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Speaker 1: Lest we've been immersing ourselves in the year nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 1: This week we have because it turns forty forty, the

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Speaker 1: forty year celebration of so many things, and we've been

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Speaker 1: to TV Land a couple of times, so we thought

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Speaker 1: we'd go to the World of Sport and a man

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Speaker 1: our guest today is an inaugural legend of Western Australian

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Speaker 1: Football Hall of Fame and inducted into the Coaches section

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Speaker 1: of the Australian Football Hall of Fame in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three. He was a Sandover medallist here in Western Australia,

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Speaker 1: playing for South from Mantle as a teenager, and coach

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Speaker 1: Swan Districts to their third straight Waffle Premiership in nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty four. The Great John Todd joins us. Toddy, good warning, good.

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Speaker 2: Morning morning, how lovely to talk to you, nineteen eighty four,

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Speaker 2: the Big Three, Peter. It was September twenty two, nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty four. What do you remember from that day?

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Speaker 3: John? We're winning the clock back. We are.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we'll never forget forty years. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I could tell a lot of lives and you wouldn't

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Speaker 3: know any different.

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Speaker 1: We wouldn't make it up.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I could make stories up and

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Speaker 3: as we go along. Yeah, eighty four, eighty four long

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Speaker 3: time ago, but that was our third one. And to

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Speaker 3: be quite frank, other those three that we were able

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Speaker 3: to win, I only had eight players left in that

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Speaker 3: third grand sire who played in the three. So it

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Speaker 3: was a good effort by the guys in maybe four

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Speaker 3: tibits to be able to hold up it was.

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Speaker 2: It was great you beat its Fremantle in that third one.

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Speaker 2: I think you beat eas Freemantle in that third one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, were there, They're pretty easy to be.

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Speaker 1: The Sharks fans were happy with that, Hjohn. The club

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Speaker 1: rooms at best, and in those three nights those three

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Speaker 1: successive years, but especially Naughty four must have been winning

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Speaker 1: the third one. That must have gone off there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah the first Look, the first one was the one

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Speaker 3: I can remember, mainly because we hadn't won a premiership

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Speaker 3: for nineteen years. And the other all was just so

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Speaker 3: many people you just couldn't visit another person in and

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Speaker 3: also just to see go and then cry and human

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Speaker 3: so happy, and you know, that's an ever lasting memory

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Speaker 3: for me. Eighty four. Look, they're all happy, but I

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Speaker 3: think they took it for granted a bit Successil. Yeah, yes,

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Speaker 3: they weren't crying on in eighty four, So I said, oh, well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, John, you mentioned how few players you had from

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Speaker 2: that nineteen eighty three team in the nineteen eighty four team,

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Speaker 2: and as part of it was due to retirement, A

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Speaker 2: lot of it was due to people being pinched.

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Speaker 3: By the VFL.

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Speaker 2: Was that a real issue for the Waffle coaches at

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Speaker 2: that time.

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Speaker 3: As it is, both not so many AFL players they

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Speaker 3: were just starting to move from Western Australia to the AFL.

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Speaker 3: But I had a group of young lads who were

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Speaker 3: coming through and they grabbed their opportunity and you know,

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Speaker 3: when you're young and enthusiastic, it just got nothing to

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Speaker 3: lose years go for it, and that's what they did.

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Speaker 3: I think, as a matter of fact that my memory

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Speaker 3: says be right. I think we kicked ten goals in

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Speaker 3: the first quarter and isman kicked in the second quarter

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Speaker 3: they kicked seven or eight, so at halftime there was

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Speaker 3: only about three goal difference. But it takes a lot

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Speaker 3: of energy to catch up when you're let behind, as

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Speaker 3: is you Mamma were, so we knew that if we

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Speaker 3: fly the pressure, they were going to Wilter at some stage,

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Speaker 3: and that's what they did. Yeah, I think I think

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Speaker 3: we end up winning three or four goals, which which

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Speaker 3: which is enough, don't embarrassed?

