Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have seen this. There's
Speaker 1: a list going viral at the moment, and an Australian
Speaker 1: woman going viral at the moment. Fourth said list. Now,
Speaker 1: her name is Ellie Gonzalvez, and she has decided to
Speaker 1: very kindly put a list together of all the reasons
Speaker 1: she does not want to have children. She shared this
Speaker 1: list Now there is one hundred and seventeen hundred and
Speaker 1: eighteen reasons. Some are very serious I shouldn't laugh, and
Speaker 1: some are very funny. But it's gone viral because some
Speaker 1: of them are like the baby could pooh inside you
Speaker 1: like this are some of the reasons that, to be
Speaker 1: cleare the baby could pooh inside and that is a
Speaker 1: valid reason.
Speaker 2: Number thirty six children are noisy. Like There's a lot
Speaker 2: going on in this list. So we've got her to
Speaker 2: join us on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to ask you some questions, Ellie. Welcome
Speaker 1: to the pick up.
Speaker 3: Ellie. Hey, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Ellie, how did you get around to actually putting this
Speaker 1: list together? And why did you release it? Because I
Speaker 1: understand you know, I've always been on the cusp of
Speaker 1: do I don't I want kids? But I've never thought
Speaker 1: I'm going to write every single reason down and release
Speaker 1: it to the public.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, for years people ask me, they're like,
Speaker 3: you know, do you want kids?
Speaker 4: When are you having kids?
Speaker 3: Like literally since I was ten years old. So I
Speaker 3: just ended up writing a full list of all the stupid,
Speaker 3: ridiculous and also serious things down to just hand to
Speaker 3: people now to be like, this is why I'm not
Speaker 3: having kids, and it just seems to go over people's heads.
Speaker 3: And I'm just like, I'm so sick of the question.
Speaker 3: And I think there's such a double standard in terms
Speaker 3: of the response that I get back from people saying
Speaker 3: that I don't want kids instead of saying I do
Speaker 3: want kids, people who are very agreeable, but you know
Speaker 3: when I say that I don't want them, people are
Speaker 3: just like they're like the homophobic parents that the gay
Speaker 3: person comes out to that try to change you, like totally,
Speaker 3: it's very real. They try and convert you. And I
Speaker 3: have no interest in sitting at a barbecue for four
Speaker 3: hours talking to someone about having children.
Speaker 4: It's really funny because no one would ever say to
Speaker 4: someone who says they want kids, wellbably shouldn't. You probably
Speaker 4: should think about that and not having it like that.
Speaker 4: No one ever gets the criticism the opposite way. How
Speaker 4: has the response been to this list? I mean, you
Speaker 4: went very public with it. It's obviously gone viral. How like,
Speaker 4: what has been the feedback?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean like it was never intended to be posted.
Speaker 3: That's what I've said previously. Like a friend of mine
Speaker 3: took my list because he loves it and he doesn't
Speaker 3: want children, and he's like, oh, I got really clucky,
Speaker 3: reverted to the list, and now I don't want kids again.
Speaker 3: I up posting that on my stories, like that screenshot,
Speaker 3: and he thought it was hilarious. And then everyone's like,
Speaker 3: can you send us, like we want to see the list?
Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, well, like let's post it.
Speaker 2: It's real.
Speaker 3: It's like that's why there's just so many things in
Speaker 3: there that's wild. But I just wanted to be completely
Speaker 3: honest and transparent about like all of these actual facts.
Speaker 3: Some people say they're not facts, they're actual facts. Google them,
Speaker 3: look them up.
Speaker 1: But is you'll never have fun again for the rest
Speaker 1: of your existence.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's that. Do you know what
Speaker 3: though subjective? That one's subjective?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Why Laura, can you connect to any of these because
Speaker 2: you're a mum, you've had two kids. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: can you relate to any or my Yeah.
Speaker 4: I read through the list and I was like, pretty
Speaker 4: much ninety nine percent of these I relate to. Still happy,
Speaker 4: I have my kids, love my kids to like so much,
Speaker 4: and I feel like you always have to kind of
Speaker 4: have that caveat. But I'm like, you have to, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: pood myself in front of people, lost all my hair.
Speaker 4: Kids can be rude. I make food and they never
Speaker 4: eat it. I was like, I actually really relate face swelling,
Speaker 4: body swelling. I was like clogged milk ducks, literally everything
Speaker 4: that's on this list. I'm like, I've lift this. How
Speaker 4: am I still here?
Speaker 1: Ellie?
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I just froze my eggs. And I saw this list
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, maybe I should be deef frusted, thosed,
Speaker 1: but like chack them in the bin? H maybe so, well.
Speaker 3: Look at least at least you're well informed. But I
Speaker 3: mean the response to everything was actually really wild. I
Speaker 3: was never expecting it to go as internationally viral as
Speaker 3: what it did. I thought, you know, a couple of
Speaker 3: hundred comments on Instagram. Won't get picked up, but literally
Speaker 3: went everywhere. I think the reason why people are so
Speaker 3: upset is because it's just so honest and real, and
Speaker 3: nobody is used to hearing real honesty these days, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: because everyone is so afraid of being canceled. And I
Speaker 3: think when it comes to this, like having a voice
Speaker 3: and being as confident about what I say and how
Speaker 3: it all comes across, because it's like my reason, it's
Speaker 3: not reasons to not have kids for other people. It's
Speaker 3: just generally my reason.
Speaker 4: Do you know what, You've got one point two million followers,
Speaker 4: and so this obviously spreads so wildly because you have
Speaker 4: that engagement. But I also think, and I say this
Speaker 4: as a mum who's someone who I love being a mum.
Speaker 4: It was never something that I thought I wanted for myself,
Speaker 4: but now that I am a mum, I'm like, this
Speaker 4: is incredible. But I think that it makes a lot
Speaker 4: of people feel maybe a bit insecure about their choices.
Speaker 4: It makes people go like like, oh, well, you're saying
Speaker 4: my life is crap. You know, you're saying my life
Speaker 4: is not is not fun, or that I, you know,
Speaker 4: haven't made the right choices because you wouldn't and it's like,
Speaker 4: we just need to stop taking things so personally, if
Speaker 4: you don't want to have kids, it doesn't in any
Speaker 4: way affect the fact that I've had them and I
Speaker 4: love it, like we can all live very different lives
Speaker 4: and be respectful of each other. For me, being a
Speaker 4: mum's the best thing ever. But there's no part of
Speaker 4: me that wants me to go. You're making the bad decision.
Speaker 4: You're not making the right one for you, because everyone's
Speaker 4: lives are.
Speaker 3: Different, exactly, and I think people also forget it's always
Speaker 3: the people who have kids that say not to have kids.
Speaker 4: So true, being honest with you, we.
Speaker 2: Love it all right, Ellie. Great to have you on
Speaker 2: and keep adding to that list. Post in another year
Speaker 2: and you've got another hundred points on it.
Speaker 3: Oh mate, it's already doubled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine all right on the peak up back after
Speaker 2: this