WEBVTT - The Very Public Friendship Breakdown 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:06.000 Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:10.040 hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.880 Amy Torba and coming up on today's show, Mollie Mae 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:18.160 Haig's jacket, Potato Fail, Why some women are swearing off 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.599 men after Trump's reelection, and Our highs and. 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:22.400 Lows of the Week. 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:27.080 But first, Ashy Biens is navigating another public friendship breakdown, 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.640 this time with her podcast co host and fellow influencer 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.400 Kiara Doro, who was known by her Instagram handle Ozzie 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.800 Mum Vlogger. To make matters worse, it comes just days 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.199 after the pair postponed their product launch, Kate, Can You 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:41.920 tell Us More? 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:42.400 Will? 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.360 Ashy and Kiara have hosted the Grow and Glow podcast 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.160 for the last two years. Ironically, the podcast is about 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.960 having raw conversations and finding light in the dark times 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:56.040 and leveling up to be your best self. So back 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.600 in late August this year, they teas that they were 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:01.680 launching a product to get so, they shared a photo 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.800 of themselves with the caption something is coming, and they 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.280 continue dropping clues, even stating that the product or something 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.000 that has never been done before. However, on the day 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:14.840 of the launch. Instead of sharing the product, they announced 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:18.360 the launch was delayed. Ash and Kiara wrote, something has 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.399 come up today and we won't be able to launch 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.920 our new product. We apologize as we know you were 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.920 so excited as are we new date coming soon. As 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:28.000 soon as I saw this pop up, I was like, 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.600 that is bullshit, the fact that it's something has suddenly 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.520 come up. Like they were dropping easter eggs about this 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:36.320 launch in the days leading. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:36.480 Up to it. 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.600 They were pumping it up and suddenly something has come up. 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.000 This reminds me of the Brady Bunch when they're trying 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:43.720 to get out of a date something suddenly. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.440 Maybe maybe they saw that Kick had already released some 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:47.559 kind of hotline and we're. 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:50.440 Like, fuck, this idea is not even new. Also, the 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:54.160 comic sans text written over the top on the announcement, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.760 that is the ugliest text to choose. It's very like 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.680 boomer text. It was a rush job, because normally you 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:03.160 probably go on canvor and produce something a little bit 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.960 more professional. Then came the big unfollowing so on Thursday, 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.040 eagle eyed fans spotted that Ashi and Kiara were no 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.160 longer following each other on Instagram. 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:12.880 Or TikTok. 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:16.600 Now it's clear that Ashi Bynes has actually blocked Kiara 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.440 because content that she used to be in is no 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:23.480 longer on Kiara's Instagram profile. So in terms of the timing, 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.880 it appears the falling out happened on the day of 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:26.919 their product launch. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:27.960 That's very inconvenient. 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.920 Yeah, so Ashy and Kiara were meant to be traveling 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.040 to Brisbane together for a podcast interview and launch of 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:37.400 this product. However, if the Instagram stories had anything to 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.520 go by on that day, it appears they were apart. 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.880 You would think if you had a product that was 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.440 coming out that potentially you've both invested money and time in, 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:50.480 you could just put your differences aside. Like, clearly something 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.800 big has happened here for them to totally pull the 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.639 product launch. And these things happen, especially when you're working 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.440 so closely with someone. I'm sure there's been probably arguments 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:00.240 going on behind the. 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:01.200 Scenes are quite a while. 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:03.080 Why could I see this happening to us if we 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.080 were leasing a product. Well, it hasn't stopped there so 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.800 as she has now announced in the Grow and Glow 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:12.560 Facebook group that Kiara has decided to leave the podcast 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.720 to focus on her family more. This is the official 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.880 messaging so as She described it as a bittersweet time, 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:22.200 but said she respected Kiara's decision and trusts in the 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:25.520 universe's plan for both of them. She also wrote, I 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:28.360 please ask you all to be gentle with us both, 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:31.680 not gossiping or ask any questions. We are both going 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.120 through a lot and stretched emotionally and mentally. Mental health 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.560 is not something to joke about or play around with. 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.960 I have a healing brain aneurysm and a bulging aneurism 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.160 awaiting surgery, and my surgical team has said stress is 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.240 the worst thing for me, and I can't risk my 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.680 health or a rupture. My kids need me, and I've 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.080 got so much more to do in this life. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:52.440 Oh oh, that's horrible. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:54.800 Well, it is horrible and A new episode of the 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:58.240 Grow and Glow podcast also dropped that Friday, entitled an 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:01.320 Announcement the future of Grow and Glow Now. Ashy and 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:05.080 Kiara both appeared in the episode and were cordial, but 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.960 it felt very forced, so ash she threw to Kiara, 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:10.160 who read a statement out. Here's a little bit of 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:11.280 what Kiara said. 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.360 Over the years, it has grown rapidly, which is so exciting, 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.640 but also does make it need a bit more of me, 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.480 especially the next year with doing live events on top 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.159 of already releasing two new episodes a week. I just 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.479 didn't see how I could comfortably fit that inside my 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.640 schedule while running another business, having three little kids, and 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:30.280 showing up as a mum in a way that I'm 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.080 proud of, especially with how much they've been needing me lately. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:35.640 In saying this, I made it loud and clear. I 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:37.760 did not want to hold Grow and Glow back. It 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.080 has had so much potential and I didn't feel like 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.120 it was fair for me to hold not only Ashy back, 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.760 but our producers as well. So this was completely my 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:45.880 choice to part ways. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:50.320 It's interesting that Kiara has backed up Ash's original claims 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:53.200 that she's leaving the podcast purely to focus on her family, 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.720 that there's nothing to see here. Yeah, and then she's 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.880 gone on her Instagram and completely contradicted everything that's been 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.240 put out. So she so she shared her own statement 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.680 on her Instagram story, and she revealed that she was 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.320 feeling exhausted and drained and that she was trying her 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:09.040 best to chill out after a few hectic days, and 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:11.680 she did go along with the official messaging in a sense, 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.560 because she did say it was time to focus on 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.680 her and her family, and she thanked all her followers 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.120 for their love and support, and she said that she 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.400 is one hundred percent fine and will not let this 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:22.720 consume her anymore. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:24.080 But she finished up. 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.760 With I can't say much because I'm already losing so 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.440 much and don't want to lose anymore. But thank you 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.080 and you are so clever with a winking emoji. I 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.560 wonder if she's not saying everything that's happened because she 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:38.640 is worried about Ashe's health, but she doesn't want to 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:40.719 have that on her goll ji. I reckon she's more 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:43.719 bound by some sort of legal contract that says she's 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:46.640 not allowed to speak about her experience with Ashy or 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.840 what actually went down. Yeah, well, a lot of people 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.000 think that she's been slapped with a gag order. Ash 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.440 Binds is known to literally jump to lawyers to send 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.039 out seas and desist letters. Now, this little jibe from 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:00.240 Kiara was just the start. So she went on to 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.720 share cryptic quotes that were very telling. One read, I 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:05.760 no longer see the good in people, I see the 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.039 truth and she added the caption, Lol lucky, I'm a 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.520 strong motherfucker. Another said this year alone has made it 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:15.760 clear to me to not ignore my intuition anymore. If 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.200 I get an off feeling about anything, I'm trusting my 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.800 instincts and removing myself. Too many times I've doubted myself 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.960 just to be proven right in the long run. This 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.520 is just so millennial to be sharing quotes like this. 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.680 She shared another which said narcissis be like, how dare 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.760 you ruin my reputation by telling the truth about the 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.440 things I said and did, and she added the caption 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.000 ba ha ha ha ha. Okay, I'm done for the 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:41.000 day with the crying with laughter emoji now as she 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:43.520 got in on the action too, because she is a millennial, 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.880 she shared a quote that said, you are the greatest 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.520 project you'll ever work on. Restart, rest refocus as many 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.760 times as you need. Well, that one seems to be 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.640 inwards looking, though it doesn't seem to be attacking Kiara though. Yeah, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.320 but it's definitely in reference to this argument that's going on. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:00.520 It's sort of those people that are like, they're so 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.360 above it. I'm so above this drama that I'm focusing 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:07.400 on me, which can be infuriating. Yeah, and even Ash's husband, Steve, 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:10.240 was dropping clues about what was going on behind the scenes. 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:12.679 So he shared a photo of Ashy at the beach 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.760 with the caption the most loyal, giving, kind, good human 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.280 I know, and then tagged Ashy in it. Well, he's 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.240 really trying to defend her. I mean, it would be 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.800 really tough, particularly when your wife is going through such 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:24.520 a terrible time medically. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:24.880 Yeah. 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.760 Well, the podcast listeners were just not buying the messaging 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:29.600 that was put out, and as she had to go 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.480 into damage control in the Facebook group, which Kiara no 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.240 longer is an admin of. So in response to a 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:39.840 listener challenging the messaging, as she replied, I have an 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.800 episode coming out next week also. But the truth is 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.640 what Kiara has said on the podcast, which she also 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.120 didn't want to go into more detail out of respect 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.960 for her family. But it's been a hard process of 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.280 emotions with the changes that has led to disagreements and 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:56.000 upset for both of us. So that was a really 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:57.600 long run on sentence. Yea, I want to point out 0:07:57.680 --> 0:07:59.640 there there's only a full stop just at the end. 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.360 We share a lot, but for our own mental health. 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:06.280 I never want to engage in any online gossip, being trolling, 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.200 or risk anything for our health or reputation. We don't 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.600 need to share everything we are navigating privately. Please read 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.080 this whole post again in respect. We are carrying a 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:18.600 lot as She also responded to a listener saying she 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.960 was shocked by Kiari's behavior. She wrote, never in my 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.920 wildest dreams, but I think she'd ever respond like this 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.280 and encourage hate towards me doing wrong by her when 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.080 it's so far from the truth. I never wanted her 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.800 to leave, cried a lot and respected and supported her decision. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.400 And yes I've found a replacement, but it was from 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.960 her blessing and encouragement to do so. It's interesting that 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:43.760 she's already found a replacement for the podcast. It seems 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.040 like maybe this was on the cards, Maybe she had 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:47.760 someone ready to go behind the scene. 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:48.640 I don't think it was. 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:51.000 On the cards though, because they were set to release 0:08:51.040 --> 0:08:53.280 a product together. Why did you put it out there 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:55.120 if you knew that you were going to replace her 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.480 and bring someone new in, Like it's just drawing attention 0:08:57.559 --> 0:08:59.520 to it. Well, I think that the product launch was 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.200 probably the case for all of this because yes, the 0:09:02.240 --> 0:09:05.280 podcast probably was earning them some sort of small revenue. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.280 I mean I never hear anyone talking about it. I 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.160 don't think it's having the chart, no, So I think 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.199 that they were hoping to cash in on this product. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.240 But when you release a product, do you have to 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:15.040 actually put. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:15.800 In money to it? 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.920 And when money gets involved with friendships, that's when it 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.920 usually turns south. And as we said, ashe Bynes is 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:27.880 known for having quite high profile friendship breakdown. There's been Millie, Sammy, Greddy, 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.839 Nat and now Kiara. It doesn't really look very good 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.320 for ashe Byne. What's the bet that a few of 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.880 these girls might come together and do their own podcast. 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:38.640 That would be a bit of a pot shop. Maybe 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:39.760 that's a new product for them. 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:42.199 Yeah, Well, there was a lot of questions around ashe 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.200 Bynes's friendship with Nat Rowland. Now I saw on tatle 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.600 Life that she has recently confirmed via DM that they 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.160 are no longer friends and haven't been for a long time. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:53.920 So there were quite a few question marks around that relationship. 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:58.439 Do wonder it does look like there is a common denominator? Yeah, allegedly, 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:03.480 but I yes, very much allegedly. I am very interested 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:07.520 to see how this fares, because if Kiara has allegedly 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.160 been slapped with some sort of gag order, she's clearly 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.120 gone against it by putting out those quotes. 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.760 So I wonder if she's. 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.240 Going to come out and say something or we're going 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:19.760 to see her retreat very quick. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:20.880 I think she might retreat. 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.440 I feel like Ash and her team maybe have brought 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:27.480 out the big guns and unfortunately Kiara might be silenced. Well, 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:29.720 it's interesting that she said she's already lost a lot. 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:31.960 I think that is in reference to the podcast, So 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.840 I wonder why Ashi Biens was the one that got 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:35.560 the podcast. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.640 Yeah, that's a good point, this friendship breakdown. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.600 I feel like Ash's podcast would be under her name 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.960 because she's the bigger name. Yeah, well, she definitely is 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.080 the bigger name. I think Kiara only has around one 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:50.000 hundred thousand followers. Ash has over a million. But it's 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:54.120 interesting that this podcast isn't bigger considering she apparently has 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:55.240 such a large audience. 