1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:06,199 Speaker 1: Coming up on today's show, controversial YouTuber l Swift's big announcement, 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Prince Harry accuses his brother Prince William of assault, and 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: Gracie Piscopos New Year's Eve post. Hello and welcome to Outspoken. 4 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: It's your dose of the hottest influencer and pop culture 5 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: news twice a week. I'm Sophie Torbert, and listeners might 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: remember that I reckon it was a few months ago. 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: I said that anyone getting married needs a designated Instagram person. 8 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: So what I mean by that is someone filming all 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: your behind the scenes Instagram stories, so where there it's 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: filming how beautiful the table is, how beautiful the setup is. 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: I said that you needed one K and your wedding 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: is two weeks away now, and I've discovered that there 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: is now a business for this. 14 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: I wonder if someone has listened to this and stolen 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: my idea loose. 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't have it in my budget at the moment, 17 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: so if I may still need you to do it 18 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: for me, Well, there's a woman in the US who 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: has launched this business model because when she got married, 20 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: she really that she had no photos to share instantly, 21 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: so she charges one thy five hundred dollars and she 22 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: takes a soap said all year behind the scenes video. 23 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: She also creates reels and tiktoks for you so you 24 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: don't even have to put your videos together. You could 25 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: just post them twenty four hours later. And also means 26 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: that you post the first lot of videos rather than 27 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: your friends. And we keep talking about how all these 28 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: influencers friends keep beating them to it and posting content 29 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: before them. As someone who has looked up a lot 30 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: of wedding content and followed the hashtag web tok, I 31 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: did wonder how a lot of these brides had time 32 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: to make these tiktoks because there's so many where they're preparing, 33 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, getting their makeup and hair done in the morning, 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: and they're all miming different things on different stages. Or 35 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: there's this one girl, I don't know what her name is, 36 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: but her her voice is quite whispering. It's like I'm today, 37 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: I'm wearing this to my brad little party dinner, and 38 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: I'm wearing. 39 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 2: This to my reception dinner. 40 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: It's all designer clothes, some stuff Soph's going to start posting, 41 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: so bad for me. But I wonder, what do these 42 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: women do after they get married, because their whole TikTok 43 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: brand is the wedding content. And I suppose I then 44 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: have to monopolize on the wedding day and get so 45 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: much content. Maybe talk is next. I feel like I've 46 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: also been told by our hairdresser Kate, that I am 47 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: second in charge, so I'm to look out if anything's 48 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: happening during the day. In terms of your veil, I 49 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: need to remove that for you. I need to make 50 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: sure everyone's hair is looking nice. So I feel very 51 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: proud to have that on's entrusted you and not amy 52 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: with that. None of you corrected me, which I actually 53 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: really appreciate. 54 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: You just were willing to let it slide. 55 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: However, not a single soul on TikTok was willing to 56 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: let it slide. It appears mispronouncing words maybe the key 57 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 1: to TikTok success. A number of influencers have found increased 58 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: engagement on the platform after enraging followers by mispronouncing seemingly 59 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: obvious words. 60 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: So, if this has happened to two of our. 61 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: Favorites, Courtney Mangan and also Anna Poll, what happened with Courtney, Well, 62 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: for those who don't know Courtney is a lifestyle influence 63 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: so who is a Sun's Safety Advocate, and she has 64 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: shed about her experience with melanoma. She also has an 65 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: incredible podcast and quite often creates taste test of videos 66 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: on TikTok, which I really enjoy watching. 67 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: So a couple of. 68 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: Months ago on TikTok, Courtney shared a food hack and 69 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,559 Speaker 1: it involved a chocolate toblerone. Now, it was the pronunciation 70 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: of the word toblerone that really set her followers off. 71 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 2: Here's how she pronounced it. 72 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: So last night I did a taste test of a toblerone. 73 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 1: See I've heard people pronounce it toblerone before. I think 74 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: it may be an English thing because our grandmother, who 75 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: was born in Chelsea, I think she said tom blarone 76 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: and maybe our dad does tell you in laws definitely 77 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: saying tom b loron. 