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Speaker 1: This episode of the Surge is brought to you by Origin,

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Speaker 1: proud partners of Cricket Australia and powering the power Surge

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Speaker 1: in BBL fifteen English going to finish it with a

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Speaker 1: six and it is six and the first in the West.

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Speaker 1: The BBL fifteen is done and dusted and once again

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Speaker 1: West is best. Five time BBL winner. Ashton Turner joins

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Speaker 1: us on the show while Bratson Raisen reflects on a

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Speaker 1: record breaking summer of Big Bash. This is the Surge. Yday, everybody,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Surge. I'm Madam White. It's the

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Speaker 1: final episode of the Surge for this summer and we've

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Speaker 1: got a great episode coming up. As I said, Ashton

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Speaker 1: Turner will join us, the captain of the Perth Scorches

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Speaker 1: and Bratson Aisen to reflect back on not only the

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Speaker 1: final but also the entire tournament six times they won

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Speaker 1: it six times. It is amazing how much success the

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Speaker 1: Perth Scorches have had over the history of the BBL,

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Speaker 1: which we are through now fifteen years. But let's get

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Speaker 1: straight to it. I've got my bright shirt on because

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Speaker 1: Brattener Rayson is our special guest and I think I've

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Speaker 1: outbrighted Brat, which is not easy to do. Brat, welcome,

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Speaker 1: you suddenly have whitey you.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were in a whole part hurricane stop

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Speaker 2: and you just woked up. But now the lighting's changed

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Speaker 2: and you have Perth.

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Speaker 3: Squatchured me this time in terms of brightness you.

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Speaker 2: I know, I have a lot of color on me

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Speaker 2: right now, but none of them quite come up to

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Speaker 2: your level. Just like no other BBO team seems clause

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Speaker 2: enough to where the Perth Squatches sit when it comes

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to Ashton Turner about it a little bit

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Speaker 1: later on, but just your own observations from sort of

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Speaker 1: outside the camp of you know, why are they so good?

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Speaker 1: Why do they keep coming app and just paying this

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Speaker 3: Then they do so many things right?

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Speaker 2: Why the A I think they've always I mean you

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Speaker 2: mean you see some other teams like the Strikers for example,

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Speaker 2: teams who are every two or three seasons there's and

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Speaker 2: not just in terms of personnel, but just the makeup

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Speaker 2: go back in time, they've had the big, fast bowlers,

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Speaker 2: get the best kind of players as well, to an extent,

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Speaker 2: a bit like I would say Chennai Super Kings in

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Speaker 2: also the fact that they play so well at home.

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Speaker 2: Helps that you know, most teams have to play them

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Speaker 2: I mean for the Sixers to have done that twice

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Speaker 3: But they just do that.

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Speaker 2: And most importantly. I think why they just seem to

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Speaker 2: And you know, the last time you and I were

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Speaker 3: But the Scorches just know when to peak. And once

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Speaker 3: it was one more Perth Scotches season, didn't you worry?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so when we came into this season, we felt

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Speaker 2: I said this the last time I was on the surge.

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Speaker 2: It always was presented to us in India as like

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Speaker 3: It had enough of a sprinkling of foreign superstars.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't dominated by foreign players as a lot of

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Speaker 2: It just felt like it got that star power as well.

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Speaker 3: Big season.

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Speaker 1: A tough question for you Brat. We saw a you

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Speaker 1: It really was a shot in the arm to the

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Speaker 2: Always the Australian players. And there's been like a misconception,

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Speaker 2: what makes the IPL the IPL, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, you.

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Speaker 3: The IPO is no quit close to what it is.

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Speaker 2: So I think whenever you're playing, especially in countries like

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Speaker 3: And we saw that, I mean, the level just rows up.

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Speaker 2: Whereas like some of the foreign players we saw, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Chris Jordan's been coming here for many years, but Pakistani

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Speaker 2: And I think there was a sweet moment there and

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Speaker 2: So I think that is the number one priority if

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Speaker 1: So how do they do it? From a schange point

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Speaker 1: got the Test summer and where that sits, and particularly

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Speaker 1: the significance of the Boxing Day Test and then the

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Speaker 1: New Year's Test. I don't think that's moving anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: So how do we get it to a situation where

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Speaker 1: we can get as many of the Australian Test players

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Speaker 3: Two of the better.

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Speaker 2: Batters or two of the great batters of this generation.

441
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Speaker 3: Two back together, you know it.

442
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 2: It reminded me of a very briefly such Intendrial cr

443
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:19,399
Speaker 2: and Ricky Ponting battered together for Mombay Indians. Like you know,

444
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 2: that was like you were like, wait, what obviously This

445
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,399
Speaker 2: isn't anywhere close to that level, but it was a

446
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 2: sign that of what the BBL could become like. Is

447
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 2: Baba the right guy to take it to the next level.

448
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: Probably not, but you got at least a glimpse into

449
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: what it could look like.

450
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Speaker 1: Correct And I think the other part too, Bart. We'll

451
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: move on to other things shortly. To me, this really

452
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: stood out is that as good as it was to

453
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: have Baba here and Shahann Sharafrediu Mohammed Risban, the fact

454
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Speaker 1: that they didn't file like we thought they would as

455
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Speaker 1: cricket fans and they were criticized and that doesn't happen

456
00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: too often when it comes to the legends of Pakistani cricket.

457
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 1: Kind of legitimize the competition. It's like, well, if you're

458
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: going to come plain the BABL, you've actually got to

459
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 1: play well to be respected and to feel like, you know,

460
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: it's not just about turning up and walking out to

461
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: the middle and you've done your job. And I feel

462
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: like that's the maturity of the competition now, because we've

463
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: had plenty of players that have just come along and

464
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: they've well passed their best, but we're just so grateful

465
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: they've wanted to play in the competition. But the maturity

466
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 1: of it now is very much great. That you've come,

467
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: that's fantastic. Now go and perform.

468
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: And we saw that in the APL. I saw it

469
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Speaker 3: firsthand back in the day Whity so IPL two thousand

470
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: and eight. So I was there present.

471
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Speaker 2: I covered from the twenty ninety two thousand and nine

472
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Speaker 2: APL onwards. But I remember joining becoming a journalist during

473
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,239
Speaker 2: the first time at APL, and you there was this

474
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 2: feeling around it for a lot of foreign players back then,

475
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: foreign coaches back then that hey, it's India.