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.360 I think that's what a lot of influencers are finding. 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.560 Though. People may want to follow their lives online and 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:02.480 see their pretty pictures, but people don't necessarily want. 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:03.920 To hear what they have to say. See. 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:07.760 I often think that when an influencer launches a podcast, 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.319 it's actually a true reflection of their level of engagement 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.840 and following because back in the day it was quite. 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.280 Easy to purchase followers. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.720 So some people can have these vanity numbers on social 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.560 media where oh, this person's got a million followers or 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.400 they've got one hundred thousand. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:27.079 Followers, But how many of them are actually real? 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.040 Well, one does spring to mind. I was gonna say 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:31.560 an old friend of the podcast, but not really a 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.240 friend of mine. I know, but yeah, it's funny that 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.120 these big influencers their. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:36.440 Podcasts don't really have any listen. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.920 There's an influencer who her following fluctuates between seven hundred 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.600 thousand to nine hundred thousand, dependent on how many followers 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.840 she seems to have purchase. Yeah, her podcast is never 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:47.240 on the charts. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:49.760 Doesn't make sense funny about that? 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.160 I guarantee you. The Google search data on what is 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:55.880 four B movement spoke to. 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.360 A feminist movement is sweeping the Internet, gaining me millions 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:03.520 of views and hundreds of thousands of likes. Known as 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.840 four B, the movement encourages women to swear off men. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.840 I have seen this all over my few page, and 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.800 it is in response to Donald Trump's victory over Kamala 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.120 Harris in the US election. Now, I had never heard 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:19.240 of this four B movement until last week, but it 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:23.360 actually originated in South Korea in around twenty fifteen, and 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:26.480 it was sparked by inequality in the country. So the 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:30.040 name four B comes from four Korean words which all 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.840 start with B and translate to no marriage, no childbirth, 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.840 no dating, and no sex with men. So it's a 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.480 term that's been co opted by the Internet as a 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:42.880 general phrase for boycotting men. Yeah, and there was such 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:45.960 a huge spike in searchers for four B in the 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:49.240 US following Trump's win, So searchers went up by four 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:53.280 hundred and fifty percent, and many women were also encouraged 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.080 to join the movement. In response to some really gross 0:12:56.120 --> 0:13:00.240 misogynistic tweets which surfaced last week on x they were 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.480 shared by far right wing men celebrating Trump's win. So 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:08.000 one wrote your body, my choice forever, and this disgusting 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.800 phrase has spread like wildfire across the Internet. I was 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.600 just so shocked when the news came through that Donald 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:16.600 Trump was leading and it looked likely that he was 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:20.199 going to win. See, I was upset, but not ultra surprised. 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.760 I just think the Americans, of big bulk of them 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:25.360 are just morons. Well, I think so many women felt 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.560 let down by the results, in particular because reproductive rights 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.760 was such a big issue in this election, and Kamala 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.280 was of course a huge advocate for reproductive freedom. So 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:39.320 it is just so disappointing to see that we had 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.320 such a worthy candidate. 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:41.720 Yeah. 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.520 Well, one US woman, Ashley Pollard, put it really well. 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.559 She told CNN, we have panted and begged for men's 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.120 safety and done all the things that we were supposed 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.160 to do, and they still hate us. So if you're 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.280 going to hate us, then we're going to do what 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.920 we want. Another woman also about on TikTok, no man 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.960 will touch me and I have my rights back, and 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.960 some women are even going as far as shaving their 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.760 heads so they don't appeal to men. But this has 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:11.280 caused some outrage online because many women who suffer from 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.520 alopecia or who are undergone cancer treatment are saying it's 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.400 highly offensive because it's inferring that all bald women are ugly. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.280 Look it's obviously a very sensitive topic. But for me, 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.400 I don't think that the women are saying it's ugly 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.440 to have a bald head. I think what they're doing 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.120 is pushing back on the male gaze. There are women 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.560 who are doing the opposite though, because they're channeling their 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.560 anger into workouts at the gym. So one woman shared 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:36.640 her workout routine and wrote, building my dream body that 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:38.760 no man will touch for the next four years. How 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.360 about the influencers who have been supporting Trump. So I 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.400 saw Mitch Third saying how great it was. I also 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:48.840 saw what a surprise Yeah, Sky Wheatley's partner Lockie Wore, 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.440 who we were celebrating earlier on our podcast, celebrating the 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.080 fact that he had won. Well, even when you look 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.400 at these Aussie influencers who are supporting Trump, they all 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:01.080 kind of push this bro content online and you can 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:04.000 see why so many women are joining the four B 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.760 movement because it's a way of them being able to 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.560 take back control. And there have been so many poles 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.360 that have been released that show just how much support 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.200 Trump has from young men in particular. 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:17.960 And it's not that surprising. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.600 Because Trump did a huge push on the Joe Rogan 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.560 Show He also got a lot of support from the 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:25.640 controversial Nelk Boys, who are very popular with young. 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:26.359 Men on TikTok. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.760 And it seems very clear that Trump targeted these kinds 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:33.240 of young men who just seem angry with the world 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.120 and seem angry with women in general. And it's the 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.600 very far right. Like he is not just the right, 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.320 he is far right. It's not like in Australia where 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.920 Liberal and labor they're kind of the same party with 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:46.000 a few differences. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.560 Like he is really pushing a far right. It's extreme right. 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:53.040 It's extremism, and unfortunately it is going to have a 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.640 massive impact on women. And I can understand, as you said, Amy, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:15:59.040 why they are joining this movement, and it will be 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.160 interesting to see how this continues and what other methods 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.480 women come up with on TikTok to feel united. Let's 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.040 get into our highs and lows of the week. So 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.880 my high of the week was watching UK influencer Molly 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.960 Mayheig and her sister Zoe attempt to purchase jacket potatoes 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:20.000 from a famous TikTok food van called spud Bros. So 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.200 these guys have been showing up on my fa you 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.920 page and they make the most incredible looking jacket potatoes. 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.359 They always have huge lines. 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:28.800 Out the front. 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:32.520 So in Molly's most recent YouTube video, she told her 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:36.000 followers how her manager friend, her sister Zoe and another 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.560 friend had made a pack to go and try the 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:39.720 jacket potatoes. 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:45.440 And it's basically like a van, like a food van, 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.320 where they basically cook the most unbelievable jackie potatoes you've 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.080 ever seen, like with the most insane fuy. So basically 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.000 we're going to go and get a jacket potato. 0:16:56.560 --> 0:17:00.200 Now, spud Bros. Isn't particularly close to Molly. They are 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:03.400 located in Preston, which is just over an hour's drive 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.520 from where Molly lives in Manchester, so it's not like 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:08.440 they were just popping down the road to get a 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.240 jacket potato. Now, Molly and Zoey proceeded to vlog their 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:16.040 car journey down the highway to get these jacket potatoes 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.280 when it hit them that maybe spud Bros. 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:25.560 Wasn't open on a Monday. Let's have a listen. Why 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:27.120 have we not Why have you not checked? 0:17:27.560 --> 0:17:29.080 Hold on, why have we not checked? 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:35.080 Because actually no, I'm blows my mind. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:45.720 Moy shut up, no, no, no, no, nos somy. It 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:50.240 is a Monday as well, so my body's got numb. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:56.520 My body's gone numb. Open open turn till three Monday, 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:02.520 Saturday catering service. So my body just went my legs. Actually, 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.560 I can't feel like on Instagram? 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:08.359 No why not? 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:10.919 I don't want to look like Beggy. I'm just saying, hi, 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.760 are you open to say? It doesn't it's not clear 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:17.280 on the internet, on the tinternet, No, just leave it, kid. 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:20.560 Molly may be any more relatable. I just love that 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.199 she is so famous, particularly in the UK. But he's 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.639 driving down to a fucking spud van. Now. The reason 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.320 this is my high of the week is because I 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:34.440 loved the dedication from Molly and Zoe. They wanted that 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:38.200 spud so bad they still continued to drive to Preston 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.560 just on the off chance that the van might be open. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.119 Let's have a listen to what happened when they rocked 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:46.120 up so embarrassed. 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:51.880 I've given myself theck my life, just the whole thing 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.679 of going for a potato like and it's and it's closed, 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:56.120 it's there at all? 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:57.960 Or is it? Is it not even there? 0:18:58.119 --> 0:18:59.960 I didn't want me to go and run and look 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:06.160 should we go together. I'm really upset, so at least 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:06.760 you put your car. 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.280 Oh only think there's Nando's. 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.280