78 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: It sounds like a fancy. 79 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: Way to say toblerone. I saw the video and immediately 80 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: I thought, well, we pronounced toplerone very differently. 81 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 2: But I wasn't offended by. As you said, it's some 82 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 2: people just. 83 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: Say things differently. 84 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: I was a bit said off. 85 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: I love Courtney, but I almost sort of laughed when 86 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: I heard the word toblerone. 87 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: I thought I was sound a cute. It's so cute. 88 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: Now Courtney has nine thousand followers on TikTok, but this 89 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: video has been her most engaged with. So the video 90 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: has over four point five million views, and it received 91 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty six thousand likes and three thousand comments. 92 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: So here's a little taste of some of the comments. 93 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: So the most liked comment was why do you say 94 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: toblerone like that? That had ten thousand likes. Another person 95 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: said don't you ever dare pronounce toberlerone like that? 96 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 2: Again? 97 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: I feel like to Blaron should reach out to Courtney 98 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: and do a sponsorship. I enjoyed Courtney's response this week 99 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: to the toberlerone backlash. Let's have a listen to what 100 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: she said, and other people like, you know, like it's 101 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: a viral video, like that's amazing, But it's not amazing 102 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: because nobody's gonna follow girl who can't pronounce word correctly. 103 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: That's not the kind of account, you go. 104 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: Oh, I like this content follow So it doesn't really 105 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: get me any new followers. 106 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 2: It just gets me people messaging. 107 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: All day telling me how much of a fool I am, 108 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: and I don't. 109 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: Know why, but it's really getting under my skin. It's 110 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: like you see everybody else has said it. 111 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Karen that I've upset your day because I 112 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: didn't pronounce the fucking chocolate correctly. Stop telling me. I 113 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: love that she is still allowing comments to be made 114 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: even though they are rising her up. It reminds me 115 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: of you, Sophie, because you're a bit of a glutton 116 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: for punishment. You're gone read reviews even though you know 117 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: that they're gonna set you off if they're not good. Yeah. 118 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: But I agree. 119 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: With Courtney leaving the comments on because at least it's 120 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: getting her page out there and more views and more engagement. 121 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: That's positive for her. It's coming from a true pr queen. 122 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: I think that we should actually start pronouncing things purposely 123 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: wrong on our TikTok. Apparently it grinds people's gears when 124 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: you guys say MacDonald's wrong. 125 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: Maybe we need to get on. 126 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: TikTok and start filming more of those McDonald's taste tests 127 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: and maybe one will go off if we mispronounce it. Well. 128 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of tiktoker's purposely leave weird things 129 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: in their video so people will comments. 130 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: So I think it's very clever. Well TikToker. 131 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: Anna Paul had a similar experience, except she's been pronouncing 132 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: something correct and everyone else has been getting wrong. So 133 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: she is currently holidaying in Germany visiting her dad's side 134 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: of the family, and in a vold they stopped at 135 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: a petrol station to get some snacks, and of course 136 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: there were plenty of German branded lollies there, so she 137 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: ended up sparking debate of how to pronounce this certain brand. 138 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 2: Let's throw to the clip. Okay, I'm at a table 139 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: full of German people. I have it on my phone. 140 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: How do you pronounce this word right here? Okay? Pass 141 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: it on to the next German person. 142 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: Is that how you say it? Yeah? People, people are 143 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: clowning on me, like the way she says harryball. 144 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 2: Like it's a German. It's a German brand. It's been proven. 145 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: We're at a breakfast table full of Germans. It's Harbo. 146 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: That's how you say it. 147 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: Now. The lollies that Anna's referring to are the German 148 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: made gummy bears are often found in gold packaging. I 149 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: would have pronounced them harry Bow, but I think that's 150 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: just the less classy way of saying it. 151 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: Well, we're German, we should know better. 