476
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: I mean, this is one country.

477
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 2: Whether you know, whether you're recognizing your own country or not,

478
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: you will be treated like a star. And say, from

479
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 2: say two thousand and eight to around twenty twelve. Why

480
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: I'm not saying the big name players, like the high

481
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: quality players, but there were a lot of players you

482
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: would see just be there, I mean, go through the

483
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: routines and like a lot of shopping bags I would

484
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 2: see because of my office was next door to the

485
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 2: hotel where all the teams would stay in Mumbai. Were like,

486
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: this guy hasn't really done much so far. In the

487
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: IPOs used to be having a gala time. So there

488
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 2: was that hit and giggle kind of feel to some

489
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 2: of the fringe players from overseas. Your auctions were different

490
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: as well, because it was often the owners just like

491
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 2: you know, randomly buying a lot of players. But then

492
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: you saw it change where regardless of how big a

493
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 2: name you were in international cricket, if you didn't have

494
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: a good reason, whether it's the commentators or the other

495
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: pundits around, all your own teammates and your own coaches

496
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: started pulling you up. And you know, some players didn't

497
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: like it. And we've seen a lot of examples of that,

498
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 2: and that is you're so right. That's the sign of

499
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: a maturity of the league that it's not just you know,

500
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: we're not gonna just bring.

501
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: You in just to be that token big name. You

502
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 3: still have to perform, and if you don't fit into

503
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 3: the team's ethos or the ecosystem, then you know you

504
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 3: will be if we will find a way of either

505
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 3: dropping you or you know, other ways of kind of

506
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 3: letting you know that you know, maybe you're not really

507
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 3: pulling pulling your weight and and and that's that's a

508
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 3: great sign. If you are the BBL or if you

509
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: think of the BBL as an entity. Like you said,

510
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 3: that's almost the next step in the evolution of it

511
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 3: becoming that global super power league.

512
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: It's going on from exhibition cricket to legitimate cricket, and

513
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: I think that's a great sign for the competition. Did

514
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: you enjoy watching through the baby out? Was there was

515
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: there a player or two that that stood out that

516
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: if you were on the catch and you're very busy man,

517
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: so you're very rarely on the catch, and I want

518
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 1: to watch.

519
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, and I've been a big fan of

520
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,239
Speaker 2: him and I know, I'm sure you'll jump off you'll

521
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: see it because it's a Victorian.

522
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: Sam Harper is someone like you know.

523
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you heard of Sam Harper the first time

524
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: about his friendship with Will Pekowski right years ago, maybe

525
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: six seven, eight years ago, and he's been that guy.

526
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 2: He's such a popular cricketer as well. I've been fortunate

527
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: to be around the Victorian team a couple of times.

528
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: Everybody likes him and he's he's not I'm sure you

529
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time with him, whidey. He always

530
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: is curious to know about you know, what you're up to,

531
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: and he's a very affable person to start with, and

532
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: to see someone like him who what twelve months ago

533
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 2: was probably not even considered a heavyweight in this format

534
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: in the BBL, even though he's been around for a while,

535
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: to take up a role which is kind of newish

536
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: for him, and you know, in a team that was

537
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: doing well with had other big names, and to run

538
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: with it and to almost and to end the bb

539
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: almost being spoken of as a you don't have a

540
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: second week wicked keeper Australia for the team when you

541
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: work up sport. Could Sam Harper be that guy? I

542
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: think he is a huge stick tick tack and I

543
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: think he's the evolution of Sam Harper was was fun.

544
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: I mentioned Joel Davis earlier. He just has that cheeky

545
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: air to him, doesn't he. I mean to ball at

546
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: the economy or with the economy that he bowled in

547
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: as a left arm spinner in Australian conditions in the

548
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: BBL and crucial runs here.

549
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: And there as well.

550
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 2: He just seems like that classic Ron Jedeja type street

551
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: smart cricketer. I mean, you can give him the ball

552
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 2: at any point, He'll back himself. He backs himself in

553
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 2: the field. He was someone I really enjoyed watching and

554
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: just in terms of maybe even if he didn't have

555
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: a like a big number kind of season, just to

556
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 2: see that Maley Beardman's spell because we've heard a lot

557
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 2: about him, you know, he's been part of a couple

558
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 2: of Australia squads now, but that the pace at which

559
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: he bowled and the impact he had got rid of

560
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: Steve Smith in that game as well, those are the

561
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: kind of spells you not probably not in the moment,

562
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: but two three years from now and like you know,

563
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: Mali Beardman is doing well for Australia at the international

564
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: levelgo like, oh you remember that two overs he bowled

565
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: in that BBL game that stood out? So I think, yeah,

566
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: there were some of those from the I mean, either

567
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: the young or the relatively unknown in terms of the

568
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: global scheme of things performances. But but again, I mean,

569
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: how can you not talk about Pete Siedle and the

570
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: fact that he's bowl one hundred and forty five at

571
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: forty one again going back to I remember watching him

572
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: make his debut in my first year of journalism, going

573
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: back to two thousand and eight, and here he is

574
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: as a fast bawler, still steaming in and having an impact.

575
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: But it was one of those bbls, wasn't it.

576
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: Why there were so many individual performances that really stood out.

577
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: But but yeah, these are certainly. And also the other

578
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: one I would mention is the development of for Connelly.

579
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: And we saw him play a match winning innings for

580
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: Australia in against India which really stood out. But then

581
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: the maturity with this, I mean we were both there

582
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: kind of sketching our heads when he made his Test

583
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: debut in terms of like what role he played in

584
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: that s team. But I do believe very strongly he'll

585
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: be a big I think he'll be integral to Australia's

586
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: plans in India next year for those five Test matches.

587
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 2: I know we're talking twenty cricket, but the fact that

588
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: he is also very much a part of Australia's seaton.

589
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: He work up.

590
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: Squad to see a player who clearly the selectors have

591
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: invested in quite a bit. He had that big moment

592
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago in the BBL Final, but

593
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: to see like him improved year in year out, and

594
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: you will watch as much domestic cricket as anyone else

595
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: in the country. I think was a very pleasing site.

596
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: I mean, there'll be the the Joege Davises of the world,

597
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: but then the Cooper Conleys, who it feels like there's

598
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: focus or there's the spotlight on him every time he

599
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: has the battle ball in his hand, and he stood

600
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: up each time, and to be there once again at

601
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: the end for another BBL winning moment.

