1: it was so lovely both to catch up but also
Speaker 1: to see the place that she talked about a lot
Speaker 1: when we knew her when we were all in Australia together,
Speaker 1: and this place called derry Nown where it's just beautiful.
Speaker 1: It is like you would not imagine such a place.
Speaker 1: It was wild and crazy and it yeah, just absolutely glorious.
Speaker 1: So it was so nice to go and get away.
Speaker 2: But also to see that side of her life. She
Speaker 2: spoke so much about darien Anne, but always hilariously. The
Speaker 2: families shared a couple of caravans and the other families
Speaker 2: were all there around the same time. They'd all go
Speaker 2: to the local pub. Everyone wud be singing in the pub.
Speaker 2: She said that if the temperatures got to twenty degrees
Speaker 2: at darien Anne in summer, they say, oh, what a scorcher.
Speaker 2: I should say that when she's living here in Australia.
Speaker 2: But the funny stories and here here, here is you, Anita,
Speaker 2: here is me saying just how beautiful it was. Because
Speaker 2: I didn't quite picture the beauty.
Speaker 1: It was great to kind of put all these places
Speaker 1: with a visual and it was beautiful, and to catch
Speaker 1: up with her family and all that. But it was
Speaker 1: really really lovely to be there. Two.
Speaker 2: I like how you say you're into a conference and
Speaker 2: you don't do the inverted commerce conference. Sure it was
Speaker 2: sure it was a Greek con of course, it was
Speaker 2: that half a you and signed your name in Rackdoff.
Speaker 1: Sure, it was absolutely.
Speaker 2: I know you're more diligent than that.
Speaker 1: It was actually pretty diligent.
Speaker 2: In case your place of work is listening, you are
Speaker 2: very diligent.
Speaker 1: Very diligent, And it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was in Trinity College, which was o. It was
Speaker 1: just what a glorious place it was in Dublin, in
Speaker 1: Dublin to go and see the Book of Kels and
Speaker 1: oh did you conference?
Speaker 2: Good luck to you. Well that's us for this episode.
Speaker 2: Please if we've said anything that has touched a nerve,
Speaker 2: good or bad. You know, do you wear you're staying
Speaker 2: close to the shops letters. Absolutely will see you soon.