152 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: I know we should know better talking about our German heritage. 153 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: I remember back a couple of years ago when I 154 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: was working at the thirty six Is. A German guy 155 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 1: was there with one of the players because he'd been 156 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: playing in Germany. And I'd always been told that our 157 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: last name, Torba means dove keeper. So in front of everyone, 158 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: I asked this German guy, what does torber mean? And 159 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: he goes, oh, pigeon. And from then on, Reese has 160 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: been calling me pigeon and also cock pigeon because he 161 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: googled torba and that's what came up. How than do 162 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: cock pigeon works for me? Because I might be a handcock. Yes, 163 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: I want to have an I want to give you 164 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: guys an update because my friend Bianker, she has a 165 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: German exchange student with her, and I said, can you 166 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: please find out if tarber actually means pigeon or not? 167 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: And I have a video of her and she clarifies 168 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: that Torba means dove. 169 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: I think we need to release some doves at your wedding. 170 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: Cake. 171 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: I think that could be very beautiful. 172 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: Maybe we need to get onto Anna Pole and ask 173 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: her in her family. Yeah, that's a good idea for well, 174 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: if we have any German listeners, that could even be better. 175 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: So yeah, please reach out to us and tell us it's. 176 00:07:58,240 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: T a e U B E. 177 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: Now only tell us if it means doff. We don't 178 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: want to hear about the pigeon. I would like to 179 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: get my father back. Prince Harry has shared shocking details 180 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: about an alleged confrontation between him and his brother Prince 181 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: William in London. In twenty nineteen, The Guardian published the 182 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: leaked extract from Harry's highly anticipated autobiography Spare, which is 183 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: set to be released on January tenth. Now this extract 184 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: has made me so excited for the release of. 185 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: The book, Kate. 186 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: What else was said? So? Prince Harry has recounted what 187 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: he describes as a physical attack by his brother Prince 188 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: William that left him with visible injuries to his back. 189 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: Harry said that William wanted to talk to him about 190 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: what he called the whole rolling catastrophe of their relationship 191 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: and struggles with the press. And you would assume, Megan Markle, 192 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: now this conversation took place at Nottingham Cottage, which is 193 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: located in the grounds of Kensington Palace, and Harry said, 194 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 1: when William arrived to talk things through, he was piping hot. 195 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: All I can think about was that target brand, piping 196 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: hot when I've read this well. Apparently, William began complaining 197 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: about Meghan, calling her difficult, rude and abrasive. Harry then 198 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: accused his brother of repeating the press narrative. Now, a 199 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: whole lot of yelling occurred, and Harry accused will of 200 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: acting like an air while will could not understand why 201 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: Harry was not content with being a spare or something 202 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: like rhyming. I was about to say that I feel 203 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: like this narrative has clearly been a saw point for 204 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: both of them growing up and being sisters. I can 205 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: see how upsetting and demeaning it would be to be 206 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: ranked in such a way. Oh, we can tell this 207 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: has been a contentious issue even before Meghan was on 208 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: the scene. Now, William claimed he was trying to help Harry, 209 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: to which Harry responded, are you serious help me now? 210 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: Harry's comments apparently angered William further and he started swearing, 211 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: so Harry retreated to the kitchen. Apparently scared. He then 212 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: gave his brother a glass of water and said, Willie, 213 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: I can't speak to you when you're like this. And 214 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 1: I know this is a very serious scene, but I 215 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: cannot believe he calls him Willie. 216 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: That just blew my mind. 217 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: I can't believe that Prince William's nickname is actually willing. 218 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: It's cute. It must be one of those child w nicknames. 