602
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: I think those are the players who really stood ugly.

603
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: We spend far too much time watching cricket together because

604
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: I think every one of those players is on my list.

605
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: Cooper Connelly. The one thing I wanted to add with

606
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: Cooper Connelly is that we saw the evolution of Cooper

607
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: last year as someone that could crave the moment with

608
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: the bat. Now this year he didn't have a great

609
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: year with the bat, but we saw him lift with

610
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: the ball. So even if he was he missed out

611
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: with the bat, he didn't sell that right, Give me

612
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: the ball. I want to have the impact on the match.

613
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: You could see that in his body language and I

614
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: think that's why I have such high hopes for him

615
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: at international level as well, because of that fact. He

616
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: doesn't shy away from the big moment and if he

617
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: misses out with one discipline, he'll want to make up

618
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: for it in the other and that's that fierce determination

619
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: that you don't get in a lot of athletes. So

620
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: I love what he's doing. I think you've got to

621
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: add Finnellen to the mix as well. For me, someone

622
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: that he had a poor tournament last year. And I'll

623
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: talk to Ashton Turner about this shortly, but what he

624
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: was able to do, some of the shots that he

625
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: was able to play, and at times on difficult pictures,

626
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: he was doing things that no one else was doing

627
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: in the competition. And it's almost I used the word

628
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: evolution before, but he's almost revolutionizing the way that we

629
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: see batters play, you know, getting on the back foot

630
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: to spinners and getting into a defensive position and being

631
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: able to hear to ninety meter six. Just those sorts

632
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: of things that you look on you're looking on television,

633
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: you're at the game and go, I don't know whether

634
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: I've seen that before, So I think he was someone

635
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: that really stood out to me as well. You talked

636
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: about Peter Siddle. Now I've got I'm going to mention

637
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: this guy's name. His name is Joel Tratt and he

638
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: works at Cricket Victoria in the strength and Conditioning department,

639
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: more the conditioning department. And I did say to him

640
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: the other day, now, Joel, with what you've done with

641
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: Peter Siddle in his forties, you've changed his life. I

642
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: think we need to have a chat. I want you

643
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: to change my life because he's done some miracle things

644
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: with Peter Siddle.

645
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 3: I know, right, just you.

646
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: I mean, there are some players you see, especially since

647
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: the T twenty leagues came around Hydey who you know

648
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: you remember seeing them fifteen twenty years earlier as young.

649
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 2: You know, these greenhorns, like you know, they have this

650
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: extra springs in their stride as they run in and

651
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: do whatever they do. But it's very rare to see

652
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 2: them add a few springs to the astride twenty years on,

653
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: like Peter still has.

654
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 3: It's incredible.

655
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: I mean the fact that I remember when he burst

656
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: onto the scene and you'll know this better than I do,

657
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: he was an express fastbawler.

658
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: I already had that extra speed. I remember.

659
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: That's how he was hyped up when he made a

660
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: stairs debut in India. And to see him kind of

661
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 2: go back to being that Pete sil what with all

662
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,959
Speaker 2: the skills and the wiliness that he has with all

663
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: his experience is remarkable.

664
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Speaker 3: And you're right.

665
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: I mean, as a recently turned forty year old, I

666
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: don't mind a bit of that magic either.

667
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: Through Benjamin Baton action potentially. All right, So before we

668
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: let you go, brat and we really appreciate your time,

669
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: I've got one question for you. Around the nine day

670
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: player movement which actually opens today. There was some talk

671
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: that Clen Maxwell may have left the Stars, which would

672
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: have been huge news if he did. Aaron Finch was

673
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: plaguing potentially going back to Red. There was a big

674
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: offer from the Sydney Thunder as well. It seems like

675
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: the Sydney Thunder are offerings a big deals to everybody.

676
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: Trent Copeland seems to be the busiest man in the

677
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: world at the moment. We still got Zampa English and

678
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: Kawaja are not locked in yet. Again. Talking about the

679
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: BBL and as it starts to move, do you like

680
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,959
Speaker 1: the idea of this sort of player movement window.

681
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: It's so important and we see it in other leagues

682
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 3: as well, and I mean the AFL being the number

683
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 3: one when it comes to that, the fact that you

684
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 3: know you get the grand Final end of September and

685
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 3: then this AFL talk ro all the way up to November.

686
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: Isn't that whiting? I mean again, you know this better

687
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: than I do. It goes on for such a long time,

688
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: so I'm sure. I mean it's crazy to think that

689
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: the BBO will reach that level. But this little bit

690
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: of intrigue because you need that. I mean, you you

691
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: can't stop or you don't want the people to stop

692
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: talking about your league as soon as the last ball

693
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: is bold and maybe just for a couple of days

694
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 2: after that. So even the thought that Maxwell would leave

695
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: the Stars was was understandably massive news. But looks like

696
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: he wants to do the RCB and stick around with

697
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 2: them till till the time they win that illusive title.

698
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 3: But again, Adam.

699
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: Zampa is a huge name right, Like he's not just

700
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: the number one match winner with the ball for Australian

701
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: White ball cricket or twenty cricket as he has been

702
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 2: for so long with as a spinner, but you know

703
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: he is a big name BBL player. I mean, he's

704
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 2: an elite BBL player. So it's good to have that

705
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: intrigue around as well, and you'll see it more and

706
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 2: more as well, I guess when the private investment comes

707
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: in and there are owners and not just you know,

708
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: wise men like Trent Copeland who are running their club

709
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 2: as well as he is. So no, I think it

710
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 2: has to be done. I mean, and it's part of

711
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: modern sport as well, right fighting. I mean, it's there's

712
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 2: only so much that the cricketers can do for you

713
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: in terms of the quality that they present on the field,

714
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: but it's up to Cricket Australia.

715
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: And everyone around it, the media.

716
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: Included, to keep that the hype and the relevance of

717
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: the league going for as long as you can, I

718
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 2: mean eve, whether it's before the start of a season

719
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 2: or definitely at the end of the season. So I

720
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: really like this idea and there'll be many more of

721
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: the sorts coming through in the next few years.

722
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: Before Ashton Turner joins this last question, who's winning next year?

723
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 2: Well, can I be parochial and say, you know, the

724
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: last time I made a prediction like this, South Australia

725
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 2: did win the Shield after twenty nine years, So.