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Speaker 1: Is like a South Fremantle.

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Speaker 3: A big day. John.

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Speaker 1: I think about that era of Swan District's footing and

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Speaker 1: you had you know, Keith and Phil Knarkle, you had

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Speaker 1: big bad Ron Boucher and Graham Melrose came back from

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Speaker 1: the from the East and I think one of the

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Speaker 1: great leaders in stand You had some wonderful players out there, Richard,

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Speaker 1: I did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, in earlier days, like going back a few

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Speaker 3: we had to change the culture. The culture working great,

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Speaker 3: and I think my memory serves me right. We won

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Speaker 3: five games out of there first fifty. Wow, wasn't it

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Speaker 3: wasn't a good record early and John Cooper was the president.

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Speaker 3: He knew, he knew what we were trying to do,

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Speaker 3: and the players would always go to him, and I

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Speaker 3: know I always knew that they wouldn't get a hearing really,

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Speaker 3: but I think he's saying was I'll give you two

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Speaker 3: clearance is just in case you lose when going out

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Speaker 2: Forty one thousand people attended that nineteen eighty four Grand

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Speaker 2: Final at Subi Over. That is a huge number. A

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Speaker 2: lot of shall we say, generations younger than us just

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Speaker 2: don't realize how all encompassing that waffle was at that time.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it was in fifty In eighty two it was

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Speaker 3: over fifty thousands. Well, so, yeah, were huge. When you

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Speaker 3: look at the replays of that era, Yeah, grand Finals

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Speaker 3: you couldn't even know the person into the ground really,

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Speaker 3: but the atmosphere was great and to be quite frank,

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Speaker 3: I looked at a game the other day. They're doing

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Speaker 3: a documentary for the Archillays, and they brought up the

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Speaker 3: eighty two Grand Final and looked to be quite frank

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Speaker 3: The football was tough, was free flowing, the umpires didn't

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Speaker 3: were playing their positions, which was good to see. And

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Speaker 3: it was quite enjoyable no matter. That's the first time

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Speaker 3: I've seen that game since I retired or left. It

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Speaker 3: was a bit of an eye out and inform me

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Speaker 3: because the tackling was straight, and you know, I just

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Speaker 3: hope they keep the archives somewhere.

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Speaker 1: Totally yes, And the game has changed a lot and

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Speaker 1: not a lot of kicking backwards in defense back then,

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Speaker 1: like they're doing so many sports that the defensive way

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Speaker 1: of holding retaining possession as they do now.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm not sure the rules. I think they've got

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Speaker 3: to go. Oh my muster has to register to go

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Speaker 3: to night Scull to understand the rules. My memory is,

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Speaker 3: oh sorry, go on, John, Yeah, look, no one, it's

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Speaker 3: a bit sad going to the football. You don't see

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Speaker 3: totally foreign to a lot of oldies, me in particular.

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Speaker 3: And it's the younger generation that are going to grow

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Speaker 3: because that's what they're seeing from day one. And if

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Speaker 3: you can run, well you've got a chance. Yeah. So

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Speaker 3: it's more of a running game than it's a physical game,

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Speaker 3: to be quite frank, very physical because the players don't

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Speaker 3: get much joy. And I'm not sure what we're holding

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Speaker 3: the ball in the back. I'm not sure where that

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Speaker 3: because they never pay pay those kicks and they're there

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Speaker 3: of them more jumping on each other and so but

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Speaker 3: still the little the rules have changed, you're just the players.

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Speaker 3: They've got to adapt to it. But I feel for

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Speaker 3: them later on in life because played the sport, you're

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Speaker 3: kind to come out with some some injury that's going

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Speaker 3: to hinder your old age.