219 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: If it. 220 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 2: Usually the childhood nicknames calm people down. 221 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one going to say, because we call each 222 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: other's silly names and we're trying to calm each other down. Yeah. 223 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: Well it didn't work, so Harry wrote, he sat down 224 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: the water, called me another name, then came at me. 225 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: It all happened so fast, so very fast. He grabbed 226 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: me by the collar, ripping my necklace and knocked me 227 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: to the floor. I landed on my dog's bowl, which 228 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: cracked under my back, the pieces cutting into me. I 229 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: lay there for a moment days, then got to my 230 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: feet and told him to. 231 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: Get out now. 232 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: William left after this fight. Apparently he did return and apologized, 233 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: and when he left for the final time, he called 234 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: over his shoulder, saying, you don't need to tell Meg 235 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: about this. Harry responded, saying, you mean that you attacked me, 236 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 1: and William said, I didn't attack you. Harold another nickname there. 237 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: It does remind me having fights as siblings, how you 238 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: never want your partner or the other partners to know 239 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: about it. 240 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that happens with us all the time. 241 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: Don't tell Brendon, that's right now. Harry revealed that he 242 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: didn't immediately tell Meghan, but called his therapist straight away. 243 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: Meghan did find out though, when she later noticed scrapes 244 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: and bruises on Harry's back. 245 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: So the fight must have been pretty horrendous. 246 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: I have seen some photos that have been floating around 247 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: on Twitter. I don't know how real they are, but 248 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: they're photos showing bruises on Harry's arms. Now, Harry did 249 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: confirm that Megan wasn't surprised by the fight, and she 250 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: wasn't angry. She was just terribly sad that the brothers 251 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: had fallen out in this way. It's interesting when you 252 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: think back to the Netflix doco knowing what we know 253 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: now and then mention that Harry had received a text 254 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: from William following the Oprah interview. So Netflix didn't air 255 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: the contents of the text, but I'm assuming it was 256 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: explosive to even reference it in the first place. See, 257 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: when I saw that bit of the doco, I assumed 258 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: that it was a surprising text in the sense of 259 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: maybe William understood where they were coming from. No, there 260 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: was a whole tone throughout the documentary about William, which 261 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: was kind of surprising, because, if anything, I thought they 262 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: were going to go after Prince Charles. And when you 263 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: look further into the story and the rumors about Prince 264 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: William's affair with close friend Rose Hanbury, I kind of 265 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: see that they wanted to say more but couldn't, And 266 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: I wonder if some of these extra details will be 267 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: mentioned in Harry's book. Well. I also think that they 268 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: were trying to be mindful of not playing the woman 269 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: because usually it's Kate Middleton and also Meghan markle Hill 270 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: pitted against each other when this is actually a family thing. 271 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: It's between the two brothers. Sadly enough now. In another 272 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: leaked extract, Harry recounts in detail about the meeting he 273 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: had with his father and William following Prince Philip's funeral 274 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: in April twenty twenty one, Harry says childs stood between 275 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: his two sons and begged them, saying, please, boys, don't 276 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: make my final years a misery. It's also been reported 277 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: that Harry is unsparing in recounting intensely private scenes and 278 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: conversations with his mother, Princess Diana and his grandmother, Queen Elizabeth, 279 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: in reports I read in terms of how open Harry 280 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: is about conversations between the Royal family. This is in 281 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: relation to Princess Diana's death, So I feel like a 282 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: lot of people are going to be interested to see 283 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: what was actually going on behind the scenes, because at 284 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: the time there was a lot of criticism about how 285 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: the Royal family actually reacted to Princess Diana's death and 286 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: the fact that they didn't come out quick enough, they 287 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: didn't put the flags to half mast. Yes, it was 288 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: a very delayed and cold reaction from the Royal family. 