726
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the let's say the Strikers.

727
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I thought this could be the season

728
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: for the Stars, the Sixers looked brilliant one Smith and

729
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 2: st joined them.

730
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 5: But I mean the.

731
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: Strikers will have to make a few things happen. Maybe

732
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: I don't know how he will do it. Maybe Travis

733
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: Head will have to show on. Because you just know

734
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: that if Travis Head starts playing for the Strikers, they

735
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: immediately become a threat. So I'm going to back in

736
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: my mighty South Australians to go all the way and

737
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: understandably get criticized.

738
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 3: For having made that choice for the next few days.

739
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: Oh good, thank you so much for Johnny. It's not

740
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: only today but throughout the course of the babyl We'll

741
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: catch you again very soon.

742
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: Can't wait, Whitey, And the next time I'll try to

743
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: outdo you with a bright show.

744
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: Fantastic. That's a challenge to you. In fact, it's not

745
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: really a challenge. You've got plenty of right downs in

746
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: the wardrobe. Brat sand rays and joining us from his

747
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: home in Adelaide. Next we're heading west because Ashton Turner

748
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: he created history on Sunday night as the Skipper of

749
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: the Scorches.

750
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 5: Seventeen. He's met all this eavening.

751
00:36:55,600 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: He's three beautiful children, Billy pretty and Mayer. Ashton Turner.

752
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm really excited about this. I've said this many times

753
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: on The Surge and other places that Ashton Turner is

754
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: one of the most underrated players in Australian domestic cricket

755
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: and he's now got a resume that is as equal

756
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: to I think anyone currently in Australian domestic cricket. He

757
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: joins us on the Surge Ashton, welcome and congratulations another title.

758
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, hey, guys, thanks very much for having me. It's

759
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 4: certainly it's a really satisfying feeling. It's been a lot

760
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 4: of hard works going into preparing for this big Bash

761
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 4: campaign and then being able to execute throughout six weeks

762
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 4: of the tournament, and to culminate all of that effort

763
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: and intensity with a trophy is a really satisfying feeling.

764
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: It's always hard to compare titles. It's a bit like

765
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: comparing kids. But you've now won three as captain and

766
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: five overall, five of the six you've been part of,

767
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: so you've got a lot to compare when you reflect

768
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: back on it, where's this one rate or where does it?

769
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Where's it stack up?

770
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean each of their own individual characteristics and

771
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 4: reasons why they felt really special to me individually, and

772
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 4: then obviously there's another layer of why they've been satisfying

773
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 4: from a team's perspective. I guess as a young player,

774
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of the time you're worried about

775
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 4: cementing your sporting the team. Are you going to be

776
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 4: in the playing eleven? And you know, I felt like that.

777
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 4: I felt like I was just in the team for

778
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 4: my fifth trophies and worried about performances, and the team's

779
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 4: success was a really nice byproduct of that.

780
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 5: But as I've got older.

781
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 4: And adding a leadership component to that, you know, I'm

782
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 4: certainly becus from he has gone a little bit away

783
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 4: from my own individual game and more towards the team

784
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 4: as a greater entity, and you know, to be able

785
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 4: to contribute to the success of some of my teammates,

786
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 4: you know, part of those strategy meetings, planning meetings. You know,

787
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 4: a lot of time is invested in this group as

788
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: a whole to allowing it to click the way that

789
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 4: it's been able to diss campaign. So the captains who

790
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 4: definitely had a really satisfying component to that, I think

791
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 4: it's difficult to go past big Bash eleven when we

792
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: played the first game in Perth and then we were

793
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 4: locked out of the state for the rest of the campaign.

794
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 4: Then we were able to do it away from home

795
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 4: and we were more or less locked up in a

796
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 4: hotel for a long period of time, And so there

797
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 4: was a reason why that campaign was really satisfying.

798
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 5: Big Bashed.

799
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: Well, it felt like with about four rovers to go,

800
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 4: we'd probably let it slip. So to be able to

801
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 4: then claw that in front of an amazing home crowd

802
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 4: was a really nice feeling. But then this year it

803
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 4: felt like we've had a really solid team and win

804
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 4: us a couple of hiccups, a couple of games were

805
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: to be on us. I felt like we were really

806
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 4: poor and to lose with a ball to spare, two

807
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 4: balls to spare, and three balls to spare, and then

808
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 4: have some dominant performances felt like we were always headed

809
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 4: in the right direction and we have really high expectations

810
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: of ourselves as a group, and to be able to

811
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: live up to those expectations is satisfying for its own reasons.

812
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great summation. And this year was interesting

813
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 1: because even going into the season, it looked a different team,

814
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: particularly from a bowling point of view, with Berendorf heading

815
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: off east and even aj tied it to a lesser extent,

816
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: But you did put a lot of faith in your

817
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: younger bowlers coming through and it did have a different feel.

818
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: But then when the game started being played, particularly in

819
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: the second half of the tournament, it still felt like

820
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: a scorches game. Whenever you turn on the television or

821
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: whenever you it turned up to a match.

822
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, and that's been one of the great

823
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 4: balancing acts for us over the last few years. We've

824
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: had some stalwarts of West Australian cricket, particularly in our

825
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: bowling ranks, and how were we going to future proof

826
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 4: this team. We knew that there was inevitably going to

827
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 4: come a time when we needed to move on and

828
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 4: have a look at some younger players, and we've seen

829
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 4: in domestic cricket Marley's been given some opportunity. We know

830
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,959
Speaker 4: how cricketer he is at the moment and is going

831
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 4: to continue to become in the future.

832
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 5: I think we had really my expectations for Maley.

833
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: I think the one that's really surpassed my expectations anyway,

834
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 4: it was Cooper Connolly and to lose Ashaga the midway

835
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 4: point of the tournament and Cooper to take on the

836
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 4: mantle of our number one spin up to be our

837
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 4: leading wicket take it throughout the tournament. You know, he

838
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 4: just added a lot of flexibility and then also doesn't

839
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 4: get a lot of audits necessarily for his bowling. But

840
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 4: Aarren Hardy to be a top six better as his Cooper,

841
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 4: to be reliably able to get through four over as

842
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 4: if required it selfless gets the job done, you know,

843
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 4: puts the team first and can bol some toughs. I

844
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 4: think that allows the rest of our bowling attack any

845
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 4: Maley to be aggressive when they bowl their overs because

846
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 4: we've got that reliability and it allows us to if

847
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 4: we want to add an extra batter to our unit

848
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 4: and gives us some great flexibility.

