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Speaker 1: It's the Happy Families podcast. It's the podcast for.

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Speaker 2: The time poor parent who just wants answers Now.

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Speaker 1: The podcast episode that I look for to most every

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Speaker 1: week is the Friday episode. I'll do Better Tomorrow. Kylie

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Speaker 1: and I share what's working and what's not working in

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Speaker 1: our family so that we can be more intentional as parents,

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Speaker 1: and we hope that in so doing and sharing our

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Speaker 1: lives that will offer some inspo that can help your

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Speaker 1: family to function better as well. We are the parents

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Speaker 1: of six daughters. Our oldest has just given us a

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Speaker 1: grand baby. We made the announcement on Monday, but we've

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Speaker 1: been holding out, haven't we, Kylie. There's been some other

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Speaker 1: stuff going on in our home that we haven't.

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Speaker 2: Quite shared yet. Big news, Yeah, yeah, big news. I

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Speaker 2: did allude to this one ten years in the making.

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Speaker 2: Let's make this really clear.

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Speaker 1: Maybe more, But.

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Speaker 2: After some major deliberation, primarily on my part, we have

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Speaker 2: decided to pull the kids out of school.

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Speaker 1: And hopefully people's collective jaws have been put back onto

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Speaker 1: their faces. Maybe this isn't as jaw dropping as we

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Speaker 1: think it is, but we kind of think this is

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Speaker 1: a big deal. The parenting expert has pulled his two

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Speaker 1: youngest kids out of school. We're going to try homeschooling.

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Speaker 1: We have no idea if it's going to work. It

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Speaker 1: could be the worst decision we've ever made. But there's

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Speaker 1: been a lot of conversation over an extended period of

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Speaker 1: time around this, and finally we've decided we'll never know

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Speaker 1: if we don't give it a go.

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Speaker 2: I think that isolation during COVID and the pandemic was

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Speaker 2: a really beautiful eye opener for us as a family,

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Speaker 2: specifically and seeing the engagement in learning that took place,

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Speaker 2: especially with Emily. She was the youngest, so the other

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Speaker 2: girls were on their computers doing distance education style learning,

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Speaker 2: but Emily I chose not to give her that option,

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Speaker 2: So the school just sent home all of the work

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Speaker 2: and then I would extend her from that and she

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Speaker 2: just loved it. Yeah, she's a ridiculously intelligent kid. She

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Speaker 2: has a love of learning, but she also struggles with

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Speaker 2: emotional regulation and with attention span in the classroom because

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Speaker 2: there's so much distraction and so as we've kind of

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Speaker 2: had these discussions on and off now for a number

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Speaker 2: of years, but specifically as Emily has started the school journey,

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Speaker 2: we're just recognizing that in some ways it's actually unfair

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Speaker 2: to expect the school system and a teacher who has

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Speaker 2: a classroom of individual needs to be able to cater

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Speaker 2: specifically to our child's needs. And if they're not able

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Speaker 1: So I want to tread very very gently here, because

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Speaker 1: we have enormous respect for people who are working in

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Speaker 1: the school system, not necessarily an enormous amount of respect

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Speaker 1: for the school system itself. There are some fatal flaws

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Speaker 1: in education, and most educators aware of them and wish

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Speaker 1: that the powers that be would make the decisions that

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Speaker 1: are necessary to cover up those flaws and to improve things.

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Speaker 1: And education is improving over time. But when we think

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Speaker 1: about the stuff that I've written about in the Parenting Revolution,

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Speaker 1: those three basic psychological needs that all of our kids

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Speaker 1: have a need for relationship and relatedness and a sense

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Speaker 1: a sense that they're mastering their environments, and a sense

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Speaker 1: of control or agency choice volition. Some schools do these

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Speaker 1: overwhelmingly Unfortunately for our kids, we've found that their relatedness needs,

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Speaker 1: their sense of belonging, it hasn't been supported brilliantly, partly

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Speaker 1: because of our kids, partly because of school environments and

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Speaker 1: And so we've decided that we feel like we can

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Speaker 2: And we're going too.

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Speaker 1: You look at me funny when I said we can

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Speaker 1: support those needs better at home. We're going to give

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Speaker 1: it a crack, That's all I'm saying. And I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be around Gee whiz. I mean, I work a

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Speaker 1: So that's our first big bit of news. I think

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Speaker 2: I have a feeling that we'll have a plethora of

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Speaker 1: I think there's going to be a new podcast series

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Speaker 1: in this. The Coulsoners do home schooling. Will it work well? Not?

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Speaker 1: We have some friends who tried it, what earlier this

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Speaker 1: even twelve weeks and just said, what a disaster that was.

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Speaker 1: Sent the kids back to school. The kids have never

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Speaker 1: been happier to be at school. The parents have never

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Speaker 1: just wait and see. So that's two big things that

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Speaker 1: Number One, we've become grandparents'. Number two, we've decided that

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Speaker 1: we're going to homeschool the kids. But guess what's more,

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Speaker 2: We've made no qualms about saying that we struggled to

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Speaker 2: do holidays very well. You actually struggled to do holidays

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Speaker 1: That way, just for context, our last holiday went. You've

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Speaker 1: been listening to all of our podcasts from the very beginning,

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Speaker 1: and you've highlighted that this is a theme, like we

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Speaker 1: keep on talking about how much we mess up our holidays,

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Speaker 1: how they don't feel relaxing, how we can never really

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Speaker 2: Well, this time it was my turn to stay home.

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Speaker 1: We've got a brand new grand baby. You've decided to

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Speaker 2: So this is a group holiday. We've just kind of

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Speaker 1: Do a big surfing holiday. That's pretty much what it is.

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Speaker 2: about probably an hour after that phone call, I got

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Speaker 2: you. Your husband has been in an accident and he is

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Speaker 1: Well we should it politely. She didn't just hang up

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Speaker 1: And so it's not that I didn't want you knowing.

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Speaker 2: Well, that would have been seven hours later.

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Speaker 2: Finally found out after scans had been done, that you

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Speaker 1: So over the holidays, because we holidays so well, I

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Speaker 1: miraculous outcome in that because of the nature of these breaks,

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Speaker 1: surfing and bike riding and even well, probably not playing

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Speaker 1: four to six weeks, the bones will heal, not even

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Speaker 1: Like just an incredible, incredible outcome.

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Speaker 2: Well, considering today's podcast is all about how you can

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Speaker 2: be better tomorrow, I'm really interested to hear what you've

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Speaker 1: So you know what I'm actually learning at the moment

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Speaker 2: Does that work for you, I've only been telling you

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Speaker 1: Our old do better tomorrow. Really, the take home message

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Speaker 1: I don't know that there's any huge take home messages.

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Speaker 2: I think there is really think there's some really important

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Speaker 1: The definition of insanity is you keep on doing this

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Speaker 1: this has been an intriguing, compelling, fun, curiosity building conversation

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