289 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: There have been a lot of questions, of course, as 290 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: to how The Guardian got their hands on this book, 291 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: because there has been stringent security around the book ahead 292 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: of its launch. Publishing sources have said that the arrangements 293 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: were being closely guarded, with deliveries to bookshops scheduled to 294 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: arrive at the very last minute. There's also guarded sites 295 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: around the world which have been secured to house copies 296 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: of the book prior to distribution, and the sophistication of 297 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: this security operation has even been likened to the release 298 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: of the final Harry Potter book. Now. At the time, 299 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: millions of pounds were spent in preventing plots from being 300 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 1: leaked to the media, and it's being reported that a 301 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: very similar logistical operation has been underway around Spare. I 302 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: think it's pretty obvious how The Guardian got the book. 303 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people assume that the book 304 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: was leaked because The Guardian isn't part of the Royal Rota, 305 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: which was heavily talked about during this documentary. I don't 306 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: know if Harry and Meghan personally leaked it, but I'm 307 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: assuming someone from Penguin Random House, which is the publisher, 308 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: may have leaked it because they've paid Harry twenty million 309 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: dollars for a four book deal, and to break even, 310 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: it's been reported that they need to sell one point 311 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: seven million copies. I think these excerpts will have definitely 312 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: wet the appetite of people who maybe were on the 313 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: fence about buying this book. Well, Harry is set to 314 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: Ghana even more interest in the book because he's going 315 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: to appear in an interview in the UK and the 316 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: US this weekend with ITV News and also on CBS 317 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: sixty Minutes. And there have been a few teasers released. 318 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: I've seen them all over TikTok So. In one of 319 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: the clips, Harry says, I would like to get my 320 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: father back. I would like to have my brother back. 321 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: And that's what's at the heart of this. 322 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: This is a really sad story of two brothers who 323 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: have had a massive falling out due to the circumstances 324 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: that they find themselves in. 325 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: It would be an incredibly. 326 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: Difficult life to be to grow up in with, you know, 327 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: particularly because the whole current theme of the book is 328 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: being the spare. But you have to also feel sorry 329 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: for Prince William. He doesn't have an out, He doesn't 330 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: have any sort of platform really where he can air 331 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: his concerns or grievances with Harry because it's not part 332 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: of the Royal protocol. 333 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: They're not allowed to stay. 334 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: But as Harry says, the Royal family's motto is never complaining, 335 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: Never explained. However, Harry said that they do a lot 336 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: of complaining behind the scenes, and this is when they 337 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: start leaking stories to the media. So it's going to 338 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: be interesting to see what stories come out in those 339 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: publications that are connected with the Royal rot Now, on 340 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 1: the fight with Harry and William, what did you think 341 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: about it. I think these accusations of violence are very 342 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: damning to Prince Willim because we have not seen him 343 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: in this light before. He has been the pinup boy 344 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: of the royal family. There's been a lot of discussion 345 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: of oh, let's just skip Prince Charles and let's go 346 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: straight to Prince William, and he really hasn't set a 347 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: foot wrong. A lot of people have come out on 348 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: Twitter and have been sharing screenshots of old articles. So 349 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: there was a friend of Camilla's who apparently came out 350 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: and said that Camilla was shocked by William's temper. So 351 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: whether this is something that's been kept relatively quiet until now, Yeah, 352 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: it's a hard one because I do the claims are 353 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: of course very serious, and it sounds like this fight 354 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: did get out of hand. 355 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 2: I just worry for. 356 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 1: Prince William though, that he can't come back at these 357 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: comments at all. Oh well, it will be interesting to 358 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: see if they make any comments, because they haven't yet 359 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: made any comments regarding the Netflix documentary. It seems like 360 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: they want to stick their head in the sand and 361 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: just pretend it alwaysn't happening. And I'm not trying to 362 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: undermine any of what Harry says at all. I just 363 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: sort of put myself in the position of someone being 364 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: close with my sisters, and sometimes fights or altercations do happen. However, 365 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: this one looks like it was taken a bit too far, 366 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: as you. 367 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 2: Said, So this isn't assault. 368 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: It is something serious, and it is interesting to know 369 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: all that we know now, even seeing the scenes of 370 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: Harry and William reunite at the queen's funeral, it's crazy 371 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: to think that all of this went on behind closed doors. 