849
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: I was going to say that that flexibility. There's not

850
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: too many teams that have one player that can bat

851
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: in the top four and bowl. Now you've got two

852
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: and arguably you could say three at times as well,

853
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: that are batting in the top six but bowl. So

854
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: for you, as a captain, to have that much variation

855
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: and that much versatility in your team must make it

856
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: much easier I'm sure it's sometimes harder as well because

857
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: you've got all these options and what leave it a pull,

858
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: But I just feel that made a big difference to

859
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 1: make up the structure of your team.

860
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, flexibility is the keyword, there, isn't it. When we

861
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 4: went into selection meetings more or less from the point

862
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: where Ashar got injured, you know, he's a walk up

863
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: starter into our first eleven, but take him away. We

864
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 4: had some options and we went with leg spin for

865
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 4: a few games.

866
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 5: We obviously finished with. We opted to the extra ball

867
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 5: speed of Brodie Couch.

868
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 4: We thought that some of the matchups for those particular

869
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 4: games really suited the extra ball speed, so we went

870
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 4: down that path, and to be honest, we seriously at

871
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 4: length discussed Nick Hobson coming in to go a different

872
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 4: balance and adding an extra batter, you know, to come

873
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 4: in eight, which have a specialist batter at eight is

874
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 4: a rare luxury and T twenty cricket, and like you said,

875
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 4: having those tour rounders who are reliably able to get

876
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 4: through their rolevers gave us the opportunity to have that

877
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 4: conversation in the first place. Ultimately we didn't go down

878
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 4: that path, but yeah, the flexibility that the all rounders

879
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 4: provide is it's a nice option.

880
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: I want to go back to Cooper for a second.

881
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: And we're talking about him earlier in the program about

882
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: his want or almost he craves the moment, and we

883
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: saw it last year when he batted, particularly when he

884
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: went up the order. It's almost like he thrived with

885
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 1: that extra responsibility. This year he didn't have as good

886
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: of a year with the bat, but kind of like

887
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: it almost drove his bowling to say, give me the

888
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: ball skip. But I want to have an impact. I

889
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: want to I want to create something for the team.

890
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 1: Just through his body language more than anything else. He

891
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: seems a very very special person as well as a

892
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: very special young cricketer.

893
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, as is the modern game, we're seeing

894
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 4: a lot of kids who are coming through junior cricket

895
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 4: and entering professional cricket who you know, have all aspects

896
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 4: of the game covered.

897
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 5: And Ope's the same.

898
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: He's gone in the field and he sits in on

899
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 4: our leadership meetings.

900
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 5: He's he's got a lot of leadership potential.

901
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 4: He's going to be someone who captain professional cricket teams

902
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 4: in the future. And you're right when you've got four

903
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 4: strings to your bow like that. You know, a law

904
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 4: of averages would suggest that one of those departments is

905
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 4: going to be gone really well, one's probably going to

906
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 4: be struggling. But when you've got four ways to contribute

907
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 4: to a cricket team, you're going to be able to

908
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 4: add so much value. And I think for someone like Cooper,

909
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 4: we've seen him he picked in Australian sides batting at nine.

910
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 4: Playing as bowler, We've seen him play in Australian sides.

911
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 4: Batting in the top six, bowling becomes less of an option,

912
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 4: allows you to play another frontline spinner or two if

913
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: you need to, And you know, we're seeing him at

914
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 4: the top of the order in domestic cricket or in

915
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 4: the top three, And you know, I think that one

916
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 4: of the challenges for players like that that give you

917
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 4: so much versatility. Thinking of Travis Heap like skills being

918
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 4: able to anywhere on the audos, It's sometimes difficult to

919
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 4: find the right place for them because they do have

920
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 4: so many skills. Once you can play quick bowling, once

921
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 4: you can play a moving ball, and you can play

922
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 4: spin well, and you can smack the ball out of

923
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 4: the ground at the back end of an inning ZEP

924
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 4: required and you know, really the guys like that are

925
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 4: only going to add a lot of value to your team.

926
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: You know, Allen and Mitch marsh at the top. I mean,

927
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: we know about Mitch and he's done it forever and

928
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: he's captain of Australia. So I want to focus more,

929
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: probably on Finn with what he was able to do

930
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: for you this tournament, in what he is able to

931
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: set up for everybody else, and just your thoughts on

932
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: watching some of the things that he was able to

933
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: do as captain, but just as a cricketer waiting to bat.

934
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I've seen some of the things that

935
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: he did this summer.

936
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

937
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 4: No, Finn's been a great addition to ours squad. I

938
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 4: remember Josh Engliss was with him in America a couple

939
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 4: of years ago and he called me and said, what

940
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 4: are your thoughts on this? We knew that the rules

941
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 4: had allowing us to pre sign one player and a

942
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 4: multi year deal, and you know, I think we jumped it.

943
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 4: Probably within twenty four hours. We had him locked away

944
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 4: and we knew that he was going to add a

945
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 4: lot of value to our batting. I think that we've

946
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 4: had a lot of success at the Perth Scorches over

947
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 4: a long period of time, but it was probably on

948
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 4: the back of some pretty conservative batting and that was

949
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 4: what worked for us in the early editions of the

950
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 4: Big Bash. But we also knew that the competition and

951
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 4: the game was evolving and we needed to evolve with it,

952
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 4: and that meant that we needed to restructure our batting

953
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 4: and change our batting philosophy really and we knew that

954
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 4: we needed to start to challenge ourselves to push the

955
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 4: boundaries of what we were capable of. And one to

956
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 4: fifty scores that may have been winning a lot of

957
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 4: T twenty games probably needed to be two hundred plus

958
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 4: scores on good batting surfaces. And you're right, Fin and

959
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 4: Mitch have led that. And you always want your overseas

960
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 4: players to add value, and you know that can be

961
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 4: in a number of ways. But then he clearly performed

962
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 4: on the field this year, but the most impressive thing

963
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 4: was what he what he brings to the group off

964
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 4: the field as well. We also saw him personally had

965
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 4: a reasonably challenging campaign last year, but you know, for

966
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 4: him to go away, develop his game come back a

967
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 4: much improved player. We have such unique conditions here in

968
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 4: Perth that it's difficult for anyone, even if you've grown

969
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: up in Perth, to get a handle of the conditions

970
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 4: we faced at the stadium. And you know, for Finn

971
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 4: to now become just about the player of the tournament

972
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 4: in what are really foreign conditions to him, you know,

973
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 4: he's added a lot of value is we're learning off

974
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 4: him as a player.