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Speaker 1: And we're learning more about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's one of those things that

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Speaker 3: you know, they train now extremely hard through the hot

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Speaker 3: weather that we had prior to Christmas, and they really

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Speaker 3: some of these young kids are only nineteen years of age,

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Speaker 3: and you know, it's a bit a bit difficult for

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Speaker 3: them to adjust out of underage football going into you know, AFL. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's why a lot of them have injuries at the

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Speaker 3: present moment, and some of them have been drafted and

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Speaker 3: haven't played the games age yet. Yeah, so I think

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Speaker 3: they're going to take here of some of the players

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Speaker 2: You've had a couple of not so subtle digs at

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Speaker 2: East Fremantle. I dare say it might be because you've

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Speaker 2: played one hundred and thirty two games for South one

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Speaker 2: the Sandover Medal in your very first season as a

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Speaker 3: Amazing. Well, this gives me a chance to tell you,

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Speaker 3: tell you how good I was.

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Speaker 1: I do it. That's what you hear, John, Come on,

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Speaker 1: we'll hand you to trump at.

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Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, I played one reserves game.

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Speaker 3: I was sixteen years of age and the South Fromanta

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Speaker 3: nineteen the year before. Yeah fifty four. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 3: had a very good only kicked seam of your goals.

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Speaker 3: But that was the start of my career. Next year,

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Speaker 3: so new putting and I was lucky or unlucky for some.

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Speaker 3: But that record my winning at at that age of

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Speaker 3: sixty nine years ago and no one's been able to

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Speaker 1: Moment, phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: That is quite the thing for the archives.

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Speaker 1: The things that big families. Yes, yourself, John, we're talking

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Speaker 1: about an era with incredible footballers and if we've been

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Speaker 1: focusing on eighty four, but I think about turning on

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Speaker 1: the telly on a Sunday after Saturday's games and seeing

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Speaker 1: these great personalities John K. Watson, Mel Brown, the Steve

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Speaker 1: Marsh We only lost a month or so ago. Yourself,

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Speaker 1: Gary Harvel would be posting it was a great time

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Speaker 1: in Yeah great, there was a local foot show, but

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Speaker 1: a great time in w a foot He wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: All these big personalities, Yeah great, And that's what's lacking

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Speaker 3: at the present moment. There's no characters anymore. You're not

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Speaker 3: allowed to be yourself. You know, you can't express yourself

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Speaker 3: Going back in those it was like Boucher, Michael Moss,

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Speaker 3: you know, everyone used to talk about the clash that

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Speaker 3: was coming up. Yeah, Basil Campbell, you know, Morris really

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Speaker 3: you know it was and when you go through that period,

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Speaker 3: like there was four teams who had some great talent

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Speaker 3: and that was issue Man and Cleremont and one district

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Speaker 3: and it was the other one. Yeah, well yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm a memory blockout when in nineteen eighty you know,

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Speaker 3: I felt we had our best team and we didn't win,

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Speaker 3: you know, we got knocked out, knocked over by Southree Mantle.

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Speaker 3: And every time I got the south for Mantle, you know,

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Speaker 3: all those ninety and eighty players come up to me

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Speaker 3: and tell me how great they were, how we they

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Speaker 3: beat this, and I think it's a lot of them

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Speaker 3: are still going on their phone so they're playing rebap. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know I was fortunate enough to playing seven Grand

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Speaker 3: final and I lost one and that was the Southrey Mantle.

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Speaker 3: And when the boys talked to me, I said, look,

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Speaker 3: I afford to give you one in here.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a mean man. John.

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, we could talk.

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Speaker 2: To you all day, but I'm afraid time does not

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Speaker 2: allow us to. But it has been absolutely a joy

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Speaker 2: to catch up with you and our delve back to

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four. Thank you so much for joining us,

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Speaker 2: and thanks for the memories, manch thanks for all the

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Speaker 3: It's great. It's great chat and I wish you well

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Speaker 3: and have a great day.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you, John, John Todd.

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