372 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: And I've seen a lot of people saying it was 373 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: pretty big of Harry not to actually hit back. A 374 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: lot of people have said, well, perhaps this is because 375 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: Harry knew that if he was to assault Prince William 376 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: then he would be framed in the media as flying 377 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: off the handle and having no control. And another person 378 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: pointed out, well, why didn't the media mention anything about 379 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: the visible bruising on Prince Harry. 380 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 2: That's the thing. 381 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: Prince William and Kate Middleton, they have this image of 382 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: being very reserved and resilient and not saying anything and 383 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: not flying off the handle. So now we're seeing this 384 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: totally different side of Prince William. It's harder because I 385 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: can't see a way back to these two brothers getting 386 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: back together. Because Prince Harry did say in this interview 387 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: with sixty Minutes that he would like to have his 388 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: brother back is one thing. This physical altercation taking place, 389 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: it's another thing. Then publishing it for the world to see, 390 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: particularly when Prince William's whole life and his whole duty. 391 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 2: Is becoming keen. 392 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: I think after the Oprah interview it was clear it 393 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: was going to be really difficult for Harry and William 394 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: to be able to reunite. Obviously, we saw scenes of 395 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: them at the funeral. There was headlines about the Fab 396 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: four coming back together when they did their walk about 397 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: ahead of the Queen's funeral. However, behind closed doors, I 398 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,959 Speaker 1: think it was a very different story. 399 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 2: I think a lot of it was just for the public. 400 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, everybody have another baby. Is just for 401 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: I let you all know we're pregnant again. 402 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: UK YouTuber el Swift has announced she and her husband 403 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: Con are expecting their second child Amy. How did they 404 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: make the announcement, Well, they waited until New Year's Day 405 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: to reveal the news on YouTube and Instagram. So the 406 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: YouTube announcement came in the way of a two minute 407 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: video filmed with artsy shots of the couple, their sons, Saint, 408 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: and their two dogs wandering around the beach. So el 409 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 1: Conn and Saint all donned matching neutral tones as they 410 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 1: post happily with one another, and in the video, Saint 411 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: is seen holding ultrasound photos while Lle shows the camera 412 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: her bump. Ellen San are also seen writing baby Swift 413 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: number two in the sand before viewers are shown a 414 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: montage of candid clips of l with the positive pregnancy 415 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: test and the ultrasound scans. The video then goes to 416 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 1: black and Saint is heard saying the words baby. I 417 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: don't know how I felt about this video. I don't 418 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: like it when things are sort of too orchestrated and perfect, 419 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: and when it looks like you've got this professional camera 420 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: operated there making sure everything is great. I know it's 421 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: an influencer, but I feel like a lot of everyday 422 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: people are doing this too. Yeah. I don't really like 423 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: these kind of created announcements for influencers, especially YouTubers, because 424 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: I think their audience is so used to seeing them 425 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: and hearing them talk to the camera that it can 426 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: kind of seem like they're bigger than they are. And 427 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: I think for Elle, I would have much preferred her 428 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: giving the news that she was pregnant to her followers 429 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: directly as in her talking to the camera. And from 430 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: a videography perspective, I thought the intro was way too long. 431 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: There was about one minute ten of them just wandering 432 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: around this beach before we actually saw the ultrasound shot. Yeah, 433 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: and I think the people turn off when the production 434 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: quality is too high. For me, I like watching vlogs 435 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: that seem like real life, and you know, they can 436 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: be a little bit messy, particularly when you're announcing a 437 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: child being born because she's a second time mum. Children 438 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: are messy, They're not perfect. Yes, it's a very exciting moment, 439 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: but no one goes wandering around the beach and neutral 440 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: tones to the baby. And I think as well, it 441 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: was very reminiscent of Molly May's pregnancy announcement. I felt 442 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: like maybe she'd copied it a little bit, but it 443 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: wasn't as high a production value. 