975
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 5: He's eager to learn. He's a humble, modest guy. He's

976
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 5: always looking to improve.

977
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 4: He works hard, he hits lots of balls behind the scenes,

978
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 4: and you know, we're hopeful that he's got to be

979
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 4: a big part of our future as well.

980
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: David Payne, I don't think he gets the credit he

981
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: should get. I'm sure he does inside the team, but

982
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: what a shrewd pick and what it's probably it's just

983
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: a bowl with Gule and I don't know, he just

984
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: he goes under the raidar. But gee, it was important

985
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: doing the second half of the tournament.

986
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we talk about flexibility and how we're

987
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 4: picking our bowling attack, and we spoke a little bit

988
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 4: about having the extra ball speed going the leg spin option.

989
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 4: We had fingerspin pain he gives us real flexibility because

990
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 4: he's got a unique skill. He can bowler bouncer that

991
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 4: can rush a lot of batters. But then we're seeing

992
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 4: him bowl a really high percentage of off off paste deliveries,

993
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 4: which is causing a lot of players in this competition

994
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 4: and around the world a lot of difficulties. So I mean,

995
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 4: his contribution to our group this year can't be underestimated.

996
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 4: And a little bit a similar time, when ash Guy

997
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 4: went down, we unfortunately lost Joel Paris as well, and

998
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 4: that's about the time that Paine jumped off the plane

999
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 4: having won trophy in the eye of competition. You know,

1000
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 4: he was in good form. I'm straight into our and

1001
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 4: it was a seamless transition from Joel to Painey and

1002
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 4: was a bit lovely to have both of them in

1003
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 4: the same team. And no doubt we will see that

1004
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: in the future at some stage. But like Finn, Painey

1005
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 4: is a really humble guy. He works hard, he's always

1006
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 4: looking to learn and improve, and you know we're able

1007
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 4: to learn and improve by having him around. So to

1008
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 4: be honest, when the Strikers picked him up a couple

1009
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 4: of years ago, we were feelthy because we knew the

1010
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 4: value that he could add to our team and we

1011
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: wanted him back for sure. As the draft laid out,

1012
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: we knew that wasn't going to be possible, and you know,

1013
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 4: we've been in contact. I've been in contact closely with

1014
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 4: him over the last couple of years. I knew that

1015
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 4: it was going to come a point in the future

1016
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 4: when we were going to take him back. To be honest,

1017
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 4: we our as part of our planning for the draft

1018
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 4: as it prepared is we wanted availability and we wanted

1019
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 4: to prioritize that, and there weren't many players who we

1020
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 4: were willing to put up a paddle up for who

1021
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 4: didn't have full availability.

1022
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 5: We knew the.

1023
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 4: Painting was one of those guys, and we were willing

1024
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 4: to forego that availability that we carrished so much, and

1025
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 4: we knew the value that he could play the back

1026
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 4: end of the tournament for us.

1027
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: The leadership. You've got Ashton with you yourself as captain,

1028
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: but then you've got Mitch Marsha's sort of your right

1029
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: hand man, who captain's Australia in this form of the game,

1030
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: and then Adam Voge's with all the success he's had

1031
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: both as a player, but now certainly as a coach.

1032
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: He's trop trophy. Room's looking pretty impressive. What's it like

1033
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: that the three of you working together. I'd love to

1034
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: know what the meetings are like, the discussions are like,

1035
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: because I'd love to be a fly on the wall.

1036
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so fortunate to be in the position I'm

1037
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 4: in and I was probably keep this in house, but

1038
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 4: we're on the party bus.

1039
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 5: Moving between.

1040
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 4: Hospitable established establishments on Monday afternoon and I grabbed the

1041
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 4: mic on the party bus and I said, I thank

1042
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 4: the boy their efforts throughout the year, and said something

1043
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 4: along the lines of, you know, whilst I'm the captain,

1044
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 4: I think it wouldn't be an underestimate to say that

1045
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 4: Mitch has been the leader of this team from before

1046
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 4: the start of the tournament. His energy around the group

1047
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 4: has been amazing. He's really driven the group and I

1048
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 4: think it's pretty easy for someone who's playing so much cricket.

1049
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 4: He's captaining the Australian cricket team across a couple of

1050
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 4: formats at the moment.

1051
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 5: He's got a lot on his plate.

1052
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 4: It'd be pretty easy for him to come back to

1053
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 4: domestic cricket and go through the motions maybe take a

1054
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 4: few shortcuts and not be invested one hundred percent, but

1055
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 4: the opposite couldn't be closer to the truth. He took

1056
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 4: us out over the rottenest on his boat, took the

1057
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 4: whole group out early in the tournament. He's led the energy.

1058
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 4: He sits in all of our planning meetings. He often

1059
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 4: stands at cover while I'm standing at mid off. He's

1060
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 4: a founding board for me, and no doubt, his badding

1061
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 4: towards the back end of the tournament was a big

1062
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 4: part of the reason that we've been able to walk

1063
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 4: away with a trophy. And you add the layer, the

1064
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 4: next layer, which is our coaching staff, and that's led

1065
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 4: by Adam Voges. We make no secret of the fact

1066
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 4: that we feel like weether the best plan, the best

1067
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 4: prepared team in the competition. And that's probably an unfair

1068
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 4: statement because I'm sure all of the other clubs are

1069
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 4: doing their due diligence as well, but at times it

1070
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 4: feels like we can possibly be over preparing. And what

1071
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 4: that does, I hope is that it gives the players

1072
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 4: in our team the confidence that we've done the work.

1073
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 4: And when I ask a bowler at the top of

1074
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 4: their mark to bowler bouncer or to bowl yorker or

1075
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 4: to take a batter. Why that they can trust that

1076
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 4: we've done the planning and there's reason why asking them

1077
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 4: to execute that skill. And the relationship between the leadership

1078
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 4: group individuals within the team so important that I think

1079
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 4: that the trust that we have as a leadership group

1080
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 4: with our players as individuals is a big part of

1081
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 4: the reason that we've had as much success as we've had.

1082
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: I don't mean to embarrass you, but often talk to

1083
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: young cricket leaders around who to model their captaincy on,

1084
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: their leadership on, and often talk about you and your

1085
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: ability to stay calm in such a chaotic world of

1086
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 1: T twenty cricket. I'd love you to sort of expand

1087
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: a little bit on your style leadership, what you think

1088
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 1: makes you a good captain. We've just talked about the

1089
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Speaker 1: people around you, which obviously isis as well, but what

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Speaker 1: makes you a good captain, particularly under pressure, whether it

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Speaker 1: is a situation where you need to get fifty runs

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Speaker 1: off twenty balls, or whether it is you're out in

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Speaker 1: the field trying to defend a small target, particularly as examples.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad it comes across that I'm calm because

1095
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 4: quite often the clogs are spinning pretty quickly eternally. But

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Speaker 4: I mean it's important to me the image that I

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Speaker 4: reflect to my teammates, Like you know, as a young player,

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Speaker 4: what it looks like if you look around and a

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Speaker 4: senior player is looking panicked or stressed, and you know

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Speaker 4: that can pretty quickly rub off on the rest of

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Speaker 4: the group. So I think about that a lot. Now

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Speaker 4: my actions influence the rest of the team. I've got

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Speaker 4: a really fortunate role in this team, and we've got

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Speaker 4: so many experienced players, and I touched on before the

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00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 4: preparation and the planning that goes into I'm preparing for

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Speaker 4: each and every game. But to be honest, we've got

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Speaker 4: individuals who are doing the due diligence as well. They're

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Speaker 4: well planned, well prepared, particularly the senior bowlers in our team.

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Speaker 4: They're really clear on their plans. And more or less,

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Speaker 4: I'm a sounding boarder a lot of time. When I've

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Speaker 4: sensed there's a bit of uncertainty about, you know, a plan,

1112
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Speaker 4: then I can add my two cents and we can

1113
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 4: collaborative fleet come to a decision of what the ball

1114
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 4: is that we're going to execute. And I mean the

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00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 4: other really important part is how you reflect and review games.

1116
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 4: And for me, what's really important is the process that

1117
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 4: we went through. What was the decision making process, How

1118
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 4: did we get to the point where we decided to

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Speaker 4: make that decision? And then, to be honest, if you

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Speaker 4: feel like that you've done the work, you've done the planning,

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Speaker 4: the preparation, you've got good reasoning why you made each

1122
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 4: and every decision, the outcome becomes less important. And you

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Speaker 4: may have done all the planning of preparation, the matchup

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Speaker 4: was right, all was right, and the ball gets it

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Speaker 4: for six or you know, the batter gets out.

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Speaker 5: We can live with that as long as there's a.

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00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 4: Reason and we're not just making it up on the

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Speaker 4: fly and guessing. And that's not to say that we

1129
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 4: can't play the game live and we can be surprised,

1130
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 4: and opposition players are able to bring new skills and

1131
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 4: continue to evolve their games as well. But I think

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Speaker 4: that that reflection and our ability to review games with

1133
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 4: a lot of clarity probably highlight. We had two hundred

1134
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Speaker 4: and fifty seven at the Gabba and had it chase

1135
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 4: down early in the tournament, and that was a frustrating game, right,

1136
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 4: that'd be frustrating for anyone who's involved with that. But

1137
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Speaker 4: we actually sat down after that with the bowling group,

1138
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 4: and we would be pretty easy to pick apart and negatives,

1139
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 4: but actually sat down and for the most part, we

1140
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 4: asked questions and we challenged the bowlers, and I got

1141
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 4: challenge as a leader, why did we bowl this ball

1142
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 4: and then and why didn't we think about this?

1143
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 5: Or how did you come to this decision?

1144
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 4: And more or less, we were actually pretty comfortable with

1145
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 4: a lot of the skills.

1146
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 5: That we tried to execute.

1147
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Speaker 4: Now, you're never going to be perfect, and we learned

1148
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 4: from that game and we evolved, and we felt like

1149
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 4: we became a better team for having that really difficult experience.

1150
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 4: But process of being able to review and reflect I

1151
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 4: think held us instead a good stet later on in

1152
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 4: the tournament.

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00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you think back to that game and

1154
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,080
Speaker 1: then there was Theylli peak six off the last ball

1155
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: and those sorts of things. You had a few setbacks

1156
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 1: along the way, but it tended to happen predominantly in

1157
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: the first half of the tournament. You didn't lose after

1158
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: that game to the Renegades. Did you think that it

1159
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: might not have been your year at any point, considering

1160
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Speaker 1: all the changes that we've spoken about, or because you've

1161
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Speaker 1: come from such a winning culture, it's almost like an

1162
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: expectation that you can compete every year.

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Speaker 4: So I have really high expectations of this group, and

1164
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 4: anything less than a trophy I would have been disappointed

1165
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 4: with this year. Our path that we were going to

1166
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 4: have to take might have looked a little bit different.

1167
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Speaker 5: It might have involved some away finals.

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Speaker 4: When we were one and two, having just lost at

1169
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 4: the Gabbard and we lost to Hobart at home. You know, internally,

1170
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 4: I'd probably thought I knew that we were Jia Richardson

1171
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 4: was going to come back, and knew that Josh English

1172
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 4: was going to come back. We knew that David Payne

1173
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 4: was coming, and we knew that we just hadn't fired

1174
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 4: any shots really and we've been pretty average and we've

1175
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 4: only just lost those games. I sort of thought, if

1176
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 4: we can just somehow I get to four and four

1177
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 4: with a couple of games to go, we feel like

1178
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 4: we'll have a really good playing eleven by that point

1179
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 4: will be okay. As it turned out, we actually played

1180
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 4: better cricket than that and found ourselves with the right

1181
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 4: to host a home final, and to be honest, we

1182
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 4: played some really nice cricket in the across those finals,

1183
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 4: and a lot of the stress was taken out of

1184
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 4: the big moments in big games. But I did think

1185
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 4: that there was a moment We're going to have to

1186
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 4: do it differently. But I had a lot of confidence

1187
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Speaker 4: in our group that we were going to be able

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Speaker 4: to manage the challenges that got thrown at us. And

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Speaker 4: in some way it was nice to have a bit

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Speaker 4: of a reality check early on in the tournament and

1191
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Speaker 4: be able to learn from that, and I knew that

1192
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 4: we were going to be hard to stop.