444 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 2: There's a big. 445 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: Difference between Molly May and ell Swift though. Yeah, Molly, 446 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: I think she can get away with the very orchestrated, 447 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: very high quality content because very on brand for her. 448 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: She shares a lot about. 449 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: Her beautiful house and beautiful surroundings. Of course, she is 450 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: a YouTuber, so she does talk a lot. 451 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:48,679 Speaker 2: To the camera. 452 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: I think they could also get away with this type 453 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: of announcement because it was actually big news. Molly May 454 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: is one of the UK's largest influences. The fact that 455 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: she and Tommy met on Love Ireland and there only 456 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: twenty three having a baby probably shocked a lot of people, 457 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 1: so to have this high production quality video was actually 458 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: really cool and something that would appear on a lot 459 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: of news website now. On Wednesday, Elle shared more details 460 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: about her pregnancy on YouTube. Elle said her baby news 461 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: was something she'd been wanting to tell her followers for 462 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: a long time, but had decided to keep it offline, 463 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: waiting for the right moment to share now. There had 464 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: been a lot of speculation online that Elle had found 465 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: out she was pregnant on her wedding day, and this 466 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: was confirmed in her vlog. She said she found out 467 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: at seven am on the morning of her wedding after 468 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: taking a pregnancy test in her hotel bathroom because she 469 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: had a feeling she was pregnant and didn't want to 470 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: wait until after the day to do a test, so 471 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: this was on the twentieth of August twenty twenty two. 472 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: Elle shared vision of her finding out the results and 473 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: she was visibly overwhelmed, bursting into tears. The video also 474 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: shows Elle revealing the results to Con after the ceremony, 475 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: so in the YouTube video, l presents Con with the 476 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 1: tests wrapped up in. 477 00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: Black tissue paper. 478 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: Now, it's pretty incredible this baby announcement has remained a 479 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: secret for over four months because Elle actually announced she 480 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: was pregnant at the reception. It's also hard to believe 481 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 1: it's only been a few days since the announcement and 482 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: attention has already turned to baby names. So many are 483 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: convinced that Ellen conn are having another boy. So Elle's 484 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: first son is called Saint seven Swift. So a lot 485 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: of people have been having fun with the baby name 486 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: guesses and they're saying that perhaps the baby's going to 487 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: be called eight or others are speculating that maybe the 488 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: baby will have an s name like Saints, or perhaps 489 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: it will be called Zachary, Noah or Theo, as they 490 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: were names that Ellen conn originally had for Saint God. Well, 491 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: surely they can do a little bit better than Saint 492 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: seven Swift. 493 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: That's such a mouthful. 494 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: Now, a lot of detractors are frustrated at the attention 495 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: that Elle's pregnancy announcement has been getting, so over forty 496 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: four thousand people have liked the announcement on Instagram, while 497 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: People magazine printed an article about the news. So listeners 498 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: of this this podcast will remember that this time last year, 499 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: Elle was involved in a racism scandal after really vile 500 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: tweets that she made in twenty eleven resurfaced online. So 501 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: at the time, Elle was canceled and she lost over 502 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: one hundred thousand followers across Instagram and YouTube, and she 503 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: took a five month break from social media and returned 504 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: again in May twenty twenty two. So many people are 505 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: frustrated that people seem to have forgotten about the racism 506 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: scandal due to this baby news it's sort of what 507 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: we were saying about Chloe and Mitch on a local 508 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: front that you know, they did have a second child. Obviously, 509 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: we're not suggesting people are having children to forget about 510 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: these sort of things, but you know, people love it 511 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,679 Speaker 1: when there's a new baby and it sort of changes 512 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: their brand. Even the fact that Elle is no longer 513 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: going by her maiden name Derby, she has changed it 514 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: to Elle Swift online, so when you search her now, 515 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: those negative articles don't appear. 