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Speaker 1: The theme pretty much the entire tournament was that the

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Speaker 1: BBL is back. The quality is high, the interest levels

1195
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: are high, the interest levels are always high over in

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Speaker 1: the West with your team. But as a captain, as

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Speaker 1: a player through the tournament that the winning captain, did

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Speaker 1: you sense that the Bbl's back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a really nice feel around domestic cricket at

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01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 4: the moment, and in particular the Big Bash. So I

1201
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 4: think a lot of hard work's gone into making out

1202
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 4: the competition that it is. But speaking to overseas players

1203
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 4: about their experience, players who have been as local players

1204
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 4: are part of this competition for a long time. It

1205
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 4: feels like it's starting to feel right. The time slots,

1206
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 4: at the length of the tournament, the number of games

1207
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 4: in a lot of respects, the money that's available to

1208
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 4: attract the best players. The health of Australian cricket is

1209
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 4: in a really good place, I think, and I think

1210
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Speaker 4: we're only going to that into to grow and prosper.

1211
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Speaker 4: There's obviously some really big decisions to be made about

1212
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 4: the future of this competition and that's going to that's

1213
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 4: going to be rolled out in the next few months,

1214
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 4: and hopefully that all of the stakeholders involved in those

1215
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 4: big decisions can come to some agreements and you know,

1216
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 4: we're going to see you know what is hopefully as

1217
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 4: crude Australia calling it a supercharged Australian cricket, but really

1218
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 4: on the back of the opportunities that are available for

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Speaker 4: the big Bush.

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Speaker 1: We waited a couple of days to speak to you

1221
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 1: because we wanted to make sure that you had the

1222
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 1: appropriate celebrations. Were they were they fruitful, were they good?

1223
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: And who it was the matter the match?

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Speaker 4: To be honest, we've we had a great time Sunday evening,

1225
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 4: made at.

1226
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 5: The ground until the early hours, and then.

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Speaker 4: It's not lost on us how fortunate we've been, the

1228
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 4: success that we've hard in West Australian cricket over the

1229
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 4: best part of the last decade, and we've had a

1230
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 4: few opportunities to refine what the day after looks like

1231
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 4: and we've got a town to a fine art of them,

1232
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 4: and we tested some of the great establishments in Free

1233
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 4: Metle and we made our way along the coast and

1234
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 4: ended up in Cottoslow. But being able to celebrate the

1235
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 4: success with our teammates, with the wider playing squad, with

1236
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 4: the support staff, the coaching staff, it's a rare opportunity

1237
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 4: that you get everyone together and you really have something

1238
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 4: to celebrate.

1239
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 5: So we certainly did that. We had a great time

1240
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 5: and to.

1241
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,440
Speaker 4: Be honest, us lifting the trophies and the reflections of

1242
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 4: the game are really nice. I think that quite often

1243
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 4: the best memories we had the memories that we've just

1244
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 4: created together. Sometimes they are the memories that are ferished.

1245
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: Congratulations Ashton, it's a stunning achievement for your organization. Six

1246
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: times now you've won the title, many more than anybody else,

1247
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: but The key for you is you've been part of

1248
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: five of those three as captain. It's one of the

1249
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: great records in domestic cricket, in white ball cricket. Congratulations

1250
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: on what you've achieved and your team, and I'm sure

1251
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: we'll be back at the business end again next year.

1252
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Surge.

1253
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 4: Thanks a lot for having me, and well done on

1254
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 4: all of the content you've created throughout the campaign.

1255
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 5: It's been great to tune in.

1256
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate that and I think it gives me an

1257
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: opportunity as we come towards the end of the episode

1258
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: to thank everybody, all the players that have been part

1259
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: of the surge. This is your podcast. This is an

1260
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: opportunity for you to share your philosophies on the game,

1261
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: what happens out on the middle or in the middle.

1262
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: That's why we've created this and all you guys have

1263
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: tipped in, so we really appreciate your involvement as well.

1264
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 5: Well.

1265
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: What a great way to finish the Surge for BBL

1266
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: fifteen to have the winning captain, Ashton Turner from the

1267
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 1: Perth Scorches on the Surge and so many great insights

1268
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: into not only playing the game, but the leadership of

1269
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: the game as well. We hear so much about culture,

1270
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: but to actually have Ashton explain what that all is,

1271
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 1: I thought was a great way to finish another series.

1272
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 1: So that is it from us for today and for

1273
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: the season. But don't forget to make sure you get

1274
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: all the information from the Big Bash app. When it

1275
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 1: comes to player movement. We are going to that player

1276
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: movement window now over the next nine days, so whenever

1277
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: anything happens, you'll be able to get all that information

1278
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 1: from the Big Bash App. So just go to the

1279
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 1: harb and then you get all the information and all

1280
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: the latest updates as you go along. Thank you for

1281
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,360
Speaker 1: being part of what's been a long season, the WBBL

1282
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: and the BBL. But we've had so much fun along

1283
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: the way, and I know that the audience numbers have

1284
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: been significant as well, So I hope you've enjoyed what

1285
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: we've created. As Ashton Turner said, the players like it,

1286
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: so the fans like it as well. I've got a

1287
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: couple of special thank yous. I want to thank Nigel

1288
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: Hunt for his continued support in the surge. He came

1289
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 1: up with the idea with myself a couple of years

1290
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: ago and we've turned it into what I think is

1291
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: a pretty special program, but this year, particularly the efforts

1292
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: of Will Taylor. He's a very passionate man. Will, He's

1293
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: done some amazing things with us through both the WBBL

1294
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: but then along to the BBL as well. His passion,

1295
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: his drive, his work ethic, it wouldn't be possible without

1296
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: his efforts behind the scenes. So to Will a very

1297
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: special thank you, and to all the crew at Roland

1298
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: Studios as well. They've done a great job as well

1299
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: here in their studios here in Melbourne, but also for

1300
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: all the work they do in post production behind the

1301
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Speaker 1: scenes as well. It's a team effort that puts this together.

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Speaker 1: It's not just one person and we really appreciate we've

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Speaker 1: got scorches like team behind the scenes as well. So

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Speaker 1: until next summer, enjoy the winter and we'll be back

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Speaker 1: again next year.