516 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 517 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: Well, I do think that the way l Darby is 518 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: being celebrated, it's really raised questions about cancel culture and 519 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: is it actually a thing, because I do think that, 520 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, we're quick to throw around terms of people 521 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 1: being canceled, but in this case, Elle's definitely not canceled. 522 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,399 Speaker 1: She's still making money with their brand, She's still getting 523 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: brand deals. We can see that this new baby announce 524 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: has sort of pushed her higher. I mean, People Magazine 525 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: doing something on it. 526 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:20,719 Speaker 2: She's back. 527 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: I don't think people truly are ever canceled, though with 528 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: canceled culture, they just cop a lot of hate for 529 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: a number of months and then sort of slink back 530 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,959 Speaker 1: and resurface. So a lot of people have also used 531 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: New Year's Day to announce their pregnancies. Holly Hagen from 532 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 1: Jeordie Shaw announced that she's expecting a baby in twenty 533 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: twenty three, and also friend of the podcast writer Jesse 534 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: Stevens from MoMA Mia is also expecting a baby with 535 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: her partner, Luca, which is so exciting. What makes this 536 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: even more exciting for those who don't know her fiance, 537 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: Luca is Mia Friedman's son, So I'm really going to 538 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: enjoy hearing more about this pregnancy because Mia is so excited. 539 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: She's made it quite clear that she he wants a grandchild. 540 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: I was just so happy for the couple. It was 541 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: such a beautiful surprise. And I'm really going to enjoy 542 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: following Jesse's journey because as a thirty year old who's 543 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: starting to think about children, I really like seeing people's 544 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: honest and real journeys, and I think that's what we're 545 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: going to get from her. Hello, Angels, how are you 546 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: all doing? 547 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,439 Speaker 2: Welcome to our YouTube channel. 548 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: Gracie Piscopo has taken to Instagram to share a telling 549 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: New Year's photo, just weeks after the arrest of her 550 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: partner Andre Rabello. Who's been charged over his mother's death. Amy, 551 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: what did she share? Well, Gracie shared a series of 552 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: polaroid photos of her and her son Romeo with the 553 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: caption Happy New Year. Now, what's telling about this post 554 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: is that this used to be a tradition for Gracie 555 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: to share polaroid photos with Andre. Yeah, so this has 556 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: been a tradition of her since twenty fifteen, when she 557 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: and Andre first started dating. So there are three photos 558 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, and twenty seventeen of Grace 559 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: and Andre as a couple hugging in the photo. 560 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 2: Then we get to twenty eighteen. 561 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: Where she shares a photo of herself with her barely out. 562 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: She's obviously pregnant in that photo. And then from twenty nineteen, 563 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and twenty twenty one she shared family polaroid photos. 564 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: So it's quite interesting that she has continued this trend. 565 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: Influencer Updates put all of the photos in order to 566 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: show just how weird it is. 567 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 2: That she's sharing these new photos on her own. Well, 568 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: is it. 569 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: Weird or is it sort of going, Look, we're moving on, 570 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: I'm sort of disassociating myself with Andre Well, it sends 571 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: a clear message, doesn't it. It is he's out of 572 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: the picture. Well, yeah, she's trying to remove herself from 573 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: any of the drama involved in this, and you know, legally, 574 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: she's clearly trying. 575 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 2: To move herself away from him too. Exactly. 576 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to see what transpires in 577 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three four Gracie, because it's going to be 578 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,719 Speaker 1: a very challenging year for her, not only because Andre 579 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: is going to be in court facing these very horrific charges, 580 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: but also for her as an influencer. Her income comes 581 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: from brands, and I don't think there's going to be 582 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: a lot of brands that are wanting to associate with 583 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: Gracie because so much is unknown about this case. And 584 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: whether that's fair or it's not fair, it's we can't 585 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: say because we don't know the details around the case. Well, 586 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: I think that's all we've got time for today. Thank 587 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: you so much for listening to another episode of Outspoken. 588 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the traditional land of the 589 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: Ganna people of the Adelaide Planes. We pay respects to 590 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: elders past and present. 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